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At the darkest time of night, turn off all lights in your home and sit there in the pitch black. Embrace the darkness as your eyes slowly adapt and your ears pick up just how loud the silence is. Whispy or sponge of offer into the lack of light. We always do.
Have you ever been afraid of the monsters that lurks in the dark or turning off the light in the basement? Have sworn you see something in the pitch black night? Today we step headfirst into the living darkness and answer who is null, the original king of black, the creator of the symbiotes. Heads up.
This episode can expose for Marvel comics related to the characters null, Eddie Brock and Venom enjoy. So you know my least favorite, least favorite trait in someone that isn't like an obvious criminal thing right? Like throw away all of the major awful things like obviously I would hate a murderer more than I hate this trait, but my least favorite one that I see all the time, especially from students red uni. And that is people that leave rubbish really close to bins, but not in the bin.
Like they dump stuff, like you'll have students in the kitchen, they'll have all their takeaways, they'll have all their fucking snacks, they bought up the road and they'll leave all the boxes from their takeaway next to the bin. What have been full? No, no, when the bins empty and they leave it. What about decoration?
What about the character Jude? No, I'm on Jude said I think that's actually worse than being a murderer. There's levels of psychopaths. I can appreciate that a murderer is worse than that, but I can also appreciate that I think you have a worse personality.
We know it's really funny Matt. There is no got this cold open is because you left your Ed Bull can next to the bin empty and I saw it before we started. There's a reason for that. You're worse than a murder.
We got it. We got it. We got it. Take away.
No, that is going the recycling bin. There's no recycling bin in this building. The bin you put in that is next to the bin. And I care about the environment.
It's actually a mixed bin because when I am did I sort it out. I don't know that you sort of the bin. It's it has a whenever I see a bin with a plastic lining. I assume it's a plastic lining gets reused because we just get one dig.
I think that's more like a path than anything we talked about. Oh, it's fine. It's reused. You want to waste plastic bags?
No, but I think you want to put them in turtles mouths. Matt wants turtles to eat fucking plastic bag. You're first folks. I want to eat.
Yeah, turtles are going to eat and leave no crumbs. I can't. Where would the panties go on a turtle? No, it doesn't work.
It's like it's like jeans on a horse. It's like jeans on a horse where it's like trying to apply these sort of human clothing standards to animals always just ends up looking kind of goofy. I think Scooby Doo should be wearing pants though. That guy.
Now he's letting he's letting it. If an animal creature in a universe has sentience should they start wearing clothes? I think if they're the only one maybe not. I think I think it depends on well but yeah, I suppose it depends because there's like poo bear situations where it's like there's nothing down there.
That man that man that thing is a you but is it only because it's a cartoon so they don't show us or has you implying that the real version of Winnie the Pooh fucking hanger out of Schwanger had to ding dang like he's got to shut on so he's clearly aware that he can wear clothes. He has to choice. You know how like dogs that they're holding down. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I've never seen a bear penis. It's long as I neither. Yeah, this is really good for the fact that I just hold a bunch of people at my work about this podcast. I don't subscribe to it.
See this episode come up and be like, Oh cool bear cock. Jesus Christ. It's my favorite part of the new Transformers movie when they steal his cock. Okay, no, okay.
Condates is a lie where he says I steal his cock and it kind of sounds like he's saying I stole his cock. Do you know what I think there is a bit of respect for with animals though? I think that we really have to respect the one universal piece of clothing that will work on any animal. That's correct.
Yeah, a little pop paddle, Stetson, a little bucket hat on a fish. I think I say a bow tie. Also good. However, but does it does mean it needs a neck?
Where you putting the bow time on the draft at the top of the bottom? Really? Yeah, because both eyes like with the chair. But then you take a photo of the gut like you get like he's like take a portrait on me take my photo see my face.
No, but you think about where you wear a bow tie on your neck though. You don't wear it the top of your neck or where at the bottom of your neck. I do if you wear your fucking psychopath underneath my chin bucketing my little chin chin. And don't give out psychopaths.
Oh, I'm right. I'm going back to Marvel today. Oh, you are a psychopath. We're on this chain.
