LIVE: America's boiling frog moment. What's next? With Jayne Converse

What do we make of the shutdown? Is it performative for the MAGA cult? (Yes). History and civics teacher Jayne Converse joins Joe and Alex (in our first live video pod) to discuss what happens when autocrats feel like they're losing their grip on power. Hint: It's happening right in front of us. Is Trump's "Full Force" moment really the turning point for the Trump regime? And while we have to win next year- Jayne walks Joe and Alex through a scary autocratic project happening right under our noses, every day. Want to hear more from Jayne? Check out her Substack: https://substack.com/@conversediscourse101 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices