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Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of Good Hang. We are very excited about our guest today. It is Kaperland, comedian, writer, actress. And if you know Kate's work, you are obsessed with her. And if you don't know it that well yet, you are going to become obsessed because Kate is here and we are obsessed with her.
And we're going to talk about so many good things today. We are going to talk about, well, Jimmy sweeps. We're going to talk about our obsession with our phone. We're going to talk about how men actually feel about funny women. And we are going to talk about her new comedy special Parmesan, which is on HBO out right now.
And it's so good. And I cannot recommend it enough. Before we get talking to Kate, we always do something on our show where we talk to someone who knows our guest, has a question to give me about our guest. And we are going to talk to another fellow hilarious performer, writer, actor, John Early. You might know John from Search Party.
You might know John from Maddy Secret. And the many various hilarious videos and specials that him and Kate have done together. So let's see if we can get John on the phone or the Zoom. However, we're talking to you, John. Hi.
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You might never really notice and I'm noticing right now how blue those eyes are of yours. Oh, of course. That's really sweet. Well, they are. They are blue eyes.
You're kind of far back. You're kind of far back. You're blue. I'm blue as well. Yeah.
Okay. Well, and I just read somewhere that we should be wearing sunglasses all the time. No. Yes. My...
Because it's, we're more susceptible to the vision. Too. Damage. Sun damage. Eye, sun damaged eyes.
Wow. I have 2020. No offense. Bragg. No, I did not.
You still have 2020. I still do somehow. That's incredible. Thank you. I do not.
I've got reading, glasses for reading and it's going downhill really fast. Kate has reading glasses. You guys can talk about that. John early. It's so good to see you.
I'm so starstruck. You're nuts. I am. John, right back at you. We were watching Vicki with a V and Maddie Secret before we got on.
And we were saying like there are certain people when they portray female characters that it feels like aggressive. Yeah. And you? They're working through something. They're working through something.
And I clearly am too. Well, we all are. It's maybe more coming from some sort of child longing and not necessarily an aggression. No, it feels very nice. Thank you.
It feels very like it just makes me feel nice and safe. It doesn't make me feel weird. Oh my God. Thank God. For people that don't know, you and Kate have created so many works of art together.
And you are like partners, but not partners. You do your own separate things always. But when you come together, there's like the special language. Like there's a comedy language, but it always consists of this very thrilling deep dive into something like it's always really deep and always funny. Thank God.
When did you first meet Kate? So let's talk about that origin story. We first met when I was, I guess we were both like 24, which was last year. And we met, okay, we met basically doing our mutual friends comedy show. And you know, I just had never met someone around my age who was as funny as like my idols.
You know, it was so crazy. I always figured, you know, the people around me were all going to be kind of collectively trying to get to that level. We'll spend our whole lives and we'll always fail. You know, always fall short. But I was like, she is just like right there.
She's already there. She's like already in a Christopher guest movie, you know, in my mind. And that night when we were separating, we were just kind of like, we kind of like set our vows to each other and we were like, let's have us like go to sleep over tomorrow. And we just like started our friendship the next day. We just like knew and I went over to her apartment and we just did not separate really until she moved to LA.
We spent like almost every single day together, every night together. I would literally run out of clothes. I would run out of underwear. And from spending the night at her apartment so much and I would just go to CVS and get a pack of hands. And I'd wear the same shirt and pants every day.
And I would just run out of hands and go get a new pack. And because you're like, there's no way I'm leaving this apartment. I'm not going back to my apartment. And Amy, we slept in the same bed. And we literally in the room was as big as the bed.
Like there was a foot of space on one, two sides of the fort. It was a tough thing to corner, you know. And we would just, we slept like angels. Like that was the first thing we noticed. It was like, we were like, what is this like otherworldly sense of comfort we have with each other that we can share a bed?
I'm sure you've been asked to explain this, but the stuff that you guys did together, how would you explain that type of comedy? If you would have to explain the style of it. I can try, but I'd like to hear what you say. OK. OK, yeah, it is really hard.
Obviously, one thing that we love to do is like, you know, passive aggression. Yes. You know, we love it so much. Why do you love it so much? Why do you?
Why does Kate love it so much? Why do you love it? I mean, I do too. But what do we love about it? Well, I think I think I love it because I come from like the South and which is like a really, you know, you could say the birthplace of passive aggression.
Yes. Like I come from kind of like Protestant world where like that is just in the water. It's just like you don't you don't express your anger. So you have it has to come out another way. I think for Kate, she's a she's been around a lot of authoritative artistic people.
And I think maybe that's where it comes from is like people who speak with a kind of like avant-garde authority or whatever. It's like there's a way that that can be incredibly hostile. You know, while even if you're speaking in this very measured academic way, you know, you're like, and so maybe that's where it comes from for her. Yes. There's like a way in which you guys play around in her new special.
She does in Parmesan, her new special. She does this where you play around with superiority. Yeah. Like that's what you put that code on and take it off. And of course, the other side of that is inferiority always.
Right. It's like, and I think that if we're playing people who and this is, I think actually Kate's specialty is like this, this like the foolishness of like authority and, you know, yeah, pretentiousness. That's so well said. I hope so. The certainty part is so real because especially like in today's culture, like we're surrounded by experts.
It's so intense. And I really, I think it's time for Kate to kind of like seize her phone as like the great imitator of those things. She really can like what's so crazy about working with her is like, I mean, it's like, it's awful for me because it's like, I'm like a cross from her. I'm like, cool, I have nothing. I'm like, I'm just like, how do you, I'm always shocked.
I'm very sorry, but I disagree. I feel like I'm going to say right here, John, that your volley is, it is like, Agassi and Sampras. I believe they played together. I hope they did. But it is that back and forth is.
It is Federer and Nadal. Thank you. Excuse me. Well, you'll notice that I'm always, I'm like, always screaming. Yeah, well, louder is funnier.
Well, I think she's also, and I'm sure you'll get into it minute one, but you know, she's an only child. Oh, yes. And so there's like, there is such a, the only child has to like entertain themselves in the mirror, you know, right. And, and she comes, you know, artist father, like, you know, she was around these very, at a very young age. I mean, she was like under the table, you know, as like, with all these like kind of very, like genius, LA modern artists, abstract artists, probably having incredibly pretentious.