We're never leaving mostly because today this was supposed to come out two weeks ago, but scheduling issues has been a problem. My computer did also explode. That also did happen. Did I tell you that that was because I didn't have the fans plugged in?
So the CPU was just immediately overheating. So when I went oh it crashed, I turned it back on again. It was just me repeatedly overheating the CPU. Why did you unplug the fans?
I didn't unplug them. They unplug themselves. It's a long story. I don't about I don't appreciate you interrupting me, but I do appreciate your ability to actively tell on yourself when you don't have to.
You don't have to say you're this is my substitute for therapy. I just confess things to our patrons and listeners. That's fair. Check your fans.
I plugged in. But today there's been many things happening in Marvel Universe. Some say it's dead. Some say it's just beginning.
No one's saying that actually. No, no, no one. But this, well, as I've recorded this last week, last weekend, come, let's just come. And when this comes out the previous week, venom the last dance has come out finishing the venom trilogy and interesting interesting new character called no, which is a big character in the comics.
And according to the rumors, I haven't seen the movie yet. I've heard it's about on the same level as the other venom movies. So if you like the other venom movies, you like it. If you don't, you probably won't.
They're fine. Yeah, it's fine. They're not offensive. But well, I haven't seen any of them.
So I wouldn't know. The only thing I know is that it's the only Marvel movie where the main character goes the whole time looking like a wet dog and never has like a shirt off or like a glow moment. He's just wet the whole time. As he should be.
I'm not even deserves to be wet. But Marvel's going to be in many different directions right now. I think there could be an all interesting things happening. And if they have any sort of success coming out of this movie, Noel might be a big area in the MCU going forward, or at least maybe a character.
But knowing big characters that do a really cool thing in the comics, they're probably just fucking up like they did go the god. But anyway, maybe they'll do a good one like a thunice. But we'll see. Anyway, I don't think I really need to explain Marvel Comics to you.
Marvel Comics has been around since the 50s. Well, originally since the like 30s as timely comics, but then they changed into Marvel Comics in 1961. And they'd be making things like Iron Man, Captain America, Spider-Man. We all know what Marvel Comics are.
We all know the MCU. And we all know like Sony owns some of the Spider-Man stuff in Venom. So yeah, today we're going to be getting into more of what kind of Sony owns today. But also we're going to get into the origins in the comics of these characters.
Oh, interesting. Okay. So it's not Marvel. It is Marvel Comics.
It's not it's Marvel. It's just not Disney. Yes. Gotcha.
Yes. I'm so immersed in the Marvel Disney, but I forget the other one exists. I'm also going to introduce something to you that I've been struggled to get into another episode. So so vast.
So feel free to I'm going to give a bit of an introduction and then we'll ask then you can ask some questions. You'll allow me. Yes. I'll permit at least a question.
But yeah, does that sound good? That sounds delightful. Okay. In the very beginning, there was nothing.
No time, no space, no anything. And then out of the darkness, there was the first cosmos, a single unchanging eternal universe just existing. No expansion, nothing moving, nothing changing, just the first cosmos. Soon this universe personification, the force of the universe itself called the first tournament became lonely.
It decided to create the aspirants and the celestials to fill the universe. The aspirants were loyal, creating creating things in their Lord's image. They basically said, hey, create these as they will be. Do make them change.
I have thought about how I want the universe and I'll make it that way, right? Basically how kind of like in a way, the Christian God would want the universe. I invented this the way and it was good. I cooked on this one.
Yeah, you know, but the the celestials, I had a shellless cook. Sorry. Yeah, the celestials had a different thought. They wanted things to change.
They wanted to, they wanted to let their creations evolve, grow, die, things to go in their own direction. They wanted, they wanted change. So therefore the original celestial war broke out with the celestials and aspirants fighting over the entire universe using godly powers we couldn't even imagine in this first universe, right? These are the first creations.
These are like all powerful beings in this universe, all fighting. And they eventually fought for unknown amount of time until the celestials finally winning, shattering the first tournament into pieces and creating hundreds of new universes, which dawned the creation of the second cosmos. So originally there was only one universe and this destruction of the personification of this universe basically hundreds of different other universes. So this created the second cosmos, a new, a new where new ideas could be made, including the very concept of death.
