Katie Moussouris & Project Glasswing

In this episode of Phoenix Cast, hosts John, Rich, and Kyle welcome Katie Moussouris — founder and CEO of Luta Security, creator of Microsoft’s first bug bounty program, and architect of Hack the Pentagon — to break down Anthropic’s Project Glasswing and what it means when an AI model can find hundreds of real-world vulnerabilities at scale. Katie walks through the staggering complexity of coordinating multi-party vulnerability disclosure across 40 organizations, drawing on her own experience running similar efforts at Microsoft, and doesn’t shy away from the hard questions about whether the cybersecurity workforce is cooked or about to boom. The conversation heats up as the crew debates how much of Glasswing is marketing versus genuine emergency, whether offensive and defensive AI use can coexist responsibly, and what all of this means for critical infrastructure, supply chains, and the warfighter. Katie closes with a bold call for universal basic income funded by AI productivity — and if that doesn’t make you hit play, nothing will.We'd love to hear your thoughts! Tweet us @ThePhoenixCast, and don't forget to join our LinkedIn Group to connect with fellow Phoenix Casters. If you enjoyed the episode, help us out by leaving one of those coveted 5-star reviews on Apple Podcasts. Thanks for listening!Links:Project Glasswing (Anthropic):https://www.anthropic.com/glasswing Luta Security:https://www.lutasecurity.com Hack the Pentagon (USDS):https://www.usds.gov/projects/hack-the-pentagon Katie Moussouris - "Fixing a Hole: The Labor Market for Bugs" (MIT Press):https://direct.mit.edu/books/edited-volume/3582/chapter-abstract/120140/Obligatory XKCDhttps://xkcd.com/2347/