Lenny Kravitz

Huh, all right. Look, I know what I said. But this topic popped up and I know for effect that we won't be able to talk about it when our first episode of that because again, it's gonna be all catch up. Yes.

A little bit of relish. A little bit of relish. Oh, actually, maybe a little bit of relish. We're talking about two trips here.

You want to relish? No, no, no, no. Yeah, about Lenny Kravitz. So I want to get away.

Yeah, I love that song. I was scrolling Twitter. Actually, I was looking for, well, I want to give it a sec. No, no, y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all got to read it for a future for the show.

And I have an Istanbul cross a comment from somebody on Twitter talking about them being happy that there were Black Media members holding Lenny Kravitz to test and I'm like, well, Lenny Kravitz do. So let me say I'm here for. I mean, so I saw a caption's name, but none of the things that I saw actually expressed what the story fully was. So again, I was like, all right, many credits did something.

Oh, well, in my head at the time, I'm like, ain't like we could talk about that shit no time soon. So I'm not gonna go research this. Then I went and watched the weekly episode of the Higher Learning Podcast with Van Leighton and Rachel Lindsey, and it was one of the topics. Let's get into it.

Lenny Kravitz opens up about being shunned by major music publications. Lenny Kravitz is a rock guy. He won the Grammy Award for Best of Metal Rock, vocal performance for years in a row. He's played with music.

I'm reading the article. I'm just trying to clarify. I'm just trying to understand. How does it go?

Is that what that actually said? I'm just there. I'm reading the article. I'm reading the article.

He's played with music titles such as Nick Jagger, Earl Smith, Les Eve Wonder, Michael Jackson, and Jay Z. So 40 Million Records. Still took rock credits years to catch on to his greatness. There was quote, there was this one article that at the time said, if Lenny Kravitz were white, he would be the next Xavier Rock and Roll.

End quote. The musician recalled in Esquire's latest cover story. Speaking about the early days of his ascent, quote, I got a lot of negativity throwing at me. All these older white men who weren't going to let me have that position.

Unquote. So when Ron Stonnegg is in founder, Jane Winner, y'all, I feel like we've talked about him so much since then. I made my headlight this past September. But telling the New York Times that women and artists have called it were not as articulate as the white rockers and chose to feature in this book.

The masters in discussing the importance of rock and roll, Kravitz was very disappointed, though perhaps not shocked. Quote, the statement alone, even if you just heard about the man yesterday was appalling and embarrassing. End quote. But it doesn't stop with Winner.

And Kravitz is perhaps more confused by his reception at Black Entertainment Outlets. Quote, to this day, I have not been invited to a BET thing or a source awards thing. He told Esquire. And it's like, here's a Black artist who has reintroduced many Black art forms who has broken down barriers just like those that came before me broke down.

That is positive. And they don't have anything to say about it. End quote. Kravitz still can't make sense of the reception he's received over his careers.

Quote, I have been that dream and example of what a Black artist can do. But I'm not here for the accolades. I'm here for the experience. End quote.

So when he, when this came out, there were, I'm not sure. I don't have backlash. That's a bit. This was an Esquire interview.

After the backlash, Lenny Winton talks to the Greo. Lenny Kravitz says to write your straight on comments about Black Media. Rocker Lenny Kravitz wants to make clear he doesn't have a beef with Black Media. In a statement released exclusively to the Greo.

The four-time Grammy winner clarified recent comments he made an interview with Esquire magazine in which he wondered why his success wasn't celebrated by Black Entertainment Publications, or why he'd never been invited to the BET or source awards. Quote, again, it's just repeating the quote. Now, repeat it. It goes repeating.

Quote, and it's like, here is a Black artist who has reintroduced many Black art forms who has broken down barriers just like those that came before me broke down. That is positive, and they don't have anything to say about it. End quote. The comments box the pushback, including the column by the Greos Michael Harriet.

Quote, the comment on the quote, well, this is Lenny Kravitz. Quote, I mean, I may it was not about quote Black Media or the Black community. I was specifically referring to Black award shows in particular. My comment was meant to express the concern about and sharing that Black artists are being recognized for their work in what is now being called quote, non-traditional Black music, which isn't it?