So now the universe, now that something has died, death has been created. Okay, so we had the first static universe. Yeah, the guy who said it's perfect. Don't, don't cook, don't change.
A bunch of the people who were setting it up went, let's cook a little. Busted it, killed the representation of the cosmos, the personification of the universe. And the second cosmos is just an encapsulation of all the universes that popped off from that. Yeah, cool.
And now there's death. Yes, good fucking job, celestial, you'd be kids. They created death and they created the concept of the all death, which is basically the death of the entire universe. It's amazing.
But this also, this also with death comes life, right? With life comes death with death and life, they create the cycle and they basically convince the second cosmos because when a new person came around, the personification of the new cosmos was came around as well. Basically, in the world where there's something powerful, there's a power for the force in the world, a personification will appear. Okay, that's cool.
I like that. That's usually kind of like an extension of the Norse god pantheon of like, this is the god of a concept, but expanded to like creation. That's fun. Yeah, something will come around to personify a powerful enough force in the Marvel universe.
Nice. And what the celestial is basically, I think I think the celestial basically talked to him to it, but I think because they kind of survived most of these collapses, but the second was basically we're like, huh, and all death. So just everything started and restarting. Huh, let's try that and just decided to end the universe and all the universes that are created.
And thus started the cycle of rebirth in the cosmos. So basically, this second cosmos went, okay, let's try that and destroyed itself and surely, and then it was to remake it again. Still the second cosmos, though, not on to the third. Six second one in the last one.
No, there wasn't much change in the second one. The second one is basically kind of a stepping stone to the third. There wasn't a lot that happened. Basically, it was the start of new life, the side of ideas being possible that weren't that one universe remember, because we had hundreds of universities.
So we don't know how much time this was, this could have been billions of years ineffective because they also invented the idea of fucking it all up and starting again. Exactly. Right. But there wasn't any particularly important thoughts except the all death and death itself.
Then the third cosmos, the first true multiverse with endless worlds was created. So this is new to this is new coming. The third cause of learning what being and not being from this last cycle. Now wanted to learn about the conflicts between existing and nothingness, life and death.
So this is said to be the first the first true narrative of existence, continuing the, so basically they've now born the idea of a story in a sense, right? So you are born, you die and doing it itself. That is now existing throughout the multiverse. Not much else is discovered in this.
There are probably billions of races that got created and stuff like that, but we'll never know their true story. Continuing the cycle, the third cosmos eventually decided to come to an end and the fourth cosmos was born. In the fourth, patents started to form into different roles in the cosmos. Things started to get more complicated.
Every rebirth, the solidations basically learning something from the past and wants to try and use this cycle to learn something new. So this started to make different narrative roles. So this starts to be all in this stuff like, I don't know, I don't have all of them here, but there's stuff like there's usually one that's like the most, the most powerful, the starter of stories, the ender of stories, there's stuff like in later comics, there's people who were like, each world, the world leader, basically they'll be starting to do different roles that'll happen. So this is where cosmic entities start to be formed.
Okay, interesting. I can't read the exact title. I could try and maybe get it up there. There's like one, there's like original titles that happen in here.
This there's there's sort of like galactic war at this point between the entities. But it basically it learned that there could be different roles that you could fit into the universe. And the fifth cosmos, that one collapsed and growing into new one, the fifth cosmos, they discovered magic. So the fifth cosmo was all about magic.
So sorcery was born, wonder and complexity started to appear. So this is when things started to first things were what is possible, what could possible happen is that we're magic, start to happen. The power of imagination. Yeah, basically.
And this is also where the first source supreme started to exist, like what we have a doc strange in the regular universe. I'm fucking surgeon from New York. So eventually that'll come to an end again. And the sixth cosmos, science, rain supreme.
This is where the ability to protect was far beyond anything we'd seen before it. So this is where we had complex ideas with complex explanations. So last we just had magic, which had complex ideas, but with no, it just happens, I use magic to make it happen most of the time. We're now we're talking about complex structures and development and reasoning for everything.
So we're building on these ideas, we're making them more complicated, we're making them more unique, getting into the details. Exactly. But again, this universe must always come to an end. A new one was born seventh cosmos, we get to the seventh cosmos and on the seventh day he rested, and on the seventh cosmos he rested.
