Loretober Halloween Special

Come, walk down the winding path, don't mind the spooks and monsters, they stay hidden within the trees. There are mysteries in this world that you need to know, and paranormal truths that need to be told. Come, step up into the caravan, while we share tales of old, as well as new accounts about things you thought only existed in your nightmares. Inside the caravan, the Library of Lore, where it's week five of Loretober.

Tonight, I hope everyone can walk scary stories. I will start tonight by reading a story. How about that? So, take yourself in, have a nice, warm beverage, get the fire going, and be prepared to be chilled.

For this is a true story that took place in 1735. A storm was raging that night in 1735, when Mother Leeds was brought to bed in childbirth. The room was full of women folk gathered to help, more out of curiosity than good will. They had all heard rumors that Mother Leeds was involved in witchcraft and had sworn she would give birth to the devil.

Tension mounted, when at last the baby arrived. It was a relief, and to some, a disappointment. But when the baby was born completely normal. But a few moments later, before their terrified eyes, the child began to change.

The room erupted with screams. The child grew an enormous rate, becoming taller than a man, and changing into the beast, which resembles a dragon with a head like a horse, a snake-like body, and bat wings. As soon as it was full-grown, the monster began beating all the women, including his mother. With a thick, forked tail, with a harsh cry, it flew through the chimney and vanished into the storm.

The mother of Leeds, or the Jersey Devil, as it was later called, still haunts the pines of New Jersey, wreaking havoc upon farmers' crops and livestock, poisoning pools and creaks, and appearing on a New Jersey shore, just before a shipwreck. The Jersey Devil. How's that for a creepy real story? I really like it.

That was a good one. I have actually, I don't think I've heard it. I mean, I've heard of the Jersey Devil, but the actual story. I think that's for some of it.

Well, I'm glad you learned something. I do. I do. I must admit, I do not have my security blanket nearby, so...

I don't think it'll be too horrible. I will burn this one. Okay. Let's hear your good story.

The too many rock apparitions. Too many rock, a high stone outcropping near Asheville that can be seen for miles was the site of one of the oddest series of events ever recorded in North Carolina. In the first few years of the 19th century, residents around the rock reported a number of unusual sightings, including angelic hosts and an aerial battle between armies of winged horses. The story begins on July 31, 1806, when eight-year-old Elizabeth Reeves, whose family lived in Buncombe County near Chimney Rock, told her older brother that she had seen a man on top of Chimney Rock.

In the days before rock climbing was a hobby, this would have been unheard of. Her brother refused to believe her, but when she persuaded him to go look, young Morgan Reeves saw not just one, but thousands of people flying through the air around Chimney Rock. The people that Reeves' children saw were described as being closed in brilliant white, ranging in size from infant to adult. While they were generally human in shape, the children could not make out distinct features, and there was no clear differentiation in age or gender.

The children called to their mother, Patsy Reeves, who came running. All in all, six people saw the apparition. In addition to Elizabeth, Morgan, and Miss Patsy Reeves, the youngest Reeves daughter, Polly, a neighbor, Mr. Robert, and an African-American woman who is unnamed in the original report, all spent the next hour watching a strange spectacle unfold.

The crowd of beings rose to the top of Chimney Rock, and when all but a few had gathered there, three members of the crowd rose up above the others, hover there, and then led the congregation of shining beings up through the air to disappear into the heavens. The account of this strange apparition was printed a few weeks later in the Rayleigh Register, Anne Gazette, and then cited again in Edward Augustus' Kindles Travels through the northern parts of the United States in the years 1807 and 1808. Several years later, in 1811, another perhaps even more strange apparition appeared by Chimney Rock, one a pair of armies riding tiny winged horses met in a fierce battle in the air. Over the course of several evenings in the summer of that year, multiple witnesses in different locations saw two opposing bands of cavalry riding winged horses circling each other in the sky.

