Kidnapped from a Fire

Hi, I'm Holly and I'm Haley. Welcome to Mountain Mysteries Tales from Appalachia. Alright, we're live. Welcome back.

Hello. I know you have been sitting with Bated Breath. Yes. Where are they?

Where are they? Is it Thursday yet? Well guess what? Guess what it is.

Thursday! Yay! Maybe she's going to bed. Maybe it's surgery.

Oh, I do love the surgery. Me too. It's a good time. I saw a shirt that's on that and I was like, I'm mainly making this.

We need this in our lives. So, you know, somebody wanted to send it to us. I wouldn't cry about it. I wouldn't cry about it.

I would actually be very happy because we're on the surgery. Yeah, we would be thrilled. Actually, we would feel minimal emotions. We didn't know, but at least we're not crying.

We wouldn't be crying about it. No, the sarsheline was like, I mean, that was a game changer for gay. I mean, I was like one of those people for a long time. I was like, I can handle whatever this is that my brain's doing.

And then I got on it and, you know, it takes a while for it to kind of like, you really start to notice. But like, a couple months in, I was like, this is good. Is this what the general public feels like? Sister, will pop and I like it.

Like, is this what regular people feel that don't have anxiety and door depression? Yes. I'm like, wow, what a new world this is. Oh, no, no, no.

The intrusive thoughts are minimal to none. Yes. Yeah. Sure.

Yeah. Although I'm, you know, kind of reaching that perimenopause. So, anxiety, anxiety. And just be mad.

Like, I'm mad a lot and I really, it doesn't feel well founded. Right. It's like, am I, is this a justifiable thing to be this mad about? Exactly.

So I do wonder if there's a correlation, not saying that for me. But there's a correlation between women and their 40s who murder, you know, because if you're in a fossil, you know, like, just snapped and lost it. I wonder. I wonder.

There's a study we could do. Now, I will say having, if you can hear in the background, the screaming of the cat. Yes. The kitten.

It, uh, that almost caused me to lose my mind yesterday. I was like trying to get it to like, chill out for a minute and I was like, you're bitten me off. So put it in the bathroom. You're gonna be crazy.

I need to work. You're gonna be a really good mom on deck. Yeah. We'll put it in the bathroom too.

But better to like, put it where it's safe to walk away. Yeah. That's what they teach. You know, to any shaking kittens.

Yeah. That'll be very bad. Make it detach itself from my shoulder or my neck. Yes, it does.

Clos are caught in your head. Right. So that feels a little aggressive sometimes, but you know. But also it's aggressive about the cat.

Yeah, it did. It got on the very top of my head the other day. Like I was sitting on the floor doing something and it like climbed up my back and was on my shoulder. I'm like, oh, that's kind of cute.

Because it doesn't have like sharp enough claws because we like nipped the like needle points off of them. So it's got enough claws to like still climb a little bit. So it was climbing up my back and then just decided that my head was a good place to sit. I was like, oh, I don't really want your booty on my head.

Thank you. So I actually was talking about this with a colleague of mine, right? Because I thought, you know, yeah, maybe one day we'll get a cab and I have my parents have five, right? And I have gone to dinners at their house and there's like kitty litter on the table.

And I know the cats have been up there and I can stand it and they're just like, what do you mean? And I'm like, I got to wipe this table. Yeah. It's disgusting.

So between like the table and their countertops and like all food places, I can't handle. Yeah. So anyway, my parents have like I said, five. And I was talking to a friend the other day and I was like, if I could like not have them get on the counters and tables, that'd be great.

And she said back in 2020, she said, you know, when it was COVID and people stuck inside, they did a study, they put like lipstick on the bottom of a cat's like booty. And so they could tell if it made contact with any services and turned out it did not. I guess they sit more on their hind quarters. Wow.

So any, I guess residual cat litter actually came from the pause where I get stuck in their kind of a pause, you know? So that was, that's reassuring. Yes. Yes.

So I don't love the litter pause. No man. So yeah. Yeah.

But I also think it's cruel to be cloth. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And I just, I don't want all the client. So there we are. Yeah. I try to keep mine like my older cat, his clip, but he is kind of like actually a demon from hell.