Well, on the seventh cosmos, something interesting happened. Between the six and the seven cosmos, something happened that hadn't happened before, something new, something unexpected, out of the prime needle void between universes, the nothingness that is nothing at all, a new being was formed. No. And I will give you a quote.
He wants to read this one. You seem to do it. Yeah, he's good. He's good.
He's not cooked. He has a little cold. He has a little cold. He's so cooked, but he's ready to do it.
I have sent it to the chat. What do you want me to do? So this is a prime needle God entity that has just been born into the darkness between universes. He has sent it to the look to the chat, but it hasn't appeared.
We'll need a moment. I do. I think the internet is just having a good thing. Well, while we're taking this, do you have any questions so far?
Why is there so many? I think each time it is learning, basically, and to build a complicated narrative is using each universe to build onto it. I think the thing about the other universes, they were very simple stories that were being told of them. And every universe since we have something more complicated has happened.
That's why we're getting an evolution every time it learns something. So while you're sending that again, the other one, it's like, so third cosmos, we got the multiverse fourth, we got like stories fifth, we got magic sixth, we got science seventh, we got no created in nothing. We haven't got to. Oh, what?
Well, we're between the six and the seventh round. So during the reformation, like during like the collapse or is this during during the sixth, it is after the sixth has died. The fourth is seventh has re- during the cooking process while it's in the oven. Yeah, cool.
So I know how much time does it exist between the two. I didn't like to name his name as spelt, Kennel. Oh, yeah, it's okay. It's K and Am I like a strange audience being?
Yeah, I can do that. Child, I am no Lord of the Abyss, God of the Simiotes, the darkness inside of you, that darkness bows to me. I am the void. Yeah, so what's it called the Abyss now formed his own existence enjoying the well, non-existence and he just fucking chilled.
He's gonna only enjoy that for a fucking minute. Yeah. So after a non-existence amount of time and this timeless void, he's enjoying himself suddenly like getting like a vampire getting awoken by some bright sunlight opening up, the universe spawned into existence around him. I mean, it's that, you know, the meme of the dude that's like lying on his bed like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's that.
It's the brock tearing up out of the bed. It's the flesh bank. It's the fucking, the color, the color from beyond where it is with Will the foe looking up at the sky. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, you can light house in it. You gotta light house. Ah, fuck. Anyway, I was from color from beyond what color from space whatever it was.
Yeah, I'm wrong. No, I just want to light house. It probably goes to light house. And then like bright sunlight filling vampires, I even wrote that down.
Look at that quote. The seventh universe was born. Awoken, null was not happy. Yeah, but presented with this new create with this new creation.
So by the way, so in this happenings, the only creatures that usually that come between you, there are a few different cases of this like death sometimes comes between universes, some of the most powerful creatures, some of the powerful people are born and why they come together. Like, for example, Galactus was just a guy in the sixth universe. He was a really good tech. He was from a planet that was really tech because I was a tech universe, right?
And he found the last years and then I can't remember why I think because his planet was doomed to explode or something like that. And eventually they just took, they kind of told him, hey, the universe is ending, man. I can't remember what the exact story was, but they basically took him and got, they brought him to the next universe and made him Galactus. Galactus who is, for the primal entity that eats worlds, basically.
Nice. Yeah, so that's, he's usually a fantastic four villain. But he was just a guy in the last universe and now he's a comic entity. Kind of demigod vibes.
They're just like, you're cool. Yeah, so yeah, but this less years, you're my friend now. We're having stuff. The less you're living around, the first universe, right?
Yeah, still around. And they basically pop him from each universe. They're one of the few powerful creatures that just keep going. Yeah, there's a couple others like the Beyonders who were creating one of the, they were creating like the second or third universe and they started to fuck this and left the universe.
So they started to fuck this. And then they, they, they exist outside the multiverse. That's, I don't know what they have, they don't worry about them. They live in the beyond place.
Again, it's one of those things where like we touch on some things and you know, it's a beautiful like timeline or something. That makes sense. And then sometimes you're like, okay, hundreds of writers have had a go at this and they're all cooking. This is the latest version.
