Wake up. Wake up. Meow. Is that a...
is that a... That's Tiger, right? Does Tiger be here? Yeah.
So today we're interviewing a Tiger. Welcome to King Me Baby. Just kidding. It's called King Me Babies, plural.
Here there be babies. Here there be babies. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Here there be kings and babies. I am, dang, I already joined us always by Rob the Kitty Catty of On. Meow.
The jungle cat himself. You're... Oh boy. Oh boy.
And this week, do we got a Humdinger for you? Oh boy. We already said the name of it. You shouldn't be wondering what it is.
I mean, you've read the title on the podcast. You know what it is? You know what it is? You know what it is?
Okay. As a podcast listener, I gotta say, there should be an option to not see the title. What if I want to surprise? What if I want to be surprised?
I don't. Right. I don't. Yeah.
Usually people listening to podcasts hate surprises. Yeah. If I'm thinking about it. I'm thinking about it.
I think most people are just like, I want to know what I'm getting myself into here. Yeah. I think we should be the only podcast that surprises people. That should be our end.
We just stopped titling our episodes. No, we just put like, either misleading titles, like, like, I accept it. It'll just be like, the Joe Rogan experience will be the name of the show. If we started titling our episodes, the Joe Rogan experience.
I mean, our numbers might go up. Hey. We could do that. That would be pretty fun.
It might drive our, it might drive our like ratings down on, on Apple podcasts or whatever, get a bunch of one stars. I'll be like, these guys aren't dumb enough. They don't. What the fuck are they talking about?
I could follow the conversation the whole way through. They didn't just change gears all the time and go off in tangents and never return anything. The hosts weren't sleepy enough for me. Podcast ended after two hours.
What the fuck? It's not supposed to end. What am I, yeah, what am I supposed to do with the other five hours? I, I had to think for five minutes before I realized what was going on.
Okay. What I was actually thinking is we could just drop like abrasive sound effects at the beginning of the episode, like machine gun fire. You know, we should, we should layer in sound effects, but if people, to the point where like, if somebody had their headphones on, like we did it so like subtly and like in like, in a specific direction, yeah, within the cans, yeah, that like, they actually think something like, like, like fell down behind them and broke or whatever, you know, I want to get everybody to go like, to look over their shoulder and be like, Hey, what was that? Yeah.
I want people to be upset by it. Yeah. Right. I want them to come into the episode being already confused and upset.
We should pan at least. You're going, wake up and me going, wake up. I'm sitting here. Kind of thing.
Yeah. Yeah. But we're not doing that. We're not not this week.
Not this week. Maybe next week. This week we're talking about, well, let's be honest, here, here there be tigers. Here there be tigers.
The, this is a what this is from 2016, I believe the shortest from. I'm DB says 17. Oh, so take all of this with a grain of salt. We don't know nothing.
Directed by Mike Johnston. And Mike Johnston, a guy. Yeah. Fair to say.
Yeah, he's a guy. He's a guy, a Canadian filmmaker, short film makers specifically makes a bunch of short films. From what I could tell, he also works as like a crew member on a lot of like, Hallmark and lifetime productions or, you know, how like, Hallmark and lifetime, they like, out source production to like, Canadian film companies or whatever. That is like the fucking gig, man.
If you could be a director that just directed those like Hallmark movies, you never like, you never go without work. It's like, it's easier than data entry. It's effectively conceptually the same as data entry. Right.
It's just like, all right. Well, this moment goes here and that moment goes there. Yeah. And act like you're a small town girl in the big city.
He's a high-pressure boyfriend is kind of shit. Yep. I mean, he's only concerned with like money and he doesn't really understand the true meaning of Christmas, which for you is a deal breaker. Right.
It's just funny to imagine a kind of person who couldn't reconcile the idea that Christmas isn't extremely important to their partner. Right. It's like their whole personality. And then, you know, obviously, yeah, just like, just like posting on like Reddit and shit being like, am I being gaslit by my partner?
They keep saying that Christmas isn't that big a deal. Am I gashol for going back to my hometown and falling back in love with my high school boyfriend who owns a year round Christmas tree business? It's the most profitable business in town, actually. Yeah.
