Life and War in Ukraine: A Conversation with Nataliya Bugayova

There are few who understand this war better than Nataliya Bugayova. She lived and worked in Ukraine for years. Her present focus – as a non-resident fellow and the former Russia team lead at The Institute for the Study of War, is on the analysis of the Kremlin's operations and on what's happening in Ukraine today. She also serves as Director of Strategic Intelligence at a company called Vertical Knowledge.  Bugayova was part of a visiting delegation with The Cipher Brief that was led by General David Petraeus last fall. We sat down shortly afterward, to get her perspective on how this war is 'really' going and how she sees it ending.