Francis Ngannu said that he'd only fight Jake Paul if I was locked in the cage with him as well. Yeah, that's crazy. What the f*** does he think is going to happen? When you become domesticated and you can't let go out, be like drinking, partying every night.
You know, I'm a father. Yeah, I'm a Debbie Dad. I'm a Debbie Dad. 40-year-old Mike.
Will I see you out at the club? I haven't been going as much lately. I don't enjoy it, but I can't say no. Why did you say motherf***er kill you?
I'm like, I said motherf***er kill you, Mike. I shouldn't have said motherf***er. That was mean, bro. But yo, so many UFO, UAP videos.
I really don't know what to believe. I'm the baby saying this. I'm going to say it. Okay, well, that should be enough f***ing around.
Let's go. Let's get this s*** over with. Neither of us want to be here. Neither do y'all.
Let's do this, okay? Let's be honest. She's always running this course, boys. It's over, okay?
Me and this nine-hole golfer over here who looks like he's about to go f***ing knitting after this, okay? Going to go to crochet class with his kids. Kid. I don't know what you guys have planned.
I don't know if you guys have a second one. We will. And probably a third and I can convince her a fourth and fifth. I think it really pisses a lot of people off that you are as athletic and strong as you are because I, alongside a lot of other people, would love to beat you up.
You just anger me. Your outfit angers me. Why? You look like a walking olive.
Yeah, I guess I kind of do. Do you understand? The pearls has buttons. I had to take little papers off of them.
This concept of black outfit came with little papers on these. Like, each one was individually wrapped in, like, paper. I don't know. What?
I look okay, right? No, it's fine. It's just like a good little schoolboy. Cleveland, it doesn't say Cleveland.
I'm not reeking much Cleveland. No. You're also not reeking much melanin. Have you seen the sun lately?
No. You look like Casper. No, I haven't. Let's just talk shit to each other for the whole episode.
I would love to do that. I'm telling you, you look tense. I'm not sure it's wrinkly. I'm wrinkly.
Logan, I'm really bad. I'm not doing good. Why? I don't know.
Yeah, but you pick. Because you hit your parlays. I don't know. You should be doing well.
They're called lineups. They're called lineups. I'm not just picks. They're not called whatever word you just said.
They're called lineups. And yes, I did have some good lineups last night. You know the Cleveland Browns game. You know the Cleveland Browns, right?
I watched them. Yeah, they're a great team. Dude, last night against the Broncos. The thing with Winston is he's always had a problem with interceptions.
He always had some matches college games. And he got it under control. But he starts to feel the pressure from the game and from the rush on the defense side. He throws picks.
But I've seen him stay enthusiastic. Even in the backfield, like the layup game is incoming. He's like freaking out. He's throwing a little tantrum stuff.
He loves Jesus. Like, Jesus is fantastic. No, no, of course. But you guys have all seen it.
He like, everything that he talks about is because God allowed. Even prayed he got to stop the pick sixes. Well. I'm not kidding.
But it's just, yeah. You look like you're from New Canaan, Connecticut. So what? You wanted to just do this podcast?
So you could just make fun of me? No, I don't want to do that. I just think we should do it because I think it would be cool to catch up. I know you did a show with Jake.
It was good. I think it was missed all the energy. Dog, we were both extremely hungover. He had just beat Mike Tyson.
I can't believe he even like agreed to do that. And, and sometimes we're a little awkward. Like Jake's pretty awkward. I'm kidding.
You guys. I hate on the internet Thursday. Did you see the comments? Did you see the comments?
Like, this is why Mike needs more of a falsehood. But I saw like commentary channels that like made reviews of it. Like, they're so awkward. They don't even like each other.
Oh, come on. No, no, no. No, but you also, you guys also, that's your shit. Both of you guys have fallen into that awkward shit.
Bro, it's my family. Like the dynamic that you see is not the family dynamic. This is my brother. My actual blood.
Like I think commentary channels are so funny to me. Honestly, kudos to them. Because if I was not able to do anything original either, but I was good at just talking about other people's lives, I would be doing the same. What do you mean?
I would do that right now. I would love to do that. Because it's so weird. But you're better than that, Michael.
And you know that. You like to go outside. I like to gamble. And kiss your pretty girlfriend.
Yes. Yes, I do like real life things. She wouldn't like me if I had a commentary channel. No, it's just like, who are these people?
Like if you show your face in a real life setting and you made a living talking shit about people and you run into them, like what happens? You know, sometimes it'll be cordial and I've got to keep it cordial. Because this is what I'm saying. I get it.
Like if you do what you got to do, bro, get your bread. I don't have to really experience it much because I try to purposely fly to the radar number one, but I also suck a lot of dicks. I'm a fence hitter. So I'm friends with all these terrible people, bro.