On the final evening, the two armies finally engaged each other and clashed in the sky over Chimney Rock. The spectacle of cavalrymen were armed with swords, and witnesses said they could hear the descend sounds of clashing metal and the groans of the wounded. The battle lasted only ten minutes, and at the end of which the defeated army retreated and the victorious army disappeared into the darkness. Newspapers across the state carried reports of the strange battle.

A public meeting was held in, Rutherfordon, and public speculation soon settled on the idea that the battle was a divine vision of highlights from the not so far a distant revolutionary war. Why exactly the laws of space and time would be bent so spectacularly, to give a handful of spectators an early version of the history channel wasn't really questioned, but people had more faith in democracy in those days. Why Chimney Rock was host to such supernatural spectacle in two centuries ago, and whether anything like it will be seen again remains a mystery. Today, however, Chimney Rock is a state park, and the certainty of the spectacle of natural beauty awaits visitors.

Happy terrified to see tiny little winged horses. Well, and people are riding around on them, having a battle in the air. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely.

That was a good story. Okay, growing up, what was one of your biggest fears, or did you have any fears surrounding Halloween? Surrounding Halloween, specifically I can't say, but I did have a fear when I was a child. I will tell you a very true story, and I've actually done research on this gen, and it terrified me as a kid.

One of the popular radio stations in Chicago, back then, was called WGN Radio, and the radio host, he was world-renowned. His name is Wally Phillips, and my mom and dad used to listen to it every morning, and this is really before morning news on TV was as big as it is now. So they turned the radio on, and we'd eat breakfast, and before school, and the radio was playing, and my dad would listen to get the weather report for the day, and what's going on in traffic. They broke in with a news story that a bipedal creature was seen in the area in which I lived, and it very much resembled a kangaroo.

But they were asking people to stay on the lookout because they believed that this creature was actually vicious. I was terrified as a kid, because even if it is a kangaroo, what's it doing here, and what's it doing running around the neighborhood terrorizing people, I was freaked out. It's seven years old, or eight years old. I really don't remember specifically the age.

But I remember back in the acrylic ranch days, I brought that up, I think, on a post, and somebody remembered that lives out here in the area, somebody remembered that event. So then I did a little bit of research, and yeah, sure enough, there was case reports. There were a lot of case reports of an upright kangaroo-looking creature that was roaming through these neighborhoods, but it was never captured, and there was really no conclusion to the story. Whether it was somebody's pet kangaroo that got out, or if this was a cryptid or dog-man type of creature that was just assumed that it was a kangaroo, have you ever seen that video of that muscular kangaroo kicking the window?

Yeah. Oh my God. Now, tell me, if you saw that, would you not be terribly upset and freaked out, and I would be horrified? That is...

Oh, I wouldn't feel safe in my house, because you can just wake up and come on in. No, yeah. And when you see the muscular thing standing there, that's clearly over six feet tall, and it's right there at your window, and a kangaroo can be all sweet-looking and all. But when it's big and muscular like this thing is, it takes on a very sinister look, and I would have been terrified.

So, yeah, that's a true story from the area here when I was growing up, that there was, whatever cryptid this thing was, was running around this area in which I was growing up in, and I was terrified. And when I take terrified, I'm not taking that word out of context. I was genuinely terrified. I was like, this thing's just going to jump out of the bushes at me when I'm throwing the garbage out or something, and it's going to eat me.

I'm a Disney kid. Okay, so I will throw that out there right now. So, there was a Halloween episode. Well, it was an episode that got played during Halloween with Donald Duck, and a three nephews.

And I'm sure a lot of people will remember this. It was the one where they escaped to Gorilla, and they would come on the radio, block your doors, and stay inside the whatever is on the loose. Do you remember that episode? No, I do not.

But you're a Disney, and I was one of the brothers, so. Oh, okay. Well, yeah, it terrified me. I mean, there was a couple.