I just keep attracting demons into my home, which is fine here. It's fine. But I kind of have to sneak up on him and like pause that to happen. You totally cause that to happen.

Oh my gosh. Talked about demons and the computer just like totally glitched out just now and replayed back Holly's scary demon voice. Oh, you know what? It's definitely the whole time like that has not happened.

Right. And then now it just happened, which is. It just happened completely. Cause the demon voice.

Well, I couldn't. Yeah. Sorry. It's okay.

I'll keep my demon voice. But yeah. So I have to sneak up on Atticus and like catch him to be able to do his claws and he screams the whole time. So, and then Callie the dog I can do her is pretty easy.

But yeah, the kitten we're having to keep the claws cut because I try to climb up. Well, and training them as kittens too about like, now we're getting our claws cut is makes it easier in the long run. Yeah. We thought that treats too.

He's still turned out the way he did. But I should have known when I adopted him and the man at the shoulder because I went for Scout when I adopted them because I'd seen her picture and I thought she was just gorgeous. Like such pretty cash. And I was like, I want that guy.

So I went for her and I had seen a picture of him too. I was like, oh, I'll meet that one. Because I wanted to. But I didn't really care what my second like which one was my second one.

I had to have. I just had to have Scout and then she, you know, got cancer and died at four, which was really rude. But there was a man in the child I volunteer who was holding like a tiny baby Atticus. And I was like, oh, is that?

You care for what a shelter name was? And he was like, yeah, he's like, he's had a rough start to life. And he is a little special. Here you go and hands into me and is like, that's yours now.

I'm like, OK. So I think they knew they knew and they were like, here's a sucker. Yeah. Here's a young girl.

It's a social worker on your shirt. Yeah. They were like possible syphilis victims. Yeah.

That's right. I'm a stiff thumb. The pain is back. It is twinging again.

I was on a different medication for a minute. After I was cleared from syphilis, I was given a different kind of like a higher powered like, naperson, like a leave type thing, a little bit higher powered and longer lasting. Yeah. I mean, it's not like a controlled substance or anything like that.

You don't have a hand over your driver's license. Right. They just filled it and it was whatever. So they I was on that for two weeks and felt great.

And now I've been off of it for about two weeks. And it's starting to like, I couldn't shuffle cards in a night. We're playing card games and I can't. That just speaks towards right because it's, you know, the inflammation.

So I'm hoping that, you know, it'll be fine. I'm just going to keep ignoring it until it gets really bad again, I think. And go back to that urgent care and be like, listen, I didn't have syphilis the last time because I got tested. It's another STD.

But maybe it's chlamydia this time. Oh, the clap. Yeah. So I mean, she did say she was, she said chlamydia or gone to re-use and I think it was going to re-use.

But maybe we got a chlamydia in there too. Yes, I would not, you know, eliminate any. Right. I think we'd do a full panel.

All of them. I think I do see my OB-GYN in October. So I'll have to let her know. She could probably already see it.

She could probably. I mean, well, she's, you know, down there. She can tell me what she thinks. Like I see it.

I mean, it's weird that I haven't seen it, but. You know what? Sometimes it takes a more in-depth look with this thing. The angle, the angle's got to be a little different.

Lighting helps, yeah. And since you don't do the pornos anymore, who would be able to? Who would. Who would.

So my motelier days are behind me. Because of the incident. Because of the incident. Because of the incident.

Yeah. Is there a way you can sue in some way because I feel like you've lost work? Because the SIF? Yeah.

Sue, whoever gave it to you. So right here. Sorry. My boyfriend's leaving for work right now.

And he went outside and found Kelly's, Kelly, my dog has this little pink, it's because of the devil. Hello. He's coming back in to give you your bunny. Will you please calm down?

She has this little pink bunny that's like her favorite thing in the world. She says she was a puppy. And she takes it with her outside. So it was still outside and I brought Kelly in and I'm our best friend.

Absolutely panicked out there. Click the dog, it's on the yard. Hello now. Hi.

It's fine. He probably just brought your bunny in and then left. That was a very protective, aggressive growl. Caw.

Way down. Okay. Well, that was a fun little segue. She's good now.

She's good now. She's good at you. Don't have Sif-Lis. I don't have Sif-Lis.

Who ever you got from? Good to. Yeah. But which John could that be?