This was like a redone. I can't remember how many years ago, but not like not that long ago that redid this whole thing into like seven universes, right? So this is the, this is the compact version. This is the redone.
This is the clean up. Yeah. So many cleanup in your characters who still exist in the universe that doesn't fit into this cleanup version. Like, I think they were like that character kind of existed then.
Oh, no, 100% League of Legends has a bunch of characters that are like pre re-right and they just never got updated. So they're stories like a sentence that doesn't make sense. So they technically don't exist really. It just happens sometimes with these big, big universes.
Marvel probably has it worse. Yeah, it's a little better sometimes. Anyway, so they're all woke up and the celestial's kind of woke up too. They got to this new universe and they're like, the fuck are you?
You shouldn't exist. We just got here. We had a clean slate, you know? We had a fucking clean slate.
Who the fuck are you? So like, uh, you know, it's like like when you have a really big reager of a party, everyone passes out sometime around 4am, everyone wakes up at 10 o'clock, tongue over his fuck. And there's some random guy that you invited him when you were drunk and had no idea of it. He's like, what do you mean, Steve?
You invited me in last night? You said I could say, yeah, who the fuck are you? fuck are you? I think I had that moment at your warehouse that you two had with someone in the kitchen.
Well, I was lying on the couch. I'm like, I don't recognize you from last night's body. Oh, that was Alex. Yeah.
And then he woke up and went, I need to go now. I need to go. Oh, God. Have you seen?
Have you seen that? Oh, there's a real out there. They're like, they'll wake up after a drunken and like, Oh, no, we invented the wheel last night. No, like FBI calling them to be like, you got to stop this.
You got to stop this. No, no, it's too late. Oh, it's calling. No, don't answer.
Don't answer. Oh, God. It's so good. Anyway, um, so yeah, no, a woke and such like what the fuck should we do?
So they're like, Hmm, yes, you shall be we are knighting you as the king in black. And you shall look after the void between universes. Yo. And and and now was like, fuck off.
I was like, dude, just was like chilling. And then they got woken up and they basically said, he is a job. Nice. And he's like, no, what the fuck?
I don't he's basically job at making sure that the void does not interfere with the universe, right? The void of and he's like, I like the void. That's my shit, right? I don't like this universe thing.
And so he was busy basically given the job to to maintain the abyss outside the universe, maintain the abyss. And I imagine you have to sweeping it in a black void and then endlessly try. He's like, you know, when you try to end sleep, it's like that, you know, you've seen that robot that tries to pull up the oil. Yes.
Yes. Yes. Like that. You know, I'm miserable.
Um, so now fucking did like this. So he said, fuck you. And so he made a, he pulled his own shadow and for and quickly put it into a sword and then chopped one of the celestial head. Oh, the fuck did he get the sword?
He basically, he found it. No, that he's lived. He's shadow became a sword. So he controls living shadows.
He's a teacher question. Yes. He said he chopped the celestial head off. Yes.
Is this the head that they're using? God, he's a galaxy. Now that's a debate. Yo, ending on the writer.
It is cool to imagine it is because it is nowhere. No, we're sick, but it probably isn't for reasons. So a second celestial head, the head job job. Apparently.
Yeah. Like that's just fucking suck, man. We don't we don't know if any other celestial got their head chopped off. Yeah.
That's the thing. And if you read that, if you read the wiki page says, oh, this becomes nowhere, right? But also, it makes no sense. We can't know because of reasons.
He brings a celestial head into his void and it becomes his celestial forge that is like his protective thing. So we'll get into that. But it want to make it makes no sense. But also there are comics that say yes.
And if you look at the wiki page, it says yes. Interesting. So I think it shouldn't be. But I get why that's such a sick way to be like, oh, yeah, that's that.
Yeah. But no. Yeah, there's ways you can cook with it. Like, you know, multiverse like I'm going back to the D&D realms thing where there's like layers, there's like the void head goes one.
But that's me. That's my thing. If you want to interpret it, and if they ever acknowledge the MCU, they'll probably do that. But also if you're coming there, you might be coming from another universe.