And decipherable, illegible conversations, you know. And so I think she literally learned before she was like even conscious, she learned how to like imitate just like absorb those sounds and like, to, in order to participate because she was bored. Yes. Okay. Do you have a question for Kate today?
Anything you think I should ask her? I have a few that you should pick from. Okay, great. Like some of them are just, they're kind of inside jokes. Great.
Perfect. But I actually think if you get into them, they will be deep. Fantastic. They'll be generative. Okay.
So one is, do you miss Paris? Fantastic. Do you miss Paris? And one is, do you think you're funny? Incredible.
In Kate's special, she goes deep on this idea that comedy isn't funny and it's incredible because I agree. Yes, it's not funny. And also this is like, this is something that we make ourselves laugh very, very hard. We'll just like, if it's like suddenly a silence falls, like there's like a lull in the conversation, I'll be like, do you think you're funny? And like, and then we'll try to answer, she'll do it back to me.
Like, do you think you're funny? And then I'll be like, do you think I'm funny? And then we're like, can I be honest? It's a favorite, it's a favorite intro. Fantastic.
Like it's an intro, but if you actually ask her something good to cook about, one is how are the kids? Perfect questions. One is related to the special, so are you gay or what? Yep, we're going to get into it. Hopefully Kate really talks about how she's gay.
I guess that's the way to put it. Yep. Okay, great. Are you gay or what? The final one is shoes on or off.
Shoes on or off? Like as a host. These questions are incredible. And did you get my email about Kate's enough fly zones? No.
I'm going to look. Good to know. I'm going to look at it right now. Good. Thank you for that.
Thank you. She doesn't have a manager. No one will represent her. So I've taken it on as for doing a special. Thank you for that.
Yeah, that's important to see. And thank you for building everything and all caps. I appreciate it. Bye, John. Bye, y'all.
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We got fast now. Is there who? We got to get you in frame. We cannot speak unless we're in frame. We're all like, don't go past.
You look amazing. There were lipsticks in the green room. Yeah. And I thought I was like, God, this is so classy. Like, everyone who comes, you got this huge box of lipsticks and I'm going, I'm looking at the colors and then I asked and they were like, oh, yeah, Jennifer Lawrence left those.
Few, few months back. Yeah. And so you've had months of guests who look at that and go, I'm fine. I don't engage in that. I look at it.
I already texted to my mother and my partner and I'm like, we made it. And I'm taking home. Actually, now you have to because you've touched all of them. They were unused. Like, oh, well, this is definitely a gift.
It's a promotional gift. It is absolutely a gift now. You're taking all of those lipsticks out. Anything free. Kait, we're landing here.
Kait, on the drive over here. I just want to give you a compliment. I'm going to give you a minute. I received them while. I'm not one of these.
Okay. No, I'm like, please. Okay. Driving over here, I was filled with glee because I was like, this conversation is going to be so fun. So funny.
So deep. I love seeing you and never get to. And like, this is a chance to just actually hang out with you. I loved your special. I watched it last night.
Thank you. It's so good. Thank you. You're welcome. Because I don't always watch all of the things.
I was doing dishes last night and I go, by the way, she's not going to watch and I was fine. I know she's so busy. Sometimes I was like, I can't get to it. You know I love you. I couldn't watch her.
I would have been like, of course you have so much to do. The media that you're too much. I couldn't wait to watch it. All of us watch it. I love it.
But more than that, you are this giant brain avant guard interesting artist who is also warm and nice. It's hard to find those two things. Sometimes people are like really nice but maybe not adventurous in their art. And sometimes people are like really prickly sharp, interesting artists who maybe don't want to talk. You to me are like the perfect combination of those two things.
You talk about things that I am obsessed with. Everything in your special is hitting me in such a deep way and I love your work and you. So Cape relate this year. Okay. It was all a prompter.
Just for people at home. It seems like I saw her and I got everything she said. No, I love you so much. Thank you. That's like, that's such kind of words.
It means so much to me. I had the Upright Citizens Brigade manifesto printed out on where the text gets really tiny. I'm very like, we have had the pleasure of being in each other's simulations for a lot of our lives. We have and like the topics that you talk about always speak to me, but this latest special is. Okay.
I want to start there before we get into the bigger picture of your life because it is so top of mind and you talk about the things that I love. I love my phone is my best friend. Hair. I talk about hair. Well, I talk about your hair in my mind.
Thank you. You don't talk about hair, but I want to talk about your hair. I got a haircut. I want to cut my hair. She's amazing.
That's you with a haircut. I got a few times. I go, she's going to cut like an inch just an inch. She goes, I want extreme length for you. And those words, I want extreme length for you.
I want extreme length. And now people, I'm not going to go. I'm not going waste. I noticed that your hair was longer than usual and I was thrilled by it. I love extreme length for you.
Also, you talk about the hell of being a woman and how you, you know, rather have it no other way, basically. Like the combo of like what we are, what we are always negotiating with and that we wouldn't trade it for anything. That's what it feels like when I hear your work. Yeah. And so for people who are maybe getting to know Kate for the first time on this podcast, Kate is a co-founder and an actress and artist and she has a new special on HBO called Parmesan.
And I would, if you don't mind. I'm not even bothering him. But why is it called Parmesan? And I'm like, you know, you hear this thing. People go, oh, here's a temp title.
I'm not going to call it Parmesan. That would be insane. And it's one of those things that just, it was just, it was making me laugh because it was just so ridiculous and stupid. I think like I was talking to Chelsea Paredy and she was like, oh, you're doing a special. What's it called?
I said Parmesan. It's just laughs. And I was like, okay. It's just so deeply unserious and ridiculous and what could that possibly relate to? And by the way, the special isn't about food in any way.
Right. You know, you love to talk about food and you love restaurants. I mentioned restaurants. But, but no, Parmesan, when, when you watch the special, you'll see it does refer to joke in the special. And not to, to spoil the joke, but it's about this idea of what we comment on.