I mean, who knows how many. So many taxes were done. Yeah. You worked really hard.

A lot of taxes. Late January, all the way through April 15th. Yeah. Some after who filed later.

Right, I got the extension. Yes. Yeah. And I mean, that's, yeah.

Sometimes you just made that extension. Yeah. Yeah. I missed those tax days.

Oh my God. I missed those tax days. Yeah. It's been a great time to tell you all that I did get a new job after we talked about my taxes.

Yeah. For if my employers are currently listening, so I don't actually do people's taxes. No. She doesn't like them.

She can vouch for me. But I did a new job. I will be a full-time professor at a university. So I'm really excited with that.

I'm very excited. So yeah. I'm going to call you Professor Haley. You said.

Yeah. Oh, I can. From pH. What up pH?

You're like, it is. It is. Oh, I know. Yeah.

Yeah. So, yeah, I'm very excited. I'll start that job in August. So I'm leaving public school, which makes me, I'm both excited and very sad about it because I miss the kids.

I miss my coworkers, but I still see a lot of them. So I'm very excited. And maybe they can funnel into the college, you know. You can kind of be the mentor.

I don't know. Yeah. Well, you are my inspiration. Oh, thank you.

One day, I hoped to be just like you. The Wind've been through wings. You are the wind beneath my wings. Wow.

Those beautiful. Haley. hero. I want to have the herp just like you.

Wow that was one of the first when I used to choreograph dance when I taught dance. I think I really like my combo too kids so except not eight years old their ballet dance was to limé thé wings. So every time I hear it now I was really funny as one of the girls that was in that class she graduated high school last year so she was one of my seniors and every time that song would play we'd mention it I was like she didn't get in position she's like you are the ones with Dave? Quick what movie did that come from?

Beaches. I've never seen it but I never did not think you end for a second. Oh okay yeah good job. I've never seen it but I did not think you did.

It's a sad movie. My dance teacher loved it and my mom likes it and she's like you should watch it. I'm like I heard it's really sad she's like it is. I'm like then no.

It is but it's not until the end when they start playing do you love the wind? Yeah I don't think you. I don't like sad movies. See I'm not big on I don't like romance at comedies.

Right. I like drama I like grit. I like drama but I don't want it to be like tragic you know like I don't need somebody now the two biggest things in a movie. If an old person dies or an animal dies I'm out.

Will not watch. I'm an old animal. Will not watch. Okay.

Marlene me. Hey I'll know. Oh that's such a good movie. I love Marlene me.

Will not. Get on. Huh. It's a great movie.

Yeah. I don't love Owen Wilson. Don't love him. Right.

Love General Madison of course. I feel like the old Wilson character was casting about that but General Branson's great. Anyway. What's your God for me?

Kind of a crazy kidnapping story. Fun. Yeah. Rousing good time.

Yeah no. Yikes. Okay. So in today's story we're gonna head north a little bit to Felton ville Pennsylvania.

This is a working-class neighborhood on the outskirts of Philadelphia. It is December 15th 1997 at the modest home of Luz Guevis and her boyfriend Pedro Vira. Okay. Luz and Pedro are Puerto Rican immigrants and they live in the home with their two sons and their 10 day old baby girl Delamar.

That's cute. Delamar actually translates into Spanish too of the sea. Nice. Yeah.

So the family has finished dinner and Pedro is out front with his cousin and his cousin's friend you know helping with the breaks on her car. So Luz is inside with the children. She's just put a baby Delamar down in her crib for bed. Delamar's room is upstairs and to the right Luz leaves a sleeping Delamar in her bed and goes back downstairs to clean up after dinner.

As I mentioned Pedro encouraged his cousin's friend Carolyn to go ahead and go inside like go talk with my girlfriend like basically it's gonna be a while. Right. You know how it is when women are like I hate to say this because I'm a woman but like watching you like um so how's it going? So is it fixed now?

Is it? Were we good now? Yeah. Right.

Yeah. So like that could add some pressure so I think to deflect it was kind of like well you like go get out of my girlfriend. Sure she'd love to entertain you you know. Yeah.

So Carolyn went inside and was talking with Luz. The two women had a lot in common it seemed because they both just get in for the baby girls. As time went on though the two women really didn't have much to talk about like it's like oh yeah some weather we're having high. Right.

