Kerry Washington

This episode is brought to you by Uber Eats. Hockey season's here. Uber Eats is delivering game day deals and favorites like Wings, Pizza, Fries, and Snacks. And you can order more than food, like gear to rep your team or fresh batteries for the remote. When your watch party gets hungry, you just need anything.

Order in and keep everyone's attention on the ice. Score great deals on Uber Eats all season long because hockey is for the hungry. Terms apply, product availability varies by Regency app for details. Hello everyone, welcome to another episode of Good Hang. Very, very excited about our guest today.

It is the one the only Kerry Washington. Kerry is so talented. She is so good at so many things. And we're going to talk about a lot of those things today. We are going to talk about growing up in the Bronx.

And how it shaped her and what she learned from being from there. And we're going to talk about her activism, how she stays connected in a turbulent and often depressing world. We're going to talk about Scandal because, of course. And we're going to get to the nitty-gritty in a lot of that. And we're going to talk about an amazing race, a random show that we talk about and talk about how good it is for kids.

We're going to talk about her new TV show, In Perfect Women, with Elizabeth Moss and Kate Mara that's coming out on Apple. All of these things are going to be discussed today. But most importantly, we're going to discuss her with someone who loves her and who is that person fits. That's right, Tony Goldwyn, writer, producer, director, just coming off of directing Shea Joey, a new musical with Sabeon Glover that is hopefully on its way to Broadway. We're catching Tony right after rehearsal.

He's tired and still he can't wait to profess his admiration for his co-star. So let's see if we can get him on the Zoom horn. Tully, are you there? This episode is brought to you by Zoom. Many of us have been there.

The calls were used on out for one second and missed six key points. The quick check-ins that are anything but quick. Because here's the thing. Every conversation creates work. With Zoom, though, the conversation itself can actually move work forward.

Zoom is now a full system of action that can actually complete work from the context of your existing meetings, calls, and chats. No more post-call panic, no more inbox avalanche. You talked about it, Zoom got it done. Visit zoomahead.com to learn more. Toni?

Hi, I'm Yo-Yo. Thank you for talking to us today. Because I have to say that the relationship that you and Carrie had on screen and off screen is really, really wonderful watch. And people are very invested in it. And what I have to say is what I glean from the way you two interact with each other.

It's like deep mutual respect. Deep, deep respect for the way you work and the kind of people that you are. Can you tell us how you first met? My first recollection, we may have met briefly before this, was at the Democratic Convention when Obama became president in 2008 in Denver, which was a really incredible experience. And we kind of became friends through kind of social activism and stuff, but didn't know each other well.

But for me, when Shonda asked me to do scandal and she told me Carrie Washington was doing it, I carry with an actress who every time I saw her in a movie, I found myself going, who is that actress in that role? Because she was so different in every movie she did. And at the end of the credits, I was like, oh my God, that's Carrie Washington. She just was so great in everything I saw that was Ray or Last King of Scotland, I remember seeing her in the scene. But again, totally different than anything.

I think so I was just like, God, I hope I get a chance to work with her. So when Shonda said to me, she's like, are you just playing the president in my new show? And I was like, well, Shonda rhymes writing the president. That's pretty interesting. When she said Carrie Washington, I was like, you and Carrie Washington, I'm in.

Had you known Shonda before? Had you worked with Shonda before? Yeah, I met Shonda. I directed the second or third episode of Grey's Anatomy. Oh, wow.

It was one of the first TV things I did. I directed a couple of movies and then Betsy Beer, Shonda's partner called me and said, you know, we'd like, would you consider doing Grey's Anatomy? And I saw the pilot of that show and said, wow, this is amazing. Of course. And I was just getting used to directing TV.

So I did that and Shonda and I met. And she was brand new to television. Little did we know she was going to become empressively diverse. Yeah, totally. But I knew the second time that Shonda too, I was like, oh, this woman's the real deal.

It's so interesting that you and Carrie met in real life doing political work. I'm really in awe of how she stays connected to the real world while also playing these people. Like those two things don't always happen. She doesn't. First of all, she's like, she's got this amazing husband, Nandi.

She's got, she's a totally fully devoted mom of three kids and, you know, and, and, and her perfect. And yet she's a thousand percent in everything she does. I don't know how she does it. And I can't ask her because she's too modest. She just like laughing my face.

If I was like, you're amazing. How do you do it? She wouldn't take it. Yeah. You know, I, I, I learned a lot.

I learned, I always learned a lot from her. What was it? Like she was kind of the leader of the show. She was number one on that call sheet. We had an amazing cast of great people, all grown-ups, no, you know, jerks in the cast, but, Kerry set a tone-by-example.

She worked hard about anybody. And then that role, she worked so hard. I have a funny story. We have a talk about leading by example. And I think it was maybe our fifth season or something like that, um, uh, to promote, we were going to premier the season.

Good morning America. One of us to be on the show, but they want us to be on as their opening at 7 AM to do it. So we're like, great, great, great, great, great, great, and then I was in the make-up trailer. And so they actually like, Hey, so we're in LA. Wait, seven AM and we'd be like 4 AM.

We have to be here. we're working for everyone sort of bitching and moaning about, I mean, to be, well, I think you have to be in the girls are like, and then we gotta get up at 2.30 to be in hair and makeup. Like, I don't know, do you want to do it? I'm not sure what, did you, and I'm kind of like, well, I don't know, you guys want to, so I don't have to get made up that much. So we're going, what should we do? What do we think? Well, let's just do it. So we were, it was one of those

things of actors kind of taking a whole like, like children, and we go to the Vermont set and one of the Darby and I, Darby Stanfield, a wonderful Darby Stanfield was in our cast. We're talking about it, and Carrie walks into the set on the stage. She's watching to say, all right, and Darby's like, oh, you know, I wonder if Carrie wants to do Good Morning America. Like, you know, I was like, what should you go ask her to see? Well, she feels better. So Darby goes up to Carrie and this is

classic Carrie watching. And Darby goes, Carrie, you know, this Good Morning America thing that's happening at like 7am, then we gotta get here like 2am in the morning and I'm just going to go out and Carrie's like, of course we're doing it. Darby, we're in season 5 and ABC wants to promote us by putting us on Good Morning America. Like, of course we're getting up 2am in the morning to do this. Like, isn't it amazing that they want to put us on their opening up their show and Darby goes, yes. I think it's so fantastic. She comes running over to me and I'm like, yep. Machine.

That's quite a sense of Carrie watching. I mean, I want to talk to her about that because she has this work ethic that's really, really, you can feel it. And it feels very collaborative and inclusive. It doesn't feel like strident, but I'm really curious where she gets it from. I don't know. It's for real. It comes out of a kind of joint passion and some intense inner drive that she

does have. I mean, you know, no one works as hard as she's just something drives her part of it. I think is, I mean, she's a, she has a lot of gifts to give the world, you know, and a limited amount of time to get. Well, I want to ask her about that. How do you stay, you know, how do you stay, how does one stay involved in this time of like deep fatigue and deep like every day is really feels really harder and rougher than the next? And there's a lot of people hurting and a lot of people struggling.

