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Thursday, June 6th, the Fantasy Footballers, Jason Moore, Mike Wright, Andy Holloway. For whatever reason, Jason has been trying to get a trade done in our Dynasty League for, I guess the better part of the day. I did a trade yesterday, since that point he's been jealous. And you wait until the intro of the show is hit to get the deal done.
Well, that was not under my control. So you weren't the one that hit the button? I wasn't the one who hit except. I was working it before the show, early this morning, all the way up through sitting here.
He did it in all that, but he hit except right when the music was playing. This is a bold trade. It's a blockbuster trade. He sent Jordan Addison, a 20-25 first rounder, a 20-26 first rounder, and got back Chris Olave.
Yeah, Addison is going to be probably a slow start for the next two years. He's got McCarthy coming into his own. He's the number two for his team with a rookie quarterback this year. I'm in championship mode.
My team is very good. And I've been a little, look at your guys, Ross, Mike, last year, you made a bold trade very similar. Yeah, it reminds me of this. Were you said two firsts and I believe another, like, Pitman?
Well, yeah, there was a few players, but Pitman at that time, Quinn Johnston, who had not yet failed. He had not ruined people's years, but yeah, like Michael Pitman, couple firsts. And you went and got CD Lamb. CD Lamb leveled up, became the alpha.
We all hoped he would become. Yep. And you won the championship. And then yesterday, Mr.
Holloway made a trade. I did what I always do. I got a couple of old people to come and play on the roster. You got Mari Cooper and Ramon Dre.
Yeah, you got rid of your future picks for... Oh, I don't like picks. No, you do not like picks. And so, yeah, today I made that move because this helps my second flex.
And I'm feeling pretty good. I just hope Olave takes that step. I don't think he's the one you got to worry about. What do they call it?
Are you thinking I used to be worried about Addison? No. No, Derek Carr. Oh, well, sure.
That is obviously the hardship. I wish he had Dak Prescott or better. But, you know, sometimes you've got a slightly overpay to just get a deal done. I don't know if this is overpaying or not.
These are future picks. So, it's just fun. Geopolitically speaking, is this like an arms race that's going on? 100%.
This is not like, if you guys aren't doing these things, I'm not doing this thing. I'm just like, okay, my team's already good. I'm staying calm. There have been many times in fantasy where that has happened.
Like even in our League of Record where I make a trade and I win the trade. I'm in my mind and in reality maybe. But because of that trade, you make a trade. Yes.
So I have to think of the net result of your team getting better. You are my great motivator. Yeah. All right.
Well, that one will be interesting to look back on over the next couple of years. I'm like, oh, gosh, I'm did you think Jason to the trade. It's like, I, it, my feelings on a lobby. It's just, it's, it's so difficult.
I mean, it's similar to Garrett Wilson. It's very similar. When I watched this player, like I think Garrett Wilson's a better player than Chris Alabe after last year. But it's like watching Alabe.
It should work. Like this guy has all the traits that I'm looking for of a true number one wide receiver, getting them good targets. He should dominate and yet it was not close to domination last year. And for me, saying Derek Carson's dare car is much better than what Garrett Wilson was playing with that quarterback last year.
So it's last year was it was so disheartening. But this is what you, I don't I don't hate the move. It's a gamble. It's a risk for sure because there is a world where Jordan Addison this year with JJ McCarthy or even with Sam Darnell of combo Jordan Addison could just flat out end up being better than Chris Alabe.
Like it to me it could happen. It's not a reject shock me. It wouldn't shock me because Jordan Addison had a fantastic year. It definitely would shock Jason.
Yeah. Quick question. It better shock you if you're making that trade. You're like, yeah, I can see that.
You should not make that trade. Fred and Charlotte wrote in a quick question for us. How is your ADP, which is average draft position compiled? Are there different ADPs for different sources such as ESPN, sleeper, Yahoo?
Where what do you use for your rankings? So, you know, you can go and look at the ultimate draft kit. You can see ADP reference throughout Mike. So, you know, you want to answer this one?
Yeah. So ADP average draft position that we don't gather that that's gathered by the platforms as players are doing their mock drafts. You know, it's moving players around in their algorithms and all of those things. So and they all have their own.
We primarily use sleeper as our platform that we play on. So that's the ADP that we reference the most, but all of them have valid ADPs and perhaps a in overlooked tool. If you have the ultimate draft kit and you just haven't happened, seen it funny enough, I stumbled upon it over the office. He's like, Oh, yeah, I totally forgot we had this.
It's a full platform comparison where it shows you sleeper, ESPN, Yahoo. And right now the underdog ADP lets you kind of see, Hey, I really like this player. And if I'm playing on Yahoo, ADP wise, it looks like I can get a discount or this player is being overdrafted, et cetera. But the value of ADP, it's it's actually pretty valuable.
