Limitless Marketing Experiences with Lisa Cole episode artwork

EPISODE · Apr 10, 2026 · 1H

Limitless Marketing Experiences with Lisa Cole

from Experience by Design · host Lisa Cole, Gary David

I don’t know about you, but I find the cereal aisle to be a pretty wondrous place.  We’re all probably pretty used to it, but just imagine the cereal aisle from the perspective of a person who has never seen it before. It’s a lot. I mean, how do you pick a cereal when you don’t know what each of them has to offer.  Of course, this is where marketing comes in.  Marketing is that thing that tries to connect us with products, services, organizations, and every other matter of thing that is trying to get our attention. In the Attention Economy, that’s a tall ask. The Attention Economy refers to how human attention is a scarce resource and can be traded for profit. The key point here is it is a ‘scarce resource,’ and one that is only getting more scarce. As an educator, I know this very well. We only have so much attention to give, and there is more and more that is competing for it.  Marketers have a much harder job, but luckily for them they have more tools at their disposal to help. The trick is how to best use them. Today's guest on Experience by Design is Lisa Cole, Chief Marketing, Product, and AI Officer (or CMPAIO) of the company 2X. She also is the author of the just released book The Limitless CMO). She also is the author of the books “Brand Gravity” and “The Revenue Ramp.”  We talk about how growing up she was the kid that always tried to take things apart to see how they worked. That translates very well to exploring how AI can be leveraged for marketing today, digging into it and seeing how it works in order to capitalize on its abilities in the Attention Economy.  We discuss how we need to spend more time learning than just doing, finding ways to do things differently than before if we want to stand out from the noise. Lisa highlights the importance of reimagining workflows and tasks before applying AI to optimize outcomes and prevent inaccuracies. Afterall, the product produced through the use of a tool is always dependent on the skill of the person using it. Lisa’s new book shows how marketing leaders can overcome constraints through three key levers: running marketing like a business, leveraging outsource models, and adopting AI. We also discuss the relationship between sales and marketing, and how many companies continue to make it harder to buy when they finally get your attention.  Finally, Lisa shares how she used an AI-based tool to interview her on long drives to help her generate ideas for her book.  In this new era of attention competition, there is a lot to learn to make people aware of our presence, and this conversation is a great place to start no matter what you are marketing. Even cereal. Lisa Cole: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisacole01/ 2X Marketing: https://2x.marketing/ “The Limitless CMO”: https://www.amazon.com/Limitless-CMO-Transform-Order-Taking-Market-Making-ebook/dp/B0GSCXR8HM

In this episode of Experience by Design, we explore how marketing competes in today’s Attention Economy through a conversation with Lisa Cole, Chief Marketing, Product, and AI Officer at 2X and author of The Limitless CMO. Lisa shares how curiosity, smarter workflows, and intentional use of AI can help marketers stand out, align with sales, and make it easier for customers to buy—even in a world overflowing with noise and choices.

NOW PLAYING

Limitless Marketing Experiences with Lisa Cole

0:00 1:00:58

No transcript for this episode yet

We transcribe on demand. Request one and we'll notify you when it's ready — usually under 10 minutes.

MG Show MG Show The MG Show, hosted by Jeffrey Pedersen and Shannon Townsend, is a leading alternative media platform dedicated to uncovering the truth behind today’s most pressing political issues. Launched in 2019, the show has grown exponentially, offering unfiltered insights, comprehensive research, and real-time analysis. With a commitment to independent journalism and factual integrity, the MG Show empowers its audience with knowledge and encourages active participation in the political discourse. French Your Way Jessica: Native French teacher founder of French Your Way Boost your French listening skills and test your comprehension with this one of a kind series of podcasts. Get the chance to listen to a real conversation between native speakers talking at normal speed AND customise your learning experience through carefully designed sets of questions (2 levels of difficulty) available for download at www.frenchvoicespodcast.com. All interviews also come with the transcript. French teacher Jessica interviews native speakers of French from around the world who share a bit of their life and passion. Where else would you meet in one same place a French yoga teacher based in Melbourne, a soap manufacturer from Provence, or a couple cycling around the world? That Hoarder: Overcome Compulsive Hoarding That Hoarder Hoarding disorder is stigmatised and people who hoard feel vast amounts of shame. This podcast began life as an audio diary, an anonymous outlet for somebody with this weird condition. That Hoarder speaks about her experiences living with compulsive hoarding, she interviews therapists, academics, researchers, children of hoarders, professional organisers and influencers, and she shares insight and tips for others with the problem. Listened to by people who hoard as well as those who love them and those who work with them, Overcome Compulsive Hoarding with That Hoarder aims to shatter the stigma, share the truth and speak openly and honestly to improve lives. Flottengeflüster ALD Automotive Österreich | LeasePlan Beim Flottengeflüster powered by ALD Automotive | LeasePlan präsentieren Jörg Janik und Peter Gutenbrunner alle zwei Wochen spannende Informationen rund um das Thema nachhaltige Mobilität. Beide beschäftigen sich schon lange mit der Thematik und bringen umfangreiches Fachwissen mit. Sollten sie aber doch einmal nicht weiter wissen, werden unsere Expert*innen hinzugezogen, die ihnen gerne mit Rat und Tat zur Seite stehen.

Frequently Asked Questions

How long is this episode of Experience by Design?

This episode is 1 hour and 0 minutes long.

When was this Experience by Design episode published?

This episode was published on April 10, 2026.

What is this episode about?

I don’t know about you, but I find the cereal aisle to be a pretty wondrous place.  We’re all probably pretty used to it, but just imagine the cereal aisle from the perspective of a person who has never seen it before. It’s a lot. I mean, how do you...

Can I download this Experience by Design episode?

Yes, you can download this episode by clicking the download button on the episode player, or subscribe to the podcast in your preferred podcast app for automatic downloads.
URL copied to clipboard!