Kustomer: CX AI Needs Outcomes, Not Tokens

 AI is everywhere in customer experience, but CX leaders are under pressure to prove it is moving the needle. In this CX Today interview, Rob Wilkinson speaks with Brad Birnbaum, CEO and Co-Founder of Kustomer, about the shift from measuring AI by deflection rates and activity to measuring it by outcomes that matter to the business.Birnbaum explains why the right metrics depend on the company, from revenue uplift in retail to upsell and expansion in B2B SaaS, and why traditional CX measures like CSAT and handle time still matter but cannot be the full story. The conversation also digs into AI governance, observability, and trust, including how teams can evaluate non-deterministic models and reduce risk as automation expands.Finally, Birnbaum shares practical guidance for rolling out CX AI without chaos, including why consolidating fragmented tools and starting small beats trying to boil the ocean. He also outlines where human-in-the-loop remains essential and why the goal should be turning humans from creators into reviewers.