Kim Petras: The Throat Goat

What is up daddy gang it is your founding father Alex Cooper Kim Patrick's welcome to call her daddy. Yeah. Hi. Thanks for having me.

I am so happy you came in your sparkle clogs Hell yeah, you showed up. How did you pick your outfit today? Um just kind of I went off the clogs They really dictated everything else. I don't know just kind of felt like witchy.

I've been in my witchy vibe You need to confirm for everyone though. Are they comfortable? Um yeah, they're comfortable Like I would say like like pool slide vibes pool slide a little heavier. You're not going to like run in those no Even though I probably could and should I just have to say I'm so happy for you You are looking everywhere right now in the best way your music your personality like everything you're doing is just fucking incredible I'm so much you want to Grammy hi Yeah, like no big fucking deal.

How did it feel to win a Grammy and how did you celebrate? Um it felt insane It felt like something that just shouldn't happen to me Honestly, you know I'm such a like you know I've just been performing in a gay clubs for so long and been like in that scene and like Sam really changed my life with that song And I mean I went to diplos party after so that was really really fun. Diplos fun I'm a big fan And yeah, I just like saw my friends and we were all just like in disbelief just like oh my god This really just happened. I'm so grateful.

I got to like shout out Sophie on stage and I remembered that too Because like I could have just blacked out And I think my mom and so was just like such a like big moment But I didn't think would happen ever since I just been like a lot less sleep Like it's definitely like post Grammy like it's just like kept going and kept getting more and more and more But I like it so it's cool Dude that is so crazy to think about going on stage and accepting a Grammy and just being like I hope I can get my words out I know I hope I say one thing that like did you have a full speech plan or no? I did but I like five minutes before like our category was on I just like put it away and I was like just speak from like this moment and from your heart and Yeah, because Sam really put me in spots I was like I'm gonna have you accept the Grammy if we win it just because I've done it and like blah blah blah blah I'm like please no don't do that Like I was like please um, but I'm so grateful now that I like did it and like I'm such a shy and nervous person in my life Which you wouldn't think from my music because I'm using kind of where I live out my craziest ideas and fantasies But I'm pretty shy person and so yeah, that was wow now I remember like looking at like J. Lo's face and like JZ sitting there and not just being like I can't believe this That's so interesting I feel like now having sat down with people in the music industry like we were talking about Anita yeah I mean it's the best shout out. We love you I'm but Anita also kind of talked to me about that of like she's actually really shy and then like she has this alter ego that she Enfuses into her music and it's just the way that she's able to like put her I guess side like personality that she wants to be into Anita the character.

Yeah, which is kind of cool Do you feel like that's similar with you one million percent? I feel like that's always just been like my saving grace in life from like my shyness. It's just when I'm on stage It's like something clicks and I'm completely different person and I just feel in line with everything I don't overthink myself I feel like confident because like the one thing that I know how to do is perform and write songs like that's always been like Everything else I'm like horrible at and just like can't like I can't even cook like I can't do shit You know, I love my my my life. I can't cook but I just want a fucking Grammy that's right It's okay.

It's okay. I think we'll take that over being able to cook Call her daddy is brought to you by Dove Have you guys heard that Dove just dropped a Dove reimagined version of the classic don't cha to launch their new alcohol free whole body deodorant? A true 90s baby throwback moment the best part is that Dove's new whole body deodorant is alcohol and aluminum free combining 72 hour odor control with nourishing skincare It's gentle anywhere you apply it which keeps you feeling hot not burned for external use only the new Dove whole body deodorant alcohol and aluminum free Learn more at dove.ca You also were recently on the cover of sports illustrated swimsuit growing off Did you ever picture yourself being on the cover of a magazine? No, I was in my school Like I remember being like such a like freak to everyone because like since I was a kid It was like very public that I was trans and they go very open about it And so I was just kind of this like nerdy weird kid and like no one thought I was like pretty or sexy or anything like that And so I doubt it being able to do that stuff and especially being like in a swimsuit was like I was definitely not like a nervous breakdown like the day before I'm like kind of like posing a swimsuit and be that because I just Yeah, I didn't think I could but then there's like amazing people and photographers and like the whole sports illustrator team Who just like hyped me up and we're just like, you know making me feel so good about myself That is like all just like happen like they really make me feel like I'm a lot of cover and it makes me want to cry because like I I'm such a person who just like doesn't think of themselves as like, you know All that when you say that when you were younger that you were like people never saw me as like sexy and cute When do you think you started to actually for yourself?

Did you always feel sexy and cute? You're like fuck you guys like I'm sexy and cute or did it come at a certain point? I'm I'm so waiting. No, I mean I Honestly, I think what gave me a lot of a lot of confidence and what built my confidence was becoming an artist and becoming a writer and Going on stages and stuff like that and once I kind of found my like friends and gay people in general who like celebrated me Who I am and that whole you know, I think once I started going to gay clubs I was like I belong here and I get the music I get the people I get what it's all about So I think that's when I started to like myself and all of that but I think in general like it's never like my goal to be like Sexy or to be hot.

It's always like I want to bring like a little bit of a like weirdness to things because I've always thought Like I was kind of just like on the outside of things and I find I don't know I find more happiness and looking a little off and a little weirder than just looking hot I totally get what you're saying sometimes I actually think it's way better to feel like you're a little outside because then You're also just going based off of your own parameters of like half the time We're just trying to be like other people that's so fucking boring like I don't like anyone else But I also think I appreciate you saying like I'm still working on it No one even you can look at Kim online like she's got it all together. She's winning Grammys She's hanging out with celebrities. It's like but we're all still working on ourselves in some capacity till the day It's over. Oh, yeah, I was like for sure you have to you have to wait and you're from Germany right?