Like the fantasy football players were getting smarter, we're getting better at projecting who's going to be a good player. And it's like the correlation of an early round pick to a smashing success that is extremely high. And it really just slowly the correlation of ADP players being the better picks. It just slowly goes down until, you know, pick 60 or so, it seems to be like right after that is where the ADP because these are unknown for the most player for the most, they are unknown players.
And that's where the ADP can't really tell you who's going to be good. That's why we say in the early rounds, don't overdraft players just because you want to make sure you're paying attention to the ADP. That's what everyone sees is the list right in front of you as you're drafting. And no matter how hardened or seasoned of a fantasy football veteran, you are, the ADP's list can still get in your brain of like this player should have been drafted by now.
So for the most part, ADP is a very good guide. You're just kind of weighing which of those early players you prefer over the other ones. And then after pick 60 or so, just start swinging for the fences a little bit. Of course, not crazy with ADP, but that's where you're going for the real upside of unknown players.
We recommend tier based drafting. Yeah, where we subdivide players into separate buckets or tiers where you know, you can make a decision to maybe pass on somebody that is in the same tier. When there's a number of players left in that bucket and take maybe one of the remaining ones around later, it's a good way to go about that thought process with relation to ADP. Yeah, you don't get fixated on one player name.
And then that player goes, well, my plan is destroyed. It's no, I knew four names who I just want one of those guys. Later, oh, Mike, oh, nice try. You're gonna, here's what's going to really happen.
You're going to say, no, I want one of those four guys. And it's going to be all four of them that go. And that last one will be the guy picked right before you know the how that's worked. That does happen.
That's how it works ever draft. Why do we do this? And yes, in the mock draft on Tuesday, later on, like there's a player like Calvin really has ADP does not reflect anything remotely close to where I think his true value is. It's probably 10, 12, 13 players like behind where I think he should be.
And gambling at that stage, making the call on the player that you want, realizing that more players are going to make their maybe more judgment calls at that point in time. Like you said, I'm fine taking players way ahead of ADP at that point. Yeah, absolutely. So and we keep it updated.
That tool is very valuable. So navigate over there to the ADP platform comparison tool, which will get filled in more and more as the season goes on. And yeah, I think that's a good answer to the question. The 49ers have signed Christian McCaffrey to a two year extension averaging 19 million per season.
Okay. Wow. That's a lot for a running back. There is only one Christian McCaffrey.
What about a running back and a wider server combined? Yeah, super human. That's pretty good deal. Yeah, it seems like it.
I don't think that's totally fair. And this was a reward. He's often the player of the year. There's only been like, you know, five of those in franchise history for the 49ers.
It's it's wild a player at his age, but there are Hall of Fame outliers from time to time. And that's what he is. He's so important to the offense. Now, when this move happened, Mike, well, one, I was happy as a dicey manager.
Yeah, I get that. But you had an immediate reaction, which you said something like Debo is toast, which could be Debo could be I you like basically a huge financial investment on both of those wide receivers won't happen when you're spending so much money on Christian McCaffrey. So one of those two, yeah, after this year, that's the way it's trending. And this is just the pick which wide receiver you prefer.
I mean, like I think Brandon, I you will be the one who gets the contract from the extension from the San Francisco 49ers younger player. Debo is always banged up great player, but you have to like financially you do have to make some hard decisions. And yeah, there are teams like the dolphins and the Eagles who are, you know, they're a huge amount of their salary cap is committed to two wide receivers. But the 49ers have a huge amount of money considered or light.
What am I committed committed to? Thank you to Christian McCaffrey. So like he counts as one of their elite players. I think they can go through this year and then revisit it.
But it's it's going to be really fun. I think that you can replace I you a lot easier than Debo in this offense. That's the only side that leads me to think that, you know, Shanahan would want the versatility of Debo over I you but we will find out Nick Chub spoke for the first. Also, like he's 28.
Yeah, no, it makes a big difference. So heading being 29 heading in the next year, I think that should factor into the decision as well. And whether I you continuously have an outlier 18 plus a catch season, Nick Chub spoke for the first time since the season in the injury. Whoa, that's crazy.
No, he's spoken to other people before. Okay. All right, because that would have been insane. I'm not talking for months.
We thought it was just as me. His voice was stolen. For those of you who haven't watched the last like five minutes of this show, I'm pretty sure four minutes and 45 seconds of it was Jason coughing perfuse. What do you do?
What do you do? I held some water. I got it in the wrong pipe. So I was dying over here.
And he's not said a thing. He's like, he's like, he's exactly. And his first entry in back into the world was that's amazing. Awesome.