Excuse me, Black award shows is part of Black Media. Wait, wait, that's a very important point that I'm going to belabor. This is the full statement. Quote, it's important to me to talk about your straight on recent media reports based on an interview I did.

My Black musical heritage means a lot to me, and I owe my success to my supporters who have taken this journey with me over the span of my career. The comment I made was not about Black Media or Black community. I was specifically referring to Black award shows in particular. My comment was meant to express a concern about ensuring that Black artists are being recognized for their work in what is now being called non-traditional Black music, which it is not.

Rock and roll is the music we were instrumental in creating and is a part of our history. We must retain our heritage and celebrate that together. These and countless others have paved the way for this type of recognition. I hope that by sharing my concern, a spotlight will be shown on this issue, love and peace.

And I have my answer about whether he's on a roll out. Crowd it says 12th studio album, Blue Electric Light, will be released March of 2024. Yeah, yeah. Linne.

No, those of you that are old enough, or maybe you watched the reruns of Good Times. There was a character named Linne, who always was trying to sell some sort of stolen merchandise in his coat. This is Linne. Kind of talk to my man, Mr.

Krampus. So speaking of somebody who's been a fan of rock music before it was cool for my generation to accept it, speaking of someone that stood on his porch with a boom box, hip hop flavored boom box with the lights that blunt Christmas lights that blink every time the bass hit, that would be on the porch playing Run DMC, along with Megadeth. And in Azzy Osbourne, that was ostracized by many of our friends but liking that type of music. Thanks.

When I first saw Linne Krampus, he looked like a rock star and that was part of the problem. He looked like a poser. At this point in his career, he hadn't had all the accolades except for his parentage. Right.

So he hadn't the track record. All he had was I forget what the single was at the time. I saw him. I looked at the stuff he was wearing.

And he looked like a rock star. And that was 100% the problem I had with him. Other than the fact that I really didn't dig most of his music with the exception of the most popular single I'm sure he had, which is getaway. All right, wait, hold on.

So before you go in. I mentioned that when I stumbled across the story, I was not doing any research and the reason I decided to do any of the research because of the higher learning card case. Well, then after you guys had information, then basically was saying, number one, he doesn't like it. The main reason he doesn't like it, not the main reason, but one of the big reasons he doesn't like it is because he used the phrase, when those that feel othered do things to further other themselves.

Yeah, that's a red flag statement. So for those that don't understand, Lenny Kravitz made this original complaint to a quote unquote, traditionally white publication. When the backlash happened, he went to a black publication to quote out, yeah, that already looks bad. No matter what, even if it was a, even if it was a situation that would legitimately say, oh, you just messed up.

I knew what you meant when you first said it. This looks bad. This looks terrible. Yeah, Rachel's retort to that was, well, probably they lied to him, like his father says or whatever, lied to him.

And she based that on her own personal experience. But the difference, what she didn't, what I feel like she left it, if I understand what she says, what I feel like she misses the mark on is she told the story about when she was the best. When she was the best. She told the publicists or the bachelorette that she wanted to speak on black platforms.

And the publicists basically came back to her and said, now they don't want to talk to you. The difference here is the bachelorette is the plus delta in that situation, the bachelorette's publicists. You are not the plus delta in that scenario. Lenny Kratz is the plus delta in his situation.

And that's his publicist. Your publicist is lied to you. Other people's publicist lied to you. That's completely different.

That's not the same thing. That's completely different. And then, oh, and Rachel belabored the point of when Lenny gave his explanation, I'll call him. That see he didn't say black media, he said, what shows?

Let me be very clear and intentional with what I'm about to say. He named two award shows. We're not going to, I'm not going to be obtuse and semantically hold him to those two specific ones because more exists. Yes.

However, one doesn't exist without a publication body. Attached to it. Right. So the BET Awards is tied directly and doesn't exist without the media company.

The BET. Exactly. And so Stephen Hill, who used to be big at BET. He posted to his Instagram a picture of him and Lenny Kravitz with the caption, hashtag flashback Friday.

Lenny Kravitz and your boy on the set of 106 in part on what I believe was his first, but I know it's not his last visit to the show. One of my favorite musicians slash performers of all times. Loved stretching the mold and programming his music on Wild AM and the early 90s as well. Looking forward to his new music, but have a great day everybody.