I'm from Germany Yeah, can you tell me in German how to say welcome to call her daddy? Vidkom to Nensi Pata. Oh German is the unsexy language of all time like like that's why I don't also like I've just always been like a little More of the weird German immigrants, you know in America because like it's just not a sex language I have a song on my spooky Halloween album where I sing German and it comes in handy when you want to sound scary oh So what people are really scared when us like when I yell at you in German, you're scared Alex fix this Very scary, but I can't like do you made it kind of sexy like I think you have a little you got something Okay, okay, so you talked about how you started your career in gay clubs all around the country Clearly that was such a huge part of your coming up and in this industry How did people in the clubs initially treat you and like how did they like you in your personality and your vibe in your music? I think They just really immediately kind of got it I mean I remember like my first few years like going back and forth from New York and just kind of being a club kid and having My first few songs out and just like performing on a bar stool or like a table, you know like and people were just like I Get this and I understand this and just like since I'm a part of the community It's like it makes sense Yeah, but they were the first like all the little bush way kids Like we're the first ones to play my music and I'll never forget that because it was like with a lot of like going into like labels and stuff Like that was a lot of um, we don't know what your demographic would be and like is it you know You make gay club music and it was kind of a in a bad way and not in a good way like to them because like that wasn't gonna make As much money and that's always really confusing to me because to me that's like the coolest thing right people play you in gay clubs Right that's literally all you could ask for like you want you want all the games be like fuck Yes, it's a box.

Oh, wow Did that ever kind of affect you in your musical decisions? Like did you ever find yourself and like should I go a little bit more one way? I think of anything that made me double down on it Like it just like whenever someone says that something is like something that I'm passionate about and something that I love I go harder in that is not it I go harder in that direction and I feel like so that honestly gave me like so much like will to like prove that there's people Who will come to my shows and that I can have a big song and all that stuff. Yeah, and we can sell bitch We want to grab me.

Yeah, we can totally When you're saying you're in these clubs Do you remember any like early fun stories for us of like memories from performing in these clubs that have stuck with you Like just iconic moments for yourself in your career signing dicks is one of them Like doing my fans poppers on stage Hitting wheat pens from my assigning wheat pens. Yeah, I signed all kinds of body parts. I hang out with the hottest point stars Yeah, like it was it's wild and I love it and I still like every now and then I just like need it I just need to go to you know, like a warehouse rave and go crazy and do all that But yeah, those were like iconic moments I think also mandalapore being at my first gig mandalapore is this like New York icon And yeah, just so many iconic people that I've met through clubs that is so fucking cool So just be like that's also how your career started of like basically you're just having fun partying and you're singing and everyone loves your music And you're just like thriving, but I wonder do you ever yeah? I was gonna say do you miss that because then you're like standing on stage and a little bit more formal?

Yeah, there's some more choreographed. I don't I do miss a little bit I miss mostly going to to clubs undetected. I can go to straight clubs now undetected But I can't go to get close anymore without taking really photos and I I party You know, I feel like I really love to you know Just party and not think about how I look and that you know that that might be not the you know I'm like sweaty and red and all the pictures and so so that's put a little bit of like pressure on it But like I feel like I figured out my like disguises and stuff like that and yeah, honestly like I need like a fake beard And like oh, yeah, I feel like that being really yeah I like short haircut crew next to a totally red or maybe that's too much attention Maybe a black is huge mustache totally a detransition moment I am actually interested to growing up in Germany like what is the difference between nightclubs in Germany versus nightclubs in America Oh, I think it goes way later in Germany. I think people are down to be there until the morning Which is fun, especially if you like think about like Berlin and like Burghine and all that stuff It's definitely and there's more techno.

There's weirder music in general. It's just like a lot of Electro music. I would say house music is huge. Do you prefer American clubs or German clubs?

Oh? They both have their you know pros and cons. Yeah, I think in general like now like American clubs because like I need to actually Be up the next day and do stuff right? I was younger was like I was liking going out late But now as I get older I'm like why can't we start at five o'clock?

I know start raging and go to bed by midnight and like I do the same shit We can drink the same like we can do all the same shit indoors this like I'm Doris's idea Like I love like starting early now and just like waking up the next day not completely fucked like completely Yeah, cuz in your next like 48 hours, you're just not a human being functioning in the world Yeah, and I can't afford to do that with this career. Yeah, totally you can't and me neither like we have to like do shit now Yeah, exactly. So American clubs just because a little bit more responsible in terms of our timing. Yes, we're trying to have a good time Let's go to Germany.

Definitely. I think people in general just like go a little more crazy there got it What is your favorite song of yours to hear played in a club? Well my favorite song of mine to play in a club Yeah, I have this record called slap pop which is all just like my Sluttiest self and just only saying the most ridiculous sex shit There is which was so freeing and fun to make and honestly like I feel like all my coolest fans like that's their favorite So yeah treatment like a slot I love that answer so much and we're gonna talk about slap pop in a little bit. It's truly iconic and a color daddy Something very cool about your career is the fact that you are self-made You have been doing this since you were super young you were teaching yourself how to write and how to produce in your bedroom Where do you think that drive came from?