So I do that for us. I do that for us. Just so you know. My guy.
Just so you know. I've swashed him some shit, dude. No, but also that's his kind of person. I don't like conflict, to be honest.
I just don't. I could be swashing dicks on her. Yeah. That's my fucking guy.
That's so far away. But no, my health is troubled. And it's something I'd like to talk. I'd like to really dive into health today.
Yeah. You texted me. You said you've been to the cardiologist like 10 times. Everybody.
What's going on with your heart? I don't know. I believe that could be just related to my generalized anxiety disorder and high stress. I travel constantly.
You need a massage. Happy ending. I don't like those. They give me anxiety.
On me. I'll give you 40 bucks cash. I'll tell you what happens. For me, at least I've noticed when you become domesticated, dude, you really got to like, you really got to rethink some of the things you say.
And you can't like, oh, I'll be like drinking and partying every night. Dude, I'm a father. Debbie dad. Yeah, I'm a Debbie dad.
Dude, like if I drink whiskey, like sometimes I'll just be like in this cabin drinking this whiskey in the middle of the woods. And I'm like, shit, is this, am I a Debbie dad? No, that's cool though. Are you enjoying it?
It's fucking sick. It's sick. See, I mentioned this on the fandom show, which either came out or it comes out next week. I really just, I got off drugs, but I didn't start to fix the addiction issue.
I know that about you. Okay. Cause I, cause I'm just, I'm going to like touch on something and it's not going to be for sympathy. It never is.
Cause I do this all this stuff myself, as you know, so I need no sympathy because I can at any point just get a little discipline. You have a condition. I have a condition. I do.
I really do. And it manifests itself through any outlet. It could be food, which it is. And it's like, it's like, dude, I'll go and I'll get this cholesterol test back.
Right. And I'll be like, well, that fucking does it, dude. Like I'm not playing with my life anymore. I'm eating Buffalo chicken pit like an hour later at levels that are unacceptable.
Levels of Buffalo chicken and queso and just all of the wrong things. You keep playing and win. And I know you're being sarcastic, but it is also something that I'm also trying to layer in a little bit right now too, which is the aware life is weird. Cause you, you, you should strive for discipline because discipline will bring you far in life.
If you can find discipline in your craft, if you can find discipline from a health standpoint, from a family standpoint, we'll bring you far in life. But you also do need an overlapping layer of awareness of the human condition. We truly are like the story I'm telling right now. It sounds crazy sitting here in this room, but like 90% of the people watching this are struggling with some form of addiction.
95% whether it's food, it's sex, it's drugs, it's dopamine through social media. It's something like we, so, so lately I've been trying to forgive myself a little bit more. And for me, especially like, bro, look at, look at the trajectory of my life. Like I should never be hard on myself.
Like in my opinion, you're like in bonus land right now. Like everything from here on out is a bonus. Like you have a lot of good things going on for you. There's a world where you could just chalk it all up.
I've been thinking about that a lot. Like go back to Connecticut, get yourself a nice pizza and a recliner. Addiction can manifest itself in, in, in overabundance in so many ways in life. But I've been dealing with these like weird situations.
I've been having a ton of like chest, chest pressure and, uh, and like shortness of breath. Right. And so I've gone to, and this part's interesting because there's definitely going to be a lot of people watching this that spend a lot of time late at night on Reddit and WebMD. And I also, I'm speaking.
Oh, you're one of those? Uh, not. Yes. So is Nina.
So is my sister Abby. Of course Abby. You got to reel yourself in then. Like you can convince yourself that you have an ailment and that you're going to die tomorrow.
Okay. Okay. So there's so many different factors at play. Okay.
For any of the people watching this. Somatic symptoms are real. Basically what that means is the mind is so powerful in such a disturbing way that it actually can manifest health symptoms, physical health symptoms within you. And so like, this is not something that I'm dealing with the first time ever.
Like I ironically called my doctor in Mount Sinai here in New York. He got me plugged in with a cardiologist yesterday. One of the best in the world. I have no business being in this office.
Like he was like, Hey, and by the way, when he was like, Hey, you're a pretty entertaining guy watching yourself when they even sent you over. Oh, nice. He's like, what are you doing here? You're looking at your records.
I was, I was at Mount Sinai one year ago to the day because we're here shooting podcasts for the same issue. And every time, every place I've gone, it's always been, dude, you have an anxiety condition. You have a real diagnosable anxiety condition that you are not, not only not treating, but you're not helping by your actions, by what you're doing, like by staying up all night. I'm on a flight number 106 now for the year.
Like I'm in no place. I live out of that bag. I packed and unpacked that bag 40 times in the past week. And so I think you have to like, at some point, you got to take responsibility for yourself.