What draws us to comment as people on social media and on our phones. Like what we think is a way in which we're going to connect with what we're reading and the existential dilemma of that. Yeah. Can you talk a little bit about how addicted you are to your phone because I am to and I genuinely, genuinely, genuinely am. I relaxed so hard.
Do you have work or program? By the way, I have gone to ITAA meetings, internet technology addiction, anonymous, I know post site. I actually would. There was a lot of that. Save a seat for me.
I've done the zoos twice. But, but still, I was still, I shared, but I like, we do need help because we are in the fight for our lives. Yes. And it's the kind of thing that it's become, it's like the weather. It's like the thing that we're just in and it kind of feels like why bring it up?
Why talk about it? But I can, you know, I've gone on, I had six weeks of sobriety. I did a six week cleanse, nothing. I've done a month a few times. Okay.
Can you just step me through this? What do you mean by nothing? Okay. So nothing. Me in a room.
No. Yeah, sure. So I still have email and I'm still texting 24 seven and doing anything else. No scrolling. No scrolling.
And no, yeah. And not looking at Instagram reels and TikTok and no social media posting anything. Yes. And the six week was really good. And I said, I go, I'm not going back this time.
I was telling everyone I was like, no, no, no, no, no, I'm out. And I am right. And like last night I found myself, I was like, got home late. And I was like, I've had a long day of working. You know what, I'm gonna unwind.
It's curliff on the couch. And I, and I'm, and that's the moment when it becomes infused with this feeling of rest. Like this is rest. And it's not. I'm getting away in the digital labor minds.
And so. Yes. And so I mean, I have it in the bath now of course, because I was doing bads. No phone, I go. It has no phone.
And suddenly it's 1904. And I'm a novelist. And it's like, by the way, when you go off your phone, I have found three weeks of no scrolling. Memories. Driving childhood memories.
Like it's unbelievable. I'm like I'm back on the kitchen. And I'm like, it's like my brain is like, thank you. It's like opening up and it's flooding me with images. And it's like, you just start to think again, you start to be more intimate with your life.
And that's the most devastating. We can talk about, of course, the, the, the horror machine of this and like the a fascistic machine of it and all of that. But then just on the base level, like on a personal psychological level, like you've lost all intimacy with yourself. And like that's the crisis of it. It's just so devastating.
I want you to get a little bit of that intimacy. You're like, all right, no, this is actually, this is really medicinal. I mean, this is why I love talking to you. We can go deep end so fast. And you also have jokes.
Okay, me? Another thing that chilled me to the bone and made me laugh out loud while I was listening to your special on my phone. I watched it on my phone. So sorry. It is the idea about how men say they want to be with funny women, but they hate funny women.
It is, it's giving me a flush right now actually. It was so funny. Now, the idea of the sentiment of like funny women being a threat isn't necessarily a new one. But the way in which you present this idea, which is let me just for a minute, trouble this and present what men actually want. What do you think in your way that is?
Like, can we talk about that for a second? How did you come up with that? It is a lifetime of being funny. Well, I can actually tell you. So there's this like central memory, which I've been like a ham and a goof sometimes like a baby, but I remember, so I went to an all-girls school and I'm strong.
My girls are going to single sex. Hey, you got to separate the girls. Do you like single sex school? Do you like it? You think, sweetie?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I never forget again.
Graduated and was never free. Yeah. Like, thank God. And I started comedy. I did stand up for the first time when I was 17 at my school.
I read this in the basement of your high school. Yeah. So anyway, but so I was always of course, you know, the class clown, all of that. And then I, one day after school, I was 14, 15, maybe 15, after school with really cool guy, like a cool guy, like after school, there's like two cool guys in the room, drum kit, listening to a young harvest. What's this?
Yes, because I was doing that with my friend who was a gorgeous, like, pack son model, you know, like, truly. And she's over there. And I'm here, like, talking to the guys. Yeah. And this guy who was like the really popular cool guy, he was laughing and he was like, God, you know, you're really funny.
I was like, yeah, he was like, you should be careful though guys don't like fun girls because it reminds them too much of other guys. I remember I was leaning against the wall. I was sitting on the bed like this, leaning against the wall. And it was like, by the way, thank you for the truth. I was there to say that was a unbelievable gift.
There it is. And he was not wrong. I heard it. It went in. I'm going to carry this weight for the rest of my life.
And it was like, it's really so yeah, I've been kind of like teasing that out. Yes. Well, because also there's the bigger thing also behind it is there's obviously like to be funny is to be a little embarrassing and men hate being embarrassed like this. Everyone's like, why? It's like, no, it's because you're going good, good, good, good.
It's like that's why they're not kissing you. But it's like, manor fold and by the way, I want to just say it's a clear the record. Oh, of course there are guys who like, you know, of course, I've dated them. You've dated them. Of course.
It's like this does exist. It's true. It's like if you're doing comedy, you know, it's a historically masculine role in society, whatever, it just creates this like rupture. It's like a weird like gender performance thing. People are like, yes, it's, it's, yes, rupture exactly right.
Divine rupture. I'm an art teacher. One, it's needed in our culture. There's people who were voted classical women. And in my school, the classical women were women were like bad, bad girls.
You know what's funny? I was a good girl in a sense that I slept at the foot of my parents bed, you know, my entire life emotionally. I was at the foot. And so I was like a good girl, like love school. Love to my friends.
I was like teacher, teacher, you know, like I, you know, but I did have a little bit of like the, the mischievous. Like, okay, I, so a bit of a prankster, but never let pranks never heard anyone, but I'm recalling live, which is amazing because I'm driving here. I go, what are the stories? What's my life? And then I'm like, it's coming up.
It's coming up. Okay. So like something that I used to do was, you know, like the big drop down, I could be arrested for this actually, the big drop down maps like at school, like the world in America. So my little thing that I did is like, I'm going to steal those for my, for my bedroom. So I, so I would jump up, unscrew them and walk out.
And if you're walking, if you're 16 and you're walking with the, the map of the world out of the class, they go, oh, she's supposed to do that. Obviously someone else has to move that to the basement or whatever. So I really got my rocks off doing that. And I do have a bit of a klepto. I've squashed it.