How do you stay? How do you stay in it? It's a big question and she's got an answer for herself, which I think could be useful to all of us. I mean, I want to ask her about that. I sort of have two things that I want to ask. Yeah. What do you want to ask? What do you want to ask?

I told you if I asked her myself, she'd laugh at my face. You know, we talked about her activism and Kerry as an activist. She's not a normal celebrity activist, which is a great thing, you know, people don't get the time and their money and their image and their passion to two things that they care about. Kerry does it on a level like next to me, Jane Fonda. I've never seen anybody like that. She's

become a fully professionalized, fully operational part of her business. It's like she doesn't do anything. If I'm going to do it, I'm going to do it for real and have a major impact. And yeah, so I just would love to hear her talk about how that became so professional, so full on. I guess the second thing I wanted to ask her, which I could never answer to me, is the drive we talked about. And I wonder if it's a parent. When you have that much drive

as a human being, I'm curious if she imparted that to them or is it someone who just lays back and has to dial that back in order to let them be them or find it for themselves? I wonder. It's such a good question. No, we do this. Yeah. How do you lead by example? How do you

figure out what is the right thing for your kid before you go? And those are great questions. And I want to talk to her about both those things and their areas that I want to get into with her. What does it feel like to have done a show that's so still so beloved? I mean, people feel such a connection to that show still. It is and end of those characters. I'll just say,

it reminds me a little bit of when me and Adam Scott talk about our characters on Parks and Rec. Like we love Ben and Leslie's love. Like we love their love. And it feels like you and Kerry both get that where people are into your character's love. Yeah. It's a beautiful thing. It is. It's a constantly amazing. I mean,

I guess because of Netflix and my dad, people just the past month or two have been coming up to me a whole lot going, I just finished scandal. I just discovered, it was just discovering it. I'm like, didn't we finish that seven years ago? And we had such a beautiful, like you said about you and Adam, we had such a beautiful time doing it. And a group of deep friendships were made, which more than any other job I've ever done. I have some really close friends from over the years

that I've worked with. But that group was like your high school best friends for seven years. And we're all still really tight. Well, I'm so appreciate you talking to us. Thank you for the questions. Kerry will be so happy that we talked such a fan. Congrats on that musical.

Cannot wait to see it. Cannot wait till it goes to Broadway. Cannot wait till it wins the Tony. And eventually turns into a film that you. Thanks. I will. I will. Thank you so much, Tony. Thanks for your time.

Bye. You too. All right. Listen up Ralph's King Supers, Harris, teeter food for less Kroger and more are now on Uber Eats and you get 40% off your order of $30 or more. Maybe you're trying a new recipe and need some last minted ingredients. Or maybe the kids made a

mess and you're lower on cleaning supplies than you thought. Whatever you need, you can get it delivered in as little as 25 minutes. So order now on Uber Eats and get 40% off your order of $30 or more with code Kroger2026 plus Uber One members get $0 delivery fees. Orders of $30 or more save up to $25. And it's May 31st, 2026. See out for details.

We're in a denim sandwich. I am so happy that you're here. Thanks for doing this. I'm so excited. I want to start because I'm obsessed with New York kids.

I mean, I grew up in the suburbs of Boston. Kids grew up in New York. They're just where different breed you are. And you grew up in the Bronx. I did. What was it like growing up in

the Bronx? Little Carrie, what was the Bronx like when you were growing up? The thing about being from the Bronx and I just did a speech about this a whole entire speech because I was presenting Jennifer Lopez with an award and she and I went to the same Boys and Girls Club in the Bronx. And I was saying in the speech that the Bronx is like the underdog borough. It's like the forgotten borough.

You know, like Brooklyn had Spike Lee and Queen says all the airports and the cemeteries and like a story up. But the Bronx is like a forgotten borough and people don't expect much of you when you're from the Bronx. And so there's like a hustle. There's a certain kind of hustle and determination to make it if there's something you want to do. There's a different kind of strength and resilience, I think, from people who are from the Bronx. I agree. It feels like and also Fred Armisen

does a really funny bit about this. Fred does all the accents of different parts of New York. And he always talks about the Bronx. Yes. And how it's even the word with an X in it.

Yes. It has an X. It's also the only borough that has a the in front today. You don't take the Brooklyn. The Bronx. It's like a thing. Yes. It's a whole thing. It's so true. And there's a fine,

I was a working class vibe certainly. Yes, for sure. And a sense of pride. But you're right. There is a there is a it's like a scrappy, squirky hustler vibe to it that I'm really proud of.

Yeah. Super. I don't think I would have the things I have or if I have to tell you, I this is a little bit of a tangent. But I have to get I don't want to forget this. When I this morning when I got up, I was thinking about I was prepping for the interview.

You said I was like, I remember my first time 100 dinner that I ever had the blessing to attend. You were one of the time 100 recipients and your speech changed my life. It was extraordinary. Because you got up. It was like you stood up at the tables. You remember this?

Everybody stood up in the room in the tables and you thanked your nanny. That's who you thanked in your speech. Yeah. Oh, my own my nannies. Nannies a lot. And I was thinking about it this morning because

it really moved me. I got very emotional. But I was like, I wasn't even a mom then. I wasn't a mom yet. And I think like now when I think about it, it's one of the things I love about you because you do credit the people who make it possible. Right. And I know like I'd be nothing without the support

that I have with childcare home all that. But also I think growing up in the Bronx, my grandmother, like I went to a very fancy Upper East Side. I went to the same school as Gwyneth. I went to the fancy Upper East Side school. My grandmother used to cook and clean houses in that neighborhood.

And so I think there was a part of me that when you got up and thanked your support team, your home staff, it made me feel like my family was seeing. It made me think of my grandmother. And you were thinking that other people like to ignore or pretend don't exist or want to like marginalize. It just was so moving. Carrie, thank you for saying that. I think people like to make the hardworking

class often invisible. Yes. And also it's just me and the other women because it's like nobody's doing this well. Nobody's doing this by themselves. That's right. You don't get more credit by making

other humans invisible. It doesn't make you more perfect. Well, I feel like a lot of the work that you do is exactly that is making sure that people feel visible and feel seen. Like whether it's the art you're making or the stuff that you're fighting for. Yeah. Yeah. And it makes sense to me that like

it would impact me that way. Yeah. And I heard it that way. Yeah. Before I passed by J-Lo. Yeah.

Yeah. Just a little mic drop on J-Lo. Yeah. She taught me how to dance. Can you just tell us that?