You have to really look at the actions that you're making in your life and really fucking draw the line and be like, dude, I'm not, I'm not gonna do something. I haven't been able to do that yet. Yeah. When are you gonna do it?
I don't know. It's also weird too, because like, I feel like I've been given an opportunity to live a life that saves you, that no one else gets it. Not some, but no, like such a small. And so like for me, it's always been like, bro, I'm gonna beat the brakes off this thing.
You're gonna beat the brakes off your body. Just drive it to the ground. Where is your girlfriend in all of this? Like, shouldn't she be?
She does. She brings me to church. I think she's like negatively impacted by it. Because she's a whole body.
Of course she is, Mike. She doesn't want to be your no man. But sometimes she probably has to be. She does.
But I can't stop. Like, I swear to you, I can't, bro. It's like, there's always something going on. What exactly?
Can't stop, won't stop. Medical lineups. Whatever, dude. Can't stop being lineups.
Can't stop traveling. Like, it's like, what am I coming up? I leave in two hours for Basel. Okay, so this is what I'm saying.
And I go to Saudi. I actually think this is good if you can get your addictions and your vices in line a little bit. I.e., basically, bro, what I'm saying is you have to be a little more disciplined if you want to still live the life that you want to live. If you want to still live the life.
Hard stop. And discipline, in my opinion, is actually pretty fucking easy, bro. Because it's only two things. Discipline is action and lack thereof.
It's your ability to go do something, action, or stop doing something. The lack of action. If you can just, like, put in, like, a zero and a one, some binary shit, perhaps it'll be easier for you to just stop. This is an interesting topic right now.
And it could be a whole show, which is, like, choice versus disease. Yeah. It really is. It's such an, I wish we had, like, Huberman or, like, someone on right now.
Someone that really understands, like, the physiological and mental side of it. Because it's, like, I got addicted to drugs. And there's a large swath of people out there who would say, well, just, like, don't do that. Which, in a way, makes sense.
And, in a way, is shooing a massive other part of the vent on it. Yeah, it totally is. You know what I'm saying? So, it is complicated.
But I think deep down, the idea of working on self and bettering of self will help you, whether it's choice or disease. And so, that means, like, learning about yourself, becoming aware of yourself, you know, therapy, physical health, like, working out. And I've always tried to do those things. But I definitely still am at the, I still do struggle a little bit.
Yeah, because I'm telling you. I guess this is kind of what I'm saying. On the other side of that, where, like, I am living, like, a domesticated lifestyle right now. And, like, I actually think this, I think what I'm about to say could be received wrong.
But I like that you said it with so much. Like, you could change what your best is. Nope, I'm still going to say it. Because it's how I feel.
And whatever. I've shared so much of my life. And I realized that even though I have this brand new kid, I have a daughter, like, an actual family now, which I never thought would happen in my life. Like, ever.
I thought I was going to have to knock up some random girl or girls and have just, like, kids. Yeah, like Nick Cannon. No, yeah. I got, like, a happy, awesome, like, really perfect family.
Yeah. And, like, I didn't really take into account how important it is to me that I still pursue my own personal goals and endeavors. I kind of really thought, like, once I have this family and I have this kid, I'll have this newfound purpose in life. And, like, that will be everything that I live for.
And while that's true, there's a lot I still, like, want to do and want to accomplish. And I'm okay saying that, but I realize that being at home and being that homebody and living that domesticated life, the life that's on the exact opposite side of the one you're living right now, doesn't fill me. It just doesn't. Like, I got to be out there, like, doing stuff and being active, at least to the point where I can, like, develop a really deep relationship with my daughter.
Because right now, I'm kind of, like, a support vehicle for my family. And it's, like, a position I'm not, like, really used to. I'm almost, like, at home sometimes, like, what do I do with my hands? And every time I hang out with my daughter, it feels like it's more for me, like, she's just like, get off of me.
Where's mom? No, no, no. Well, she, I feel that she, I do feel that she, like, loves me and is, like, starting to recognize me, but it fills me up when I'm with her. And I'm not really sure, like, what it does for her yet.
Can I tell you, it's going to, at one point, I know this just from being around Abby and Jalen and everybody, it's going to dramatically shift. I know. To a point that Nina is going to be crying to you. That she's, that she, it's going to turn into da-da, da-da, where's da-da, where's da-da?
Because it's a girl-father dynamic. Right now, Sloan is in it with Jack. Abby does not get a hello. Yeah.
Like, it is just da-da, da-da, da-da, da-da. So, like, you, two things. The difference between you and I is that you can survive it. You can survive the idea of being planted.
And I can't do it. I feel, I don't know, and I try to stop looking at it as such a negative. I need to be meeting, touching, exploring, seeing, all new, all the time. I can't, the speed at which I get bored of something at a nuclear ADHD level is instantaneous.