Kind of awkward small talk situation. You can only print this cyanide that's crazy. Yeah. Okay like you know what do you say?

Right. So Luz retired having to kind of like entertain and she got up and kind of went back to cleaning like she was still talking with her like oh I've got some chores I gotta get done. Yeah. Makes sense.

So I know that feeling I have felt that before too. Makes for a sense. Well suddenly this dramatic conversation kind of halted when it sounded like a small explosion happened upstairs. Oh.

They were all kind of taken aback and quickly smoke starts billowing down the stairs towards the living room where the two women were. Oh wow. Luz grabs her two sons and quickly ushers them out of the house. Yeah.

Meanwhile Carolyn says hey listen I'm gonna go let Pedro know what's going on. We're all you know make sure he's okay all the things. So Luz goes back into the house and up the stairs to go get Delamar. Yeah.

But the smoke is so thick that she like gets towards the crib and then that's it like she can't go any further. It's an inferno. So she goes and runs back outside and starts screaming for help. So a neighbor's teenage son comes and is like I'll go in and get a baby.

So he runs in but again he can't get to her because there's so much smoke. But when he comes out he says you know I heard a crying I just I couldn't get to her. Oh. I can't imagine.

Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Yeah. So when the fire department arrived the entire second story of the row house was badly burned and there was really little little left of Delamar's room.

Firefighters and investigators searched the rubble for the infant but due to the heat of the fire there were only ashes left. When officials informed the family that Delamar was deceased her mother began wailing uncontrollably. Oh my gosh. I don't even want to imagine.

One minute you're holding your sleeping baby and the next you're told they're dead. Yeah. Oh my gosh. So after a few minutes Luce collected herself looked at the firefighters and told them no no.

Delamar when I went in there was not in her crib. I could see through the smoke like she was not in her crib. Officials were like okay um they thought maybe she was a little bit shocked. I didn't know teenage boy here.

Yeah. I heard the baby. So they were like okay so she's just in shock. She's in denial like she can't accept it.

It makes sense. It just happened. Yeah. So when the fire cooled investigators went back into the home to find Delamar's body and determined how the fire started like I said they could smash it.

They found that they assumed were human to remain declaring that Delamar was in fact deceased. They also determined that the fire occurred in Delamar's room and was due to a faulty extension cord that was connected to a space heater. It is December in Philadelphia. Yeah.

And a lot of these row houses are older so they're not super insulated so they're drafting. Yeah and just like you never plug something like that into an extension cord. No. They need to go directly into it.

Not like that was you know her fault or anything. Right. It's crazy and like it should be fine. Right.

But you want that grounded. Like you want that in a wall outlet which can still be faulty and there too. I mean but just for like any of our listeners out there that use space heaters myself being one of them plug them into the wall. Absolutely.

I use them a lot at the office because. Yeah. Well the house that I live in is built in the 50s and it's a plaster house so it's just really poorly insulated. So like in the winter you can like feel the cold radiating off the wall.

So it's it gets kind of cold in the house so we use a lot of space heaters. Makes sense. Makes sense. Yeah.

So the family grieved over the small baby who only experienced 10 days of life. Well lose however still didn't believe that her baby was dead. She just was not willing to accept that. But what's interesting is that the coroner did not issue a death certificate.

It's weird. I told the family that they would have to get one from like the court. Is that normal? I mean what happened to the remains that they found?

Did they not go to the corners? I guess they did but I don't know. It just doesn't make sense. There's really weird.

Yeah. So the family didn't have a funeral for Delamar nor did they seek out the death certificate. Largely because mom was like no. No.

She's alive. We don't need any of these things because she's gonna be returned to us. No. She's out there I feel like.

Okay. Everyone kind of thought like oh she's lost it. Like you know she's grieving. Definitely.

I mean yeah. She can't accept it. You know it's just it's not uncommon. Like when we're talking about stages of grief.

Yeah. In each stage you can get stuck. So you know there are seven stages of grief if you don't know. Shock, denial, anger, bargaining, depression, testing and acceptance.

So in these early stages shock and denial it's really easy to get stuck because everything feels surreal. Yeah and it's not like you graduate one stage and go to the next. Like you can bounce back and forth and into. Move up and down.