I also have a bit of a klepto. Well, I mean, women and stealing and kleptomani is very interesting and very, and because in a world where you feel like, you know, we've been stolen from, you know, we've been stolen from. I love what you've said about makeup, how you feel that women should be able to steal. No, safely and from being a non-pause, but from the big guys. Take a little blush.
Take a little blush. Yeah. You're owed that blush because the blush is mandatory. Right. And when you speak for it, the government is not paying for our blush.
That should be free. And then you also speak about the difference between dating and dating women because in the special you congratulations. You are gay now. Bye Amy. Confused Amy.
Okay. I say it's a shorthand because a lot of people now, you know, bisexual, you know, bisexual, femme walks in and go, oh, what? It gets like early eighth grade. Right. And I'm going, no, I'm living that life actually.
Right. I mean, this is so funny because I talk about some special like you genuinely obsessed with sexuality, my sexuality. And it's like, I also think there's this like, I grew up with this narrative of like, if you you know, come out later in life is because you had this secret and you were like jerking off and private and you're like, no, no, no, no, no. You know what I mean? It's like, that's not what my life was at all.
Yes. Right.
If I may, the thing you said, which I have never heard articulated, which and that's why it was so incredible because you're, because you kind of lived in both worlds. Right. Because you've lived in both worlds. The perspective of from kind of being like on the other side looking almost like back at what was like a way of living and the realization that you came to, which is just again, the comedic realization, but like all of your stuff steeped in such truth is that heterosexual relationships between men and women kind of are often helpful to women who don't want to be seen. And it is, it is, that's what fascinated me because I was like, and by the way, I've had beautiful relationships with men, but it's like, it's really fascinating to, I did when I kind of started to like be in like gay relationships, I was like, oh, like, are, I truly was like, okay, are all women, are women, I believe that women exist.
But is that also, people listening Kate made a face. But, and I was like, but is that also just their way of being left alone in a way? And I was like, and there's validity to that. And like obviously I'm also speaking like everyone relax. Okay, now there's straight people that are in love and they're, you know, screaming, laughing, whatever.
But, but there is, there is a inherent distance. There's always distance between people, even queer relationships, of course. But there is this like, there's this deep distance between men and women and I. And also I think that's hard when you're, when you're a comedian, you're a class clown, and you're an actor, I can really love the performance of being a femininity and gauntlets. And I'm attracted to masculinity, I love that performance.
So I think there's something, there's something that is always strange when it's only when people don't know they're performing that it starts to get scary. That's exactly right. Like it was one of my questions I wanted to ask you, which is you're very good at this. And we work with a lot of people that are good at this, which is we can mirror what people want us to be. Or like we can just get in there and just be like, I'm this person.
And the question for you is like, I think the part of like growing up and figuring yourself out is knowing like that's actually expensive. Like it takes something. Yeah. The way the full performance is I'm doing in case someone sees. I was just talking about this on my podcast, but like airplanes are really places where these performances in gender really come out.
So the other day I was getting onto a plane and I had to carry on luggage to put overhead. And there was a guy right opposite. And I kind of did this thing and he was like, oh, do I help with that? I was like, yeah, do you mind? Sorry.
And then he lifted it up and then I said to him, I don't know why I go, I have a shoulder thing. I'm trying to migrate and you made that up. So I completely fake and then I found myself going, oh shit. Now I have to kind of like do this shoulder injury. I had another bag, a lighter bag to lift up.
And so I kind of lifted it up. I didn't kind of like I tried to overcompensate. And by the way, he very well is buried in a book. He's not even looking, but I'm often to the performance less he glanced over. And then when we landed six hours later, I go time to get the show back on the road.
And then I was doing kind of, you know, kind of for who? Who is watching? I know. I know. I kind of think they're watching.
Well, you know who's watching? I'm watching. Like that's the thing is like the idea that like who are we? Like what self is the real self is a nonstop delightful journey for me. It's absolutely endless.
And it's like this is and this is where also it's sex. Sorry. I said it's so. First time it's been changing. It's like like, and that's why I think honestly class clowns.
And this is what can be hard, funny on funny two class clowns in bed. It can get complicated. You're right. Like that. And she sounds like, oh God, I don't know.
You kind of need someone to go. Like, yeah. No. I'm so conscious. Yes.
Like because I do. It's complicated. I'm obsessed with your relationship to your own body on stage because like to be looked at is already so intense. And the way you use your body to like ground yourself in performance is so interesting for me to watch you like like a dancer. I can feel the way that you when I don't know when it feels like you regulate your thoughts or anxiety or emotions by the way move.
I'm laughing. I never hit no one's ever seen before. Thank you. Thanks for the first time live. But I know but it is actually you're right.
I've never known. I've never put that or put that. No one's ever put this to me in these terms but it is how I self regulate. It's like even like, it's like, it's like, that is, no, no, you are correct. And like I, you know, love physical comedians.
Like, oh, that's always what gets me. And like I made crazy faces. I can't stop. You know, but but that is how I get back inside my body. I think.
Yeah. Maybe think about my own stuff. It's like, oh God, no, but yeah. Yeah. It made me think about like, like, I just did it now.
Like my own laughing. Like I love to laugh and everyone's like, I love to laugh and laughing is so good for us. And also laughing for me is expelling anxiety. Like it is a way to just like get shake out whatever is the feeling that I'm having. And anytime dancing is the same way for me, but it takes me so long to realize that that is why I'm doing something.
Because I think especially if you're like in the comedy world or you're like a big thinker, like you're just like, our brain, we just, I use, I'm like brain forward a lot and I have to remind myself I have a body. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. This. No, no, no.
Okay. And it's the Asia culture. You talk about it. Yeah, I talk about it in a seizure culture. Look at us if you have to educate yourself.
No, somebody you guys, fuck, I can't give away the joke, but please watch it. You talk about this idea that when we're under and we come to how cocky the people are that we're awake. We can talk about it. It's a very moment especially. It's so funny.