A fan been asked but wasn't invited to the BET Awards. Stephen responded, I respect that question because you don't know me. Understandable. And you want to know knows and that's my answer.

Mary Friday. Now Rachel took this to me. Oh, he didn't say yes. So you were very clear about saying that he was invited to want to sit some part, but you wouldn't answer the question if he was like.

Oh, she's. I have a question. Oh, she's. I have a question.

Is it not clear? And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong. Is it not at least to be inferred by that caption that his goal is not to throw Lenny Kravitz under the bus, but to clear his name?

Yeah, that's why he was purposely big at that last part. Yeah, because he didn't want to throw him under the bus. OK, he didn't want to say what he knew would be the key thing. They would ignore everything else.

Everything else. And they'd have focused on that last part. And he'd been more vivid in his response. Thanks.

I think come on. To me, it's fairly obvious. I just, look, here's the reality. He's been on that network numerous times.

As far as on any award shows, you kind of undermine your point when you say you're not there for the accolades, you're there for the experience. When the first thing you kind of mentioned was BET Awards, not BET News, not BET Anything Else, Media Involved That Just Exposes the Art to People Who Might Be Interested and Don't Know It Exists. No, you said awards, sir. And you should take those Grammys and feel good about them.

Absolutely. Because you aren't those Grammys. You aren't those Grammys. One of the things that I, when I was growing up, one of the things that was obvious is that there was a small, minute percentage of our community that fucked with rock.

That wasn't always the case. Years and years back in the past, you know, when Black folks was doing that, they mess with rock. My generation was growing up, did not mess with rock. They didn't.

You had club, GoGo, R&B, you had rapper, and he came along and these little amalgam other types of stuff that came in the middle of that. But not rock. That was not the predominant. In the city I grew up in, they had a clear rock station, 98 Rock, and they had V-103, which was the R&B, you might get some hip-hop every now and then station.

Right. You look at the demographic breakdowns of those two stations. There is an ethnic demographic attachment to each one of those. A lot of white folks, listen to 98 Rock.

So percentage of Black folks may have listened every now and then. Lots of Black folks listen to V-103. Small minute amount of white folks might listen to it every now and then. The type of music you're doing at that period of time was not the favorite, not amongst the favorite genres of the Black community.

That doesn't mean the stuff people was doing was bad. Because even though I didn't like most of the stuff you did, it wasn't for me, you know, people that obviously did. But when it comes to this sort of thing, it was very rare that there was a song that overlapped that could be played on V-103 and 98 Rock. Michael Jackson was one of the rare that could be played on 8-8 Rock and V-103.

That's not true, sir. Living color was one of the rare groups that could be played on 98 Rock and V-103 or V-104, which is more than amount. Right. That wasn't true.

So because that wasn't true, when people go to program stuff and market stuff and figure out what their audience wants so they can get the most out of the audience share, they're going to have content on there that it's been demonstrated their audience wants to see in here. When all do respect, you were not for the most part with that audience I wanted to hear. Right. That still didn't stop them from letting you on that network.

Right. It tells you more music. 106 in Park, several times. So two other things that you mentioned, at the end, the promo.

Me and SBJ talked about it a little before, but I didn't really get into the issues I have with what he did with this. Because we're in a really weird place right now where too many people think that by saying hurtful or hate-filled rhetoric, it gets them the attention in space to talk about good things. Or it gets them the attention to then promote. We've seen this done several times by several different artists of all elks, all genres of music, even outside of music.

The thing that they fail to realize is that that incendiary bullshit that you speak, it undermines the so-called good things in the minds of a lot of people. And it contributes to an overall poisoning of the discourse that's been happening in this culture. This culture is on the decline because of shit like this, because of weaponizing the worst parts of human nature or monetary gain and doing it in your rhetoric and in your narrative. Because this is what humans base opinions on narratives.

They base behavior off of narratives the days accepted. How do you do those type of things? Well, the quickest way to frame a narrative is through words. So the quickest way to frame a narrative, right?

What it looks like to me when you promoted your shit there at the end was that, hey, now it gets a potential in these spaces because people upset it when I said, so let me put it out there that I'm about to drop something. Now let's say that wasn't sure at all in the beginning. Right, it's the results that matter. And what it looks like, that matters.