So, so, Chub said he doesn't have a timeline for his return to the field. I don't. I mean, this is not, it's disappointing if you expect Nick Chub to come out and say like, I'm gonna be ready to go. I guess you could have been optimistic about that.
I wasn't planning that. I wasn't planning on that either, but players often are the most optimistic about their like, these are elite humans who are used to elite things happening to their body. So for him to like, it's not pessimistic, but it's not overly optimistic, which kind of says some things to me as well. Yeah, speaking of ADP Jerome Ford right now is the 134th player drafted and he projects right now to basically be a starting running back that.
I think so. I like Deontay Foreman to me. You're gonna come in and I think you surf. I look, Jerome Ford's gonna have the leg up because he's on the team.
They've already seen what he can do. And he played he played admirably in the replacement of Nick Chub. RB 17 last year, but Foreman's included like Deontay Foreman's done. He's a bizarre player because he's still because he's been on two.
He's now in his third team in three years. Those previous two teams, whenever he was on the field, you're like, well, that's that's a good player, but no teams want to keep him around. And last year wasn't as spectacular as the year before when we were impressed. Like it was 4.5 a carry in 2022 when on that run, we were kind of like, okay, a form in had a three point nine.
He didn't play for reasons beyond the beyond. Yeah, there's there's off the field stuff. I think you had to bring somebody in to be insurance. You're very in on Jerome Ford.
I'm very in on him relative to the on the form. Okay. Well, that's interesting. Then like, Jerome Ford as the RB 42 right now over on sleeper, the price is the price is going to change with the Nick Jubnewse closer to camp when he's not active is my thought.
Yeah, it will go up, but you know, if you're doing basketball drafts or something right now, he's still very undervalued because this bargain in trades too. And dynasty this injury to Nick Chub when it happened was like, is this the last time we'll ever see him play again? So now it does not appear that's the case. They've restructured his contract.
They're letting him come back where he can still make the money if he has the performance. But for the most part, he's taking a pay cut. He's not going anywhere. He's going to come back to the field.
But that level of injury is not one where, you know, like, where do you drive Nick Chub this year? I think that's a really interesting question for me. He's basically almost off my board because I don't it's not a matter of what week is he active for it. Who is he when he's there?
Yeah, it'll be it'll be interesting if you go from the time when Chub left last year, which he went out on week two, I'll throw week two out, even though it was good for Jerome Ford. It was the receptions that made a big difference too. He caught 46 passes. He was pedestrian, pretty pedestrian, but had like a lot of just barely double-digit performances.
We also didn't have a quarterback. Right. There's not a lot of templating you can do right now with Cleveland. Like no, it's difficult.
Without Chub with Watson, with Judy, like we talked about Nijoku and his numbers with Watson. They're small sample coopers with Watson small, like there's we want to know. We know that they just extended their head coach and their general manager. We know that they battled their way to what 10 and 7 in a playoff spot, despite having four quarterbacks.
So I do think that there's some fundamental competency that's going to come out of that club this year. It's just hard to hone in on one guy. Jason, I got some bad news. Oh, no.
Dealing with a minor shoulder injury because of the weight room, Chris Olave. No, for real, it's like, no, it just happens 12 or 7. Yeah. I mean, it's a he introduced shoulder in the weight room a few weeks ago.
It's just now being reported lingering. Is this still going on? Is he bad? I don't know.
Multi-week injured shoulder? I don't know. I'll give you a first form though. I'll take I'll take the risk on.
I'll be your friend. All right. Well, he'll have Chris Olave. I paid a premium.
I had the same thing happen to you when I traded for Kyron and like two seconds later. It doesn't feel good. Even if it's not a big deal. Quick follow up to Nick Chub.
I didn't want to I wasn't sure. So I bring it up. But Nick Chub back in the college days had a catastrophic knee injury like a knee injury where you're like, well, this kid is done. Like he won't have a college career.
He won't have a pro career. Managed to come back and it was the same knee. Yeah. So this is this was a already repaired knee that then got shredded up again.
And there's a big difference between being a college aged kid going through that when your body heals a lot nicer than being an older gentleman at 28 years old. We saw this with Jamal Charles. Jamal Charles had an early career knee injury where he came back the next year and was awesome. He's one of the, you know, him and AP or that like first year back from ACL, no problem later in his career.
I don't know if it was the same knee or not. But that one took a toll on him to the in the UK injury report. Bats mentioned that there are a lot of implications for his life after football and the risk of developing arthritis is very high based on this injury. It there.
I mean, but like belief in Deontiform and with regardless like the fact that they really didn't do anything to address the running back room is that's why I'm holding my judgment on this these comments from the job in June. Like he probably is not in a position where he should speak about a timeline. But the for the Cleveland Browns, the the just the overall risk as a team like if you're going to be betting on Nick Chub at all, which they were a credit to the franchise. They could have just said not our problem anymore.