Honestly from being excluded from social life I feel like no one really got me, you know in my like small town and dreamy because I'm not not technically from Cologne even Which is already kind of a small city. I was like two hours outside like countryside cows grass And I just I love music that was kind of the one thing that I would always do like always listen to music on repeat and pop music in particular and I would just harmonize and make my own little concepts and things like that So I think it's just something that comes like natural to me But then I would just like sit down in my room and just really every single day because I didn't like school I wasn't very good in school I wasn't horrible in school But I was like okay in school and I was just like I'm gonna be the next biggest hit songwriter and that's the skill I can work on every single day and Yeah And then I got into writing jingles for the commercials and trying to write for other artists pitching songs And yeah, I really feel like I feel like it that is just like my my savior is that I'm able to write music Yeah, it's so inspiring to hear you talk obviously about like there's a lot of people that can probably relate to you of like being really isolated when you're younger not feeling like you're fitting in and just like trying to find an Escape which you clearly found the best escape for yourself and it worked out What would you say to your younger self that like Kim sitting in her room alone just being like kind of isolated and getting picked on? Live a little I would say that I was like really like a maniac just like only working and I feel like my whole teen years Like I didn't go to like parties I was like just like just fully focused and so I would tell myself to live a little and the things are gonna happen when it's supposed to happen And that that's all gonna you know work out and that it's okay to go with your friends And it's okay to try and have a social life because like the answer isn't always just like well They all hate me so I just got to be by myself but like be like studio goblin You know I can actually also just yeah, but but also was a little bit of a different time I mean that was like so long ago now I legitimately didn't know anyone else trans and you know so I was an internet kid It would just find people online who I could talk to and things like that Yeah, that's why like the internet is I hate it and love it because you're so like I remember when I was younger like YouTube I would find like anything that you were going through if you were alone you could find someone somewhere on the internet on Same shit. Yeah, and so it there's like a saving grace obviously if you say like I didn't know anyone trans I was by myself going through it I know you've been open like your family was very supportive of you But still even when like your parents are like we got you was like okay mom I'd like love you but like I like I need people my own fucking age to relate to and to connect to totally So I appreciate you sharing that I know you've also been a really open in your gender journey from a very young age that like you said At one point you felt very boxed in and labeled and that everything became about being trans and you just wanted to be seen as a person Yeah, which I can imagine it's like in every single interview You're like I'm an artist but so many people want to also talk to you about being trans Where are you now in your career in your journey of having your own identity and accepting yourself?

But also like putting boundaries like we don't need to talk about every fucking thing every single time Yeah, I feel like it's a unique situation So I like to talk about it now because I feel like it's it's something where Yeah, it's just like a unique point of view and I think it comes in as my strength sometimes that I get to write from that perspective because like That's always just gonna be a big part of me that that I am trans and I think that gives me in songwriting such an interesting angle and I think what's so special about music is that just that it's like when I came to America and Started going to studios. It really didn't matter Who I was it just matter like am I good is my songwriting good? Can I say you know enough you like the more art that I get to put out the more music I get to make the more I become an artist Rather than you know all the labels that people put on me And it's not just a trans thing I mean it's like if you're a woman and you make music people just talk about you being a woman in music Or if you being a gay man in music or all that stuff You know We all just get boxed into this label that defines us and I think trans people in general are a good reminder that gender and all that stuff It's just a label and it really is all about who you are You know inside and not about all the stuff You know just because you're this doesn't mean you have to like this or do this and genders is a much Is a thing that matters a lot less I think and says a lot less about people than we think and Yeah, you are whatever whatever you want to be and whatever's in your mind and yeah It's so true because it's like when you break it down It's like just let everyone do whatever the fuck they want to do yeah, and it stopped trying to Just talk about people in one specific way No one would be happy if the roles were reversed and you're just saying one thing about someone We're all very multifaceted totally and every person is their own thing, you know Totally and I feel like just just more than ever I'm just trying to you know show people what's what's in my mind? What what you know what my music is about what I stand for rather than you know all the just talking about being trans all the time Totally I think your accomplishments I mean we could go through them all but they speak for themselves like you you've really popped off in an unbelievable way You've had such an incredible career already What a full circle moment that one of your biggest idols Madonna introduce your performance at the Grammys What is it about Madonna that inspires you?

I think Madonna is someone who who broke a lot of these like gender stereotypes and who can be very you know masculine and summer for music and Talk about sex very freely and in a very different Way and just like was so ahead of her time and like liberating people from feeling the shame about their sexuality and especially gay people I mean she did that shit in the 90s when it was really really well for gay people and I will forever just like feel inspired and liberated by her Taking the hit for so many people because she really you know was called like a witch and like all this crazy stuff We're just talking about her sexuality and just being so all out there And I respect that in someone yeah So if they can let that bounce off of them and like well I'm still gonna talk about whatever I want to talk about and I forget like right before the performance right before it was a little Break because it cuts me she had like a little whip and she was like like mouth to me like don't get a bitch and like whipped a little web and I was like And I was tied up in this cage like I couldn't say anything back I was like give her the nod and you're like I wish I could have a doodle like do a kick like Like I was like okay fall over like I was picturing you like fully tied up just like Do I wink? Do I think so? I know yeah, I so agree with everything you're saying about Madonna It's it's so crazy to look back at certain eras where we were so young and watching like every generation has it where there's certain people that just become Essentially the people that are breaking down barriers in that generation I know so many people were like Madonna's crazy like she should be taking off air Like she shouldn't be able to do this and yet what people didn't understand is she was having such a needed conversation And I'll be next generation of performers to lean even further into it because she did what she did Yeah, so cool that you now can be on fucking stage trying to give her a Not only it's it's so freaking cool and like what she said to because I think she was saying that she was supposed to like do Like the record of the year or something like that And she said she wanted to introduce the first trans performer at the Grammys and like I was like you really are the coolest I like this they don't like it. Yeah, didn't you meet her for the first time drunk at an SNL after party?