Well, no, it's not, right? It's like on the, it's maybe about to go bust, but then because she works in marketing, she's like, all you need is a new look. And that's how we'll get your year round Christmas tree business. Yeah.
Okay. Yeah. Then the next day, like, yeah, she, like business is like bustling, like they're over one. They're like, we sold out of all of our Christmas trees today.
We're gonna have to get more in. I mean, we should do a Hallmark movie on this, this year podcast. I would love to. There's a man, I have to find the name of it, but there's one that was like, Netflix put it out as like a Netflix original from a few years ago.
And it has one of the funniest things I've ever seen in it, which was like the main character the woman is like supposed to be like an artist or one of them supposed to be an artist. Right. And they're like, someone like walks in on them drawing or whatever and they're like, can I see and show them and they're like, this is really good. And it's like a, like a child's drawing of Santa going down a chimney.
It's got that thing where like the beard is sort of drawn on as an afterthought with like, you know, like the bumpy like cloud shape. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Where they were just like, just draw a Santa going down a chimney. We just want you to, you like, we don't have time. You just draw it. Enough.
There, I don't know. It's a whole fucking like business. You would think that just producing the same movie, hundreds and hundreds of times, you know, people get sick of it. But I mean, it's a whole channel.
Yeah. Like they're, that's what they do. And that's what people go there for. They sort of like, like, yeah, people want to give them guff for making the same movie over and over again and just having a whole channel for it.
But that's also what like Comedy Central does, except they show the office for 10 hours a day. You know, it's just like the office channel, right? It's the office and South Park and the daily show with Trevor Noah once. They show that for as little time as possible.
They show without commercials for 20 minutes. Oh, man. Yeah. The office thing like blows my mind.
Anytime I've like been like, what's on Comedy Central just flipping through? I'm just like, it's the office. It's just always the office. I cannot watch that show.
Nothing makes me feel more like I have a fever than the office. And not because it's like, oh, I stayed home from school, watching when it was sick all time. It's literally just like, it makes me like is, I don't know. It just bums me out in a way that nothing else can.
The idea of liking your coworkers, I think I find appalling. Yeah, I get that. The office, when it was on TV, I used to like it. And Jesus Christ, it's like, I thought it was funny, but it's not that funny.
That's the thing. The first couple of seasons are funny because they're meaner. Yeah. And then I don't know.
Like, Harriet Potter adults were like, these people are my friends. And then the people making the show were like, I guess we have to make them their friends now. Right. No, it's like, I want to know.
I want to know what my friend Angela and Creed, I want to know what they're up to. Creed's crazy. He's so crazy. Oh, he's crazy.
And you know, what's the guy that Michael Scott hates in the off Toby and Toby is this grant and strangler. That's why that's why 30 rocks legacy is like, you know, for his, um, on PC is some of those, those bits of, you know, some of that is not age well, but it's legacy will always be more intact than the office because it was to its core, a deeply mean, bitter show. Yes. And this took any of the shithead characters for heroes, friends.
Yeah. I could watch, you know, rewatch 30 rock. Like once a year, I'll probably like rewatch 30 rock. And then like the office, I can't watch a single episode.
It's so like, it's so claustrophobic. And then like, and again, that's fine if the show is just like not trying to be like a happy friendship, everyone's doing office Olympic goof around or whatever. But like the combination of everyone being nice to each other and also being trapped in an office with them is like the most oppressive feeling in the world. It's like someone's pointing a gun at me.
Yeah, it makes no sense. It's like, it's like standing over a mask grave. Same feeling. It gives me the same feeling of despair.
It's like you heard it, Dan, Dan thinks that, you know, watching the office is like standing over a mask grave. Especially. Yeah. Those later seasons.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, unwatchable. I would consider that unwatchable.
I'm standing over a mask grave with a gun to my head and Will Ferrell is what's his name like Johnny Orlando. He's pulling the trigger. Yeah. Sure.
Johnny, you know, James Spader. Yeah. All of it. Terrible.
Anyway, anyway, but here there not be office characters here. They're tigers. Right. There, there are no here office here.