But I talk about kind of going, not enjoying going under anesthesia because I don't like waking up and the idea that everyone in the room is like laughing at you that you've been asleep the whole time. Like it's like if you're a performer, it's like you have to go under to go off. Like you know, it's like, I'm sure you're like, oh, I can turn off. Of course. Like, like, we're like, but the only time you're free.
By the way, I'm hamming it up. As I was going under, I remember this. The guy with my auntie, I'm like, God, you look like Griffin Dunn. I was going so hard. I'm nervous.
If I'm in a medical situation. So I have a lot of medical anxiety. This is going to be the next special because I just got like a completely unnecessary angiogram. Oh, actually, I mean, we would talk about this forever because you, I'm obsessed with this idea that we are now giving ourselves too much information that's making us very stressed. Of course.
Yes. And so you had an angiogram. I went a little hard on my neck with a high zoo Instagram. Yeah, Instagram advertised to me. This neck massage where I go, sure about it.
Yes. And then I was going really, really hard and I go, oh, it's a little too hard. It's a little too hard there. And then I start looking up and I go, oh, then the veins are really, really careful. I go with the arteries and then I go, oh, God.
And then I texted, yeah, texted my doctor. And she really regrets the day she gave me that. And she was like, I'm sure you're fine, whatever. But I'm so, I have that kind of sensation anxiety and stuff that I was like, oh, I think something. So then I call seeters and talk to the doctor and they're like, we could, or you a CT scan.
I mean, if you want to get an angi, I mean, what's that going? They inject you with your veins with dye and the whole thing. I go, that's insane. So I'm putting it off, putting it off and then I go, I could do it next week. So then I'm being wheeled into the room.
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Let's go to Kate as a child. Okay? I'm not sure if you're a kid. Yeah. Yeah, you were born as an adult.
No, 30. Were you as a little Kate in LA, in Los Angeles, artist's parents? It was really hard. Yeah. The website is say Monica.
I was going to say you were in say Monica. Yeah. Not in the industry. They're not in the industry. I'm just going to say.
What parties are they? So my dad works in middle collage. It was funny. This was a huge for me a few years ago. There was a New York magazine piece about Nepo babies and my face was in.
Next to like Chalame. I was like, I'm famous. I'm like, what is this? And it was like, the daughter of a sculptor. I was like, trust me, doll.
I haven't gotten any work. You know what I mean? And then like my mom did prop design and she did make the Stonehenge prop in smile top, famously. Wow. And that was also their side of the snappetism.
I go, go on. A little bit of a stretch. She's a little bit of a stretch. Yeah. But my mom was a stay at home.
I don't know if we can even say that now, right? They're taking that away. So, but you know, if you be creative person. Did you grow up with artists around the house chatting about art? Yes.
That's all. I'm an only child. My parents' friends did not have kids. So it really was like me at the dining room table with the adults being like, all right. I say too.
And I think that was, you know, intensely informative. And did you feel like, I mean, I'm sure you're talking about it a lot. You might have talked about it in your specials, but what is the only child dilemma? What is like the best? No.
Or is there one? Is there one? Like, what's the good and bad thing about being an only child? I don't know. I mean, having siblings, I don't know.
I don't really like sharing my mommy. I don't think so, Amy. Number one, please. Yeah. So sharing my mommy would have been hard, but I think, you know, as you age, you go, oh, it would be helpful, but then also you never know what you're going to get.
I mean, people, it's like they're helpful when shift falling apart. So, yeah. So I don't know. You're sibling relationship is often the longest relationship in your life, which I was like, whoa, I read that. I was like, wow, because that is, you know, like, don't complicate it with sex.
Because that's the thing. Don't shit where you eat, guys. If you can take away one thing, okay. So you're like this, like, precocious kid in a way where you do you feel older than you were a kid, but I think I'm watching. I think so much of what I like through mimicry, like I remember like when I saw Aaron Brockovich, I started doing my homework and heels, you know, like, like, like, for real.
Yeah, I'm into this. Yes. And so I think that like watching movies, watching people, like be smart or sound smart is kind of like, yeah, I'm going to kind of just like take that. Okay. And then you did some crazy early jobs.
And is it true that you were a voice actor in Texas for a calling radio show? Oh my God. Yeah. Okay. So, so, so, so I don't know where I got hooked up with this, but it was a thing where you would do like so for calling radio shows where they're like morning radio, where they're like, yeah, so we got here, got to go out on a first date.
The girl, let's just say she doesn't have a face or whatever. Yeah. Like these like, these like, and then, but they're being presented as real. So I would play. And then go like, we got, we got, we got, we have her on the line.
She's no idea that we're listening in. So we're just going to call. So I would pretend to be the person who's like, hello, you know, and, and I did, I think like one, and yeah, it was like, and then the, like the casting, when I was like, she's like, you're good at this. Yeah. She's like, you're good at this.
Because there's one where I tend to be crying. It's devastating. It was like, they're humiliating this woman on air and I have to be like, what? On the radio? No.
Like really sad. I mean, I was going to send up. Okay. I was doing it for ground. I was learning with the other.
I mean, I've got paid like 75 bucks or something, I don't know. But it was, I'd have to wake up like 4 AM because I was like, I'm telling you, I'm telling me, I like, wake up. I just ain't going to be like, Oh, my God. No. Yeah.
And I get interesting. Yeah. And then I slept through one, Oh, you missed your call. They're like, we need you Dallas radio 7 AM, who knows where I was. I woke up.
I saw the Miss calls. Fire never again. I get it. Yeah, they got to do it. Because the radio, yeah, yeah.
And they had to then on their side, they had to improvise like, oh, we can't get ahold of her. They're kind of serious. Yeah. have no fear like a radio DJ. They have to segment stuffers and you're going to bring them back.
And you know, we cannot talk about like your early, early career, like starting out without talking about John Early, speaking of early because John Early and you, let's talk about John for a second because the way you guys interact together scratches a comedic itch for so many people. Why do you think that is? What is it that is? Amazing sex. Yes.