What do you mean? So we had this dance teacher named Larry Maldonado. And Larry was a dream. Larry taught me so much. He was like this very eccentric gay man, dance teacher. And he ran the dance program

at the Boys and Girls Club. And he got really sick in the 80s. Like a lot of people did. And Jennifer is not that much older than me, but she's a little bit older than me. So she was one of the big girls at the club. And so when Larry went into the hospital, she started teaching dance.

Wow. She was teaching the little girls classes. So I mean, if I was like eight, she was 16 or something like that. But she was teaching her, I learned like hip hop and flamenco and like, I learned to dance from Jennifer. She's never hired me to dance in any of her videos. But I don't know what that says.

Yeah. That's wild. It's so crazy. Because when you're that age and there's like a 16 year old girl, they're just and they're good. They're the most beautiful, talented. Yes. I remember right before

she left to go off to Elay to pursue her dream of being famous. She did this duet dance with Larry. So he must have gotten better and was back. And it was like very risque. But we weren't supposed to watch it. The little girls were like, no, this is not for you. It was like later on in the

dance program. But we all hid in the wings because we could not watch it. It was beautiful. She was beautiful. It was just, yeah, she's always been a real inspiration for me.

So cool. What a fun that like, like, to use a Gwyneth term, like sliding doors moment. Yeah, totally. See you again in 20 years in a different way. And you went to spend.

And you were in mid-summer night stream with Gwyneth. It's the only time I've ever worked with her. You've not worked with J-Lo or Gwyneth since. No. You guys are good. We have history. I'm available.

Gwyneth, Jennifer. Who were you in mid-summer because I was also in that play? Who were you? You were Puck. I wish. Who were you? I was Pease Blossom.

Of course you weren't a fan of Pease. I was a fairy too. And I don't remember which one. I know they're all names. You might have been Pease Blossom. I was like a background dancer.

Yeah, same. Did you know, I feel like you could do many things well. You do do many things well. My kids would argue with you. But I like that you think that.

And I feel like there's probably a point in your life where you had to have a real, like, you grew up around a lot of artists. You knew from an early age that you were a creative person. But did you make a decision? Like, I'm going to be an actress? Yeah, I did.

And what age? So I was halfway through college. Okay. Yeah, pretty late. Yeah, pretty late.

And I went to college on an acting scholarship, which I didn't even know existed. But and it was sort of like being on a basketball scholarship. Like, I had to audition for all the plays. I really got benched. I got to do a lot of theater. Right. And so that was maybe the beginning of being like,

oh, people will give me money, like significant amounts of money to do this because it was helping to pay for my education. But then halfway through college, I did this summer conservatory program at Michael Howard Studios in Chelsea in New York. And that was the first time in my life that from the moment I woke up, you know, to the moment I went to bed, all I did was actually there was no like hiding behind other classwork or being an academic or it just was like, I was just an artist all day long every day. And I was so happy. You loved it. I was so happy. Yeah. And I was doing like

clown work and improv and scene study and acting as a business class. And I just was like, I couldn't get enough. Yeah. I wanted to sleep there. And I just I was like, I was like, I, so I thought, okay, I'm going to try to do this. I gave myself one year after college. And I was like, if I can get a

significant job in this year, then I'll go for it. And at the same time, I had like the workbooks next to my bed to study for the LSAT. That's what I get for LSATs. Interesting. I thought maybe grad school for psych, but I, but that even what is like, I'm going to try for law school first. And in a, again,

sliding doors way, you would be what kind of lawyer right now. I'm thinking of like all spare. I'd be like a bad, I'd be like a bad, I'd be like a slow or sexy Sarah Paulson. Yeah. But I don't know. I think that's what I'm reading. Whatever is sexy. I'm real. I don't know.

Maybe I'd be like, gonna live me a pope. Maybe the like the souls or the energy in your life gets to no matter how you know. So maybe I would have been a crisis person. And I figured out how to be that person. I mean, my mom who desperately did not want me to be an artist, she's a professor of education. And she was like, I just, I don't want you to starve. She just the idea of a starving

art. Okay. And I brought my parents with me the first time I was at the Emmys. The first time I was nominated at the Emmys, I brought them and sitting at the governor's wall. My mom's like cutting into her steak and I was like, anybody starving? She was like, you're doing okay. But I think,

oh God, I lost my train of fauci. No, I was not a humble story to tell. No, I love that story. And also what I feel like is, is you gave yourself a year and in that year something's happened. Yes. What was the break? You're good at this. Yeah, I'm gonna. Thanks. Let's break. You're so

good at this. You kept track. That's really my one job because you're not intimidated by the tangents. I love the tangents. And honestly, if you care to know, I think about the tangents, I don't know if you think I'm much more of a visual great learner and rememberer. So I think

about a tangent when you're talking, I think about literally a line going out like this and I picture it going out like that. And I'm like, just don't forget to get it. I actually visualize it. So I don't forget it. Do you do that in your improv work? Like when you're doing, when you're doing

a similar way, more and more, I'm learning that I visualize things in order to remember them. Like, I try to give it some kind of like picture in my mind. But yeah, because you have to in the scene work, let it go some you have to be open to the exploration, but then also remember you've got to land the plane. So your first big break, see, did you see that magic? Did you see that happen?

So you consider your because there's a lot of things that could be your first break. I think, so I gave myself this year and in that year, I booked my very first film, which was called Our Song, which is actually having its 25th anniversary. Wow. And it was this really tiny, scrappy independent film. I mean, our entire transport department consisted of like four Metro cards and pressed in the US exactly. We had an award-doped apartment. I mean, it was,

it was an incredible experience because it was, we were stealing shots on the subway, we didn't have permits, but it was a story of these three girls wearing up in Brooklyn. And I wanted this part so badly. I learned to be in a marching band to be in the movie because it was about a summer in these three girls lives in Brooklyn that are all part of this marching band. It was the best experience. When I was a kid, we lived in this high rise that was across the water from LaGuardia Airport. And we were like in a flight path where at the 12th floor, the top floor, these

airplanes would fly by when I was a kid. And I would always want to be on those airplanes, like, where are they going? I wanted to be on those planes, like explore other places and have adventures. And when we were filming our song, we were stealing shots on the A train in Far Rockaway, close to Kennedy Airport. And I remember sitting on the train and a plane going over and thinking, nope, there's nowhere else I want to be. I want to be right here. How cool. Doing what I'm doing.