But also, I don't know how you would bring that into the MCU. What's he going to do be like, yeah, I know where was the guy I killed. That's not a line. I mean, the guardians have their base on no where still.
That's true. He shows up to them, he goes, huh, you took my old fucking forge. That's that. Okay, that cooks.
Yeah, I'm with them. I'm taking my forward back some shit like that. So basically he created the sword out of his own shadow and cut a celestial fucking head off, which is nice. Which is also what also the sleschros haven't like had anything that could even close to fight them since the what they call the ass they've come up that often so the sleschros.
Aspirants. Yeah, the other thing, the other part is the sleschros. So this is me. This is this is what the fuck we've been around before, even death was around, you know.
So fuck you. So then he's like, they're like, oh, whoa, curse you. And they basically banished him back to the void. Nice.
They're like, we just tried to give you a job. But no, it's like, okay. And he took the head of that celestial man. I'm taking this with me.
And he took the head into the void. And he started to create a the most he's one of the probably the most powerful weapons to be created at this point in the world with what? So he used the power of celestial's the currently the the power of the power, one of the powers, the greatest powers and his sisters right now and combined it with the living shadows. He's our greatest power.
And he started to forge. So I will give a quote to God. Yay. Oh, I closed Facebook.
Good job. I imagine not just having messenger open. Yeah, probably should. But I don't.
I'm an idiot. No, he's just silly. Oh, dark boy. I was unrefined in those early days.
And as such, the creation of the proto symbiote was unclean. To this day, the weak of my creations carry the scars of their protege, protege. What the fuck is that? Progenitors?
That's the one progenitors birth inside them. They still fear the fire of the forge and the discordant incessant noise of a celestial hammer beating their will into something wieldy into something beautiful. My weapon forged. I set out to banish the bright and all that came with it in my time.
My living blade would become known as the all black, the nickerel sword, the God Slayer. Damn. Hey, so the motherfuckers were out creating the universe. This guy was asleep.
They went, Oh, hello, pick them up. And he's just like, actually God powers. Yeah, nice. Yeah.
I mean, it is one of those things where they were kind of formed from the ideas of the creation of the universe. He was from the creation of the void, which is between all of the universes. So there's he's probably as if not all powerful than that. They were created by the first, uh, Fairman, which was the, the application of the first universe.
Yeah. As ultimate beings. And he was created from the primarily void, the absent of the universe. So they're, they're two counterparts.
He is the, he's that power, right? Newton's law, baby. You create a bunch of causes, sculpt, be an anti-goth. I don't know, man.
Oh, that's like the force, how it has an equal. Perfect. Yeah. So is this pre, are we still pre seventh cosmos or we know in the seventh cosmos?
So we're not in the seventh cosmos. I'm keeping the timeline consistent. We've got cosmos to track. Do we stay in the seventh cosmos for this episode?
Yes. Okay. Cool. That's what I needed.
MCU Marvel comics happens in the seventh cosmos. Kinda. All right. So there's, there is the eighth.
Yeah. But for the most part, we're doing something. Every new comic now was in the eighth. It depends.
That's fine. Oh, it depends though, because I can't remember exactly. I believe secret was ends the universe and that's the eighth. But I can't remember that counts as a for new universe.
Marvel TV. Shall I even watch? No, that's in secret invasion. Oh, wrong secret.
Sorry. That's secret invasion. Yeah. How could you be so confused?
Yeah, I know, man. I'm not off to fire. It was a great show, man. That's so good.
Oh, fuck off. That was horrible. Um, so secret, secret was is basically a thing where the entire multiverse was getting exploded and to use a technical term. I mean, literally, yeah.
Like there was, so how do I say this? It's the beyonders, which are that the people who live beyond the universe who were born in one of the first ones. Yes. It's that a bomb in every, every universe called the molecule man.
And he would eventually explode. And when he does, he would explode the entire universe. And when he explodes, one year, he'll have a chain reaction and explode all of them. These also happen in certain seats, right?
So a universe will collide. Because when one explodes, he basically moves the universe and it collides with another universe and they both get exploited. And this keeps happening. And then eventually, Dr.