When you can connect on that somatic level with someone, it can't help but reflect in the work. John, you know, it's like, you know, one of the great loves of my life, John Early, like we did, we are, we like met in this very like romantic way where it was like we met and then in a very lesbian fashion, like we're in a separate bowl and he slept in my bed for like three years. And I was like, why can't I get a man? I was like, see, it's hard, it's different for me. Yeah.
And John, we met, yeah, we met on site of a friend's short film and we had like, he'd message me on Facebook or something and I was like, who's this? And then I watched a video of his and I was like, oh, he's really funny. We were trying to break it down today because we're such fans of your work alone, of course, and with John and with John, I'm not like the biggest. I get a little stressed when people come at each other pretty hard, like in comedy, like I'm not a big roast fan. But the way you two gently knife each other and the stuff you do is like fascinating to watch.
I think it's funny for us because like we don't, similarly, I don't want to be roasted or ever roasted anymore. And like John is, you know, like from the south and like John's the last, like, so I think our, like that's a place for us to like go there. Yes. And but very much behind this like character mass, of course. Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know why it's funny because we are like there's been times or over the years we've been like, but we're not mean like people are like, you guys are vicious. Like, no, it's not like that's not what it is. No, it's not. I mean, I don't, I don't know exactly. And it feels like there's like some border around it that's surface level, which is always so funny when people are not acting the way they're feeling.
That's just like inherently funny. Well, that's exactly what it is. And like we just like the fails performance to say again, like when people think that they're covering and they're not and when people are using the social niceties to cover. Like, and like that is just heaven. It's heaven.
Like when someone is angry and they are like trying to conduct a meeting or something is heaven. Yeah. How are you with conflict? What's your conflict style? What do you mean?
So I'm sorry. I missed it. When something like that happens, do you get filled? I get filled with a little bit of excitement. Oh, you mean like what?
Well, conflict is getting people fight through the, my favorite thing in the world is screaming fine on the street, safely watching from the window. That and my heart's being through my chest. Yeah. Yeah. Totally.
Do you, do you have a like direct conflict style? Do you feel like what, when you're angry about something, what does it look like? It's a really interesting question that my therapist should be asking me and she's not. So there's an issue there that we'll explore later. But maybe I withdraw.
I'm wondering. I'm probably going to go with withdraw. Yeah. Go into my head with draw. I'm not, I think I've talked about it a lot.
So I won't get into it. Like I had a really upsetting incident with a chimney sweep a couple of years ago. I'll just say quickly. Just say quick. He came into my home, came into my home doing a chimney sweep.
I go, oh, he has like no drop cloths. I go, okay. So now I'm getting into the forensic details. But I was like white couch, white thing. I just moved in and I go, oh, do you have like, this is funny.
Do you have like drop cloths right there? And he kind of like laughs. He's like, I'm fine. And I go, okay, he's a chimney sweep. I'm going to come here.
He knows how to do his job. So I go, okay, I'm going to let you, I go into it. I come back. Amy. Oh, no.
So it on the white couch on the curtain. So in the hallway, I go like this. There's, and I'm like, there's sitting in the home and he kind of the thing like, yes, like city by the way, and here's where I, I paid. So not focused. I mean, there in the kitchen thing and I go, I can't pay for price.
I guess the boss on the phone, those whole thing. Maybe your house was dirty. Yeah. So maybe your house was dirty. Yeah.
Somebody being held hostage to you like, you have to pay because you want him out of your house. Yeah. I want the chimney sweep. Go on. And I said, I had an amazing chimney sweep earlier.
The yours recording. It's my number. And he had job closing. He had respect. Yes.
And so, but I, I'll just say that night went to bed literally permanent TMJ like one night of clenching from the chimney sweep and that years later so I should be going to court and then the tension on this job, I'll face down. Okay. So the tension on this side, so I'm losing work. Okay. So the chim, so one night, so that wasn't, that wasn't experience where I could have gone harder in the moment.
I didn't because I was just like kind of panicked and sad, but. also didn't go harder in the moment because you got somebody in your house. Yeah, totally. It's not a safe situation. It's a man who knows for real.
Yeah. And also I want to husband I go, Eric, you're like, that's when you, that's when you want something. You want to call for Eric. Eric comes down from his study and he's like, Hey man, yeah, don't exactly. And I go, and I go, yeah.
And I walk away. You want to get to have it out. And you can hear Eric yelling a little bit and you get like, Eric's going to be dead at night. Yeah, exactly. So that's my, that's fun.
And I get that. Yeah. Okay. So John early, we spoke to him before this podcast because we always do to somebody who knows and John gave us some amazing questions for you. Oh my God.
Okay. So here we go. John wants to know a couple of things. Okay. Do you miss Paris?
Yes. Okay. John wants to know, do you think you're funny? Yes. Okay.
Um, John wants to know how are the kids? Amazing. Good. It's just, you know, yeah. Yeah.
They're a really fun age. Yeah. What is that? Just right around that area where you go. They're, they're them, but they're you.
But you do know how old they are. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Good.
Forish. Yeah. Um, John wants to know. So are you gay or what? John will do that to me.
It's so funny. Like, he'll text me. I don't want to go. Are you gay by? What is it?
Or my favorite thing? Like, I'll be doing a show and John will be like, just remember, like, oh, the show is broken because you are broken. It's really funny. To me, the love language of comedy people is my favorite thing in the world. He will leave a voice mail for me and he'll be like, it's just so, like, like, the yesterday, so embarrassing.
Oh, God, I'll be like, oh, Jesus! Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. So, so she'll be like God. They're going to be against. They're going to be like, Oh, my God, I'm Oakley.
Oh my God, mom. I'm watching for her special. She's doing these press appearances and it's just like, oh my God, meanwhile, you know, HBO, they're not going to release it. I've already got my father in a ballet band. They're holding it back.
And there she's trotting out your little outfits and they're like, Oh my God, fuck, fuck, fuck. Oh, God. Oh, God, he'd be like. He'd pretend he's calling someone else. Or he'd pretend he's accidentally leaving it on my machine.
Oh my God. Always. In the home off. Someone comes to your home. Do you say please take your shoes off?
So I have a small home to quote the handyman who came to the house when I first moved in. And this is direct quote, never have I seen a house so small. And that was the exact delivery. That was the exact language you use. I go, wow, that's small.