You can't put me on a plane right now. I am like in, this is it. This is it. I'm in the pocket. That's such a cool feeling. I mean, you kind of wish it for everybody. You do. Whatever they're doing,

they realize like, this is exactly what I want to be. Yeah, I wish that for my kids. I wish it for myself. Yeah. Like project to project. Sometimes you sign on for something and you're like, oh,

this is exactly what I thought it would be or better. Like, this is better than I could have imagined. And it feels so good. And sometimes you're like, what time is lunch? Yeah. I know. When you,

when did you first, we're lucky to be doing what we do? I think it's really hard. I think it's as hard as go mining. I think acting is great. Acting is harder than brain surgery. I don't know why more

actors don't win the Nobel Prize. Yeah, I agree. Because we bring peace. When people talk about brain surgery, I'm like, try acting honestly, seriously, for one thing. Because I'm like in your brain doing surgery. Exactly. I'm in a foreign place. You know what I mean? Yeah, multiple patients a year. Who's

starving now? Tell me when you first heard about scandal. Was it written for you? I mean, Shonda, one of one. She's one of one. What an incredible, like, you know, I'm a human. So it was an idea

out there that you heard about. And did you feel like I have got to get that? So, you know, there's been a lot of talk when Scamma came out, a lot of the headlines were like, this is the first time that a black woman is leading a network drama in almost 40 years. Like it hadn't happened in my lifetime. I'd never seen it. So you can imagine that when word on the street was that

there was a show that was starring a black woman that was going to be on ABC. Like, people went crazy. Everybody wanted to read for it. And God bless Shonda. She was like, I didn't have the heart to say no.

So she read everybody from like 15 to 85. Everybody wanted to be a little bit over. She read everybody. She met with tons of people. I heard about the project and I was really a film actor. It was that

time like film actors were starting to do television. I had done Chris Rock. I had done Ray. I've done last year in Scotland. So I was like, I was like the good luck charm. Like if you hire me to play your

wife, you went into Academy of War, or Swickor, Jamie Foxx. So I wasn't hesitant to do television, because I was starting to see that there were these incredible women like Glenn Close, doing damages. You know, you were starting to see it that there were opportunities for women to play anti heroes and have like more rich experience in television and movie stars were doing more TV. So I wanted to read the script. I was like, if it's great, I'll consider it. And I read it. And I was

like, oh, I was one of those things where I threw the script across the room because I was like, this is, I have to play her. It's for me. Like, no, I have to be unfortunate. There were like 10 other actresses who felt the same way. And so we all auditioned. And auditioned. And she'd come in and come in.

I met with her first because I was at a certain place in my career. I could do a meeting first. So I met with her. And I remember getting off the elevator. And there was a huge sign that said Shonda Land. And I was like, Oh, I don't know about this. Right. Like it's your land. Right.

Like, what does that mean? Right. I have a country I live in. Yeah, you always want to be careful when people say their own name too much is you know, you never know. And then I sat down with her.

And I was like, I'm in. Yeah, like I will give up my citizenship. We're in this land of yours. It was a just I loved her. It's interesting. You have to play a character who has to kind of like take care

of other people. Yeah. And do you feel like in playing that character, you learn anything about how you take care of other people in your life? Like, are you a fixer? I could and almost did write an entire book on the things I learned from Olivia. She taught me a couple chapters. The biggest thing

was she and I feel like you'll really understand that she taught me how to be a number one, like at work and in my life. She taught me how to like step into leadership and not shy away from it and to be team captain to not be afraid of it. That whole like it's my name on that door. Like, she taught me to not be afraid of that. Because I always thought, I mean, I had this role model of Jennifer Lopez, but I was like, I'm not that like, I'm not that pretty. And I don't dance like that. And I

just, I thought, I'm never going to be the kind of actor who's like on the cover of magazines. I'm just going to, my goal was to have a career where I could pay the bills, do a few commercials a year, do a lot of theater and like just live a happy artist life. So she really taught me like to not be afraid to step into more. Yeah. And that was cool. And that was extraordinary. And yes,

I think there was, there is with her, I don't know if she taught me how to be a fixer. I think I brought a lot of that to her. Yeah. Like it was written that way. I mean, I invented it, but I already understood the need to want to make things around me better. Yeah. And to help people and to like,

that's in me. It's a little bit of like an only child thing and maybe a little bit of my own codependency. Like there, there is something in me that wants to help other people. I mean, even that joke, I made about like, if you hire me to play your wife, you'll win an Academy Award. Like, I do take a lot of pride in the fact that I think when I go home and I want to know not only that I did my best work as an actor, but I take a lot of pride in helping other actors do their best work across from me in the scene. Sure. I want my scene partner to be like, whoa, you know, you can do

things to like push each other and make it better. And like that idea of the water, we all rise together. I love that. I love helping people win. I think that's the best thing about TV is like, when you're locked into a part that you love and with people that you love, like I know you love Tony, you love your cast. Like you're in a marriage, you're really in like a long marriage where you

have to like each other. Yes. Yes. It's family. It's really interesting because this is like what the fans don't want to hear, but I really am so grateful for the healthy relationships I was able to have. Also, the men on that show, like, hopefully Antonio Goldwyn, like I love their wives,

they love my husband. Like, there's so much. Okay, well, let's talk about this is people ship you guys all the time. And we, by the way, we like to fuck with people. Like we, I post stuff all the time with Tony, like, and that's how you can tell everyone's secure. Yes. Yes. That's how you can tell the key

because you can tell that everybody's feeling totally fine and enjoying it. Because when people don't do that, then you can't fuck around. That's the sandbell. Hey, no, but I mean, it is, it's like, what that's what the sense I got from watching you two work together and, and full disclosure, we talked to Tony for this podcast. What? Why did he tell you? I'll tell you. I love him so much.

No, and he said anything bad, I'll tell him. And, um, like, anybody likes my husband better than he likes me because that's the truth. Well, I'm obsessed with your husband. I am too. And he was so funny on the croll show.

So funny. So funny. I love him. Yeah. And two, okay, so you're saying, like, you guys were able to have a healthy working, appropriate platonic relationship where you were able to discover these characters together and enjoy the fact that people love them together.

Yes. We, I love that people ship them. I love it. I love it so much. I love the people getting to argue with like, Oh, Lake, oh, let's all that stuff. It's, I love it. And I love that,

you know, that we gave people romance, you know, that we gave people escapism, that we, that we made people think, that we made people feel, I love all of that. You had two kids while you were doing your show. Yes. I also had children when I was doing its show. It's very hard.

Isn't it? Why? I don't think I really knew that. I mean, I never really sunk in that you, you were, because my kids were being hidden behind boxes and product bags. So you had them both, so you were, you had, you were pregnant and gave birth on both, with both during show.

Yes. Dang. Yes. That's hard. That's hard. I'm just gonna, that's all. I have no question.

Because it's hard. It's hard. It's hard. It's hard. But also, I was so, so blessed because Shonda also had young kids and we built a playroom on the lot and Viola had a daughter and had to get away with on the same lot. And so we would, we had this play, like I had my kids at work with me all the

time. That's awesome. I figured out how to nurse during, you know, camera turn around. So I was like, I need 15 minutes. Get on. And I just, I loved it. I love my kids are set kids. They're set kids.