Yes, she came to the SNL after party and I was so I just kept talking her like you're off about confessional and dance floor and I was like that's one of the best like I was ever at the time this classing and like people don't really like appreciate it up and like I'm gonna when he did this and I was like I wasn't changed my life I wasn't doing it about like so much less alone and like I was just talking to you she was like mm-hmm And then she was like we should take a picture and I was like thank you so much for saying that because I would have just talked Her fucking ears off for hours. She's like sweetie. Let's just pose so you can catch a breath I know I know I'm I'm just I think I'm insane. No, no, I bet she gets it all the time and also It's just it's it's so genuine.

That's also just so iconic though for you to be like a hammered out of party being like Madonna like I love you. We love you with Donna. I love you so much. Okay, Kim.

We're gonna play a game Let's play this game. We're gonna play. Would you rather okay? Some of these are really fucking random.

So don't judge Okay, I love it. Okay, would you rather accidentally post a nude on your Instagram or but dial your parents during sex Posting on my Instagram. I feel like I have no like decency left anyway It's like you can find do of nudes of me anywhere So I was gonna say yeah, I feel like I'm a tits out at every shoot like it's like yeah at this point I'd rather do a nude because like I feel like calling my parents during sex would be disturbing for them Mm-hmm and for you after when you live definitely because also how bad to find out that you doubt them But you figure out after sure preplaying like what was I saying during sex like how nasty was that sex? I'm doing like the noises like just my dad can see the same my mom can see the whole thing Yeah, I'm okay, I'm rather post nude love that I agree Would you rather go a month without sex or a month without music a month without sex.

I'm definitely there Yeah, I'm so single and like honestly like I've just been so busy like there's no hope right now But it's like okay, like I'm very happy the thing is like the music almost acts like a let as that like excitement and like that Crush that I'm obsessed with because I can just like listen to it again and again and again and like get really obsessed and like Change the details about it and like all the little crushes I have on the side always end up in the music So I like I make it and then listen to them think of them and how they're not with me Great you can't have them like relays in your music all the time like a not stalkery way that you're like not over texting the person You're just like I'm not like rewatching their stories. I just listen to the song I wrote about them a million times great great answer I know you love horror movies and I know you love Halloween So would you rather never be able to watch a scary movie again or never be able to dress up for Halloween? Oh? I mean I mean Halloween is gay Christmas, you know, it's like it's so it's so in me I'm uh, I think but never watch a horror movie again.

That would be okay Halloween is just once a year I would like You know just like shut my door to be a total witch in the hills like See no one And pretend like Halloween doesn't exist and watch a war movie So I would pick up and then you can just go dress up another time of the year. Yes, okay That's her I like that would you rather fuck someone who is absolutely silent or someone who screams the whole time Someone who screams the whole time at least I know that they're into it, you know, like but silence would just throw me off Right, so they're there. Yeah, totally. It would just make me feel like they don't want this to happen And that would be that would really be I've had like some of us where the guy is so quiet And I'm like I just need like a couple grunts I know me too like a like fuck like fuck I know I hate that I hate that like a lot of guys are like To in the zone.

Yeah, like I'm making noises man like right. Come on. Just do it. Just let it go Totally let it go.

It's like honestly hot. I agree. Yes. Would you rather never give head again or never receive head again?

I receive head again. Giving head is like the funnest thing of my life. Honestly, like it's so fun We're gonna get into the throat. Oh, yes.

Yeah, don't worry. We're getting there But would you rather accidentally bite someone's dick getting a blowjob or throw up on it? Oh It's such a rough one. I feel like accidentally bite.

I mean, it's not defined how hard it has to be You know, maybe you can just be a little tooth. We're like a little little snaggle. Yeah Like just the tiny bit to right is better than throwing up because I don't think I could work that out in therapy Right, right like it would have to be the kind of throw up where because I've had that before where you basically do throw up But you oh you got back up before it lean that case Oh my god I'm sure they're like what I mean on the back throw up. That's my brand I'm gonna make so good Would you rather have drunk sex or high sex?

High sex me too so much better so good. Would you rather be in the mile high club or fucking someone's car? Someone's car. Yeah, I feel like planes like like Main bathrooms are just gross.

Yeah, it's just got a totally but I respect it Like I have some like friends and like especially like my gay friends that I like travel with They're like yeah, that next is hot guy and then we fucked and like I'm just like in my pot like with like my I mask on and like, you know, it's not sexy and like I think maybe the alert could be like You have to be quiet and hide it. I don't really want to have to do that I'd rather be in the car just like using the seat belt like it took me out Let's go like like I'm like like yeah, yeah I feel like cars are just in general like such a good spot like in a car with a boy And yeah, they can move to what's happening. It gives a little like yeah, it's a foggy. There's a lot of good Titanic exactly Let's talk about your dating life.