So all the things like we used to think of it more of a linear scale and now the more that you know research is done and people experience it. It's like no it's it's very much a you bounce back and forth on that scale. And that's how trauma works. Like you know yes.

So if this denial continues long term it's referred to as complicated grief and can even be defined as prolonged grief disorder. Yeah. So something that just continues on and on and on. So it's kind of think of it as your mind's way of protecting yourself.

So if you can't accept something then it's not real. You don't have to deal with the emotions. Right. You can just keep ongoing and focus on other things.

So I think the biggest part is people don't want to open the door because if you accept it not only means that she's dead gone and that's it. But it also means that you have to deal with the pain of that loss. Yeah. And it hurts.

And a lot of people are like yeah no. Can't do it. I don't want to do it. Yeah.

But you know my motto is always like we have to walk through the grief. Yeah. Like sit with it sit in it feel it all the things. Because I think that this creates understanding.

It creates you know peace healing like heck yet hurts. But what I rather it hurt knowing that I've dealt with it or what I rather like is show up later on. Yeah. And cause other issues.

Right. You know so grief doesn't go away. It just changes. So this has been your therapist minute.

It sounds like I'm just in a corner. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody puts Holly in a corner.

All right. So Luz and Pedro they try to move on. They even have another child together a son. But Luz is just kind of like obsessed with the notion that her daughter is alive.

Yeah. And eventually it drives Pedro and Luz and Martin. So it's pretty common. Yeah.

I mean it makes sense. Like when my grandparents like when my aunt died they almost got divorced. They've been married like 20 plus years at that point. It's so hard because people deal with it in different ways.

So Luz you know even though they went their separate ways like she did not give up that one day she was going to see her daughter. Right. So we're just going to get a little bit. Okay.

January of 2004. So seven years in the future. Okay. Almost seven years.

Yeah. Luz attends a birthday party for a family member. At the party extended family and friends are invited. They're all on hand for the celebration.

And it was there that Luz took notice of a little girl around the age of six that looked like her sons. The young girl named Alia also noticed Luz in the crowd. They may not contact with each other. Alia had this strange feeling like she knew her and oddly felt connected to her.

Eventually Luz excused herself to the restroom and when she came out she found Alia alone. She told the young girl that she had gum in her hair. She goes oh Alia honey you've got gum in your hair. Well of course Alia's like oh get out of my hair.

How did that happen? You know when she's like hold still you know so she grabs it out of the root of her hair. Soon Alia's mother insisted we're going home. We've got to go.

So Alia's mother saw Luz and said we've got to go. We've got to leave immediately. So Luz had taken a strand of her hair and she went to the police. She begged them to do a DNA test against her own hair.

To which they did. It was a match. It was a match. Whoa.

Alia who lived with her mother Carolyn Carrera. Wow. And her older brother in New Jersey had no idea she had been kidnapped. Wow.

She even recalled for a news article that her mom Carolyn told her at one point. There's a bad lady who wants to take you away from us but you're not going to let her right. Selmar said she was curious but kind of like a sassy kid. He was like no way you know.

She's not going to take me kind of thing and really didn't know that this bad lady was her mom. Yes. Yes. So in order to confirm with absolute certainty that Carolyn was not Delamar's biological mother she had a DNA test.

Didn't want to but she was kind of by a lot of questions. She did. She was not. Yeah.

No. So Delamar was swiftly taken away and returned to her parents for a very bitter sweet homecoming. Wow. Delmar was really happy but confused.

Yeah. And another thing that kind of added to it is her biological family did not speak English. She did not speak Spanish. Oh wow.

So there was a slight culture shock as well. She was used to kind of having quicky little like pizza and here's a pop tart you know her you know kidnapped mother's house and her bioparans were like always cooking things and you know all that kind of stuff. It's just very different. Yeah.

So adding to that her parents were not together anymore. So she would have to spend like weeks with her mom and then like every other week with her dad. She states that her dad was fun. Always acted like a big kid whereas her mother was like strict and tough.

Yeah. Strong you know like you're gonna do this and you know it's gonna be this way. So Carolyn pled guilty to kidnapping and was sentenced to nine to 30 years in prison for which she served nine and was released in 2015. Yeah.