They look, they are comfortable on a set, which is important because I went with my mom to when she was teaching, I went to her office and I would sit in her lecture halls and I want them to know that what I do is work, that I'm working. You know? Okay. We talked to Tony. Yes. Okay. Oh, yeah. I forgot. Okay. What did he say? I mean, he's, he's your biggest fan.

Oh. And you know, there's so many things about you that like, you know, I mean, we talked about like, the fact that you're the amazing activist that you are, the way that you stay engaged with the world, the way that you make sure that you use your currency for good and how important it is to you and how impressive it is to people. I mean, you have been working tirelessly for a long time and talking to people about what matters to you and what matters to this country and what matters to the world. How do you stay engaged right now, Carrie? It's tough. It is really tough.

And people are feeling super fatigued and really feeling numb and checked out and feeling disconnected and feeling discouraged. How are you staying connected and not opting out any advice? You know, that toxic positivity thing that people talk about? Like, just wear a vest. Yeah, right?

I'm, I'm, I don't want to do that. I know. I mean, I, I don't want it, but this is not that. No, I don't think it is, but it is, you're right. It's always like, you don't want to be like, it's going to be great.

I mean, no, no, it's bad. It's horrible. Y'all, y'all, y'all, it's bad. Yeah. But I also don't want to bury my head in the sand. Yeah. Because I think it's really important to

to stay open-hearted and to ask myself, what am I willing to do? Because that's changed also. Like, I think every day, each person and every day, there's a different level of what we can give. So I keep trying to ask myself, like, what am I able to do today? And some days it's like, March for six hours for no kings with my entire family and make seven posters and do it all. And some days it's like,

I don't know, I don't need $5 to a community organization. You know, like, there's different, but to not do nothing, to really like ask of myself to not do nothing because we can all be doing something whether and you know that it's time, treasure or talent. Like, no matter who you are, you have something you can give and it can change over time. But I think we all have to be leaning into solution, like in little ways. The other thing I just want to commend you on is, and it's definitely from a social media perspective, is you also make things seem fun. And I know that that word

fun can feel like, I don't know, not weighted enough, but it is important. Because when you ask people for their time, their energy, it's really hard. I mean, people have really complicated lives. Yeah. And when you ask them to join into something, if it looks like it's a drag, yeah, if it looks like it's a drag, they're like, I'm already pretty sad. Yes.

You know, like, so true. Like, I can take care of my family and like, I hope those other sad people are also hanging on, but I'm sad too. But there's something about the way I find and how you talk about things and like thinking about Tony showing up for things, a good example of that, instinct to want to make it interesting for you. Like, just this idea of like, how can I involve people is it's not an easy thing to do. So I would say two things about that. One is that I learned

from two extraordinary women, Eve Ensler, who are the vagina monologues and Jane Fonda. And I used to be on a board, like the board, the V board we called it for the vagina monologues, and which was went from being a plate of being a global movement and violence against women. And those two women really throughout my life have taught me that when you're feeling isolated alone and afraid, if you plug into community, community activism in particular, but when you plug into community into like, making bread for somebody else or making cookies or driving somebody else's kid to school or just checking on a girlfriend who you haven't heard from in a long time, like, plugging into community actually helps you feel better. But it being a part of something bigger than you actually is like a balm for your soul. This episode is brought to you by Apple Watch.

Your heart tells the story of your health. And with the new Apple Watch Series 12, you can understand it better than ever. It's got this new readiness score, which based on your activity, vitals and sleep basically tells you whether it's a let's go or do less stay. I'm always trying to navigate that. And it's now backed by the most accurate heart rate sensing in a wearable.

So you can trust what it's telling you. Visit apple.com slash Apple Watch Series 12 to learn more. iPhone 11 or later required readiness score is for wellness purposes, only a not for medical use. Heart rate accuracy based on Apple conducted study August 2026. Visit apple.com slash HR accuracy.

This episode is brought to you by Marshals. Fall fashion is well and truly on the way and Marshall's buyers are hunting down the must have items you deserve. For the right price. That means every trip to Marshall's is a chance to find an everyday staple, a show stopping hidden gem or your next obsession with new items arriving every day. Stop by Marshall's today to find more quality, more style and more value than you ever expected. Visit marshals.ca to find a store near you.

This episode is brought to you by enterprise. Sometimes you need a car to get through a scenic drive across the Rockies. Sometimes you need it just to get through Tuesday. Whether it's a weekend getaway or your car getting towed away, a ride to the meeting or meeting your in-laws, enterprise can help you find a ride for everything you planned for and anything you didn't. With a wide range of vehicles, over 700 locations in Canada and a team that's as dedicated as a hockey parent at a 5 a.m. Practice, whatever life throws at you, enterprise is here for it. Find your ride

at enterprise.ca. This episode is presented by Amex. You know that move where you refresh a ticket page over and over like somehow your persistence is going to impress the internet. We've all done it during meetings, waiting in line while recording this, maybe. But that's where Amex Platinum comes in. Get access to front of the line, Amex pre-sale tickets,

and Amex reserve tickets to some of the most in-demand concerts, theater productions, and special events often before the general public. Then when the big night arrives, access to the Amex card member entrance at select venues can help you get to where you're going a little faster. There's nothing like Amex. Tickets are subject to availability, terms, and conditions apply. Learn more at amex.ca slash y amex. Tony talked also again about like your incredible mothering.

One of his questions was, oh, we had a question? Yeah, so I was taking questions. Okay, good. So you've directed- No, no, no. That's by the way. You shouldn't take a question.

Don't you just be like, I'd rather not answer. No. I remember doing one of our first, it was like our first all cast appearance on Good Morning America with a scandal cast, and none of them had done a lot of press before. Right. And I had done all these movies, and so I was like, you guys, here's the number one thing to remember, because they came into the green room and they were like, something was going on with Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt or something, and they came in the green room and they were like, do you guys, do you mind if we ask you and I said we'd rather not talk about that?

And the whole cast was like, oh, you can say that. No matter what anybody asks you, just say what you want to say. Always say that to people. Just say whatever you want to say. Answer whatever question you want. If someone says, you know, there's difficult things going on at home,

you can go, I mean, I think at the end of the day, what's important about us as a community. There you go. Answer whatever you want. That's it. That's right. It's your interview. The person

forgets what they even asked. If you're good enough, you know why? They don't know to come back. They don't know. They don't know. They don't know. They don't know how to get back in a- And if they come back

with like, but what I asked about, then you're like, oh, I think we're out of time. You're like, I can't, it's weird. I can't hear you. Speaking of therapy, my therapist used to say something that was always like, making me laugh. When someone asks the appropriate question, like, we're talking not like reporters, but let's say like a friend or a colleague who has something appropriate. And if

you want to stall for time, you know, like our instinct is to like react to. What an interesting question. I say it all the time. I love that. I say it all the time. I'm so curious why you ask

that all the time. Are you just like, that's a great question. What a good question. I wonder what made you ask that question. Can you unpack that for me a little bit more? Yes. Where did that come from?