Okay, there was that one, and then there was also, I think it was the Disney of Halloween treat that it would start off with talking about witches and black cats, and it was talking about how during Halloween, the veil was thin, and these creatures walked to the night and would, you know, you wouldn't be able to tell what was real and what was fake because of everybody being in costume. And so that is what I fear of mine that I had when I was little, because I literally thought that a door opened up from somewhere else, and that things could walk that one night. Through the veil. Wow.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Speaking of childhood, I want to know what were your costume choices? Like, how many can you remember?

I remember two, well, three specifically. One was a store-bought costume, and it was a genie costume. Oh, no. Not a girl genie, but, you know, just like from Aladdin, but this costume was kind of freaky in itself because it wasn't kind of a very friendly looking genie, but it had a light bulb on the forehead, and he had this little button that you push, and it would like the forehead up.

It was the weirdest thing. Yeah. It was, it was the name of the genie was Shazam, which is not the super hero, but yeah. I remember there was a movie that came out with, like, Tequila and Neil, and he played Shazam.

Um, okay. No, I wasn't. Tequila and Neil, but it wasn't really. No, I know.

Oh, okay. Yeah. But, you know, this was one of those cheesy, you know, masks that, you know, with the elastic band strapped around the back of your head. Oh, yeah.

But the best. See, my mom was a seamstress by choice, not labored or employed. She was, you know, stay at home, housewife, and she was a seamstress. But she made a, she made a Dracula outfit.

She made the cape, the black cape, with the red silk lining, and the pants, and then she did the makeup. And I had the gag fangs, which maybe that's why I have a bag. I mean, a horrible gag disorder. Sometimes I just even put in a spoon in my mouth.

I remember wearing those fangs, and it was the hardest thing for me to do, but, you know, mom was rather strict about making sure that the costumes stayed intact during the entire Halloween episode. But yeah, I had the widow's peak hair that came down in the front and the cross. And I will actually, I think what I'm going to do, so you'll find out in the show notes below if I was actually successful or not. I'm going to go through the photo albums to see if I can't come up with that photograph.

Yeah, that'd be awesome. And then the last amazing Halloween costume was a gorilla. She made the entire costume head to toe out of the fake, fake fur, and sewed it all together. And he climbed into this furry costume and he put the gorilla mask on.

And it was really one of the first Bigfoot sightings in the area that I grew up in. I love it. I love it. I was really the only bigfoot that wore gym shoes.

But so yeah, I got rave reviews and ended up using me in that costume to make a movie at our school called The Attack of the Food Makers. And we filmed the entire project in reverse. And it was an interesting, yeah, it was a school project that, you know, our teacher did with us and used me as the villain gorilla. Yeah, those are my, those are my two best costumes, but for all three costumes.

Those are really the ones I remember the most after that. I kind of just did, you know, my own creative costume creations from there. And some are really good, but for having costumes be made for me, those two were the best. So it's like a gorilla and the track even off.

How about you? That's cool. For myself, the ones that I really remember, I mean, I have a cat once. And then I was a witch on different occasions.

One time I had this like fabric mask that is like stuffed, like a stuffed animal. And I actually think that I still have it. I think my grandma's got it over in the attic. And so one time I had the hat or the face and another time I just had like a hat in the outfit.

So cat witch, ghost. Was your ghost a typical sheet over the head with the ice cutout? Oh, yes. Did we go a little more elaborate than that?

Because I was a toddler at that point. I think I was under, I was under eight. The one costume and it sucks because the one costume that sticks out the most was the one that I hated the most. I had a family member choose my costume that year.

And we all know my love of clowns, right? Well, yeah, I got to be a clown that year with the full outfit, the nose, the hair and the makeup. And I remember just begging not to wear the stupid thing. And I hated it.

And it just I that just really sticks out other than that, you know, everything. I didn't really get elaborate with my costumes. I wasn't really, you know, I think I found the answers to why we get along so well. Because as soon as you said that story, I'm like, oh, my God, my mom gave me a clown costume to wear for Halloween.