You said, you know, you're in a little dry spell. We love that so you're not getting anyone No, I'm not dating anyone are you interested in dating at all? Yeah, I mean, I'm interested in it, but honestly I feel like it's Been something that's just like I'm good without you and I feel like I've always been a relationship girl like I love a relationship I'm not like a quick hookup girl Even though like sometimes, you know, I don't have a choice Like sometimes I have some like boys in different cities like that I can just call up in every city That's a fun thing to be on. I know I know you've got your road beef I know my ropey.

Yeah, no, that's good But just right now I just feel like I don't know who would like fit into my crazy life right now Yeah, because I'm just like always doing shit and always traveling and I'm never in the same space for long enough to even like really You know do something meaningful I was gonna say yeah Like what is dating like like now as a pop star compared to like maybe a couple years ago where you still had like a little amenity Yeah, it's it's really changed enough people are just in general like a little scared of me now But just kind of good, you know, it just like weeds them out like you have to just like say that you want me now Right, or I don't have time for you, you know my clog just slipped I'll get to like it was 500 pounds. We just made the floor. I don't have time for you. Boom.

Yeah, that's interesting So you like that make you sad a little bit that you think like do you think people are seeing a persona of your Yeah, then you have to like deconstruct it I'm not really always like that Yeah, I think in general like slap pop really changed how guys see me because like a lot of the guys that I'm dating have hurt slap pop and like Know that and they're like, you know, and it's like yeah, I'm the girl who sings throat Go, you know, and they just be like they have to like live up to this crazy expectation and I got that's like not You know, it's like such a persona for for that record that it's like that's that's not me You know, I'm also someone who just like wants to watch more movies with you and like cuddle and be cute Totally all of that and I like the last thing I want is where you'd be scared of me Right, so if you're scared of me, I'm immediately cutting me off because that makes me feel horrible about myself, you know I get that I'm just like a Genuine person and I really feel like I'm a lot of crushes on the wrong guys like all the time really would you have a type I don't really I feel like every single guy is like is very different I think the type that I have is just like the energy being good and and thumb being funny being honest being like loyal I think that's like the big ones for me and just like I like sweet guys. I like when you're sweet But you just said you're picking some of the wrong guys. So yeah, what's going on? So the not sweet guys Yeah, I don't know just guys who like keep me like dangling or think they have to constantly like do stuff to you know Keep me obsessed with them.

I'm on the road and like then you don't talk to me and then I'm back It's just like yeah, it's exhausting. It's exhausting But let your friends set you up with people or no I do yeah, I one on a day with a guy Who my friend set me up with recently didn't really go anywhere But it was it was fun because like sharing similar friends who can at least talk about the friends true You know you can just like talk about that. She's so cool. Yes, the best like you can't really talk about yeah Like how's your dream?

Yeah? Totally yeah, yeah, my friend set me up for sure when was your last relationship? I mean last relationship was like one and a half years ago I was like a five-year relationship long one So I feel like I'm still like anyway at the part where like I need to like leave myself Yeah over that relationship and all the stuff that that did to me because it wasn't like a very nice relationship It made me feel awful about myself for a few years and that's the worst I should have like cut it off when I felt it But yeah, you know it was it was first time I broke up with someone and the thank you guys And the first time that I just really feel like I did the right thing I listened to my intuition and got out of it And I know a lot of people who don't get out of relationships that don't fulfill them And they're almost like a new person when they get out of it like it's like oh my god you're back and you know Like you're you're like yourself again and you're happy again And so that's my main thing I never want to you know, I mean and no one wants to yeah Just I really don't want to be in any relationship that doesn't make me feel good and I feel great You know because I'm such a pleasing person and like I always used to just like I just want you to be happy And I don't care if I'm happy Yeah, and that's that's a bad thing And I think that goes back to me as a as a kid as a teen like I just hope one day like a guy can see me as a girl or Show me any attention, you know and like see me as a normal person not as a freak You know, I think goes back to that me just wanting to you know Well, he likes me so I'm gonna do anything for him and like completely forget that I have value as a person. Yeah I think that's so relatable Kim and like I also love how you were like oh my god I should have gotten out earlier, but I'm so happy I did get out I think so many times we're so hard on ourselves because when you're so deep in something It's really hard to actually make the jump to envision life even if it's toxic without that person because you've been living in it For so long you have your routines that still is the person that you're with all the time and like you just become so attached to something That you almost forget like what life was like before them and a lot of times it was so much better totally hard It's hard to get out.

It's really hard, but it's like you're you're gonna live And it's gonna be okay, and you're gonna figure it out again You're gonna get back into it and honestly life like on your own sometimes can be so much more like purposeful and Fulfilling I feel like really I personally like thrive when I have like time by myself where it just literally do whatever It's like recharging and I think in general like I wish I would have done that in my relationship more and and yeah I mean I feel like relationships are the hardest thing to figure out. They really are it's so hard. They're really really hard So really hard, but right now I'm having fun and that's awesome And I feel like I'm just like finally like back at the place where I like love being alone Yeah, and spending time by myself and where to shut my door and just do whatever amazing. What is your perfect ideal first date?