There be tigers. As Rob put it so succinctly, there no be here office here. Dan, did you like this short film? Um, no, not really.
I mean, it looked great. There's some like, some nice sort of like filmmaker flourishes, double F's. We'll call them. Yep.
You got that like one like Edgar Wright style quick cut as he's going into the bathroom, right? We see like, it's like trousers drop them like door locks on the stall or whatever. Yeah. That kind of thing.
So I thought it looks fine. I also thought the, the, uh, wind Sue who plays Miss Bird. I thought she was, uh, she has one of the best line reads I've ever heard. Period.
Was it, was it urinate? Yes. She knocked that out of the park. Yeah, she did.
Boy. I'm like it. No, I'm with you here. I, I think it looks really good.
Um, like you said, and you know, I honestly, I don't think anybody is like particularly, like nobody's bad in this. Like you got a bunch of kid actors and stuff, but nobody, nobody's terrible. And it's just like kind of, I don't know. It's kind of a nothing.
It's kind of a zero. Yeah. That's, that's exactly how I felt. And you know, watch it, but you know, when I got to the end of this, um, first of all, it's only five, this shorts only like five minutes long.
And when it got to the end, I was like, was there like three minutes of credits? Like I was kind of surprised. It took four minutes or whatever, four and a half minutes, which I guess is to its credit, right? Like it moves right along.
Sure. But, uh, yeah, um, it also, right, just like kind of nothing happens. I don't know, but it's not clear arc to the story. Right.
And I was, you know, at the end of it, I was like, surely this, the short story will fill in some gaps here. I can't really say that it did. No, I don't think it did either. You know, we'll talk about that later.
Yeah. Of course, of course. So, you know, uh, so the phrase here, there be tigers, right? Cause like after watching this, so I watched it and then I read the story, right?
And I was still, you know, very, uh, very confused as to what the fuck any of this was about, you know? So I, I did some digging. I know that. So there's a, another short story by, uh, Ray Bradbury called here, there be tigers.
Yep. Hasn't this, the Stephen King thing has nothing to do with the Ray Bradbury story at all. That is correct. Yes.
It's not a reinterpreting, nothing. The Ray Bradbury version or the story of same name, I guess, is like, uh, sort of like, uh, you know, right? They go to a planet that sort of grants their every wish and the astronauts who go to the planet decide to go back and report that they found nothing. Just like sort of like humanity couldn't handle the responsibility of a place like this sort of thing.
Yeah. Right. I think it's like, that's the point. Yeah.
It's kind of like a, it's like a Twilight zone E kind of thing, like classic Bradbury. Yeah. Um, this is not that it seems to, I mean, I'm sure that, um, uh, you know, I mean, I'm sure that, um, the title is like in some, to some degree a reference to that because it's like a famous enough story that I think a young Stephen King would have been aware of this when he was writing it. I would imagine so.
Yeah. Um, but no, this, I mean, this is literally about a tiger. Yep. There be here.
Tiger. Oh, right. Here be tiger. Um, yeah, I don't know.
Um, the phrase here, there be tigers is, um, I guess they used to use it for, to describe, uh, on maps, like unexplored territories. So it just is like a, we don't know what's over here. So, you know, assume tigers. Yeah.
We, we just assume that there are like a shit ton of tigers over here. So I don't know. I think this is, I think this is from the era when like tiger may have been a stand in for just like unknown beast. Like, you know, and they draw, they'd be like, I saw the craziest thing.
It was a cat with a man's face. Right. You know, you see those old drawings, like watch out. It really looked like that.
No, it really looked like that. I know. There's some like, like some story, like about the, the Red Sea and how I guess when they initially like were writing about that, they didn't have a word for blue. Yeah.
Yeah. So it was like, right, they were like, we don't know how else to describe it. It's red. I don't know.
Yeah. Well, what it, it's, um, so what it is is like, I think in the Odyssey or the Iliad, one of those two, the way, yeah, the way that oceans are described are being like the color of wine. So like deep red, because they're just like, yeah, yeah, everything's just kind of red. You ever notice how it's all red?
Yeah. It's these red skies red. It's all red. Yeah.