And I hated it. I absolutely despise wearing this clown costume and the makeup and the big nose in the air. And I wasn't a creepy clown, which would have been fun. It was just a clown.

I hated it. So maybe that's our, maybe that's our little thing. Our connection will link here and why we do this because we have to get all this angst and all this trauma out of our lives by doing this podcast because we had to. It's like a clown.

Did you ever go to Halloween party? I don't remember them. Just kidding. I have little little lapses of memory that pop in and out, you know, I remember showing up to the party believing the party.

Growing up, growing up, we had the popular neighbor lady in the neighborhood. This was Kathy's mom, who's a friend of the shows. Yeah, she would throw a Halloween party every year for all the neighborhood kids. And she went all out.

I mean, she did the spread and the decorating and the bobbing for apples and Halloween costume contest. And I think that's kind of why my mom put as much effort into these costumes that she did because the prize was more for her, not for me. But that's a whole separate podcast episode that we could talk about another day. But yeah, you know, trophies awarded to us.

And then, you know, we played ghost in the graveyard. And every once in a while, we would upset one of the neighbors in the neighborhood and you'd come and chase us and get out of my yard. I love it. But those parties were a lot of fun growing up, you know, because it was something for the neighborhood to look forward to every year.

And, you know, we would go in big groups. You know, usually there were 20, 25 of us and we'd go in big groups and go through our neighborhood. And I have to say our neighborhood was really generous as far as candy giving went. So we really didn't have to venture outside the neighborhood to fill a bag.

And, you know, a lot of people brought a pillowcase. It would be full just within our neighborhood. So. You heard the Ryan and Shannon on his.

Right. Yeah, he said something and he can correct me. Something to the effect that for all of us here, Halloween is kind of our Christmas and he's right. You know?

Oh, I sure. Absolutely it is. And we're having a hard time getting our kids involved in this little Christmas that we have in the paranormal world. My first lumber party was a Halloween party.

And it was cool because the parents had a basement and they decked out the whole basement. And so they had the table where you'd be blindfolded. Or no, they didn't blindfolded. Well, no, sometimes, you know, you have to close your eyes or blindfold your eyes.

So that way when you reach in the bowl, you have to guess what it is. Oh, you know, and so like spaghetti will feel like worms or whatever. But I think they might have had boxes that said brains or whatever and you had to reach in and you didn't, you know, and touch it. Right.

I remember that night. There was a bunch of us and I don't even remember who these friends. This is the weird part. I don't know how I knew these people.

I have no recollection of these weren't people from school. This had to have been like my dad had a friend. Are you abducted by aliens or something? Well, we were all sleeping on the floor.

And I remember that's when I, you know, we started telling scary stories and that's when I first heard about Bloody Mary. Yeah, I think I had to have been about like six. So that really scared me. I couldn't believe that.

But, you know, speaking of scary things and not allowing Halloween, I don't need to go back to that. But my kids, you know, I can't tell you how many times they've been like, well, they're playing this Charlie Charlie or they're doing Bloody Mary in the mirror or, you know, whatever. And it's just like, I laugh because I go, well, it's not good and my kids don't do it. They're very like, hey, you shouldn't participate in those things because you don't want to get haunted.

I'm just like, yeah, good job, you know. And, but it's, it's, you can't hide it from them. Doesn't matter if you're in a Halloween or not, you can't hide the stuff from them, you know, and then. Of course not.

And it's amazing too, because you can also sit there and tell, and I've said this before on the show, you can tell your kids, oh, ghosts can't hurt you or this stuff isn't real. But I think that it's doing kind of a disservice because a lot of us here know that it is real. We have experienced these things. And I think that it would be better to like with my kids, how they're telling the other kids, hey, stop or you'll get haunted, you know.