You need to chill, bro. You got your Grammys. People like you've been around long enough where my initial opinion of you don't matter. Because you've been around long enough to attain an audience.

Like that one guy said, like, he's going to do the greatest look there ever lived. I will never think that. That's just me. That's me.

And my opinion may have held some small weight back when you first came out. Because that someone made that statement. When you first came out, nobody would have been like, come on, who was he? This guy just got here.

We can talk about it. But one thing about time, people put time in, it does color the way people see. But if I were, oh, he would say it for a long time. So it must be the greatest.

None of the back of the ladies. None of the back of the ladies. And there's a little bit of credit to it. Because it's the back of the ladies.

You two survived and be relatively consistent. That's what kind of they do. Now I can't pretend to know the struggles of one's many credits and music industry. The things he had to deal with, the conversations that are absolutely violating conversations that he must have heard about him from execs, from other musicians in that space.

Because he was an odd man in that space, an odd duck. In that genre, you are an odd duck. In a time when you entered that ship. But, bruh, stop trying to point the finger overhead us.

Bruh, cut that shit out, bro. Because with all of the things that take place in this country, when it comes to media, the leeceer, the leece respected, the leece valued, form of media is black media. It's not a mistake. What we talked about earlier, it's not a mistake.

That it was so many complaints being made by people in black media about how some of these artists, be they actors, musicians, whatever. When they first come on the scene, they can't get no attention from none of them, other big media outlets. When they come running, sniffing, sniffing black media hyney for an interview or for a puff piece or for something to expose their shit only for them to get propped up. Because they're talented, they get propped up.

And then that propping up process of sticking, like moving them higher so more people can see them, allowed for the larger media segments to see them go, hey, that guy there's pretty good. That girl there's pretty good. Let's go and interview them. Then you finally get those interviews.

You finally get seen by an audience that wouldn't have known that they existed and it had not been for black media, probably up, but you couldn't get nobody else paying attention to your monkey ass. And you're famous. And then you're revered and you're celebrated. And then you ain't got no rap for black media no more.

You walk down these fucking red carpet shits to go to a movie premiere and you walk past the black media to go talk to everybody else. You think, what the fuckers don't see that? Some of the same people that probably gave you your first fucking interview, are standing on that goddamn line, trying to get money because your interview is money. Something they can push, they can sell, it becomes a product.

All they want is a few words from your ass. And the latter y'all walk right past them and go to the other media outlets. So when you say shit like this, those raw feelings, they don't come to play. And if you use that to promote your shit, then respectfully, I hope you get a thousand please.

Thanks. Cause I'm tired of, one thing I am tired of is motherfuckers trying to agitate us to get clicks. And it's too fucking much though. I don't know if outside of a literal sense, I've ever seen a better representation of the idea of throwing a rock behind your head.

That raw. Bro. Yo, cause like within a week, you said the original thing, again, at white media. Right.

And then you came to black media to say the, the back track a little bit. Yeah. The white watch just a little bit. Hold on, this shit ain't.

It wasn't right there y'all. And it's like, what's going on? Oh, I have an album coming out in a couple of months. And I'm sorry.

I would like to give you the benefit of the Delta debt. This is completely coincidental. I will cut it. I want to make clear I don't necessarily think this is maliciously intentional.

Maybe not. But I saw that. So I saw what I saw. I heard what I heard.

Yeah. So we were talking, we were talking about this. And two questions popped up tonight. One, with many crevices, multiple Grammy wins.

And I don't know, but I would imagine more nominations. Has he spoken out about black music? Not being represented properly at the Grammys. Honestly, I haven't seen it.

I don't know. And I've been a cursory. Did a cursory search? I did not find it.

See, don't you think that we would have, it'd have been easier to find. We would have heard it. Something would have crossed our ear. But also the second question that crossed my mind about this particular thing is, OK, you're saying you hadn't been invited to any black music awards.

What is your play like as far as the Billboard charts? Because one's that cater specifically to the African American experience, which was my one earlier, adult R&B Airplay. Number one hits zero, top 10 hits zero, songs one. Next one, hot R&B and hip hop songs.