Where did that question come from? And then they go, okay, what was Tony's question? His question was, yeah, your intent to inner drive when it comes to you have this inner drive, which he really respects. Okay. When it comes to being a mom, is it something you like want to instill in your children? Oh,

like, and it's kind of what we talked about. Like, how do you push or do you push? How do you figure out like, you have a very strong work ethic. I do. I'm like a longshoreman of acting.

I mean, I promise we will cut this part and I'll keep it in. But if you've ever done the any of your grand test, you can keep it in. I've done it. I don't remember. I don't remember.

Very any of your three to me. It's really interesting. But anyway, I feel like Reese's, I feel like she told me she's a three. Oh, she's a big time. I would say. So whenever I am,

I remember I told her she'd done and she was like, Oh, I don't like those. And I was like, but we're friends. And then I changed her mind. Any of your M7 wing six thing for her. Oh, see, I love this about you. I didn't know cutting all this out. Do you,

are you an astrology person also or just a non-sexual? No, that is non-sexual. I'll leave it in for a moment. No, you're a neurology. And he was wondering if your drive, like how do you do you try to instill that? And your kids,

you want to lead by example. How do you because I think what's underneath that. And what I think is interesting is what I started with is that you can do many things well and you work really hard. How do you instill that in your children or do you think about this because I feel like they don't have that thing of being from the Bronx? Right.

They don't have that scrappy wrestler. At least they weren't born in the neighborhood that I I think produced it in me. And so I wonder where they'll find it. Yeah. I see, my kids are really resilient.

And I see it mostly in sports. That's like their opportunity, their place where that gets. So what kind of sports mom are you? Do you go to the games? I go to the games.

And do you cheer? I do, and much to the dismay of my children, because I'm like a loud cheer. Are you a, after the game, let's say they have a game and it doesn't go well when you say to them. There's no wrong answer here. Really?

I mean, unless you like berate them, which I know you wouldn't, but. I'm like, can you look good? How do you, how do you like to approach, I really try to be directed by them. Like I try to figure out how they are feeling about it. Yeah.

And ask a lot of questions. I don't try to like make it better immediately. I try to just like, if I, if there was a visual metaphor for it, I try to like sit on the bench with them. And just like look where they're looking, just give it some time. It's funny that you do that.

I find that there's a lot of good conversations when people are looking forward in the car. Yes. With kids, especially. Walks in the car. That like thing of like, I'm just gonna be here.

Like let me know, like was that hard? Do you feel good? Yeah. I heard a really cool thing one time. Again, probably just read it on Instagram.

Did definitely read it in a book. Definitely read it in a book. I heard it on commercial. I heard it on YouTube. Like where did you get that?

And she's like, well, not to sound like you, but I read it in an article. I'm like, what article? Like time for kids? She's like an article. But I read something once or again, saw something one time that was like, actually, like I loved this metaphor, act like a, a small town reporter with your kids.

So just repeat back to them what they just said is if you're writing it down in a small notebook, it will feel so hard. It works. Yes. And it was like the less questions you can ask the better. So they're like, that was a bad game.

That was a bad game. I stopped. I didn't play well. You didn't play well. But you don't say why.

The questions can sometimes kind of stop the, because all you want them to do is talk. Yes. Oh, that's so good. And then if you want, you can kind of like give them a headline back. So it was a bad game you didn't play well.

Oh, wow. And they're just like, yeah. And then pause. Because the coach said whatever. Yes.

The coach said whatever. We just want to be witnessed. The human beings, we just want to be witnessed and heard. And that's such good. I hear you.

I see you. That's good. Is that a good way to think about it? Really good. And as opposed to what my instincts sometimes to do is like, well, you know what I would do.

You know what I think you should say. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And I always ruin it at the end. Yeah. You've directed a lot. You love directing. I love directing a lot.

What do you love about it? I haven't directed it as much as I would like to. So I need to do more. I'm saying that here. And you walk in kind of you've walked in other people's shows.

Like you walked in and you did smell if you did. It's secure. It's secure. Like I love directing. What's it like to walk in a show that's already running?

It's so fun. I mean, especially if I love the show and I love the creatives. And I just, I think the thing I love about directing is that thing I was talking about with acting. Like I love to help other, I love to help create an environment where other people can do their best work. And to help push people toward excellence.

To like unlock the things that are going to make other people better, whether it's set design or acting or a score. Like just getting into a situation to help other people do what they do best. I love that. I love that. Yes.

I love it. Yeah. And do you think you want to, I mean, have you directed a feature? I haven't. So that should be next.

Yeah. I think so. Yeah. I think so. I'm a lot of time.

I'm a lot of time. So I did this movie with Ben Affleck, the senior. And he was like, you need to find a feature to direct. And I was like, I have to find a feature that I like enough to spend that much time away from my amazing husband and children. Have you ever heard Sarah Pauli talk about any of this stuff and amazing directors?

She talks a lot about me too. And when she did women talking, which I thought was amazing, she talks a lot about how, you know, there's this, you know, we obviously were always trying to like write the imbalance of not enough female directors, not enough discussion about the fact that like women, and with kids, you have to give up a lot of time. And that she was like hoping and kind of working towards this idea that you could have these humane ways of working where more women could direct. And she talked about that movie. Yeah, that she had women on her crew be able to kind of like what Shanda did, like bring kids to work, try to keep our shorter, try to keep prep more remote, whatever it was so that more women were incentivized.

Cause it is like, it's like, it's really, really hard to be away. It's a life choice. Yeah. So on this film with Ben, he likes to be home with his kids at for dinner. And so we were done filming every single day by 637.

And then I was out before drop off, but I was home for dinner and bedtime at homework to the point where my son was like, mom, is your part not babe? Like why are you, like he was worried for my career? He's like, why are you home every night for dinner? Did you get fired? Are you like pretending to act during the day?

He was going on an outfit and sitting in your car. He was like, mom, I'm on it. He's like, I'm okay. I'm honest. I know, I have a really big part.

He was like, mom, mom is okay. It's okay. There are no small parts, mom. But that's so humane. And so on imperfect women, it was this extraordinary experience of all three leads were all moms.

Let's talk about this. Who's in imperfect women with you? I'm Zee Moss and Kate Mera and myself. I mean, most of our directors are moms, all of our producers. I mean, it was such a family-friendly set.