Yeah. I don't know. Um, yeah, then somebody was like, we got it. I don't know.
I don't know. I don't know. Maybe there should be more colors. Maybe we have the technology now.
Maybe we can have more than three colors. That's, that's what ruined everything. Yeah. Do you think you think blue ruined everything?
Yeah. It was a better time before we had back in my day. Yeah. Dark red and light red and purple red.
And that was it. I was saying we were happy. That's like, I'm one of the guys that's like, you know, it was better back then. But back then is like, you know, 10,000 years ago.
Yeah. That's, um, oh, so you're even going, you're not even like, uh, like a return to tradition. Like, no, okay, that's cool. That's good to know actually.
I'm like, I'm going like dawn of man. I'm like, yeah, things were better when there were only like some human beings, but mostly the Andrew. Yes. Oh, yeah.
And since the dawn of man, the eggheads have ruined everything. Oh, he's fucking nerfed all the blue and shit. God damn it. Forget it.
So here there be tigers in school. What? That's crazy. And you know what else is crazy?
What? Miss Bird is such a bitch, dude. A B I T C H. Yeah.
She is a bitch. Yeah. And we'll get into this later, but God won't punish you if you just spell it out instead of seeing you. Right.
Uh, so the story opens with, uh, with a few kids in detention. Uh, we know it's detention because on the board it says detention film is after all a visual medium. Oh my God. Now they say show don't tell, but this ain't show and tell.
This is the right. So this is detention. Um, I just, that's so funny just to be like the director and be like somebody write detention on this. I'm like, for it.
Uh, so it, I mean, so the kids here, they're like young kids. They're probably like, you know, eight to 10. I can actually confirm that the lead of this movie, his name is Logan. I'm assuming.
Uh, oh, you and G. Um, he is, he's 11. He's 11 at the time of this production. Huh?
He's probably 10 at the time of production. I'm reading it. There's a, there's a website called Stephen King short store, Stephen King short movies.com slash dollar. Uh, and they do like, I found like little interviews with everybody involved with this movie and one of them is the boy and at the time.
So this was an interview from November 8th, 2017 and he says he is 11 years old and a double black stripe and type one dough. Wow. So he's like a double threat. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. And fucking and fuck you up. That's like on his, on his resume, like on his head shot.
Special skills. Yeah. Yeah. Fucking guys up.
I trained under Stephen Seagal. Um, so he, yes. Um, yeah, these are like probably 10 year old kids and, um, there's three kids in detention and Miss Bird is, she just seems like a real bitch. Dude, she is.
She's sitting there reading her book and then she sees a little, what's his name? Charles? No. Yes.
Yeah. She sees Charles like fidgeting his legs and tapping his toes and shit and she's like, Charles, do you have to go to the bathroom? And he's like, he gets all like weird and shy and stuff and then she's like, yes. She's like, yes, what?
Yes. So I have to go to the bathroom. And like the other kids start laughing, which I also thought was weird because it's like, I don't know when you were growing up, did kids laugh at each other for going to the bathroom? I, I cannot recall a time when that happened.
Right. Like successfully holding it, like not going in your pants. Yeah. That's not funny.
That's normal. Yeah. Applause. You can do that.
Right. Um, Dan, uh, so in my pants recently. Yeah. When was the last time you just had an accident?
I mean, I'm, I'm going to say that's like 20 dollars. I mean, if you want to talk about dance. Yeah. Yeah.
Dan, you know, I never went to the bathroom in school ever. You never. Are you joking? No.
Okay. Good. Cause I wouldn't really get it if you were. It's not, it's not a set up.
It's not. Yeah. It's just, uh, I was just like, oh yeah. I never in my entire like all through like elementary school, high school, everything, like never went to the bathroom.
Why on principle? Or you're just like, don't got to go. Yeah. I mean, you know what?
I think there were probably, there were definitely days when I probably had to go, but like I don't know. Uh, I just, I was just like, I can hold this until I go home or whatever. Huh. And that's, uh, and that's why I have kidney stones every day.
My kidneys are stones. Yeah. You're just like always passing. Damn man.