No, I know. I mean, it is so, it is so fast. It makes every aspect of my life very difficult. But that house was, like, dude, I've spent 10 days in that house.
I don't ever, I've never, for various reasons, but I just don't go there. It makes a lot of the traditional things in my life very, very difficult because I almost, in a way, see a lot of, like, Bourdain in myself. He just wanted to just live. He just wanted to be out there, exploring culture, exploring people, meeting people.
I want to eat that food. I want to see this thing. This new place just opened in Abu Dhabi and they've got this food and now it's going to be summer in Australia. And it's like, I was never supposed to do any of this, but now I just feel like I want to do all of it, all the time, everything all the time, all at once.
And it feels almost hard for me to turn it off. What a privileged conversation. No, it's such a, the reason why we're even able to have it is because people want my backstory. Otherwise we would sound like two rich white kids talking about the most trivial shit, but which maybe we are.
Yeah, but also, bro, like I grew up extremely, I would be bored of the fucking Silverstein. I hear comments like, oh, fucking wealthy, rich, spoon fed. What the fuck are you talking about, bro? My childhood was like, I worked harder than everyone.
All of you were telling your work ethic now. Yeah, it's transferred over. So in that sense, I feel okay, but we do have to acknowledge like how far we've come and how, this is a privileged conversation. This is just a vehicle for the conversation, which is continued struggle with a part of life that you want to change within yourself.
Especially seemingly, I think maybe for people watching, it's like, you know, like, bro, we did do really well for ourselves. And I'm telling you, like there's still problems over here on this side. Some people understand it similarly without it being in this exact vehicle because there's guys out there who feel like they are, they should have settled down already. Like we have a large male foc.
There's some girls watching. Shout out to those wonderful ladies out there. But a lot of guys out there who may feel like, oh, I should have family by now, but I just want to do, I just want to do stuff. I want to build with my hands.
I want to go to this place or I want to keep stacking money away so that I could buy a house or I want to spend more time with my family. Like this, the conversation is applicable outside of it being about travel and this type of stuff. You know what I'm saying? I think it's important to understand, like, dude, if you're happy, like you fucking won.
You fucking won in life. Like happiness is a journey. It should be a destination. And for me, something that has always helped my happiness is being goal-oriented.
I like chasing stuff. I like working towards something. It makes me feel full. And I think at this particular moment in time, I don't really have a thing.
I want to hit 20, 25 really, really hard and get back to that fiery version of me that I know exists. I wanted to ask you, given your condition, do you think there's ever a world where you check every box, you travel to all the places, you try all this food, and then you're like, oh, I'm good. Because it was like that with girls too. I was like, dude, how long do you want to just, there's always going to be another model, Instagram, whatever, right?
And I feel like I've calmed down so much in that respect. But I just, I don't know. I think once again, it comes down a lot to like working on yourself, understanding your purpose, maybe relationship with God. Bro, do you know who is fucking exceptional at that?
Who's that? My brother. Jake, yeah. Dude, I just spent five days with my whole family.
My mom, my dad, my brother. Like me and this guy, the family was with us. And I got to feel what it's like to have a normal family life for the first time in like 20 years since we were all together like this for five days in a row. It was crazy.
And I got to see just like how Jake Paul works, by the way, after the biggest event of his life. And he's just, he's so, he's disciplined. He's taking time to do breath work at a young age and I still have not. So it's funny that you bring him up because I feel like I'm in my Jake Paul crying on Impulsive podcast.
By the way, I'm fine. I just, I'm acknowledging some things. But the reason why I say that is because that was the turnaround point. It totally, you know what I'm saying?
Like it's like all of this conversation is just like a symbolism for people watching that these are the questions you should be asking. These are the questions you should be looking for answers to. These are the explorations you should be having within yourself becoming aware of because they are the catalyst to great change. I mean, we had him on the show actually crying like to a point where I felt horrible.
I think the whole internet felt bad for him or a lot of it at least, maybe not the commentary channels, but he was really having this whole time. You could see it. And now look where he is. And if you draw a line between those two, you know, I think, I think before you can, they say step one is admitting your problem in the 12 steps, but really step one is becoming aware of you.
I agree. I totally agree. And he did that a while ago and he's, he's got a few like things that he, he lives by and has like kind of always tried to live by that I'm seeing now the payoffs of them. One of which he would always say hard work beats talent.
And in our early 20s, I just didn't agree. I was like, dude, if you're like, if you're a singer, yo, I'm sorry, but like, if you're a good singer, like God fucking bless you. Just go sing. Shut up and go make music.
Shut up and dribble. Yeah. Like, not even basketball, you have to work really hard, but if you just sound good when you sing, like, fuck you, bro. Fuck you.