And it was great because the show is really told from three points of view. So basically for like a third of the show, I was number one on the call sheet, a third of the show, Kate Mera was number one on the call sheet, and a third of the show, Lizzy was number one on the call sheet. So we got to all like star in a show, but we all had lots of time to like do other things. Like in Lizzy's episodes, I'm sort of a glorified extra. I'm like number six, even though I'm not.

But it feels like I'm one of the ensemble. And so it was a really wonderful way to share the load and the pressure of what it takes to lead a limited series because we really shared that responsibility. That's really cool. So fun. And also it's really great because you got to flex.

Like everybody got to do really meaty. I mean, these women, Kate Mera and Lizzy Moss, are the best of acting. Just extraordinary talent. I mean, I've just, we re-watched the Mad Men recently. Oh, so good Lord.

So good. Elizabeth Moss is. She's extraordinary. She's a treasure. She is an incredible actor.

And another amazing director. She's an incredible director. I am not surprised. You like me, you've been in the business a long time. And you've seen it change.

And like, and expand and grow in the way things. What was that that I just did? You just did it all day. Oh, that was a long time, baby. Remember, did you ever smoke cigarettes?

So casually. I was like a weekend smoker. I was never a real cigarette. I know never a bought cigarette. Well, not really.

Only for like a boy I really liked. And we shared them. But I wasn't like a real, and then always it was because I would start smoking because of a character. And then get, you know, I was like kind of method with the smoking. Nothing else, just the smoking.

Yeah, no. Do you have any like, vices right now that you try to get rid of? Anything. I try, honestly. So this question, I don't like the guilty pleasure question.

Because like, if I'm not killing anybody, then I don't want to feel guilty about my pleasure. That's right. My pleasure is good. What about your hobbies? Like, do you like fake food?

But this I know came from. Yes. I know. You gave me that. And there's three.

Yes, should I brought you fake food? Not at all. But I just realized something today, and not to put you on the spot. It's not a psychological test. And you're a therapist.

Julie? Nope. Well, mine. But you've got three different types of burgers there. Where's the candle?

And I would love to know which one you'd like to pick. And for people that are listening, we've got a candle cheeseburger. We've got a wooden cheeseburger, and we've got a squishy. That she went for the squish. You know who else went for the squish?

Michelle Obama. Oh! I mean, water seeks its own level. This is so satisfying. Yeah.

Excuse me. I have a moment. Yeah. ASMR. And I'm not going to feel guilty because it's pleasure.

Yeah. Do you enjoy? Do you have any like? I love dark chocolate. I'm a big dark chocolate girl.

And are you like a, is there any admitting hobby situation? I really like kitsungi. Excuse me? I do not sneeze. Come on.

You want to Google it? Well, you tell me what it is. So it is the Japanese art of putting broken pottery back together again with gold. Oh, wow. It's so beautiful.

Oh, wow. The pieces are so beautiful. And so I had read about it a long time ago. And then I had this beautiful pottery that my mom and dad bought for Nandi and I for our 10-year anniversary. And I had like a Bible verse around the edge.

It was handmade. It was beautiful. And my kids were playing ball in the house and they broke it. And they, I was, I was able somehow miraculously to regulate my nervous system in the moment and not yell. I was like, oh, and they were devastated.

My son was like crying. And I remember kitsuki. And I was like, I'm going to put this back together. And so I found this private teacher. This was the last year on my birthday.

And I went and brought her these pieces and we put this all back together. And the art, the philosophy of this art is that by not making the cracks disappear, but by highlighting them with gold, you actually bring beauty to the broken spaces and you honor that the places where we are wounded and broken are what make us most beautiful. It's just so special. It's very like meditative and beautiful. And so now my friends give me their broken plates and balls and things.

But yeah, I really enjoy that. Oh, great. By the way, what a nice thing for your kids to also see too. Like we make mistakes. It's okay.

There's a lot of people when they ask for it. So now we're part of the bowl too. Because it's our anniversary bowl. They, of course, they had to be a part of it. Oh, that's so nice.

And honestly, it reminds me of your memoir. It reminds me of thicker than water, which was amazing. I mean, that was very artful. What you just said there. That was super good.

It's all kitsungi. But it does because it reminds me of what you spoke about. And you spoke about it. You've spoken about your experience recently learning more about your family and learning and you wrote beautifully about it about, in an attempt to kind of find your roots, your family kind of informed you like, hey, the way maybe you thought this family was a little lie. You've been lied to for four decades.

And that you were born with artificial insemination. And from a donor. From a donor. And you spoke so beautifully about it. And honestly about it.

And I guess my question here is now is some time you kind of the books out, you've spoken about it. How do you like to talk about it now? I really enjoy talking about it because it's been such a healing journey for my family. Like we're in such a better place than we used to be. And we were, we kind of had a picture perfect to ask for a working class family from the Bronx.

We were like as perfect as it gets. Or so we performed to be. And now there's like a real genuine closeness and authenticity and truth between us. That's so special. I'm just so, so grateful.

So I really like talking about it. They're just, my mom said this thing. We were being interviewed. I think by Robin Roberts and my mom said, you know, we're just not as afraid to hurt each other as we used to be. And that's huge.

That's huge. Safety in relationship that trusts that like things are hard, but you'll get through it. I don't know. There's just like so much allowing now in our family and grace. So much more truth and grace than there used to be.

It's just such a gift my parents gave me by telling me this truth about who I am and who we are. Yeah, it's so awesome. Well, from what I know about you is you love to laugh. I do. You do.

I really do. What is making you laugh these days? What is like a way where you practice tuning out or enjoying yourself or like who, what do you watch, read, is it a, isn't you have something? Well, I think it's a podcast. Does everybody say that?

No, no, no, no. This podcast is amazing. Carrie, thank you. The big thing is my kids. Yes.

Really because how do they people? So I have one that's 20, my bonus baby's 20 and then an 11 and a nine. And they're like now they have their own wit and it's sharp. Yeah. I love that.

Like I actually, this is so, I want to be really clear. I love when my kids get a good burn on me. Yeah. But it's different. I'm not saying that I want my kids to be disrespectful.

There's a different thing about like, like I see some of these other households that my kids hang out in sometimes where there's no discipline or respect in the house. Like that does not fly in my home. It's really important. But like a good well timed comedic burn. It just makes me love them more.

Because maybe teasing is a little bit of a love language for you. I think so. Because I share that like a well placed tease that is well observed is a sign of intelligence. Your kids are paying attention. Yes.

They see you. That they know you can take a joke. Yes. They see me. Yes.

They feel comfortable like flexing their own mental prowess. I just love that. Yes. And they're trying to figure out what goes too far. And they're supposed to practice with you.

Yeah. They are. Yeah. So I love that. And I love also that it humbles me.