Right. Well, yes, you know, you brought up a really good point, though, because we have had our experiences that by far and away exceed the Halloween experience altogether. Now that's just turned into reality. And now you really have to deal with it.

Whereas Halloween, you can put it away whenever you want to because you know it's just, so there's, they're in life the big difference between the two. But yeah, with the personal experience, clearly that's what the caravan of war is all about is sharing people's personal experiences and our personal experiences and experiences of the world. And just like into the free radio, you know, people share their experiences much scarier than Halloween, but Halloween is just kind of the captive title. And it is our Christmas.

Let us have that. Well, it's fun. It's, you know, chisel away at it. Just let us have this.

Exactly. Well, it's so fun. It's like for the rest of the year. We, you know, we investigate.

We research. We talk. We connect. And we deal with everything on a very serious level, you know, and not to say that we believe everything, but, you know, you always want to be skeptical to a certain point so that you're a good researcher.

But for Halloween in the month of October, it takes all of it in my mind. And it makes it lighthearted. It makes it fun, you know. It makes it fun here.

But I have been overseas in Europe during the Halloween season. It's an entire different animal there. And it's in a different animal. All Hallow's Eve is not the same celebration as it is here.

From, you know, Eastern Europe perspective, all Hallow's Eve is rather dark. And there is a lot of scary attributes that brought the whole thing about. Now, it's not really what the intention of all Hallow's Eve is. You know, it's the celebration of the spirits that have moved on and what those spirits are and et cetera.

But it's kind of morphed into this very dark, scary, just like Krampus or Krampus for Christmas. That's what I was thinking about. But I see, I know that over there they've got him and that's really terrifying. But I didn't know what it was like for Halloween over there.

No, it's an entirely different animal than it is here. And from now, it's been some years. Well, it's been some years, but the trick or treating aspect is not the same way. The trick or treating aspect there is mostly homemade goods and for the family.

And it's, you know, it's a gathering and it is a gathering. And there are a lot more Halloween festivals than there is here. You know, the Halloween celebration here is generally done in house parties or at a local bar. There, it's a city festival.

You know, and it is. There's dancing in the street. It's very similar to that of Mardi Gras. Very similar to how Mardi Gras is.

So it does take on an entirely different look, an entirely different attitude. The smells in the air, the senses that you get, you know, all that energy that's being exuded in these festivals is releasing something into the atmosphere. And that was the whole purpose of it was to release, you know, the evil intention and entities, you know, and then of course you can see those spirits going wherever it is that they go. So yeah, but yeah, it's an entirely different tradition there.

But it's interesting to see it. It's interesting to see it and it's interesting to experience it. And I know in some of the African cultures, they don't, I shouldn't say some of the African cultures. What I meant by that was in Western Africa and in Haiti, it's not really celebrated so much as a holiday, but it's kind of tied into the voodoo religion.

And that's kind of a whole different meaning altogether because there goes your round, but it kind of comes to a peak at this time of year. Just like we talked about, you know, in episodes past, this is the time of year where it's the dark time. The sun isn't up as long and now it's the dark time and those celebrations come about with that whole aspect. So, you know, if I had my ability, like our kids, we ended up with the whole family.

We were, you know, in the way that we grew up, we grew up with Halloween was for getting a costume, hanging out with your friends and trick-or-treating. But, you know, eventually when the kids no longer trick-or-treat or if they'd be interested in the sooner, my ideal Halloween would be that we have the big feast, you know, and you make the altar for the ancestors and you tell stories, like family stories and that of past loved ones. And, you know, I would love to do that rather than, you know, and have friends come over and make full cakes and just, you know, still dress up because that would be fun, but pull away from the candy aspect, you know. And I've got similar ideas like that that I've wanted to do for other holidays like Christmas and everything as well.

Right, right. So, eventually though, that would be fun. I find it interesting, too, that, you know, even still to this day how Halloween has kind of morphed from the All Hallows Eve. And, of course, you have a small child, you want your child to be cute, I'm Halloween, and then dress him up as a bumblebee or a cute little, you know, puppy dog, or the bunny rabbit.