I don't know, unless you also work. There's gotta be a ton of background work that goes well. Well, that's why, because it turns out hard work does be good. You have to have both if you really want to make it.
That was my old headspace. Now I'm like, Jake's right. Another thing that he's lived by and actually John Cena told me as well, randomly, I shot him a text on something and he told me this. Comparison is the thief of joy.
Yeah, yeah, for sure. That's a big one. But I've never really understood it. I'm like, I still don't think I fully understand it, but it makes sense to me because I'm realizing something about myself.
And that's like, I do. I do compare myself to people in the sense that I'm competitive and I use it as fuel to motivate me to do better, which has always worked for me. But I'm also wondering if like, maybe it is like the thief of joy. Because while I am reaching these pinnacles, am I like happy doing it?
Like, am I doing this? Because I found that motivation inside me or did it come from an external source? Also, does it matter? Like, I don't know.
Like, what the catalyst? Yeah, I don't know. Well, take us out of it again, which I'm happy you said that I'd like to do as much as possible. But like, dude, social media is really messing a lot of people's view of the world and also of themselves.
There's a lot of people out there who are doing really, really great. They are working at a great job. Maybe they have a 401k. Maybe they've put enough money aside to buy a house so they can raise a family in it.
And in any other era of this world, it would be considered a success story. And they should be very proud of themselves. But now because of social media, they go on, they sit in that recliner and they hopefully not, our conversation doesn't do it. And, you know, maybe we have to trust to say shit, but I think we do a good enough job.
But they see people online and they're like, look at what this person is doing. Like now, everything that they've done, all the hard work that they've done to raise that family, to build that house, to get that 401k, feels diminished. Bro, Loki kind of sucks. It's really bad.
It's demotivated. It's demotivated. Yeah, so it's like, yo, I'm telling you, I'm a successful person. I even have that feeling sometimes when I hang out with Mr.
Peace. I swear, he's one example, but like I have that feeling where I'm like, what am I doing? Am I a fucking loser? Yeah, but I think the good thing is because I'm comparing myself to him.
I'm like, wait, no, I'm good. I see, I can feel it. I don't know where your issue is there is because you do this and everybody does this, is this thing like I'll call like overall comparison. So you know how like somebody will say so-and-so's a genius.
Genius used to mean you are ultra exceptional in one vertical. Oh, that person's a genius piano player. That person's a genius mathematician. Very few people are a genius in multiple verticals.
It's very freaking rare. Like you're, Elon Musk might just be a genius organizer of smart people. Who knows, right? Like everybody at that genius level.
So when you make a comparison, the reason why I don't, the reason why I don't struggle is that beat everyone else out. Like I'm not working, like working rooms, for example, from an energy standpoint, put me in a room against anyone. I don't care who they are. Don't care.
Put me in a room versus anyone. I'll know every single person walking out and every person in that room will be a guest on this podcast. So, but if I do an overall comparison to you, now I'm in trouble on the money side. Now I'm in trouble on the family side.
Now I'm in trouble. So you need to find out what your individual fucking strengths are. That is a great fucking note. That is such a good note.
And that's hard, dude, for a lot of people to figure out what they're really good at, but it's so important because like, even you're just saying right now, like, yeah, that's what I'm doing. And because I've been kind of like secluded, I'm not getting to do the stuff I'm good at. Like when I hopped in, when I hopped in the moment, I put my fucking foot in a wrestling ring. Literally, I'm like, ah, yeah.
And everybody else thought too. Motherfucker, I'm good. Dude, we were shooting that thing yesterday. This is goofy, but I put on that outfit and I was like, oh yeah, my wrestling outfit.
We were doing a shoot. I put on my WWE outfit and I had put it on in a couple months and I felt good. I felt good. Because you were in your vertical.
People just want me around because I bring other energetic people with me. I bring the right vibe to the scenario. How do you monetize that? And more so, fuck the monetization because I've already done that.
Everything I have, all of this in my life is a result of that energy. The vlogs, the hosting gigs, the show, how do you use it for impact? You know what I'm saying? And purpose, because that's really going to be the longevity.
That's the longevity play. That's kind of what I'm trying to figure it out. That's a big boy question. That's a big boy question.
Well, I'm at that point. That's called your second mountain. No, it's called turn. That's true, but I'm turning 40 in January.
Oh my God. That's real. It's happening. Oh my God.
40 year old Mike, will I see you out of the club? I haven't been going as much lately. I don't enjoy it, but I can't say no. I can't say no to that question.
The answer is probably no. But dude, I talk to Sarah about it sometimes. She's like, you don't get, you're lying when you say you get networking out of the clubs and nobody does that go out. I go, come with me tonight.
Watch Phantom. Yeah. I was with him at the club. We had created a catch.
I'm not everybody else. I agree for you. I literally work. Yeah, you're always on.