Good luck, Nicholas. I hope you find somewhere that will help you pay for your rehab. They fixed this contract so that you can stay with the teams, you know, get all the perks of being an NFL player. But to have the running back room that they have and have any kind of bet on Nick Chub without doing something else is is strangely it's Jerome.
It's Deontiform and Pierre Strong Jr is still there. I mean, are they like Kareem Hunt is gone? So it's I want to give more. I don't want to just do the pork.
Like he also made the same in the same conversation. He said he likes where he's at. He said I'm where I need to be. So, you know, we're we're we're we're located.
Did Homer was he the facility? I think I like to better when you were choking. Let's take a break. Come back with Keep Trade Cut.
Keep Trade Cut. All right. Let's jump in boys. Keep trade cut decisions for 2024.
We're looking at redraft dilemmas. We'll start this first one. We'll call it the second round wide receiver riddle. All three of these players are going back to back to back in the middle of the third round.
According to the sleeper ADP as of today, that would be Drake London at 206. Devontae Adams at 207 in Brandon, Iyuk at 208. You know, these are very different players. You had a big season for my Iyuk.
You had a great finish, but a disappointing year from Devontae Adams, but you have the pedigree in the history. And then you have Drake London, who a lot of people are imbuing future fantasy value to because of the change of the offensive coordinator position quarterback. This is not a close one for me. So my keep is very much Devontae Adams in the situation.
This is not a close one to me either. It is very much Drake London in this situation. Okay. Mike, my rankings and projections will have would be Devontae Adams, but man, he with with his age combined with the amount of seasons that he has played and the quarterback situation, if it's gardener, okay, but Devontae Adams freaks me out.
But he's probably he's still probably my keep of the three. If it's not Devontae Adams, then it would be Brandon Iyuk for me. Really? So you're your lowest on Drake London.
So we obviously when Kirk cousin signed, there was a lot of hallelujah. I think Drake London probably the pendulum got swung maybe even too high on Drake London. And you know, he's going to be the next greatest thing ever. That being said, I mean, when I started guys out, he ended up in my top 10 at wide receiver.
Drake London has shown everything that you really want to see on the field. His stats haven't been that different than Garrett Wilson. Obviously, much fewer total targets than Garrett Wilson, but he's done almost as much with them. He, you know, he hasn't ever looked like he doesn't belong, but he's had a quarterback that couldn't get him the ball.
And now you go to Kirk cousins who obviously we know can support a star wide receiver. So when I look at these three guys, I go, well, Drake London is, you know, the target market share for these three players of Auntie Adams and Drake London, they've got it on lockdown. We don't know about you. You know, is going to be on a low pass.
High proficient. He was high proficient. But he was low. Right.
And that's like, so he's he's the clear out to me between these two guys is Drake London and Devontae Adams. But I would rather take the one who has a quarterback upgrade versus a quarterback downgrade, who is young coming into his prime versus old going to age out at some point. So it's clear for my personal preference, it's Drake London for sure. If I'm on the clock with these three guys as the top in the ADP left on the board, I would trade Devontae Adams because I do think that there are plenty of people that believe he's just going to keep, you know, wash rents repeating what he's done for feels like forever.
And then I would cut Brandon. I mean, Adam's was 103 for 1100 last year with the quarterback troubles. I mean, we saw Pittman have a lot of success with Gardner Minschoot. You know, he's going to get the targets like you said, he got it on lockdown.
So we just have a difference of opinion on because it's such a high investment. I feel like the risk is higher with Drake London. The risk is certainly higher with Drake London. So depending on your roster, your first pick, are you taking a chance with that first pick?
You know, it's nice to want the target Chevrolet London. My fear is it's like, you know, you do have other players that you're going to see touch the football a lot. You know, Beeson Robinson coming out with all this conversation of his McCaffrey usage and, you know, it was a request from Kirk Cousins to bring in Darnal Muni and Kyle Pitts and the pub he gets. I do, I don't think it's necessary for Drake London to be, you know, a hyper target, a high volume guy for them to succeed, but I do feel like that can't happen.
You know, that Las Vegas can't succeed without Adams doing that. So it's a difference of the way you want to build your roster. The question for Drake London is not the necessity in the offense, which will be, it's going to be a better offense. There's going to be a more Rams-esque type of an offense.
It's, does he, is he so good that he demands that the offense runs through him? Like, that's how you, that's the difference between elite players. There's going to be other good players, but are they so overwhelmingly better than everybody that you have no choice but to throw it to him? And then I just, Brandon, I you real quick, I'm with you, Jay.
