Listen again - James

What does it mean to “do everything right” and still come up short? We sit with James, a support worker caring for adults with learning disabilities and autism, to trace the real maths of modern poverty: long shifts, term‑time childcare gaps, energy and rent hikes, and the slow erosion of a family’s “nice time” pot. James talks candidly about budgeting in pots, living on beans so his son could eat well, and the relief he found through The Bread and Butter Thing—affordable, nutritious food close to home that stretches cash and eases stress without stigma.Across the conversation, we unpack why care work—so essential during COVID—remains underpaid, and how that collides with childcare economics that can penalise families for taking extra hours. We challenge the myth that phones and laptops are luxuries, showing how digital access underpins benefits, rota changes, school updates, and everyday life admin. We also ask the tough question: does James consider himself poor? His answer opens a bigger idea—poverty as a spectrum—capturing the difference between crisis and the constant grind of just-about-managing.Along the way, there are glimmers of hope: a new job with slightly better pay, more hours for his partner, a carefully saved-for holiday. But the takeaway is clear. Stability shouldn’t depend on heroic budgeting or skipping meals. Community support like The Bread and Butter Thing helps, yet the long-term fix requires fair pay, childcare that truly unlocks work, and policy built for how families live now.If this conversation resonates, follow and share the show, leave a review to help others find it, and send us your thoughts or stories. Subscribe for more real voices from the communities we serve and the people keeping them going.