I don't think there is one I really think that first day It's always gonna be a little awkward and like I just like you know I feel like my first thing I do is probably try to drink because I'm so nervous I get really really nervous and it's such an awkward thing when like you know that you like technically are attracted to each other But like you have to like figure it out a little dance But I feel like in general just doing something like active like going to like an arcade or going Fun stuff yes doing something so you're not just sitting across the table being like yeah hello totally Yeah, how are you doing? Well, you can actually do something Yeah, but I also like I like when you show me like one of your favorite places that you actually like actually love going Instead of like I want to try out this new place like just show me like yeah Do you actually go are we what are we doing Kim? Are we fucking on the first day? Are we waiting like do you have any rules in your head or do you just do whatever the fuck comes to you?

I live in the moment. I've definitely done the first day You know fuck but I think it's usually when I do that like I'm then like not interested anymore It's like yeah I feel like it's just like I need to like give it time and like I need to be like obsessed with you and like you're like I need to let it simmer for a bit more I realize now because like once I broke up I would just like go home with like every single one of them every time and it was really be fun I had a great time, you know But I feel like when you when you really give it time it just makes it more special and cooler I love I love Kim thought you're breaking everyone's heart like gives them the best after day one and then you literally just ghosting everyone You're like I was happy that was great. I'm over it on to the next. Yeah, well.

I'm just like in the next city Yeah, right. Yeah, oh my god. That's actually that I never could say that you get you're over it once you have sex the first time You're just like that's boring. Okay.

I mean maybe it was just the guys Maybe it was just a situation. I don't like to like make a rule and generally but I think just like the guys like I went home with I was just like I just needed like rebound attention totally and so I just like yeah And I was like to I get it growing up. Who was your celebrity crush? Legolas in Lord of the Rings like Kim that wig You know him let me tell you something three three of the people that I like I'm like what's wrong with me number one Johnny Depp specifically as Captain Jack Sparrow.

Yes, okay number two legolas or little bloom specifically as the elf in Lord of the Rings The hair and ears and then Edward Cullen as the Empire, but I'm like wait What are we like weirdos that were like specifically as an elf? Yeah, no specifically as a no Yeah in the wig as that character. It was so hot. I know it was so hot because I totally Yeah, I don't know that was just like I remember like having a poster of him and just being so obsessed with him And I will forever be obsessed with him.

I'm I'm gonna do but you must think just like a list Like a person yeah, no blue and I bet Orlando Bloom never thought like of all the roles I've ever played Everyone in the world like the hottest version of you the hot elf baby hot elf I'm not kidding you guys have actually if you like if you don't have the context like if you just google him It you may all be like you guys are freaks watch the movie because the context is important. He's just so like I don't even remember He's just great his vibe is great. He's hot. He's amazing.

Yeah, and he looks amazing stunning I I have to be honest. I really never thought that I would sit across from someone in my entire career Legolas elf Orlando Bloom. I'm like what the fuck and that's my way on hand Call her daddy is brought to you by Dove Have you guys heard that Dove just dropped a dove reimagined version of the classic don't cha to launch their new alcohol free whole body Deodorant a true 90s baby throwback moment the best part is that doves new whole body deodorant is alcohol and aluminum free combining 72 Our odor control with nourishing skincare. It's gentle anywhere.

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Yes Slap pop is this really euro house dance 90s inspired EP and me and my friends will always make pop songs that were slightly slutty and say oh the slap pop and so I just decided to go with it and make an EP and just be the most slutty version of myself that I could wish I could be in life You know, but I feel like I'm too shy to be that all the time So yeah, I just kind of let let it all out on that one and a lot of people were really Had interesting reactions to it And I think it's the funnest thing in the world to scream out the most obscene shit and just be like I'm a fucking slut Fuck me, you know, it's just it's so freeing every time I do it. It's addicting and And yeah, I recommend to check it out. It's just what are some of your craziest lines that people haven't heard it It's like give it give them a little something okay These bitches can't suck like me walk in on the sucking clean look around all eyes on me jack it off I'm a sucky clean I'm the what's my name? What's my name?

I'm the throat goat. Yeah, yeah, it is it is poetic It's beautiful. It's touching me. It's pure beauty, you know, if you are it, you know You might not get it.

You might get it. You get it. Yeah, really get it like a slut little dirty bitch. I love to fuck It's so it's so good Kim other than your own catalog.

What's a song or an artist that you would also classify like slut pop Oh Britney Spears is back out era that it's just the best. Oh, oh like dirty and full-slut pop. Yeah That was definitely a huge inspiration for that. I also think that Kylie Minogue has a bunch of songs that I would put on Dude, I'm thinking about how you kind of said like people after slut pop like people were kind of intimidated by you Because it's like you're coming in here being like I am the throat goat like I like and all this shit When did you actually start to just become really confident about talking about sex?