I'm actually, I'm going to trade, no, I'm not with you. I'm going to trade Drake London because I think that he's the people are more interested in him. But for Brandon, I you last year was outlandish in terms of efficiency, catching 71% of his, of his targets, having nearly 18 yards a catch. I don't expect it to be like that, but he's, he's just an interesting player to me because as a rookie, 12.9 points per game and 12 games, 12.9 is, is fantastic.
Last year, he was 13.2 and finished as the wide receiver 14. But the year before that, he was at 11.1 yards per game. He's really had one down year. And that was his second year in the league for those who weren't around in 2020.
Do you mean points for game? Yeah. Did I say something different? It just seemed like a 11.1 yards per game.
Oh, yeah. No, no, it would. It would. Points for game.
His sophomore year, if you weren't around for it, he got completely dog housed by Jason with a round for Kyle Shanahan. Jason was in on him because in 12 games, he was averaging almost 13 points per game and a half point scoring format. The next year, human stuff entered the realm and he was by reports being lazy at practice, just not getting along with the coach. So he, it looked like his career was done.
And then eventually as that season went, started to turn things around, my point being of Brandon and I, you has actually been really, really good for fantasy football. And, but I don't think that his, the way that we think about him or his fantasy finish matches how good he has actually been. And don't get over, don't overemphasize the yards per catch because two years ago, 13 yards per catch, very reasonable wide receiver 15. I agree completely that my being lower on Brandon and I, you is not indicative of the quality of the player.
He is awesome. It's the situation in the system, the low passing and the hyper efficiency he has to have to repeat. Yeah, and it's keytradcut. So you're kind of stuck picking one.
All right, let's go with this one. Three running backs on brand new teams. They are currently back to back to back on our consensus 24 rankings. Keep trade cut Aaron Jones, Austin Echler and the Gus Bus and the funny three pack.
I mean, this three pack was way more fun to talk about like four years ago. Yeah. We got that was about two started season as the starting running back in Baltimore. What a great couple days I was looking at.
You know my answer. You know, I'm in a cut. Well, I know we're on opposite sides on Aaron Jones. We're opposite sides on Aaron Jones.
We are. And I think it makes it makes you want to cut Aaron Jones, which is why I pause. Yeah. I'm trying to be unbiased and just look at the actual players here like Echler.
It's a huge question mark there reunited with his offensive or with Anthony Lynn, who he was with in Los Angeles has an opportunity in the passing game should, but really don't know what that's going to look like with Brian Robinson, who I think was very good last year. Gus Edwards, it's all in front of him, but most of his like years are behind him. And then Aaron Jones, you know, they let him go. They moved forward with Josh Jacobs.
I do think it's interesting because you're very, you've been very negative on Josh Jacobs and you don't believe it. And this is the same team that also said we are going to get rid of Aaron Jones to bring in the guy that you don't believe in. And you still believe in Aaron Jones. So it's the process that that went about.
They tried to resign Aaron Jones first. They before bringing in Josh Jacobs, Aaron Jones wouldn't take the pay cut. They let him go. Then they went after another running back because they said, but they lost Aaron Jones who was really good for us.
How good was he? How good was he? Well, the last week, he's counting the playoffs. He had 17 opportunities 24 21 27 22 24.
Super important. He had five straight rushing yard games of over 100. He didn't he didn't lose any close enough. But but but you're taking the onus off the team.
You're like, Oh, he didn't take the pay cut. So they got rid of him for this guy. I don't like like the team could have paid him and like don't take a pick up if you think that that's what you've got. Like why not just pay the guy that's so great.
Why replace him with the guy that you personally do because struggles. I have so much respect for how the Packers run their organization. I would have done the 100% same thing. This is an older back.
They brought him a younger back. I mean, Josh Jacobs, when I say that he is not someone that I think like I'm not positive. He's lost anything. I just see the path.
He was very inefficient last year. He was my fantasy wild card because he could ease. I mean, Josh Jacobs could be awesome this year. And I'll take the L on that.
I lean towards him not being but Aaron Jones just didn't look like a loss of loss of step. You look at Aaron Jones versus Austin Echler last year. You know, obviously Aaron Jones was injured and didn't have a great fantasy season in totality. But when he was out there, he looked great.
Yeah. Sometimes you're not remembering the really bad run in the middle of the season in between multiple injuries. But yeah, you can at least explain it away with injuries where Josh Jacobs, I don't remember like a catastrophic ankle injury. That's maybe I'm just remembering it.
I will be trading Aaron Jones in this situation to Jason. I will be keeping Gus Edwards because I feel like the offense is built around and I'm going to go for the touchdowns. And I'm going to cut Austin Echler and just not have any commander stink on the roster with the just a follow up real quick. The way that the Packers are doing there.