But the whole idea was you were to be dressed as the scary entity, but nobody knew who you were. That was the scary part is that you were completely hidden behind the mask of whatever scary thing it was that you were alluding to. And wasn't that to hide from what you were dressed as? Before the spirit?

Well, that's a good question, and I do not know the answer to it. So, instead of giving you an answer, I don't know. It's possible. I mean, that sounds rather logical.

It really does sound logical. I thought that I heard something about that. Because I know that, you know, in the past I've looked at like old traditions of Halloween and I remember coming across an article that was talking about the turnips. Which I've actually thought of doing.

I just haven't done one yet. Have you ever done one? No. I'm not really, okay, elaborate on what the turnips is.

That was the original, like, they didn't carve pumpkins, they carved turnips. Let me see. You can ramble on what it was. No, no, that's fine.

Let me, okay, Halloween. I've never heard of the turnips being carved outside of the pumpkin. Okay, so we'll back to Halloween's roots and carve a turnip. It says Halloween trick-or-treaters may find carved turnips awaiting them on doorstep.

English heritage is decorating at sites with turnips for the autumn celebration and has called on revealers to join in and revisiting the original story of Halloween and reembracing the original humble carved root. Long before the pumpkin became the Halloween decoration of choice, people across the Britain carved ghoulish faces into turnips and placed them near doorways to frighten away evil spirits. The practice originated from an Irish folktale about a man named Jack who, after trying to trick the devil, was cursed to roam the earth with only a burning coal held inside a hollowed-out turnip. During the 19th century, however, immigrants to America, who took the Halloween tradition with them, discovered that pumpkins, which grew there, were easier to carve.

As a result, pumpkins became the established tradition while using a turnip to depict the original jack-o-lantern, was forgotten. Okay. Wow. They look horrible.

I was just going to say, save yourself the trouble. Seriously, just save yourself the trouble. Just put a turnip on your front stoop and it should scare most people away. Just the fact that you have a turnip hanging there.

I'd be like, well, I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it.

I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it.

I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it.

I love it. I love it. This is so much easier. All you have to do is pull the seeds out.

Of course, once you pull the seeds out, you clean them and put them on a cookie sheet and you bake them in the oven with some salt and yum, yum good. Give me a bath for the pumpkin seeds because I love pumpkin seeds this time of year. I have the... I will say what I'm doing is aqueaux right now.

Eight important. She always would make the pumpkin seeds at this time of year. Let me tell you, she nailed it. She was so good at making pumpkin seeds because there would be a little bit of spicy chocolate Chilula sauce in there and some salt and seasonings and all they were so good.

It's like I'll take a bag of these with me Forget everything else about Halloween. I'll just take the pumpkin seeds. I don't want candy. No, just just give me the pumpkin seeds I'm good with that and turn them so they don't have see what goodness are you getting out of a turn up?

Nothing I also looked into the why do we dress up and so I'm in this article and it says here The traditions came to include practices to ward off spirits and honor the dead in European countries The British belief fire warded off evil spirits though churches bought extra dandels and held bonfires in graveyards The Spanish visited graveyards and concentrated graves of holy water or milk French monks took a less superstitious action on the day sending prayers to saints According Halloween according to Halloween from pagan ritual to party night the Irish However, we're really the first to start the tradition of trick or treating Halloween reached America in the mid-19th century But I'm not saying But you did answer your question about well, you did I mean it was to ward off the evil spirit Evil spirits right? See now a cute little bumblebee is not gonna do that or a little people know you have to be scary something for Halloween Stop dressing up as a superhero Go back to the original ghost goblins The antique photograph of Halloween, you know, I love those because while yes That is where Halloween really lies for me some of those old black and white photographs and some of the children that are dressed up in Some of those costumes is enough to send chills down your spine. That would scare away and evil entity. Oh Yeah, well see so I grew up my dad.

