Lord Peter Hain unpacks: Mkhwanazi, Apartheid, Trump, Ramaphosa, ANC, Jacob Zuma, Madlanga, Big 5

Lord Peter Hain joins us on SMWX for a wide-ranging conversation on apartheid, the ANC, corruption, Nelson Mandela, Donald Trump, the Madlanga Commission and the alleged infiltration of South Africa’s law-enforcement institutions. Drawing on his extraordinary political journey — from growing up in apartheid South Africa and becoming a leading anti-apartheid activist to serving in the British government and House of Lords — Hain reflects on the values that drove the liberation struggle and why he now feels personally “betrayed” by the corruption that followed. He discusses the ANC’s decline, Jacob Zuma and State Capture, while arguing that corruption in South Africa did not begin in 1994 and that apartheid itself was deeply corrupt. The conversation also explores the international machinery behind corruption, including the role of banks, corporations, lawyers, financial advisers, offshore jurisdictions and foreign governments in enabling illicit money to leave developing countries. Hain makes the case for an International Anti-Corruption Court capable of targeting corruption that crosses national borders.