I guess they're so not impressed with me, which I love. Yeah. Have you guys started watching any stuff, any comedy together? Because that is the age around eight and 11 where you start being like, oh, we can share shows. This is the number one show that we obsess over as a family, even so we go back and watch old episodes because it doesn't come on enough is amazing race.

Let's talk about amazing race. We talked about enough. Isn't still on. It's still on. And they're still racing.

They're still still traveling the world. I've never met him. If I ever meet him, I'm going to pass out. He's amazing. And so what?

He's amazing. He's amazing. And he races. The thing I love about watching with our kids is there's all this kind of learning going on. First of all, we're learning geography.

We're learning culture, learning languages, dance around the world, food around the world, music around the world. Landmarks in important places. So you're also learning just travel resilience because we're a big travel family. So they're learning like, sometimes the hotel is closed. Sometimes you miss the train.

They're learning that kind of stuff. But the biggest thing are these relational dynamics. Oh, yeah. Because I love when my son turns to me and he's like, he is not a good husband. You see these teams where you're like, why is he talking to her like that?

Like two siblings where you're like, they do not really get along. Or two sisters where you're like, I love their relationship. Like that. It's so they're really learning about what makes a good team, what partnership looks like, what respect, what it's so so we love them. And we laugh a lot in amazing ways because inevitably in the first couple of episodes, there's always the people that are like, they have no business being on the internet.

Those people have no. And you're like, I'm freaking around the world. No, but they're having a good time. We have a good time with them. Do you?

Okay. Do you think when you watch Amazing Race, do you think you would do well on it? It was. So here's one of the really sweet things. And I don't talk about my relationship often.

I know. I love not doing it. It's the first show we watched together. Like even when we were dating. You're watching Amazing Race.

We were crushing. We would. We would. He has all of the physical prowess. There's so many retired athletes on there, but he has the athlete thing and he's so smart and funny.

And you have the drive. And you have the Bronx. And you have the Bronx. Wherever I go. My mother's like, why do you make everything the Bronx?

Wherever I'm like, come on. She's like, this is not. Well, do you watch it and think I would do well? The only thing I know I would not do well on is the race. What are we talking about?

You have to run. What do you mean? They're not. I mean, I run. Okay.

Sometimes it's a foot race. It's true. Sometimes it's two to fifteen. Like you can be so great. And then again, you just have to run with your bag to the next thing.

That's true. That's not nice. I would kill. Are you a good runner? No, but I would make myself a good runner.

I think I would struggle with the driving. Oh, I could do that well. Yeah. We would be a good team. Okay.

Because I would be like, at the end when they'd be like, run to the thing, I'd be like, you got. Yeah, yeah, and I would go. Go. Go for it. I get nervous on the highway.

I'm going to do as you approach the moment where it's like, I don't know. GPS, be more clearer. I get really nervous. No, I could lock in on the driving. But they're running.

I know I would try as fast as I could. I would try as hard as good. I would have to do as teams so far behind. We always make them a stake a falling in love with a team that's like a father, a daughter, a mother, son, and they do so well and they're so smart and they're so on it and then there's a foot racing. It's a running.

It takes them now. She's 87. They're not going to win. They're not going to win. And that is why I don't think it's fair.

There's too much running in that show about racing. But also anything, like the thing, the great, we're not going to talk about this forever, but the thing that's so magical about the amazing race and the other thing that my kids really are absorbing is anything's possible. True. The final challenge can be all mental. And you think you're the team who's got it.

But if you can't figure out how to make that special Portuguese sausage the way then you're gonna be able to point about teamwork when people are at their lowest point, when they're very, very stressed, the real personality comes out. It's so true. So when someone is kind and when they're kind of reach other at their lowest point, then you're going to be okay? Yes, because we watch old episodes and we so Google are they still together and they're married still, did they ever get married? We're suddenly like super- I don't even need to go on it.

All right. I have to say, I want to talk to you about that. But no, I can't. And people are the big brothers. Remember Battle of the Network stars?

I do remember that. You might be too young for that. But I always do have a memory of that. There was an amazing moment in TV. where all of the stars in TV had to put on really short shorts and do like Olympic events and just do track and field events and be and it was the most famous people in TV.

And they all did it. I mean, I would do it today. I would do it. You would say all but the running. I would do all but the running.

And I wouldn't do very well in any of the events, but I would have I would have so much fun. I'd be good like mouth. I'd be like I'd be able to trash talk. Oh, yes. That's important.

And that was important. In battle of network stars, there was a little bit of like, ha ha, I'm gonna get you kind of thing, but um, the insurance would never let this happen. That's true. They wouldn't do it now. That I'm proud that my kids don't like because I got nervous.

They would just be focused on the winning, but there are like occasionally there are teams who lie about what to do next. They're like, they figure out a challenge and then they lie to the next team. I know. And those two. And it always comes back to me.

Karma. Karma. Yeah. When they take a thing, they're like, don't show them. That's right.

That's right. That's right. Oh, yeah. The clues over there. And it's really over there.

And it's like, see you in hell. That's right. That's right. See you in an amazing race. And the ass.

Yeah. And Phil's gonna be like, you've arrived. You've been there the last to arrive. Much, Carrie. It was so fun talking to you.

And I'm always just impressed by your range and ability to do so many things so well. Thanks for being an awesome guest. And it's just great talking to you. And I feel like I want to just plug this YouTube show, the street that you grew up on because you have, there's great guests like Michelle Obama and Issa Rae and Sarah Paulson. And it's a great idea of just figuring out where you grew up and digging deeper.

And it feels like Carrie's always trying to do that in her own life and in her characters. And so check that out on YouTube. And I've heard that you can get YouTube without commercials. If you pay a little extra. Which I'm not willing to do.

But if you want to do that, that's up to you. So thank you so much for joining us, Carrie. Thanks so much for listening. Good hang and we'll see you. Bye.

You've been listening to Good hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weisperman and me, Amy Poehler. The show is produced by The Ringer and Paper Kite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spelane, Kaya McMullen, and Elia Zanaris. For Paper Kite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weisperman.

Original music by Amy Miles. Tim's new energy infusers, powered by Monster Energy Zero Ultra. If you stay alert for whatever the afternoon brings, like crushing your to-do list, or figuring out what's for dinner, or taking the dog for evening walk. You're welcome, biggles. Try Tim's new energy infusers.

In invigorating blue raspberry and pink raspberry, Mojito's zero sugar. High-capping content. This product may not be suitable for everyone. See and store on the Tim's app and site for details available in Canada, excluding Quebec for a limited time only. Take your fantasy league strategy very seriously.

We got it. Ready to take your investment strategy seriously? We got you. Co-operators can give you advice. That's the real deal.

Co-operators. Get investments, insurance, and advice from someone who gets you.