They have to sign Joy Love very soon. Like so they're going to be Joy Love's gamble. I guess whatever both of their gambles but Joy Love is bet on himself. It's going to turn into a gigantic contract because he is technically under contract this year, like this year in 2025 is one of those weird void things.
So did you see the numbers with the wide receiver core compared to what Jefferson's deal? Yes. That they have like 12 million guaranteed to their current wide receiver room. Yeah, that's that's and Jefferson is what a what was the number of guarantee money for Jefferson?
Oh, it's 110 something like that. That's why that's amazing and amazing job by that team. And then did you also see that Tyree kill had to say that being greedy is not going to help your team. Tyree kill on his gigantic contract was that was very funny.
Anyways, sorry, back to the players. These are all philosophically different players. Gus Edwards. Is he good?
At this point, I don't know. But the opportunity is so incredible. And the depth chart is completely beatable. Austin Echler.
He should still work as a pass catcher. And then Aaron Jones to me is the one who has the most juice left. But he's got a young player behind him and Ty Chandler that can really earn reps like tight channel should be on the field. A good amount for the Vikings if they're doing things right.
So having to choose. Yeah, what's your final piece for them? Oh my goodness. I guess I guess I'm keeping Jones.
I have Echler just a few spots ahead of Aaron Jones. But I guess I'm going to take Aaron Jones here and trade Gus. The Gus situation just it never works. It never ever works in old man changing teams to be the guy and for all the reasons of there's no one else there.
The volume has to be there. That's we all scream into the mirror of why didn't this work yet again. So that's that's my fear. I'm going to keep Jones.
You're cutting Gus bus? That's what you just said. I mean, you didn't say it. No, I think you avoided the last one.
I think I'm cutting Gus. That is that is where I am to keep Aaron Jones trade Austin Echler cut Gus only because Austin Echler's a few spots ahead and 80 people in Gus Edwards. So Trey who scores the most touchdowns among the three Gus Edwards who has the most total yards Aaron Jones who catches the most passes Austin Echler. Yeah.
Okay. So what does he say? This is these three are this is a wild three pack. How many of these three will you have on your team?
One one to zero. Yeah, it's one. Yeah, one to zero. Old faithful or old yellow.
Oh, Kyle. That's the name of this one. Oh, that's so sad. Old faithful or old yellow.
These three players are going back to back in the middle of the third round. Now we're talking about the part of old yellow where we're living a great life. No, we have our best friend on that part. No, no, we're talking about the bad part.
The rabies part. Yeah, rabies, right? I just remember. Well, yeah.
Okay. Moving. So old faithful or old yellow Travis Kelsey, Derek Henry, Mike Evans. So 34 years old for Kelsey 30 for Derek Henry, 34 Mike Evans.
Where do you sit? Give me your key trade cut. Man, this is this is I like all three of these players. I really do where they are going right now in the drafts, you know, back, back, back in the middle of the third round.
I think is fine. I could see me taking any one of these players. I'm not anti any of them. That being said, Kelsey has other options for the first time ever.
There's like a four or five pack of potential hopeful Titan ones, you know, and so I don't feel the need to take him in the third round over a running back or wide receiver. So I, I lean Derek Henry. We talked about him recently. And you brought him up on the wild.
Was it the wild card episode? I got explain yourself because I had him in 18. Yes. And you had a lot of data about he needs to have an outlier season in order to be an older running back who's not catching passes who will succeed.
I do think that I mean, I believe that is true, but I also believe that truth happens. Uh, this is, you know, we just talked about Gus Edwards who vacated 13 rushing touchdowns for the same team last year, Derek Henry, Greater sign Gus Edwards. So they brought him in the depth chart there is not scary for Derek Henry. I don't love older running backs changing teams, but if they are, I want him to go to the MVP of the league, uh, at quarterback for a power rushing team.
Uh, I'm going to take their Henry over Mike Evans. So I will keep their Henry. I will trade Mike Evans and I will cut Travis Kelsey. Finally answer for me.
I will go with the same thing. Um, I will prioritize running back in this round over wide receiver to spite. Obviously Mike Evans, he did get, he did get his money. He delivered last year, one of the best picks in fantasy, but I can find, I can find some players I have confidence in at wide receiver beyond my Kevin's at that ADP, um, or at ADP later on.
So I'll go, I'll, I'll match you. I'm keeping my Kevin's. I will trade. Man.
I think I'm trading Derek Henry and I agree with the thoughts on Kelsey. There's just, there's some other guys that may have a chance to knock him off me in the number one, but I'm going to keep the wide receiver over as much as I believe in Derek Henry. He still is a 30 year old running back entering year nine. All right.
Let's take a quick break and come back with some more. All right. We're jumping into more, keep trade cut. This one is late round quarterbacks that could open the year as your starter.