Yeah. You're your refra is just a dog shit. Yeah. It's gone.
Yeah. It looks like, um, it looks like, uh, you know, those like, uh, party, party favors where you like blow in the tassels go. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got the thing where Bugs Bunny puts his finger in the end of the rifle and just the hand peels.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
So, uh, hold on a little bit about me. No, a little more. Yeah. I think this has no ripple effect like in, in your life.
Like, do you feel like this speaks to your psyche in any way outside of that? Uh, yeah. I mean, definitely. You think it's just like, do you think you'd be doing this podcast if you had peed in school?
That's a great question. Like the butterfly effect of like, uh, just being, you know, I can't even tell you exactly why I didn't like go to the bathroom in school. It was just like, it may be like a comfort thing, you know? Like, I just want to be like comfortable in my own bathroom.
Okay. So, you know, I'm thinking at, uh, like a weird journal that's like full of ice to the floor. Yeah. You went to school in the back of a bar, right?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I don't know. But yeah, probably I could see my entire life being different if I just went to the bathroom when I had to. You'd be, you might be like a senator or something. I would probably be running Twitter right now.
He does not seem like awful. He seems like a guy who has weird bathroom stuff for sure. Yeah. Yeah.
No, he definitely has weird bathroom stuff. Uh, enjoys watching and being watched going to the bathroom. He's one of those guys. I feel like I would not be surprised if I learned he had like a mission to like make his body so efficient that he never went to the bathroom.
Like eat and drink just nutrients so that he never had waste. Right. Just running at a hundred percent efficiency. Yeah.
Um, God, he's so smart. Oh my God. He's such a genius. Do you know about his thing with, um, he wants to like, sire half the world's population?
I mean, like, I didn't know that specifically, but I knew that he's a fucking wild, egomaniac and they all kind of wanted to have. I've done so dumb. So dumb. Oh my God.
With all of this Twitter stuff that's happening right now, it also came out that he didn't graduate. Yeah. That was sort of like, that one I actually knew and just. Oh, yeah.
I mean, like, I think I knew that also, but I was just, I don't think everybody knew it. Yeah. Yeah. It's good that everybody knows for sure.
Oh, definitely. Also, oh my God. Yeah, he's such a, he's so epic though. That's the wrong reason.
He's so wrong. He's even quality is that he's so fucking epic. Okay. Yeah.
So what do we be talking about birds at a time when they're do hear their be tigers? They do hear be their tigers. Then their tigers. They do be here.
So this little boy who by the way, Charles is dressed in a orange and white striped shirt. I did notice that. A little tigerish. If you ask me, is he a tiger?
I mean, that's so like, this is what's so nothing has ever cleared up in this short film, right? He's through the other two plot points real quick. Let's, you know, let's breeze through the other two minutes of this animal. Right.
We've spent a lot of time not talking. It's shocking that we haven't gotten through the plot of this movie yet. Right. So the kid goes, he goes in the bathroom, sits down on the toilet, can't go.
He hears like a growling. Then he climbs out from like underneath the stalls and he sees a tiger. We don't see a tiger. He sees a tiger.
And then he runs out. We're looking at him like through tiger vision, basically. Exactly. It doesn't look different, but it is from the POV of a big tiger.
Which made me feel good. Yeah. I felt very empowered by that. Right.
I felt like I could just rip this kid apart and then go go about my day. You know, then he so he runs out of the bathroom and then he one of the kids that's also in detention, I think his name is like, can I get his. Yeah. He he's like Miss Bird sent me to look for you because you've been gone for like a million years and and he's like, I couldn't go to the bathroom.
There was a tiger in there and Kenny's like, what bullshit? Like what? Stop. You go and then they go to the bathroom and Kenny goes into the bathroom alone and then you just hear like a roar and that's it.
And then when Charles walks into the bathroom, he sees like a piece of Kenny's shirt like ripped up on the floor. Do you know what I said at this point in the movie as I was watching it? What was that? I said, I put my hand over my mouth and I said, Oh my God, you killed Kenny.
You bastard. I said, that's good. That's funny. It's pretty funny stuff, right?