Number one hits zero, top 10 hits one, right? Songs four, R&B hip hop, Airplay. Number one hits zero, top 10 hits zero, songs one. Adult R&B Airplay.

Number one hits zero, top 10 hits zero, songs one. What could I say earlier about that? The music that the lane that you're in is not favored in our community. So a lot of media outlets, they're trying to get, there's always been an algorithm before the internet.

It's always been an algorithm. It was just more manual than exactly. And they're going to cater to their audience, that they cater to. They don't fit that.

They're naming being shouted at the rooftops by that audience. Yeah. I've never had somebody say, you know, you get that few lemme grab it. That's funny.

I hate you for using that. But that's funny. So the main reason that the second question came up is because of, let's get to some Twitter reaction to this whole thing. First one, someone says, black media caters to black audiences.

When he craves the Nat, make music for black audiences. And that sounded like a word. There was no incentive black media outlets to cover artists that audience didn't care about. Somebody quote to me, then they say, and then craves the rock and roll artists, black people create rock and roll black people.

Listen to rock and roll black people. Listen to me craves. You're missing the point. Not only are they missing the point, but not only are you missing the point, because with the shows that you're my app, can you review?

Yeah. How many black people listen to? Then it craves the point. Right.

That's the point. Uh, somebody else. And a linear craves said black media never supported me. Black media said because your white publicist is the matter's excess to you.

I saw that. I saw that one. I saw that one. Uh, I mean, and here's another person I missed at the point.

For those, for the black folks saying that linear craves doesn't make music for us. Number one, sister Rosetta Thorpe, a black woman created rock and rolled number two, linear, suddenly influenced by Jimi Hendrix. And that's true. Just because you don't listen to rock doesn't mean we don't.

Yeah, you missed the point. You missed the point. Also, go talk, please. Give me a favor.

Cersei. Oh shit. Oh shit. I have them give you Jimi Hendrix playlist.

Right. This is our property name. Sorry. It's a similar thing.

Yeah. Not quite today. Explainable money. I'm pretty sure it's this fucking.

It's further back. Yeah. I hear it. It's further back.

And some of his music has been in movies and shows. I guarantee you they're not going to be able to rattle off those types of scale is going to be different. Yeah. It's going to be the same type of situation.

Yeah. This is interesting. True. Again, this is Twitter.

I'm not about to fetch another shit. Facts. This is interesting. If true.

Linear Cravets complaining about black award shows and then dropping it forward. That's only going to Croatia, Germany, and Belgium. It's pissing me the fuck off. So if true, his people, this makes his scheduling, did the exact same thing that the Black media did.

They look at who's interested in your shit. That's where we're sending you. You know why? Because that's going to put butts in the seats.

Because they want to hear you. That's going to make money. And we get the market this shit because you get to stand there on stage with 30,000 people in the audience doing this shit. Right.

And we can get that great picture. Everybody wants from behind you. The crowd. Are you?

With the guitar. Yeah. Absolutely. Linear Cravets should probably ask his white manager, white agent, and white publicist how many people.

Oh, my God. How many black events he's been invited to and was never informed. Black talent acts so clueless. Give me a fucking break.

That's the one. And Linear Cravets shit is what happens when you don't operate in black spaces. Linear Cravets is respected, but he runs in different circles. If you wanted to show up, I'm sure we would welcome him.

Because that's what we do. But you can't run from Blackness then act confused. Yo, stop. That part.

Yo, some of y'all really bother me with that. Let me tell you something. I am unapologetically Black, unapologetically African. I'm going to go fuck with nobody else has to feel about it or think about it.

I would just love to see some of y'all keep that. Listen, you can't, some of y'all be running from the darkness, baby. Y'all be running from the darkness and then as soon as shit don't go your way, you want to then point at the darkness and go, the darkness never breaks me. You can't break me from it.

Right. Yo. Somebody said I didn't want to say anything because I know y'all think EQ or whatever. But pretend I'm unequal.

This is the perfect. But pretend I'm linear. This hasn't always made white girl gap jeans commercial music. I'm going to be coming back to this nostalgia rewriting.

XR, bro. Listen. And of course, whenever somebody, whenever somebody makes waves, they're going to be bad faith actors. They're going to be people who always want to, you know, that thing when they have something they want to talk about but they want to form.

