EPISODE · Mar 18, 2026 · 57 MIN
Leadership Expert: Why Great Leaders Think in Pictures, Not Words with Todd Cherches | 125
from The Grateful Podcast with Jack Wagoner · host Jack Wagoner
Send us Fan MailIf a picture is worth a thousand words, why do most leaders still rely on words alone to get their most important ideas across?Todd Cherches is a TEDx speaker, three-time award-winning professor at NYU and Columbia, a member of Marshall Goldsmith's elite MG100 coaches, and the creator of the patented VisuaLeadership methodology. He spent a decade in Hollywood working at Disney, CBS, and Columbia Pictures before a series of layoffs, terrible bosses, and one life-changing trip to China completely redirected his career.In this conversation, Todd breaks down why most leaders fail to communicate their vision, how a trip to China where nobody spoke English forced him to discover visual thinking, and the four categories of visual leadership that can make anyone a more effective communicator, thinker, and leader.► WAGONER20 for 20% off Magic Mind Mental Performance shots and 48% off subscriptions ⬇https://www.magicmind.com/WAGONER20⏱️ Chapters:00:00 — If a Picture Is Worth 1,000 Words, Why Do Leaders Still Use Words?00:42 — Shout Out to Chris Schembra01:10 — The Gaps Between the Bullet Points on Your Resume01:54 — Todd's Career Roller Coaster: Queens to Hollywood04:20 — Moving to LA With No Plan (And Becoming a Bouncer)05:23 — The Rock-Throwing Analogy for Career Direction06:15 — The China Trip That Changed Everything09:06 — How Do You Get People to See What You're Saying?10:37 — Bad Bosses in Hollywood and What They Taught Him12:15 — The Road Not Taken: Leaving Television Forever13:45 — The Trainer Didn't Show Up. Todd Had to Teach 12 CEOs.15:33 — Why the Worst Moments Become the Best Turning Points16:43 — Walking to the Museum of Natural History After Getting Laid Off17:00 — The Childhood Dream of Superman19:23 — [SPONSOR] Magic Mind20:22 — When You See the Light Bulb Go Off in Someone's Mind22:29 — The 4 Categories of Visual Leadership25:39 — Can We Control the Pictures in Our Head?30:27 — What Great Leaders Say Differently Than Everyone Else31:17 — Vision Without Trust Is Just a Pipe Dream33:09 — The Bricklayer Analogy: Purpose Changes Performance35:34 — 1,500 Books in 28 Years: How Todd Learns37:55 — Where Do You Find Time to Read, Teach, Coach, and Lead?40:24 — Why Todd Doesn't Chase Instagram46:13 — AI Writing Posts to AI Reading Posts: What's the Point?46:27 — The 4 G's: Genuine, Generous, Gracious, Grateful48:09 — The Paradox of Generosity: Why Givers Receive50:44 — The Pattern Behind the Most Successful People52:19 — Marshall Goldsmith, Dan Pink, and Paying It Forward56:22 — Final Thought: "The Real Voyage of Discovery" 🔗 Connect with Todd Cherches:► Website: https://www.toddcherches.com► LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddcherches/► TEDx Talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/todd_cherches_the_power_of_visual_thinking► Book: https://amzn.to/visualeadership⸻🎙️ About Jack:I'm Jack Wagoner, 19-year-old Behavioral Neuroscience & Philosophy student at Northeastern University London, TEDx speaker, and host of The Grateful Podcast: a top 2.5% global podcast with 120+ episodes and guests including David Meltzer and Dan Millman. My philosophy: you can set massive goals while being deeply fulfilled right now. That's the duality of gratitude and ambition.Support the show☕ Magic Mind — My daily performance shot:→ https://magicmind.com/wagoner20Use code WAGONER20 for 20% off a package or 48% off a subscription.🧠 More from Jack:► Website: https://jackwagoner.co► Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jack_wagoner_/► 1:1 Coaching: [email protected]📺 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Jack_Wagoner⸻🎙️ About Jack:I moved to France alone at 16, started my first business at 17, and launched this podcast because I kept meeting people who had the answers to questions I didn't even know I was asking. My philosophy: you can set massive goals while being deeply fulfilled right now. That's the duality of gratitude and ambition.Subscribe and turn on notifications so you never miss an episode.Stay grateful, stay hungry.
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Send us Fan Mail If a picture is worth a thousand words, why do most leaders still rely on words alone to get their most important ideas across? Todd Cherches is a TEDx speaker, three-time award-winning professor at NYU and Columbia, a member of Marshall Goldsmith's elite MG100 coaches, and the creator of the patented VisuaLeadership methodology. He spent a decade in Hollywood working at Disney, CBS, and Columbia Pictures before a series of layoffs, terrible bosses, and one life-changing tri...
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