Yeah, it's pretty funny stuff. So we agree. Yeah. Kenny is always funny.
Do they still do that? So far? That's a good question. I don't know what they do on Southmark.
I think it's live action now. I do. So what's at Charles, he still has to go to the bathroom. So he climbs up onto the sink and start and peas in the sink.
And this is when Mrs. Bird comes into like bursts into the bathroom and she's like, is that what he's doing? Filthy little boy. Yeah.
Okay. Yeah. And then, you know, she yells at him and brings it back to detention and then he looks over at the empty seat where Kenny was sitting. And then that's it.
Well, then we cut back to the door. Yeah. Beyond which is only darkness and tigers. Allegedly.
Yeah. And we hear like a tiger growl and then we get a fast zoom. Yes. And then we get the pretty slick looking title card, which is like in the Stephen King font with like the sort of elect, it's the stranger things thing.
Yeah, it's a stranger thing. It's a stranger thing. Where there be stranger thing thing. Yeah.
I feel like there was maybe a little bit too much effort put into this, these titles here, you know. Yeah. The titles, the score is also a lot. Yep.
Big score. A lot of music. A lot of music. I was shocked that you said this before.
There's a full minute of credits in this five and a half minute video and there are a lot of people that worked on it. Yeah. It's an entire film crew. Right.
It's like first AD, second AD. You have a camera like two KAs. Two KAs. Yeah, at least in KAs.
Yeah. Just in cameras. Digital imaging technician. Gaffer, Keygrip, Rigging grip, Dolly grip, lamp operator.
But you know what I think? If I had to guess, yeah, this is a Canadian enterprise here. Right. Only non-enterprise because that would be against the rules of the dollar baby contract.
Right. The ability that you cannot profit commercially from your work. Right. Here there be.
Here there be loonies. By which I mean, doesn't Canada give out like film grants and shit? So is it entirely possible that just like he got funding to make this? It is possible.
I don't know if he has to. There's no reference to that in the credits. In the credits, which I think he would have to put in there. But I don't know.
Produced in the Department of Theatre and Film in the University of British Columbia. There we have our answer. There be answers. Here there be answers.
An answer is spelled with a Y instead of a W? It's definitely crazy. Here there be answers. Yeah.
What's the name? The Cronenberg. His first couple movies were filmed using Canadian government grant money. Filmed using Canadian loonies.
Yeah. A lot of loonies there. Yeah. That's what happened.
How about a poem? Because his films are usually about a bunch of loonies. It's like a sexual loonies. Yeah.
I think it's rabbit. I don't know if it says like, it's one of his early ones. Like one of his first like three or four movies. And it has, it stars Marilyn Chambers who is a porn actress from like the 70s.
And she gets into a motorcycle accident. The doctor's graft like skin onto her. And then obviously that goes horribly wrong. It causes a vagina obviously to form in her armpit.
Oh, God. And inside of that vagina, it's not actually a penis, but it sure looks like it's a phallic thing. And that's what like attacks other people and like spreads this disease. You know, it's, it's early chronic.
Like, which disease? It's like it's like a guillotine. Yeah. It's I mean, it's rabies adjacent.
Oh, yeah. It's like rabies. It's like people, other people vagina armpits. Ah, good question.
I don't remember. I just remember there was just one scene where they like had a close up of the thing in her armpit. And that was like very weird. You know, and I try.
Yes, I try. Yes. And right now was obviously rock hard. People attracted to it in the movie.
They want to have sex with the armpit. No, they're attracted to her. She's a pretty lady. And then she she'll seduce them and then, you know, then things go horrible wrong.
And then they they become ratted. And then they spread the disease. It's kind of like a zombie movie, you know, like through the eyes of, you know, Corona Virgin is is always put his need to put vaginas anywhere but where they go. Okay.
Okay. Last last question about this is her name. Marilyn Chambers. Is that a reference to like her holes?
Marilyn. Oh, like chambers here. There be chambers. You know, I never I never thought of it that way could be.
Marilyn Chambers she she's not just because she's like boudoir, right? Like bedroom chambers quarters. Yeah, it could be like it was she was in this movie. The movie was called Behind the Green Door, which was like it's definitely pornography, but it's also considered like art, house porn, critics agree.