Luz always believed that Carolyn didn't act alone and that the ruse of Pedro being outside working on the car would be so he could remove the sleeping Delamar. Go down like the back stairs come outside the backway where nobody would hear start the fire while Carolyn kept Luz busy talking downstairs. Well how would Pedro be involved? Here we go.

The reason is she believed that Pedro was upset because he was he thought that he was not the biological. Oh wow. So they thought that you know basically Carolyn went inside to keep Luz busy. He went and got the baby and then when she went to alert Pedro that there was a fire on gear like she said she did.

That was when the handoff happened. Okay here's the baby. Wow. Because Carolyn disappeared like once the fire had started she didn't like stick around like is everybody okay she disappeared.

But nobody paid much attention to it because they were so worried about getting Delamar outside of the doctor's fire. Yeah. So in fact you know on Delamar's birth certificate Pedro's not listed as a father. Wow.

So that's her ass to his thinking like I'm not the dad. Yeah Delamar years later tried to ask like are you my father and he just really never kind of answered a question. Very strange stuff. Did you have anything to do with it?

He just never really answered the question. He was never charged. Right. It does question.

Yeah. So there are a couple theories as to why Carolyn would have kidnapped Delamar. One was that she told everyone she was pregnant and she had to keep up the line. Yeah.

She was also facing criminal charges for you'll never guess. Sending a fire in a trash can in her office. Wow. It is theorized that she wanted to have a baby so that the court would like take it easy on her like oh we can't like put her in jail.

She's got a baby. Yeah. Delamar didn't have the best childhood with Carolyn who wasn't super loving or attentive. Like she spent a lot of time with a babysitter who she was very close to and actually still keeps her relationship with.

Yeah. Once she returned to her birth family she took the name Delamar back. So she went from a lead at a Delamar. She was considered an independent child but eventually but it heads with Luz who was very strict.

Yeah. She ended up moving in with her father as a young teen but after an altercation where she threw perfume down and kind of got mad and he slapped her. She was taken into foster care at the age of 15 and just recalls spending her 15th birthday in a group home with like none of her parents. Neither contacted her.

Wow. Yeah. So Delamar struggled with making poor choices for quite a while. She had some really dangerous boyfriends.

She was like staying in some really rough areas but she ultimately was committed to breaking the cycle. So now she's married to her husband Isaiah and is telling her story. Wow. In fact there's a lifetime movie about it and a documentary that's called The Hand that robbed the cradle.

Yeah. I have gotten to see it because I don't know if it's streaming in the US. Right. But I would love to.

Yeah. Like this story is crazy. How is kids that are kidnapped ever return? Right.

What a fluke. Yeah. And the funny piece about this is that Luz didn't want to go to this birthday party. She was like, I don't really feel like it.

Everybody's like, oh come on. You know, it's a family member's birthday party. You've got to go. Yeah.

That's pretty crazy. Isn't it though? So yeah, that is my story. What is it now with kids and fires and kidnaps?

I know. It's like a thingy here. Yeah. See it's insane.

And it wasn't intentional. I wasn't like, who children kidnapped from fires? Right. Sutter children's similarities.

You know, honestly, these stories kind of found me. Yeah. And I love when that happens because it doesn't feel pushed. Yeah.

It's just kind of happening. Naturally happened. These two just naturally, you know, this one and the one I did a couple weeks ago just found me. That's cool.

Yeah. Well, that's all she wrote for us. Wow. Well, if you'd like to write to us, you can do so at Mount Mysteries dot Appalachian at gmail dot com.

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I was thinking it's the hand that scoops the litter box. That's you? Oh, that's me. Yeah.

Yeah. Because you're probably doing that a lot. I was just regular. And the scoops, the litter box.

Have you ever seen the hand that rocks the cradle? That movie? Oh my gosh. So good.

Is it creepy? No, it's it's a psychological thriller. I love it. It's not really nice.

You need to see it. I'll have to add that on to the list. Yeah. Super good.

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So I mean, Hanley does have syphilis. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Well, until next time, me must if thumb will be here.

Well, she won't be doing any hitchhiking. No, she will not be. No, sif will sit with them apparently as a thing. So it is a thing.

Yeah. Yeah. Who knew? Until next time.

Bye. Bye.