These are all round 10 quarterbacks. We just did a mock draft where two of these guys ended up on Jason's team. So maybe the option is you can take two, but opening schedules could be the tiebreaker between them. Jared Goff, quarterback for the Detroit Lions after the impressive season, Jane Daniels, the rookie Washington who's going to run the football, who's got an opportunity to probably be a better fancy player than an NFL player in year one.
And then Justin Herbert, who is being just tossed aside, just relegated to late round. It brings Andy so much pain to see Justin Herbert this far back. Just me? No, not just you.
It brings me pain too. Justin Herbert is an actual great NFL quarterback. And we, Jason and I were talking more about this. And you know, I think that there's a chance that Justin Herbert's just fine.
And that so as part of the answer here, you could be getting a player that is a perennial, much higher pick that is getting discounted because of the situation losing Keenan Allen and Mike Williams in the offensive structure, or he really doesn't have anybody to throw the football to. Like that is part of the real answer is that Joshua Palmer, he profiles as a wide receiver two, three in the NFL. So far, Quentin Johnson profiles the wide receiver seven or eight in the NFL. Lad McConkie is a rookie.
So you want to put it on here's the problem for Laid McConkie is that okay, maybe he can have some success and be a PPR element player. Also, if he's the best player, you want to rookie getting the attention of the defense and the defense baiting tosses to butter fingers outside. I mean, I if he is, they're bad. Which one's butter fingers?
That's huge. Okay. Yeah, that's huge. Palmer's, Palmer's fine.
Palmer's actually a really good like wide receiver two. Palmer's just the like, he's the understudy for the wide receiver one and two. One hundred. Like the performance is not gonna be as good.
And you wish you had gotten tickets to the other show. But he's so there, like, you know, I go to a Broadway musical and I get that little slip. Yeah. And I'm disappointed.
Yeah. Yeah. All right. Booshy boy.
Not everyone knows what you're talking about. All right. Let's the understudy. Yeah.
Today's performance, the role of so and so will be played by understudy. And then it's like, oh, that stinks, but they're in Broadway. They're on Broadway. Yeah.
That's still a talented person. And there's the NFL. Still be a really talented person. That's what I'm saying.
But you're the Broadway on the ground. It's a perfect analogy. Yes. Thank you.
I knew you'd be on that one. But to answer the question, I'm going to keep Jared Goff. I'm going to trade J. Daniel's on my cut chest and Herbert.
Yes. Yes. All that. All that, like I've so said, just nervous.
I'm cutting you. Snake. He's the clear cut here. Also, when you're in round 10, you need to look at the opening schedule.
And consider that Justin Herbert's beginning to the season scares me. And it scares me specifically because of the Vegas lines. Opens week one with the Raiders. Okay.
You go, oh, he should be able to throw on them. The Raiders are better defense than you think. The team wasn't that good, but their defense was great. The over-under is 43 and a half points.
Not a very, you know, you're not super excited about that. And if it's an easy team, what do you think Hard Dog's going to do? He'll run. Yeah.
If they got the lead, they're going to run the ball. So then the next week they got the Panthers to sweep three to zero victory. Probably a 17 to zero victory where Herbert throws the ball four times. You know what I mean?
Like the over-under there is 41. And then the Steelers, 42, like, it's just not exciting. For me, I'm going to do what I did in the mock draft. I'm going to take J.
Daniel's. Swing for the fence is hope that it's crazy rushing ceiling you saw. I believe it was the quarterback's seven Kyler Murray's rookie year with Cliff, Cliff Kingsbury. And so I'm going to try that first.
So I will, I will keep Jane Daniels cut Jared Goff or I'm sorry, cut Justin Herbert and trade Jared Goff. If I have, if this is like, I'm picking one quarterback and I'm going to ride this out for the whole year, I would take the shot on Jay Daniels. But if this is really just, I want a guy to get me through the first quarter of the season. It's Jared Goff with the Rams, the Bucks, the Cardinals, the Seahawks, the average line, it'll over-under.
It looks like it's, the average is essentially 49 or close to 50 points here. And like, I think Jared Goff is, yeah, he has really, really bad games, but I do think he is being underrated. And I, a fun stat I had Kyle dig up this morning. Sample is unbelievably small, of course, because it's just from last year, but it's three games without David Montgomery.
Their neutral pass rate jumped from 57% to 64%. So should David Montgomery miss time? Like, I think that this team, despite the leadership being as high-teas you can possibly get, if your mere Gibbs is your lead running back, you're going to throw the ball more. But aren't you saying that?
That seems like a negative, because he had that last year baked into his numbers where David Montgomery missed time. As of now, David Montgomery is there. So they should throw the ball less. No, no, I'm saying, no, but he did what he did mostly with the full team.