I mean, I don't have Eric. I don't have a retiasment. Yeah, I got it. Yeah. And then I'll just say a couple days later he returned and he goes, do you have many more things to move into this very small home?
I'm not living with her. There's no couch. There's nothing. I go, well, yeah, I have to bring in the furniture. And I go, but there's not that much.
And he goes, that's good because it's so small. So because the house is small, I don't have a grandfouille. You know, there's no room for us. You have kind of like a horrifying pile, a little pile by the front door. So it depends depending on how I'll kind of be like, take them off.
Yeah. If I just, you know, do you put on a house slipper? Oh, yeah. I have multiple house slippers. This is what I thank you.
Another reason why I love you, Kate, is because I know you love things. And you really, and I would say that one of the things that's so amazing about you and Jacqueline and Poog, which is an incredible podcast and congrats on that. The success of that because it's so funny and good. And you guys, for people that don't know who like deep dives into product in a way, much like how we're talking today, where Kate and Jacqueline go back a super talented writer, performer, they like talk about a red light mask and then somehow get to the front door. Very fast.
It's very high meat slow. Yes. And it's very, you know, we started Poog in COVID. Yes. And really kind of started as a way, Poog goop backwards.
Get it. Okay. So, and kind of as like a wellness, beauty podcast, but really also just a way that we could get free stuff, which has been incredible. And so people will send us these products. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. So, but, but also kind of this idea of like searching for the right product and that the, and there's this misconception that you want to find the right product, you actually don't, you want to engage in the search forever. The search is kind of, you know, the ego loves to search and never to find. And we'll just let that sit.
Yeah. Three, two, one. And so that constant manic belief that there is this product out there, this person out there, this thing out there and then you're going to arrive and you're going to be holding, you're going to be healed or you're going to be beautiful. It's like, we got some of them. We know that's not coming.
But it's really fun to go. I tried to see them. I think it's doing something. I had fun. I knew lips.
I'm like, I'm like, there's a pleasure in that. Yes. Yes. And so I'm, you guys talk about things and I love listening to it because like you, I'm in the pursuit for like the platonic best thing for the thing, like as if my life is going to get smaller and simpler if I just get the right thing. But I do want to know what shoe you bought for your house shoe.
So this is kind of shooting because it is, it was a gift. Okay. But I'm going to go with the classic. Ugg, sorry, ugg, they're so many different kinds of slippers. And I, I have to actually, I paid out of pocket.
I purchased the ultra mini boot that's like under the ankle almost. Okay. Yes. Um, this kind of like, I have a fur lining. Yeah.
Okay. So I'm getting into the boot for saying you are you feel about your conditioning? Like, are you an AC person to keep it cool? But last it down. Me too.
Yeah. I mean, I really, just last night I was because I sleep naked guys. This isn't about that. I'm here to talk about my work, but I know one in eight sleep and hi, I'm here on this pocket. Hey, it's sweet.
Yeah. Now's the time. Send them now. If this is going to be an A sleep, this is going to be an A sleep. Please get catered in a sleep.
And so I'm going to end our talk today. No, no, no, no, I know. I know. But you have a lot of incredible takes on things. Oh, so I want to get your thoughts on things.
They don't have to be funny. They can be whatever you can be whatever you want. The moon fake. Like again. Yeah, every night.
Every night. I just want to see something different. I mean, it just changed every night. I mean, it gets in the same way. You do what I mean, but you will change in the same way.
And I do in this thing. I do that thing. You're concealing this part. You're concealing that part. Yeah.
Oh, no, I'm right here in the open. They're not going to be gone tomorrow. Psychics. I believe they're gifted psychics. Like I do our top.
Do you believe you have any psychic abilities? Yeah. You do for real. Yes, they mean anything. Yes.
What? Can I get into it? Okay. No, I think we all, you know, secondly, we all have. We all have like I have psychic abilities.
I have stuff. Re-people and I can, I feel like I'm pretty good at noticing energies, but I don't feel like I have a psychic ability to figure out that out. But I've had some some interesting instances, but again, on my phone all day. So I'm blocking all that out. Yeah.
Okay. Yeah. What about ghosts? Have you seen any of her? Yes.
Yes. So it was okay. You've tossed it. Yeah. So people, you look at me long hair.
You know? Oh, who's this? You know, which she's psychic? It goes to, I'm actually, typically not, I don't. I don't like karaoke.
For example, a lot of people think things about me. Okay. So, and I, I was told not to talk about it because then they take it as a way to kind of come in. But I swear to God, last couple of years. You'd say, you have to talk to my friend, Mr.
Dress, because she does, she is really into woo woo and she kind of collects woo woo woo stories. I've had some, I've had some like, I've always been scared of ghosts and then the last couple of years, I've seen a few and actually some situations. I think would really scare me, no fear whatsoever, completely fine. I've had two upsetting experiences that really freaked me out. Okay, that's not true.
So I kind of went to someone and they're like, let's close the door. I wish I could see a ghost. I have not seen a ghost and they just do not fuck with me. Ghosts. You don't own it.
I don't know. I don't know. Some people I would like to come through and are interested in that. Yeah, maybe not. But once you've had a couple of bad ones, you go, yeah.
I'll just say I've got some special figurines on my next hand lately. Some crystals. I was given some figurines. Okay. Because I go, I don't want to see that one anymore.
Yeah. They were like, for 20, 99, I can give you this. I don't truly. You might have been friends I've had that have been like, and she said, for $500, she go, lift the curse. I'm like, oh, no, I know.
I know. Let's lift the curse for free. How about we try that? Yeah, of course those can and should be lifted for free. Yeah, like makeup and tampons.
Los Angeles. From LA. I lived in New York for 10 years. They're all the time. But I think the people love to talk to you on LA.
And even this feels cliché when I'm dropping into, right? Kind of like people I talk about. But I love Los Angeles. You know, she can be a cruel mistress. But to me, it's Hollywood.
It's dreams. It's images. It's lizards. It's cactus. It's a palm tree, half on fire.