Um, I think in general when I made that I think I was just like in a phase of my life where I felt like I was like a little You know just not talking about that part of my life enough enough so many friends and especially as a trans girl It's like that our sex workers I you know point is great point like sex workers work And it was a moment where only fence was gonna ban sex workers from its platform Which would have taken away like the likelihood of a lot of my friends And so I was like I don't think that if there's anything wrong with that and I think that like everybody needs to stop like Villanizing sex workers because there's a huge demand for it We need it and there's nothing to be ashamed of and I also always think you know If my life hadn't gone the way it did and I'm like been able to transition really early and stuff like that I would have probably you know done that to be able to transition and to be able to be myself So I wanted to take the shame out of it for my friends for myself And I think just in general people need to be less afraid of it and I think especially women and girls There's so much power in like loving sex like you should love it You should figure out what how you know what you like about it and not be you know, please men like that's not the goal I like insects It's like you having a good time And so I'm just a huge supporter of that and that's been something that's been hard for me to figure out You know because like I have always just been like crazy for guys And like how can I please him and anyway and once I kind of broke out of that It's about me too and yeah, so I love also that I had actually someone recently asked me this reporter was like I Back in the day of color daddy came up with this thing called the gluck luck 9,000 And it was just like you know my go-to blowjob move and I remember this reporter being like, you know, it's so good It's so good And I remember the reporter being like, you know, if you're a feminist like then like are you ashamed that you coined that term and that you were teaching Young girls how to get blowjobs I was like absolutely not because of course there are certain things in the past that I was like probably way to A piecing of a man, but it's like I just go to say like I love pleasing my partner Like that doesn't mean you can't be a feminist if you're like I also love giving my fiance head and like making him feel good That's part of sex and that gets me off by also making sure my partner is having a good fucking time So it's like we need to talk about the throat go because as much as we're like girls enjoy sex It's also like you can also be down and pleasing your partner is also a part of enjoying sex It's not just a one-off situation where you're just like by yourself do well You can do it by yourself, but when you're with a partner can you talk about the throat go? Can you talk about give us some tips give us a couple little you know can just give us like one little thing maybe like a little What are we doing I pull out the bottle? Yeah, I was iconic What is it using when she was like you do that and if you wear the invis line where the boss wearing this line I want to try that I like to call my identity I take a bottom in this line or like bitch your teeth are fine like just the bottom is the funnest thing like I love giving blowjobs It's my favorite thing in the world. It's I'm I pride myself in it and I think that's awesome It's all on you like your center stage.

It's your time to shine It's literally your time to shine and like watch me go I contact like that's a very important one and I don't know It's just like little sloppy. I love when boys really like that, you know and really I love it and I think it again I just like that we're talking about it because it doesn't there's nothing wrong with enjoying and pleasing your partner No, and I think sometimes all you know the people out there It's like if you are intimidated by it you have to just reframe the way that you're thinking about it It's supposed to be fun. You're supposed to it's playful. It's enjoyable.

Yeah, and if you if you don't enjoy it That's fine, too You know to find the things that you really love me. I love giving up giving head You know and I call myself a throw go and have been called that oh And that wasn't going to myself Would you say you're more dominant or submissive in the bedroom? I I'm pretty so be I'm glad I like I got a really like trust someone and like if you really like like me to Dom I will do it and I like when someone can give me a really specific like this is what I like to do this Like I love that and maybe that's why I'm subby because I just like I like in those situations to be told what to do And just do like do that But yeah, but also I can be don't I feel like I swing both ways love it love it when you say treat me like a slut What do you actually want your partner to do Kim? Fuck me I don't know then me over I'm not opposed to a little choking All that good stuff just just put me into position and go I love how you just push your glasses So I could you're like goodbye.

I'm just I'm not I can I contact with you right now, but the overpob you position. Let's go That's good. Yeah, okay good. Okay good Yeah, but I think in general just like make me feel like you really want me bad and neat me, you know like that's the hottest thing You can do okay on a just quickly on a little bit more serious.

No, um Nowhere yeah, just out of nowhere back in the car is awesome I should have like a little too aggressive a transition. I just realized but I love it. Okay. Call her daddy is brought to you by Dove Have you guys heard that Dove just dropped a dove reimagined version of the classic don't cha to launch their new alcohol free whole body deodorant a true 90s baby throwback moment the best part is that doves new whole body deodorant is alcohol and aluminum free combining 72 hour odor control with nourishing skin care It's gentle anywhere you apply it which keeps you feeling hot not burned for external use only the new Dove whole body deodorant alcohol and aluminum free Learn more at dove.ca.

This is a paid ad by BetterHelp if you've been feeling overwhelmed stuck anxious or unsure That's okay. Those feelings are more common than we honestly think whatever you're going through You don't have to go through it alone daddy gang having someone with you to listen and understand can make all the difference Whatever is keeping you up at night therapy with better help can provide you with tools to help you check in with yourself and gain support from experience professionals Better help is the world's largest online therapy platform Just take a short questionnaire to identify your needs and preferences and better help will handle the initial therapist matching work for you You can also feel confident knowing better help therapists work according to a strict code of conduct and are fully qualified You don't have to be on this journey alone find support and have someone with you in therapy sign up and get 10% off at betterhelp.com That's better h e l p dot com slash daddy Obviously everything that's going on with trans rights right now in America I just felt like it wouldn't be right if I didn't ask you obviously It's disgusting what's happening and we're clearly regressing How are you handling the hateful backlash for you know with the trans community? I feel like I need to hold it up for all the all the young kids that are trans and getting you know They're right taken away and all of that stuff that they're you know I I try to find the best causes to help I try to stay in touch with all my trans friends and all of that But just in general, I think it's brutal how people treat trans people It's just like everybody deserves to live their lives how they can you know and the way that they know how to get through life And I feel like the the judgment around it is still so intense and scary and There's so much like actual like murder and things like that in the trans community that are really really terrifying And it's such a beautiful beautiful community And that's one thing that I just like want people to know like the dolls have each other's backs Like we love each other and I feel like there's so many trans friends of mine that I couldn't live life without such like beautiful lights And just remember that and find the people who get you and who support you and Focus on that because I still get called a man every single day You know like and that's okay. It's funny to me at this point I'm like home around you know because like I'm yeah because I feel like I've been called like that since I was 12 and all of that so to me it's like Brush it off at this point But I know how like horrible that that situation can be and there's just a very public like hate campaign on trans people right now That's disappointing and sad But there's also a lot of people who really care and who really are pushing and just know that like it's an up and down swing with Trans rights like it has been with gay rights like it has been with anyone who's different than the norm and It's gonna probably get better and swing back around at least that's what I hope but in general know that like There's amazing people out there who have all got your back and think you're really beautiful and you deserve everything you deserve Love you deserve to be seen to you really truly are and don't settle for anything less I've done it and it sucks and Yeah, I love y'all.