People love you. People love you. The practical Joker guy. Oh yeah.
You played poker. Was that the first time you met him? On that table. Yeah.
And Brian, he loved you. Yeah. On that table. It's the first time I ever met him.
Yeah. And we hit it off. And now they'll be on the show. You know what I'm saying?
Because of my meeting him in a delinquent scenario, such as poker. You know what I'm saying? Like just, I don't know. People got voices, bro.
What about aliens? I know you've been going, Fred Durst tweeted at you. Yeah. And I know for you, that might not mean as much.
Enough to screenshot it and send it to you. For everybody watching this that was alive and well during the Limp Bizkit era, dude, like you do not understand what that means. The only reason that I kind of do is because I saw what he did at Woodstock. Yes.
That was crazy. Limp Bizkit was the biggest thing ever. Like, like the biggest thing ever, dude. Gotta have faith, like break stuff, like just so many insane songs that define so many people's youth and Fred Durst was the leader of all that.
I, in this weird, fragile thing that we call fame, I don't know how it went from there to aliens, but evidently he's like super into fucking aliens. Dude, he's an artist. I'm an artist. He's probably a weird shit.
So am I. It fascinates me. And he probably has questions and the questions don't have really obvious answers. In fact, answers that like don't exist and make no sense and make your questions seem ridiculous.
That makes me want to know the answer even more. Like this, for example, what the hell is going on in the skies? Right. And the conversation, I'll be honest with you, the conversation, it starts to bore me a little bit.
I'll be fucking honest with you. What part of it? The UAP UFO conversation because my algorithm even on X now is feeding me so many UFO, UAP videos. And I'm like one of the people that can look at something and go, hold on, is that real?
Like, I just don't know what, I really don't know what to believe, but I will say the amount of like alleged sightings that are happening and all this like conversation of disclosure that's coming out makes me think that we'll, we'll probably see like one of the most significant changes in humanity in our lifetime. I hope that our species ever has because, because something is going on. Something is fucking going on and I'm not okay. Not knowing how the fuck these orbs are just flying around the air faster than fighters.
Wait, okay. So is that the main focus right now? Is those, no, no. What's like the thing right now?
Because keep in mind, not to be, not to be like a down player of stuff, I think the answer is what was originally, originally like a rumor and a story. And someone would tell you that this offline sauce, you'd be like, oh, they're a quack. Our own government. I was going, yeah, these are real.
And not only that, we've been hiding information from you guys for 70 years about crash retrievals, biologics. I've seen some of it. And every time I see it, the person explaining it ends up getting called into question from like a standpoint of like, they seem a little weird or something. Like, so, so the whistleblower, who's the one guy that just did a big reveal about biological collection and he like went off on it?
Llewell Elizondo was the most recent, but the guy you might be talking about who is the most credible whistleblower that's come forward is called David Grush. I've spoken with him off air. Yeah. And I've known people, I know people, I know people who I'm very close with who spend a lot of time with him.
And like, this guy's basically as solid as a human being gets, it sounds like. And so like you have people like him coming forward and whoever you've like seen and heard and talked to the people who are like on firsthand onsite at crash retrievals. The stuff is real. It is, it is technology that we, we don't know where it came from, what its energy source is, and our government is trying to do some shit with it.
And, and they know that and members of Congress are trying to get to the bottom of it because it's not okay that it's being withheld from the U.S. people. Unless of course, this is another arms race and we have technology that may keep us the number one world power and we don't want anyone to know about it. And that's a good question because we're entering this time right now where, where we've been before but because of social media it seems very loud, where a large swap of the U.S.
public believes that the curtain should be pulled on everything. That the U.S. public should have access to every redacted, classified file, top secret file that has ever existed, you know. And that's, it's a good question.
What, what comes out of that? Like what is, what is Danny and Biloxi or Timmy and Tuscaloosa going to do with the 72 page dossier on dark matter? So, and that's more important than what we could do to defend ourselves from Russia. Do you know what I'm saying?
And in that, in that way, if that is the case and this is an arms race and we are reverse engineering technology and we have figured it out and we can like fly these crafts around at speeds that apply physics. Yeah. And, and it is benefiting the United States. Like how can I go, we want disclosure.
Like, I don't know. Like what if it's keeping us in a favorable position when it comes to where we rank in terms of world power? Like that, this is also, I have a huge thing right now. Like such a huge thing.
Like did you see the guy that they tapped for, is it head of, uh, Department of Defense or head of Department of Justice? I can't remember. The Indian guy. I can't remember, but he had a picture of him with a crazy look.
And he's honestly like, and he's calling for like, you know, day one, we want JFK. We want, you know, like Watergate. We want Vietnam War. it's excellent.