He sells those cards and I mean, there's a million different categories and one of my favorites was Halloween and That was where I found, you know where I'd see these old, you know Halloween costumes and Awesome reading cards, you know, and and it's actually Halloween postcards are one of the I mean at least I understand them to be one of the most Expensive category in all of the different ones really I guess that makes sense sure that does make sense There is a certain are hard to find yeah, right? Well, we'll be doing crampus back in our upcoming December I Caravan of lore or a floor Crampus will be doing a visit to us here Crampus because everybody has to be really good because if you're not he takes you away Kind of in a similar fashion as to what was the female Bigfoot that the young children in the basket Right, I love that seriously that has to be one of my favorite Sasquatch stories that I've heard We'll have to have him on tell it isn't if it isn't that just like the creepiest thing to it might be a favorite But it's creepy that right pick up the child and you put it in a basket that it's wearing on its back to be used as a meal for later But it's a child's fault because the child is warned that you're supposed to be in the village at like, you know Before nightfall and you have to be you know, you've got to follow these rules So if you're out there and you know the rules sounds like it's kind of your fault I became sure Yeah, it's a great way to get rid of the slow kids Well, it's me. That's my whole point. It's not my idea.

It's my whole point It's like why would you do that? You tell the kids to be in what we all learned from our mistakes So you had to screw up once in a while, but when you screwed up you had to pay with your life by becoming a meal That's horrifying. So yeah, what did they do? What did they do?

They didn't like yeah, no, that's okay Oh my god, that's hilarious Come on, Jennifer, you and I both know people that we wished you know, I wish your parents would have just let you stay out past some What's your favorite scary Halloween theme type of movie you have one? Oh, man, okay, well, okay, so Growing up the very first After Disney of course, you know, cuz I loved the Halloween treat and Ichabod the cartoon version of Ichabod I still watch that this day And then my dad introduced me to the old black and white, you know wolf man and Flock thing and so I'd love to watch those around Halloween I did too. After that I did get into one of the teenagers. I would say around 16 I really liked the Halloween series and Mike and Myers.

I never got into Freddy or Jason That's just I think a lot of it The thought of having a nightmare and dying in your dreams and literally not having control I mean, I understand that nobody has promised tomorrow not one of us and We're lucky every day that we get away cut so For me, it was just too creepy to think about going to sleep and having a nightmare and somebody trying to kill you And if they succeed you die in real life, but it's like yeah, you know, I'm not gonna go for that I thought scream was okay. I think when I was 15 or 17 one my favorite Movies at the time was children of the corn Yeah, see that involves children and that's just got it that raises the bar of creep when you're using children On the dark side. Yeah, I I'd have to say on my end was the movie Phantasm, I don't know if you've ever seen it. Well, I always say I'll have to ask my dad Because that's that was our main thing.

We watched so many movies together, but I can't remember them all I'll call them up and go dad. Do I watch this before it's like, oh, yeah, with this person and this is a story. Oh, okay. So hey, dad Have I seen that before?

Phantasm um The name itself is an interesting Definition because I didn't understand what the word phantasm actually meant I just thought it was a cool word that was used as a title and movie But it actually has a definition and it's what the movie was based around and a phantasm is When you fall asleep and you're dreaming And in your dream you fall asleep and you dream again So it's a dream within a dream that's known as a phantasm and the movie Has a character called the tall man And it's not he's not slender man, but he's not far from not being slender man And he would control your mind and was wreaking havoc and He had this he had this silver ball that he could control that would fly around kind of like the quidditch ball Only this thing had razor blades on it and it wasn't razor blade. It was kind of like knife tips on there and Stabby on the forehead with it and take your horrifying way It didn't well, you know, I was I was a young teenager I think when I saw that movie and I liked the concept of it because it was a dream within a dream But they never clarified that that's what was going on in the movie You had to understand what the movie title meant before you got to put two two together going Oh, so this was a dream within a dream I get it now and then the whole movie makes sense to you, but if you watch a movie on it's phantasm and you watch the movie Yeah, it's a good movie, but you're not really understanding what the whole concept was to begin with but that's probably up there with What was one of my favorite Halloween type movies? I haven't seen it in a small number of years, but if it's on and I happen to see it, you know, I'll watch it again Of course it was a favorite I used to be able to watch the scary movies. Oh one movie that wasn't it it was more of um It was that it was a movie that I really loved to watch around Halloween.