Oh my god. Amen. Amen. Amen.

Let everyone live however. They want a fucking lip No, it's so annoying It's just so crazy like the progress we've made in some areas that we're still having these conversations and it's so infuriating Yeah, I mean especially in America it goes with like, you know birth control and things like that It's the same exact kind of thing where there's just people trying to tell people what they can and can't do with their bodies Right wrong and no one ever should and it really like and like makes it so much harder for people to just like live Their lives and make their own decisions and it's just so annoying that our bodies are still being policed by people and it's it's truly insane But I do think it's we are so fortunate that we can sit here and you can use your music And I can use this show as a platform to just like keep talking about it totally I hope anyone that it makes uncomfortable looking where does to why and like start doing work And I think everyone that is supporting like keep supporting and be vocal and post on social media And because I think it's so important that we just keep showing we aren't going anywhere Yeah, and and everyone should be able to do whatever they want and we need to get on board with that I know it's really not that hard It really only is hard to people who need to control other people in life to get to be comfortable in life Like you need to be able to control your woman to live with your ego and shit And so you know cuz you're too scared. She's gonna go in you know It's all to maintain their power. Yes, like have your power over there.

Let us have our power over here Fuck off totally like oh, we can see here for fucking hours. Tell them that they can't plus anymore You take away they're not they're like oh no yeah Oh Okay, you have a new album coming out. Yes, and I'm so excited for you the album is called feed the beast Yes, how did you call with that for me? It was it started with kind of feed the beat because I feel like I constantly need to listen to music and just do my thing over Beats then turn into feet the beast because I had an album leak and my label told me you got to get back in the studio Make new songs and go feed the beast and that was literally like okay Let me think about this and then I kind of thought about myself and like my personal ambitions And I've always wanted to really play the pop game I've always wanted to make big pop songs and big melodies and be like a real player in the music industry and You know do big shows and all of that and I was like there was a part of me That was a little ashamed of that for a while And I was like bad I'm like a gay club darling and like maybe that's just like all I want and all I want to be and I was like no like My passion is to go for it So go feed the beast go feed that what what I feel like almost ashamed of to want Go want that and own it and don't be afraid of it And you know so I feel like for me the album is a reminder hopefully to my fans to really find what it is that you can't live without and Go all out on it and don't be afraid to take up space and don't be you know scared to make it as as massive as you want to make It and as ridiculous as you want to make it and yeah, both eat that Kim How is now the different than past work that you've done?

I think I just I think I just had it like a shift creatively where I just like kind of was a bitch to my co-writes and took more control And was like I just really came in with like full songs flashed out again Kind of like I did in the very beginning before people like wanted to work with me I just came in with fully-fledged concepts and then just was like we're writing this and feel like I really took control I worked with some people I've never worked with before I like troweled I like did a bunch in Sweden I did a bunch in London So it really feels like that like major label really executed on the best level of my abilities and And I'm really grateful to my label for allowing me to do that and for allowing me to take the time to really make something That feels whole and complete and that feels this exciting because I think you're gonna freak when you're I am so excited Where is the perfect place to listen to this album like are we doing it at the club? Are we working out? Are we having sex? Are we on the beach?

What's the vibe in a car getting fucked? Literally Yeah, all of those places. I think that's the funnest thing about this I think it has a lot of a lot of club moments, but it also it does have a ballad Which is that kind of unconventional ballad which I'm excited for people to hear like never really do that like I'm very against ballads usually Like I love like Celine Dion, but I didn't think I could do that stuff right here. Here I come But yeah, I think you can really I think you can listen to it from front to back by yourself getting ready in the bathroom You can listen to it in the in the club you can all of that stuff So I think it's an overall Overall listening thing.

Yeah, I'm so excited for you and for thank you this summer. Are you going on tour? What are we not later this year like a little after summer and I was gonna be up But yeah, I'm going on tour And I'm so so excited to go on tour because it's been a freaking while and it's my favorite thing in the world and like I missed it like nothing else in the world and so I'll just be traveling I'm doing a bunch of really cool festivals like all over the world and Putting this tour together. I'm like in rehearsals a lot We're just like my happy plays I love being with my dancers and just figuring out the show and the lighting and every detail Lots of outfit changes gonna be go.

Yeah. Yeah, I want to see the outfit Yeah, I am so happy I got to sit down with you today I've been wanting to do this for so long and you are like I listen to you all the time So it's been an honor to be here You know like you truly have such an energy about you that you're so calm and alive and like you're like everything It's just so fun to be able to like sit with you and actually get to know your personality because you are so so sweet And funny and amazing and I just I can't wait to see what you do with your career This is amazing. Thank you so much. Thank you.

You're the best. Thank you. Daddy King. What?