It's definitely pornography is definitely born. Roger. But yeah, it was it's like it was at that time in the 70s when they were like, I don't know, maybe porn is like a version of like a genre of movies that, you know, adults can go all see in a movie theater without jerking off, you know, nice, nice, yeah, nice try guys, but we're jerking off here. So that's Marilyn Chambers.
Okay. All right. You know, jerk off theaters, but here there be type. There be Rubens.
Yeah. Right. Fred Willard. Yeah.
Yeah. I love the Fred Willard one because it's just the Fred Willard one is so funny because I was like 10 years ago or something. He's an older guy though, you know, he's not so good. I have my I have my nephew try to explain it to me.
This goddamn internet. I can't get it to work. There's a whole hub for porn now. Okay.
Okay. Yeah. Tiger is do you think so we think he do we think the boy is the tiger is the tiger? So like why would that be?
Yeah, you know, like so in watching this, I was like, wait, I noticed the shirt and I'm like, okay, are they is that what we're getting to? Is that is this some sort of like unconscious thing or like some sort of like split personality kind of thing where part of him is a 10 year old boy in detention and another part of him is a tiger. Yeah. I really don't think that's it.
I don't know what this story is like really about like at first I thought it was like just kind of a oh, it's it's about being like scared maybe of being in like, you know, like there's this weird feeling when you're in school and there's nobody there, you know, like if you've ever had like detention or something, you're like the there's usually like hundreds of people like just sort of like moving through the hallways and stuff in a school and and when you're when it's after hours or whatever, it's just like this wide open building. Right. That's like creepy. We talked about this recently.
We compared I forget what story it was, but in compare it we talked about it in comparison to the shining like same sort of thing where right. Yeah. Yeah. A space which kind of only exist like you only think of it as existing full of people and then right and like something to that you're like you are familiar with you go to school like every day or whatever, but then it turns into this other thing when there's nobody there and like this place I was so familiar is no longer the same place.
That's initially what I thought they were going for. That's not ultimately what I think the story is about. Yeah. That's the thing like I didn't even get that.
I don't know what this is about. Yeah. Right. Like and even with so are we to believe that there's an actual tiger or some sort of like, you know, like a demon as a tiger, some sort of a, you know, supernatural tiger in the bathroom that gobbles up Kenny?
I guess. Kenny never comes back. Yeah. Kenny never comes back.
But like the bathroom isn't like drenched in blood or anything like that. It's just you see people like torn t-shirt on the ground. Yeah. I don't know.
And I will say, you know, we'll talk about the short story in a bit, but it is a lot clearer that there is really a tiger in the bathroom. Yeah. You know, right. So I think not being able to show a tiger is detrimental to the show.
Yeah. Do you want to hear what director Mike Johnston has to say about this? Please. Please.
Sort of like what led him to this story and what his thinking was. So he says, and I quote, there's a quote. Okay. There's no longer me.
I want you to imagine Mike Johnston saying this because that's what happened. Right. He says, I think what interested me so much in here there be tigers is that I found the character of Charles very relatable, especially to a young me. I was always the kid who was daydreaming in elementary school, never really listening in class.
And I saw a lot of that in Charles, especially with how I chose to adapt the film, the realism of the tigers up for debate and for the audience to interpret in their own imagination, which is really what Charles is doing. He is this boy with a wonderful imagination who at the end of the day, just wants to go to the bathroom and get back to class. I found this very relatable and I think a lot of kids can too. Okay.
So it's so silly. So this is a story of going to the bathroom. Right. But it's also like not clear to me like what the tiger would represent or like even just like on an emotional level, is it just like, is it just kind of what you're saying?
It's just like P shyness. Right. I can't. Right.
So that's again, initially what I thought was like, okay, well, maybe, right, maybe this is about this kid, like literally just being shy to P like he can't go to the bathroom in the school bathroom, which hey, relatable to a young rabbit on. Yeah. But and an old and adolescent one from what I'm hearing. Yeah.
Have you ever gone to the bathroom outside your home? Well, yeah. No. Yes.