Doom grabbed the power of the block beyonders and grabbed everything he could and condensed into one called one universe, not much of you know, it's called battle world. And that's kind of a save what obviously what could be saved. Oh, yeah, I know about that world. And then eventually, that was a readers and the other fantastic four and his children basically helped him recreate the multiverse.
Okay, without molecule man, no, with multiple men. Why he's still there? One of them is multiple men's bomb. I know why he's still there?
Because they say to get a do only of this, that to use multiple men's power to say this because he is part beyonder. Okay, gotcha. I believe he's the counterpart to the beyonder, which is not the same as the beyonders. He's beyonder.
Marvel Cook too hard. Continue seven cosmas with the guy making the sword. Yeah. Sorry.
And someone has made the God's sword. That explanation because it's not perfect. Perfect. Anyone has made the old black sword, the gods layer is the Microsoft the Gore uses.
Yes. Cool. Yes, it is. In that movie for love and thunder.
Did you watch that one? Yeah. I don't know if I remember it. The big black sword, the Christian Bale used.
Yes, absolutely. So it is. Oh, okay. Good.
Good. We're good with it. Yeah. So this this, this, I'll get there really pretty soon.
This will start his lifelong mission over the next billions of years to end all creation basically, God's life and creation itself. Nice. This would also, but it's first of many different symbiote. So it created this Necros sword.
He would, he basically is fighting one of the, one of the more powerful gods in originally, it was just a dark God and a golden God and they fought and fell and then Gore picked up the Necros sword for the dark God and killed both and killed both of them. Right. But now one couldn't be killed that easily. But also, it's interesting because now doesn't usually get not unconscious.
That's interesting. There's that kind of retcon to be now. Okay. Yeah.
He kind of got a sword now when he got fell asleep in a battle, enough to come to the coast. Okay. Then you hate it when you get not done consciousness steal all your goods. Yeah.
I'm not also hilarious because they have these like epic origin, like God's story, mythos type things of like creation of the universe and then just slipped in there is what's obviously like a scene that needed to be a comic scene where it's just like, yeah, you got to console and console and it's like, what? Oh, hold on. That is a comic scene. But it's not null when originally was named.
Right. Gotcha. So originally, just another God. So it was re I think I believe it was retcon to be not still has to be a God of death or something to have an evil monster sword.
Anyway, anyway, so in this time, and I'll create a planet of living darkness, basically where he lived. This would be known. It's it's unaware that he created or he was created for him by the celestials because there is some hesitation in which one it was. I think you could say it was created by the celestials originally and then he kind of took it because for interesting reasons, it's called a clinta, which is also sometimes given to with a K.
Yeah. Yeah. People really struggled to find the clinta. Fuck's sake.
Where would I find the clinta? In the void or the real material? I believe it's in the void. Okay, cool.
So there's a planet in the void now. Yeah, it's made a shadow though. So it's made a little bit technical. Yeah, yeah.
It's always a technical. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
But this is not not quite as it seems. I'm going to give you a quote, dude. Uh huh. This gets a little hint towards my next episode when we're going to talk about venom in any rock, but here's a little.
You want to go on, boy? Same guy. Same guy. Same guy.
He likes to talk. You are a simple and trusting host Edward Brock. I see you I my child and oars you so, but you have been lied to for so very long. What you think of as their whole world, their planet is nothing more than the largest horde of symbiotes of the galaxy trying desperately to keep their greatest secret and infinity of them churning and roiling endlessly around the one thing that binds them all the higher of mind they cannot do without.
Do you see the shape of it now? Do you understand? There is no planet of symbiotes clintyre as their word for cage. That is where I am right now host where I have been sleeping for eons.
I am there in present. So yeah, that's not what we try to do a voice list. That's just how I am. Yeah.
That's the voice right now. I would have been really scary when he does the ending with that. Yeah. I would appreciate if you actually did do it.
I'm drinking. No, I'm drinking. I'm drinking. I'm drinking.
You went to a voice and I thought you should do it. Oh, I see. I love it when we explain the jokes on the podcast. Yeah.
I'm really good. Tell me about it. Anyway, this is often used this clintyre world is often used as the planet, but also the race of them also use their language. So it's like multiple used, but again, the clintyre just means cage in the in the in the in language of the symbiotes, which we think is called clintyre anyway.