Yes, I know. Someone said, yeah, that's boring or whatever. But remember when the black superstar, how long is how long is he in the? Exactly.

So whenever we have something where a superstar is saying something about the black community, a black superstar saying something about the black community as far as in the realm of being other or othering themselves or feeling like the black community other than whatever. I always do a Google search for their name and on black issues. Yes. Right.

Yes. Always. Yes. One article that came up is the article from last year by his daughter who basically said, oh, no matter fact, I had what you're talking about.

He's glad she was uncomfortable with her blackness growing up. How to happen? I listen, I'm just I'm just reading what the headlines know. How to happen though?

Because oh shit, that's funny. It's the next week. Zoey Krabitz once said she didn't know a lot about her black heritage. This was squarely on Lisa Bonet and many grandies, ladies surround himself with white handers.

This is not the fault of black people. I'm glad the black media is pushing back on his last. Leave us alone. Oh, and here's the original tweet that I saw that's whole.

This is the original tweet that I saw that started this whole rabbit over that went on. I love how black media is letting any graphics and his white PR have it because we don't put black celebrities with white handles on Blais enough. Oh, it's a threat. OK, they continue.

There are a lot of black celebrities who don't show love to the few good black publications that exist. And their white publicists definitely get key to half the time. They don't even know any black publications at all. The industry is so gate kept and segregated from press trips.

So who gets access in the media? Now that GQ and Vogue are pretending to care about black artists. It's over. But I got to add, let me grab this covered essence and uptown the time of two.

That's what I can think of top. So I don't know what this is about clicks, rage-baiting, adding that it's not just white publicists either, sometimes black publicists and creators get it in their heads that they don't want to be pigeonholed and that appearing in a black publication. And just when it's usually actually the other way of rap. No, you see, like we said earlier, when nobody knows what a fuck you are, it's black media that pushes you up high enough where you can be seen by these other muckfucks.

But you know, again, let me know. Let me tell you something. One thing that ain't happening in my house, Lenny. My daughter's not uncomfortable with her blackness and neither is my son.

Right. Two more. I'm no professional, but I also feel like if he really wanted to go, he could have. Like he can just show up.

It's Lenny Kravitz. They're not gonna turn him away. Thanks. Thanks.

And the last one is another thread. Lenny Kravitz had on a white team that ignores black media. And him being quote, clueless is the conversation I want to have. And then we can walk on over to the black celebrities with white teams that usher them past black outlets on red carpets.

While the celebrities nervously smile at us while allowing citizens to make a beeline towards white media. The other part is none of the celebrities have no idea that this goes on because they just show up and let their teams lead without any inquisitional concern. Rightfully. So that's not their jump, but many of them do.

All I ask is that black talent pay attention to your press rounds and interview schedules. When you don't see us ask, when you don't see us on red carpets ask, when you don't see us on your radio and TV runs ask, if you prioritize us, they have no choice. For years, black media has been pushed to the back of red carpets and listed at the bottom of press runs. Huge shout out to all the black and many non-black publicists who fight for us.

It is a thing. It's been a thing. And we can rewrite the narrative with awareness. That's all I got.

No promo here. I've been working in black media half my life. I don't want to just see change. I'm gonna you feel it and be a part of it.

Yeah. So this ironically, this is exactly why y'all was mad at Brie Lawson. I was mad at Brie. When you look, not the sensation of lies, that motherfucker took twisted altered to try to make it say you didn't say you know what she actually was talking about because complaining about the fact that, you know, can some of these people of color media outlets get an interview while we're always going to these other ones right here that focus on white nails, white demographic when there's other black Latino, you name it Asian, you name it out.

We can go there and get them some interview. Right. And a lot of y'all talk shit. I'm Brie.

Yeah. Saying that. But trying to look out, but saying, let's get them some clicks too. First.

Let's get them some. Why is it always here? Yeah. Yeah.

It's funny to me how motherfuckers will adopt certain positions that are directly the opposition they once held and was mad at them on the moment by having without the middle part of the discovery of hey, I was wrong. Right. Yo, that's the part that kills me. It's not that you thought this way this time.

And now you think this way this time is the fact we don't see no in between where you made the realers that I was wrong as fuck. Thanks. We don't see that. Thank you.

