Liminal writing: On medals, degrees, or diplomas. And scars.

Elbert Hubbard once wrote, "God will not look you over for medals, degrees, or diplomas. But for scars." With this line as the spark.Ces and Lee write about the weight of medals, degrees, diplomas, and the striving and achievements brought about by their absence. The conversation takes us to their university days, their early work milieu, having to carry on despite self-doubt, and finally finding one's light.