So it's basically it's their word for cage, right? So it is unknown whether they're really cool, but it's basically it's what's keeping the it's keeping null in there. So that is unknown whether it is actually a he's like he's on creation or not. It's something that he's kind of taken over, but I still don't think he can leave.
There is times where he does like it's a bit confusing. Anyway, it's a cage. But anyway, over the next billions of years, he was slowly growing his army, experimenting with creations and living showers, controlling. Living shadows?
Yeah, the living shadows. D&D camping rifs. No one will get that dude. That's right.
Join our patreon and you can join our D&D camping. No, you can. No, you can. No, you can.
No, you can. No, we could cook something. No, no, well, they can join the campaign. You do one shot.
No, no, no, no. I give them access to my DM filters. Oh, we don't even I will ask this guy to the page over there. I was setting up your internet yesterday and I typed in docs so I could put some notes in and I it automatically opened to the session notes.
I've never closed a tab faster. I saw session notes. I went close. That's very close.
But if I've got those, let me tell you those are a zest and skilled in our DM deal. Yeah, many of his great were tossed away, scattered into the void on his planet, but he would use many to raid his war against creation. So all were connected to him all connected through his hive mind. So they're all part of him.
This makes it easy to control him. But also he has the ability to see through their eyes and stuff like that. So we'll get to power in a second. But basically testing with a bunch of different things, he wiped out countless planets, people and whole pantheons of gods, wiping out star systems right into the blackness where he enjoyed the few he spared.
He would recruit his armies, forcing him to fight for him. Yes, sorry, I'm laughing. I just popped into my head, uh, uh, null being the Trump meme of, uh, Oh, down those lights off. Oh, get those lights off.
Get those lights off. Turn them off. Turn them off. No, no, no creation.
I won't have anything living any darkness. Only darkness abounds join my hive mind. Jesus Christ. Okay, so just like that, we lose all of our American patients.
Yeah, yeah, we've got the pride flag. We need a beautiful voice. What do you mean? Oh, Trump with a gaze.
My favorite. I'm gonna kiss every man in the room. I'm not gonna like it, but I'll do it. Oh, these beautiful men.
We gotta stop. We gotta keep going. Where are I geez, oh, you've a okay. Um, so yeah, that is the story, the basic story.
Now, are we going to like, he was often a, he was originally, I believe originally a Thor villain, but he fought Thor for a while, which like I was really back with, always younger. Um, I mean, like usually they do it as a later comic, but they bring back to like young Thor and he fights now. Um, what the fuck power level in Marvel never makes sense to me. This is a demigod of a civilization, a god of a civilization, fighting a creation myth being.
Yeah, it is. It does make, it usually fights some of the people he sends, like his minions. He doesn't usually fight now himself. Okay, that makes more sense.
Also, yes, there are multiple times when, um, Odin and Thor seem to be particularly powerful among gods in the whole universe. That's fair. The Odin Force is a, the Odin Force, sorry, sorry, the Odin Force? Yeah, so the other one is the power that Odin has that can be passed by the people in particular moments, but the Odin Force is a unique power that seems to be on the level of like universal scale because it usually usually counters, um, the cosmic power of Galactus, which he is a universal scale guy.
And there are many different kinds of gods. It just seems like the, the, the, because they're owned, but only the king of the gods, all of his, like gods are sharing in that power is just owned. But then it's also a Thor Force. I'm going to kill whatever writer, whoever's writing X force, X force, fucking speed force, Thor force, you need a sex force.
I love that part of them. There's, there's also the, um, I think the ultimate form of Thor is called like a Runking Thor. Nice. That's not bad.
That's fine. That's fine. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. So yeah, usually he adopts the Odin Force and then calls it the Thor Force or two. Yeah. I can, when you're, when you're an F.R.
baby, but you don't want to admit it. Yeah. No, it's not Odin Force. It's the fourth or yeah.
Especially because his name isn't Thor. Who, who, why are you fucking talking about? He's his name's Odin Sun, Thor, Odin Sun. So last name.
Yeah, but often he doesn't, because Thor is the power of Thor. So anyone who picks up the hammer is Thor. Okay. This is a whole fucking bag of a bag of a world.