All due respect, man. Seriously. Go get one of them littles or something to be on this next album or something. Get one of them littles and youngs.

You can try get some attention. I hate you so much. I hate you so much. I hate you so much.

I hate your guts. You're going to get you a verse or some shit on that shit. What I'm saying is play the game. Yeah.

Play the game because your publicist is clearly a lot of it. And I'm not going to give you that. I don't know what's going on. I'm not giving you that.

You're too big of an artist. No, hold up. Hold up. Listen, he's too big.

I know I feel like something is true. And this is why he specifically mentioned the source awards. There ain't been a source awards in God knows how long that might be true. But this is his ignorance.

Yes, you know, not the publicist. I'm the most specifically litty. I think that he might just not fucking get it. He know he know when he go to a white publication, he knows a bunch of white folks.

No, that's bad. No, he knows the difference. Yeah. 100% priority.

I think he doesn't prioritize it. And because when I add this to what Zodz said, yeah, you don't prioritize us, sir. Yeah, you don't prioritize. Because he did.

If he did, he'd have said something like, yo, well, no, I really got a heart of you. I didn't know how to because again, you're literally fucking you're one of the people. You're like, there are a lot of celebrities, right? You're like the few people in the history of the world.

Yes. With a justified fucking as your middle name. Yes. You are many fucking credits.

You could go. There's I think he did. He did a version of the honor watch power that Jenny Hendricks did. He did a version of that.

I thought that was I thought that was tight too. That was very well done. Word. But, nigga, you're Lenny F in crabby's.

Come on, bro. You're Seth freaking wrong. You could have absolutely gone. You know, you, you, you're black.

You really got a job. He could have got one of his purposes. He could, could have, call him. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Remember, we have information now. He could have talked to his friend and super fan Stephen Hill. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the public is.

That's true. He could have talked directly to the person who was in charge of making these decisions, but he, but he, but he uh, phrased him big though. So maybe he made, I'm going to do that. Yo, get my man on the phone.

Hey, dads. I'm going to do anything. Bruh, man. Yo, I tell you what, we'll value you when you value us.

Bruh. Yeah. Well, if you listen, you're still Lenny fucking Kravitz. Absolutely.

One, listen, if you want to come on a black culture gigs, we'll get you 20 minutes. You upset 20 minutes. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Listen to me clearly. Listen to me clearly. Listen to me clearly. Very clearly.

If we get any guest who is eligible for fucking to be there in the whole show, they go ahead and show my guy. We might go four hours. Like, I'm just saying, bro, honestly, honestly, seriously, to me, we'll value you when you value us. Yeah.

Like I said, it's, I get the need people have to defend their favorites. Oh, yeah. That's actually, I absolutely get that and I empathize with that. The thing about it though is if you hold your defenses of him up to 30 seconds of scrutiny, right, they fall apart because they don't really work.

Like, could his publishers have had lots of him? Absolutely. 1,000 percent is possible. However, you asked them, like, this, how fucking long have you been in the game?

That's nice. So in this past 30 years at no point did you think, huh, I want to go on these publications. I want to go on these award shows. My publishers told me they're not checking for me.

Why is that? Or hey, why didn't this statement come out 20 years ago, 15 years ago? Right. It's, can you even fix that?

I can think of God if I was apart. It really is, bro. I said superstar. You're a megastar.

You are a megastar and you are capable of getting to any of these fucking entertainment places that you want to. 1,000 percent. Especially if it's not about the accolades, it's about the experience. And you would have made a way to figure out to get that experience.

Yeah. Very simple. Very simple. And a couple of appearances probably would have led to some type of performance, some type of recognitions, which would have made more people where they wasn't checking at first, but then they actually heard something, something in it that they liked.

Right. And then they went, how much of the rest of the show? Yeah, absolutely. See, we talk about the 30 plus year career of that.

That little boy point that I brought up? Yeah. That's your way on, you ain't talking about it. No, no, no.

No, no. No, no. I think more black. You had one top 10 hit on any of those charts.

Right. Come on. Right. What are you expecting?