Yeah. Yeah. There's something brutally solitary about Los Angeles. I love New York so much. So many times I go back to New York.
I'm like, I've ruined my life. I'm not living here. I'd be a better artist. I'd be more connected to people, to strangers. Like, I really long for strangers and for those interactions that really feeds me on a deep level.
And I am sad that in LA it's harder to get those interactions. But I think, I don't know, LA is it is it isn't, it's strange. Yes. And it can make you feel, I remember after living in New York coming back to LA and being like, I've never felt uglier, more exposed, more alone, driving in the car, looking in the mirror. Like, you're alien, you're like, who is that?
It's so bright. It's so bright. There's no way to hide and it only hides you. I don't know. But you love her.
Come on. Sing those hills, speckled with the homes lit up at night, dropped in Hollywood Boulevard, with a machete outside the man's Chinese. And you go, we're dreaming. We create the dreams. Yeah.
This town creates the fantasies of drive the world. And what's making you laugh? My last question to you, like, what do you do to laugh? And you can't say your friends. Just go watch people fall down at the supermarket.
What makes me laugh is non-performers performing. Like I've been to a couple of weddings, a couple of like, those kinds of environments where someone who's not a performer is giving a speech. Yes. That is exquisite. And let's talk through that because I know what you mean.
And I bet you're the same, like, as women like our mirror neurons, we don't want anyone to be humiliated. No, of course. Of course not. And it's sweet. You see what's scary up there.
I'm a performer. I'm not awkward but fun. But what do you, what makes you laugh? Like, what's your, your like perfect version of that? I think what's so fascinating about wedding speeches is there's like this template and people are like, like, this is something I talked about with John.
So classically, the bridesmaid speech. You're the bride, right? You're this? You're funny. It's interesting things.
And then the vows, too. It's usually, you're fine. You're fine. You're fine. You're fine.
You're fine. You're fine. You're fine. You're fine. You're fine.
You're fine. You're fine. You're fine. You're fine. And again, the listing traits.
Yes. It's always listing traits. No. It's so funny. You're goofy, you're smart.
You're kind, and you're generous. Lifting traits, we have to go beyond the list. Yes. But breaking out of that is, but I understand too much. I'm not admonishing the list.
I said it. You're right. That's, you could hear that language. You could hear that rhythm, and it's really there. Yeah.
Yeah. I totally. I love a wedding. Love. If it's a bad wedding, I'm like, oh, oh my God.
Like, you know, if everyone, if there's like a clumsy speech or a people are stressed out, the the wrong person cries or the X is there and it's awkward, I'm like, oh my God, what theater? And if it's beautiful and full of love, I'm like, amazing, I love that too, I love a wedding. And I just, I love parties so much. And I'm very like, planner, like if I didn't, if I didn't do what I do, I think I'd be like, party planner? I'm never, I'm never, yeah, maybe.
Professor slash party planner. Yeah. But what parties make me a little stress or very unstructured. No, I go, oh my God, the apps, like bring out the apps now. You know, I was actually, I had a wedding recently, nice one, broken glass bleeding on my mouth.
Ran to the bathroom, it was blood. I just spit it out in the Ceviche, the glass. So I know that, I go in, I don't tell anyone, I'm not gonna ruin this wedding. Of course. I go into the kitchen, through the doors, into the metal doors.
I go, guys, the Ceviche trace, you gotta pull them. You gotta pull them in the glass. You know, and I quietly, quietly, you wanna put out those files. And all microman, like I definitely have like, kind of a white knuckle grip. Like I love to have a dinner party or something.
And I love to spend the days awake, you know, the night before, it's not as simple. It's not the effortless host is a lie. I think it's real, some people actually can do that. But like I'm like, shaking. Yeah, but there's things you can't control.
You can control the party, but guess what? Over-controlled party? Hell, hell for everyone. Hell. So that's the thing.
You have to create the structure, you have to let it dissolve. Yeah. You might burn, like something's gonna burn, like someone's gonna get in a fight, like a wine will be spilled, a chimney sweet made show up. Yeah, he might, yeah, he might give you TMJ. But you keep going.
And that is something, the second thing we want you to take away from other than having sex with your sibling. Yeah, don't do it. Guys, don't do it. Don't do it. Caper land.
I love you, wait, I love you so much. You are a hero to me. I have no trouble saying that to you. And also truly going through really hard time recently, what'd I pop on? Wet hot?
They came together double feature. Cause I'm like, I need to swing funny. I'm thinking funny movie, what's a funny movie? Oh, it's funny. Nothing's coming up.
And then I go, we're going back to wet. Wet hot lives in my DNA. That is such a, I mean. You must have been a teen when it came out, right? I don't remember when I first saw it.
I saw it later. Yeah. But it is the most beautiful and just, yeah. Thank you, Kate. I love seeing you.
I'm not gonna do your CV. We all know, but I love you. Thank you, Kate. Thank you. Thank you so much, Caper Land.
That was so fun. I love talking to you and you're so funny. And it's just a joy to be around you. So Kate and I talked about a lot of things. One of the things we talked about is how fun it is to watch a awkward wedding speech.
But I just want to say for people that are right now getting ready to give a speech, a wedding speech, just a few tips. Here are my unsolicited tips, which start with a joke and sincere. Don't do it the other way around. Don't start sincere and then think that this hilarious joke is gonna kill. Start with a really nice, easy joke upfront.
Maybe something about how you're nervous, something self-effacing, and then just get them at the end by being very, very sincere. You can never go wrong if you're sincere. You can go horribly wrong if you say the wrong joke. So that would be my unsolicited advice, but congratulations on your wedding and congratulations on being the bridesmaid. And remember, take your speech and cut it in half because it's gonna go longer than you think.
Thank you so much for listening to Good Hang. Thanks for checking in with us and have a good one. You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for the show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weisberman and the Amy Poehler. The show is produced by The Wringer and Paper Kite.
For The Wringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spillane, Kai McMullen, Alea Zanaris, Bridget Kirlings, Paige Barberini, Bell Roman and Drew Van Steenbergen. For Paper Kite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell and Jenna Weisberman. Original music by Amy Miles. Ah, dah!