But what I'm saying is, say Trump, say Trump looks at this document, right? And he goes, oh fuck. This is much bigger than I expected. like, and it's like, okay, uh, fuck this.
Fuck this. we'll worry about that later like it very well maybe a scenario with whatever the fuck this is like whatever is whatever entity or thing is challenging the fabric of our reality may be too big for us to even comprehend or try to dissect such a weird bro you have to understand like the the importance of the moment that we're in that this is such a ridiculous like comparison but do you remember when the adult space started to merge with mainstream and with social media and we were like whoa dude like it's crazy like like these people are now becoming normal humans like this is fucking nuts right now right now the government is merging with like with like social media and entertainment yeah yeah totally it's yeah it is it's crazy like like you can technically crowdsource decision making through twitter nowadays well it's like hey we got enough people here that really want to know like what's the strategic battle plan for this next battle between gaza and be like we demand that information like yeah what do you do with it hey what are you doing in mississippi with the data what are you doing yeah if someone told you right now there was a cia plot to kill kennedy it fucking was 69 or whatever it was and these guys were put there you know it was a freaking whatever it was a mafia what do you do with it yeah just you want to know why they want it because they want to talk about you want to figure your career out jones has new content for 20 years oh my god do you know what i'm saying but otherwise it's like so yes i guess the way you're saying it is correct it's like if there's if and this is by the way this isn't dramatically different from the way it's always been i think we've we've aired on the side of caution with classified files more than we probably will in the future but as long as it doesn't hurt future facing endeavors of the nation then stuff being declassified shouldn't be a problem but that line gets blurry yeah i think the i think the proponents of like full disclosure no matter what would tell you that as a person a homo sapien as a people the idea that a government is gatekeeping information could be troubling like like like their people as well who are they to have any domain over the right to certain knowledge about the same world that i'm living as you okay and like i don't know like but it is like like think about it like we're controlled by government the united states government like makes rules and we follow them and and that's that you know that's how it's always been and if they don't like something they'll create a new organization to deal with it which is why elan made doge because there are more government organizations than there are years that the united states government has been around why not create another one well i mean essentially why not create another one and name it after a small fucking dog that's just what happens to be a cryptocurrency yeah well that's that's why but that's the irony that's the irony of it all like like okay maybe maybe and i'm just i'm being optimistic maybe this is like really the turning point in humanity or at least the united states where we can trim back a little bit focus more on the people and become an efficient government by the people the idea that the government has gotten out of control spending power etc etc is 100 accurate there's no question about that the cover-ups the scandals the bigger than the law that's all true when you i my curiosity will be and this is not offensive scenario just be curious is uh how far can you push towards an anarchist style or or a old style of civilian law handling before you lose function and scalability because because that same government that is now pissing everyone off is the reason why we're luxurious enough to be pissed off by the government you understand what i totally agree we scaled because of that government in many ways humans in en masse might need to be government please please maybe these are the right people that we have in there maybe they're not maybe we need to peel it back but we certainly need someone to help it i don't disagree someone's gotta leave this shit's hard life's hard dude and we're animals by the way we are animals back to the kid have this trial now i don't know how our ancestors raised anybody in caves how the fuck the people 10,000 point 300,000 years ago homo sapiens are there out how did you raise a baby in this cold hard like it's right it's insufferable planet in certain parts of the world dude like natural disasters famine disease i just the amount of the amount of humans that must have died like throughout the history of our species it's not the actual shit it's hard do you have to go sometime look at the boat that came over the mayflower it's one of them there's also no not those right yeah look at the manifest of the mayflower they have the actual people and they represent there's a picture for this illustration yeah uh where they represent the people that came over it's like fuck like this family's father son two daughters and okay by year one 80 fucking percent of the people were dead no way there was like 80 intact families there's two fully intact every family's missing a mom a dad two kids like all the dogs like you have to see the illustration like dude typhoid fucking malaria by the way not to get into a weird place again but a lot of things that we created vaccines for that now don't affect us because there's vaccines which now are being called back into question because of how badly covid was handled pendulum pendulum it's gonna be very i'm very curious and at scale we really won't see how this all ends because we'll die like what it really leads to i think we'll see some stuff but i think the next four years are like whether you're left or right what's happening right now can only be looked at as an experiment doesn't matter who it doesn't matter if you love trump or hate trump or his team or his team this will be the greatest governmental experience experiment that's ever happened i'm so fucking down oh no me too but i also i also don't okay i have nothing i have nothing to live for so i'm gonna roll the fucking dice bro roll the dice i mean okay dude i went get that round