Katie Moussouris on the Anthropic Export-Control Mess

(Presented by TLPBLACK: A cybersecurity intelligence platform focused on sharing curated, high-sensitivity threat insights and research with trusted security professionals.) Three Buddy Problem - Episode 102: Software export controls expert Katie Moussouris joins the show to unpack the US government's abrupt move to suspend access to Anthropic's most powerful models over a so-called "jailbreak" that, on reading the paper, turned out to be a model doing exactly what defenders are supposed to do. We dig into the export-control chaos, the chemical-weapons framing of cybersecurity, the China question, and why Microsoft just resurrected a disclosure term the industry buried fifteen years ago. Cast: Katie Moussouris, Juan Andres Guerrero-Saade and Ryan Naraine. Costin is traveling. Timestamps: 0:00 - Introductory banter 1:00 - Export Controls: Fable 5 and Mythos 5 suspended 3:40 - The Anthropic–USG relationship and USG’s surveillance claim 9:40 - Self-owns, doomsday cults, and why the guardrails are "so broad" 12:42 - What the Amazon paper actually says ("fix this code") 20:33 - The chemical-weapons framing problem 23:39 - The China question and the SK Telecom angle 41:17 - Why hasn't the paper been published? 57:01 - "Free Fable": are Chinese models only months behind? 1:00:13 - The unforgiving internet and the security poverty line 1:11:18 - Microsoft brings back "responsible disclosure" (and threatens researchers) 1:29:04 - Luta Security, the AI bug flood, and shout-outs