I'm saying where it's like when you're drafting Jimmy or Gibbs, you know that if David Montgomery misses time, you have now you're going to see an uptick. I'm saying for a quarterback, if this other running back misses time, your pass rate is going to go up. Well, I don't think the best argument is to talk about Montgomery missing time. I think the best argument is that Montgomery got reduced now.
So when Montgomery doesn't get snaps over the back half of the year, last year, Gibbs is on the field, Gibbs catches more passes. They want to use them in the passing game and they depend on golf more. So the Drew Brees effect, where you get a ton of added passing value, just thinking it down to Camara. All right, let's jump into the mailbag and answer a few questions from the footlink.
Mailbag. All right, if you have a question for us, the fantasy footballers.com, click that submit a question button or dial our voice mail hotline 302464TFB. First question, Henry in New Jersey says, I'm a dynasty league. Would you trade the 102 for Pukka Nakua in a half PPR?
What would you do, Jason? I know my answer, which is a way of saying neighbors of Dune's A or Pukka. So I'm very confident in my answer. So I would love to hear your guys's answers.
I'm real confident mine too. I just want to check it out. Yeah, I'm super confident if someone wants to tell me what they're doing. I mean, I'm look, I think, I think it'd be stupid for anybody to answer not Pukka because Pukka's level of excellence was so high that it feels dumb to project it for one of these other players.
Now, if Malik neighbors is equal sign, Jamar Chase, and you had, you know, you go to the future and find that out. Like right now, if you say, okay, do you want Jamar Chase or Pukka Nakua, I think everyone's answering Jamar Chase. So in that case, like if you, I don't think it's wrong to shoot your shot. And I don't know that Pukka Nakua is going to do this every year all the time.
And so I don't mind you taking neighbors. That would be the only pick I would take over Pukka. The range of outcomes is decently wide for both players. This could have been Pukka Nakua's best season threst of his career.
But even if that's true, and that was his best. And now he's just a good wide receiver. We know he's a good wide receiver. He's not going away, but maybe he's not a top five wide receiver ever again for fantasy.
That still doesn't mean that you lose the trade taking Pukka because Corey Coleman, Nikhil Harry, there are an endless list of first round highly-towed wide receivers that just don't actually happen to work out quitting Johnston. Not drafted this side though. Not drafted that. I mean, it's a very small amount that are drafted what was the neighbors?
Five, six, five, just throwing that out there. No, I agree. That's literally looked up Corey Davis. That's when you go Corey Davis.
Yeah. John Ross. Even if he's Mike Williams, that's a disappointment. Right.
So, you know, the hope is that neighbors is much better than Pukka Nakua. He certainly was that way in college drafted to be better than Pukka Nakua. But I would definitely take Pukka. We know he is great for the NFL.
We know he works well with Sean McVay. He's an integral part of a great office. I would take Pukka. But valuing Pukka and Kyren at this point is incredibly difficult.
Is there any chance you take Pukka over Marvin Harrison? I mean, a lot of the arguments we're making. Yeah. No.
Yeah. Jay, it could be a boat. One of the turns of the Pukka to cool up. That he's just young.
That guy said valuing Pukka is a near impossible. Corey Davis was five overall. Yep. Mario Cooper was four overall.
If you have a Mario Cooper's career, I'm not sure you're happier than Pukka. That's why you draft the Mario. Oh, yeah. Mario Cooper was four overall.
Oh, yeah. There you go. Oh, brother. And he was that was the only 14.
He was a camp miss. He was camp miss in the 2014 class where nobody else where he was the only miss. Well, I guess Calvin Benjamin ate his way. Oh, my God.
I see me walking though. I just bring it up. Like, I think the first year he people first year he played. Sammy Watkins at 128 targets.
Yeah. Okay. He never touched that number again. Right.
And he had six touchdowns. The next year he had like nine touchdowns. But he's a tiny little bit of a cursory tale of like you do like Bolton's best years of rookie year. Like Sammy Watkins showed great promises.
Ricky here. None of them were on level with breaking the records of Pukka. But you can go sideways. Yeah.
Yeah, for sure. If you go sideways this year, it could absolutely go sideways this year. I mean, when I look at Sammy Watkins career trajectory, you know, he was drafted so high comes out. He's a wide or super 27 is rookie year his sophomore year.
He's the watershed 17. You know where he's going and it's to the moon. And he, I mean, he was never even a wide or super three again. He was worthless the rest of his career.
McKay Jordan says what Jonathan Brooks be a good draft pick. That's just the whole question. Yep. Yeah.
I'm going to answer the question. I don't think so. I think he's a great traffic and you're using the wrong adjective. Okay.
Jason took him in the mock draft on Tuesday. If Jason had not, I would have selected him right there. He's like, he's in the ninth round right now. That's going to go up over the process of the off season.