Like, I got somebody that was asking if this wasn't completely 100 percent good faith. Right. I understand the argument until you get back to the country we live in and the business that he's in. Yeah.

those two things, I can't give you any benefit about because the country that we're in and the industry is based off of results, how much money you make, how much money you can make them and all that shit, how many people are you doing? It's on your stats, you didn't belong on any of those. And if you cared about that, maybe you would have directed your publicist and PR folks to push for that. 30 years, bro.

Right. 30 years. I'm not really having like, I can't accept it. I can't accept it.

And then the way you went about it was wrong. Yeah. And then you put a lot of education and then going directly to the black publication when you got the backlash. And then you put a new project at the end.

Sorry, bro. And then somebody reminded us of Zoey. No, you have to value you. So listen, a lot of times, most of the time, you ain't got to tell us you value us.

It's like we're seeing what you've done. But I was saying the damn thing. First album came out in 89. Yeah, you've been in this game way too long.

That's when I first saw it. I was like, no, you're too much of a rock star. Like you look like a poser. He like a poser.

It didn't come off as authentic to me. Right. But like I said, you've been in the game for 30 years now. You don't want to mad grandmies.

Obviously, there's people that see what you do, like what you do and win for it. And it's an audience that's not us, but you value it. They put money in your fucking pocket. They made you who you are right now.

We'll try to flip back the time stone to go back 30 years. Well, how come black folks say really? The time to think about that was back then. And then you curate your behavior to get that result.

Not 30 years later, when nothing you've done has actually resonated with our community in any way. And your publicist, whoever is responsible for getting you these interviews and shit like that hasn't moved in that direction. Right. Like, come on, bro.

Like, what do you want? What do you want from us? I think that's the main question. What the fuck do you want from us?

Is you gonna shoot down or you're not? Right. If you're not, that's cool. We just need to know.

We don't want or need. Is for the coming back after 30 goddamn years. Pointing to think that I was not covering you, bro. Especially when BET had you on their shit numerous times.

But why the fuck they gonna have you on the BET awards when you ain't ranking on no motherfucking black music charts? Right. Is that who slack you trying to take? There's other people that are clearly curating their music for this community.

They shouldn't get a slide because they want to slide you in and you know you a bigger name. You know your bigger name. Because this is a little secret that maybe allowed you outside of our demographic don't realize you ain't on on until the white demographic fuck with you. Yo, that's funny because there was another.

There was a TikTok that went viral this week that I think that's the sentiment she was trying to express but she's fucking up completely. Back last day she got the beat. She got the beat. She lost a sponsorship with Macy's and some shit.

She she she fucked it up. She probably shouldn't engage in that at all because I'm going to say it the right way. Don't say it. Don't say it.

Never. Let me just read some of these people's that been given special awards by the B.C. Awards. And the point that I'm trying to make is not that.

What I like this? B.C. Awards is generally celebrated hip-hop mind you the B.C. Awards didn't come out until 2001.

That's let's clear that up first by 2001. What was the musical landscape? It's what should be being asked when you're talking about something like this. No, but too much.

to talk about first. Right. So they have pretty much always been heavy on rap, on B, and they lean a little bit into gospel. Right.

Because by the 2001, these were the Black genres. Yep. Like it or not, that's what the case was. So there are people on here, on this list, I'm about to mention that aren't even singers.

But there are or singers or rappers, right? But there are people here who do who are musical artists who did music that was outside of rap, R&B and gospel. So for list, like the achievement award winners, Winnie Houston, Earth-Wendify James Brown, Aisley Brothers, Gladys Knight, Chatecon, Diana Ross, Elle Green, OJ's, Prince, Harry Lebel, Maison, Frankie Beverly, Charlie Wilson, Vonda Ritchie, Sophie Robinson, Samuel Jackson, New Edition, and Mia Baker, Mary G. Blas, Queenie Tifa, that one dude, they just had to step down from his company because he couldn't keep his hands to herself.

And bust around. He managed to be award winners. And how about Lee? I met Johnson, Danny Glover, there's a Washington, Harry Belafonte, Don Chilo, Chrissy Jones, Alicia Keys, Blacklef, John Legend, Steve Harvey, Elle Sharp, and Duane Way, Merli Evers Williams, Tom Joiner, Jesse Williams, Chance the Redbird, Naomi Webbler.