table body i'll work with him i'll do anything dude i'm down to fucking i'm down to double down yeah let's go let's go i mean some people may not have that thought whatever bro yolo you know what i said it's the worst that can happen what's the worst that can happen two months later no no it's gonna be great bro it's gonna be something it's gonna be something no matter how you call it bro it's gonna be something dude like and i did francis and ganu said they'd only fight jake paul if i was locking the cage with him as well okay yeah it's crazy what the fuck does he think is gonna happen why did you say motherfucker i'll kill you to mike tyson oh yeah i really think i would it was you you always you always find a way you always find what it's not me so much you know bro bro everybody was so mike tyson in that night became the greatest he surpassed him for like when everybody was obsessed with him yeah because his speech was all like i just wanted to do something good for my kids like he was the sweetest man i didn't hear any of that bro and then he makes one little sneaky little thing towards you but because what did i do what did i do i'm just standing there he's like i think he was just like fooling with you i didn't know that and like i just i don't know like i really if he would do like i really think i would kill him were you drinking of course no but i heard that clip and i was like bro it's not like i find the way mike it's just me i'm an asshole i'm an asshole sometimes and and like i just thought i was an innocent bystander and then like here's a man yeah it's uncle mike i love uncle mike but like bro i'll kill you i'll kill you i don't want to do that i shouldn't have said motherfucker that was mean that's where you got that's where you got through but yo like here's the here's the like i don't give a fuck like what's good no but you want to fight me cool how do you think that's gonna end dog mike's not fighting anybody else dude please you guys gotta stop stop fighting mike tyson please i'm serious stop fucking doing it not we're not what's that is your 320 i'm that close but no continue i was just saying you know that that fight that jake did surpassed every single combat record like insane even gambling i know four times they said the next closest i'm in close i don't think i don't think any event will even eclipse the viewership and attention that jake paul mike tyson got no it's massive it was it was it was wonderful and it had to have been massive uh for um serrano as well yeah probably because because that fight was incredible like that's the thing it's messed up about it's like tyson jake paul was not the fight even no by any means not taking anything away from it you know and i was very and jake was very respectful to mike in the ring and you know it was it was it was cool but what sorry i made miss what's he doing that what's his plan now he's got he's got a plan uh i i'm i'm gonna let him do that oh i didn't know if he did it on the show he didn't talk about it all nah i mean he's just hanging out at the moment you know he fight tommy fury again tommy won't fight jake really oh why because jake's improved since yeah yeah i i am i was surprised when tommy scraped away with that one point split decision w last time i feel like that's the one i feel like that's the one like sore spot in in jake's like armor dude maybe maybe for five seconds but i i genuinely believe this he doesn't give a fuck dude like look at look at what he just did he doesn't give a fuck yeah granted if tommy's man enough one day and he wants to fight jake again which you know for the right amount of money maybe he'll do it that'd be awesome i know jake would like that opportunity but like he doesn't need it and and for tommy fury a man in a boxing family to act like him beating a youtuber in a split decision by one point is any sort of massive victory is just pathetic to me and if he were actually about it and wanted to prove that he is the real boxer he'd fight jake again why doesn't he want to see also when you just said that i i will say this you can't interchange jake as a boxer to youtuber for sake of whatever direction you're trying to go that's what i was that was that was that was he's going in okay they always say that by the way it's the same you sound the same as the last guy same with me i'm a real fighter oh yeah cool bro how'd that turn out for you guys you just said you'd be mike tyson i'll kill him i don't want to do that mike i just want to just chill out for a while i don't like mike's amazing i couldn't believe he took the jake fight also i'm i'm debating saying this but i'm gonna say whatever dude i can't believe how many people thought mike tyson would win that fight the most amount of money like ever lost on somebody i get it i didn't bet on bro mike through i'm gonna be honest mike threw some punches in that fight early on two round two round three i think it was that looked like it potentially could be powerful yeah oh oh some of them missed jake i don't think it's dramatically unreasonable to live in a world where he connects on one of those punches that it really does power if you don't know anything about fighting absolutely and you want to believe in mike tyson absolutely but almost only counts hand grenades and horseshoes and so mike tyson does a hand grenade well you always say one lucky punch yeah it didn't and like that just wasn't jake's destiny just wasn't who knows what who knows what anyone's destiny is it'll be interesting to see how this all plays out but one thing's for sure logan i really do enjoy doing this podcast i'd like to continue me too mike can i have that lunch yeah nachos nachos yeah all right i'm gonna go just i'm going to i'm going i'm going to my end for art basil but not to i'm not gonna go out past 7 p.m whoa yeah got him yo thanks so much for joining us for another episode of the normal podcast in the world please if you're watching this don't even hit the subscribe button don't hit the like button don't say something nice to yourself really i'm not even kidding like think about something that you like about yourself that you like about your life that you're grateful for right now and say that to yourself right now please that'll make me and logan very happy i'm the shit thank you guys for watching we love you hit that subscribe button we'll see you next time peace