It's called um and then there were none I think I've heard of it, but I don't think I thought I might and it's kind of a it's a mystery You know, there's these there's 10 figurines and there's 10 guests And it's been written a couple different times the movie's been done a couple different times So on one of them they're on an island um on one of them they're um just by a beach, but you know on regular whatever no island and Um, they slowly start to disappear. So it's it's kind of the you know the butler did it with the candelabra You know, um So I loved that and uh, but see I used to be able to I remember when talking out And I went with a friend and her mom. Oh man, and I'm just rubbing down in the theater while I'm watching this and I'm just like, yeah, that's great. Who's scary, you know And um they had to leave I couldn't finish the show But Now Then I'm a lot older and since I became a mom, I can't watch horror movies anymore I just I just can't do it and there's been so much real happen that even though there are movies There's just so much like my perception of the world has really changed And so I just can't I can't fit through anymore it and that was kind of like the whole thing with it you know, it was Realistic in certain ways, you know, um And and then I get The I didn't I couldn't do the whole child actor the roles that they played it was just too much But you were fine with children in the corn.

I see Hey, man, that was when that was when I was like 16 or 17 years old, you know, and I didn't have me kids No, I completely understand what you mean. I'm not making fun of that. I mean, we did talk about that in in our vampires episode Yeah, I'm okay with just just just going into CGI If you're gonna use a kid in that demonic role CGI because I really don't like having kids acting that part out Because it sticks with them for the rest of their life and it is not really I understand it's a pain gig, but you know when you're talking adult themed of things that kids at that age shouldn't even be aware of yet It's kind of if they can't watch it. They can't act it No, this is true and look what happened to Linda Blair after she did her exorcist role, you know, she's no longer with all there you go You know, it makes you wonder was there something attached when you do a role like that?

I would not ever have put my kid Yeah, there was was it pulled your guys serve extra this that they were saying that the set was haunted well both I mean the actress that played a little girl. She's no longer with us Yeah, who knows if there's any kind of attachment to I know I'm not gonna push that envelope and nor do I want to say that you know with our show for me personally like I You know, like there's movies that I won't watch because I don't want certain energies to come into the house and there's certain podcasts episodes that they do where I won't listen to them on a very rare occasion if I don't really know what I'm getting myself into I might but you know There was there was a case that I heard of with dark waters where he had done an episode and it had affected him And I think the guy he interviewed and possibly even some of the listeners like after they listened to it They experienced weird stuff at night. And so unfortunately, I'm gonna have to say that when it comes to demon stuff Probably not gonna have you on the air. At least we talked to me.

I'm not gonna deal with that No, and we may not do that just because I don't want to be alone Yeah, sorry dude. I'm on the other way No, that's no fun for me. Not at all. Um, okay, so another Halloween topic and that'll pull us away from the demon so How about that?

Sure, we were talking earlier about the Halloween parties when you mentioned bobbing for apples The first thing I thought of was my grandma and I'm like man, I wish that I could have my grandma on right now I'll have to see if she'll um maybe come on in December for one of our Christmas episodes Because I love hearing about the traditions that she did when she was a kid You know, because gosh, she was born. Oh, right? 1930 So right really fun stories. I love them.

Yeah, interesting I bet it was completely different. I never really I don't ever remember having a conversation with my grandparents as to how they celebrated Halloween But yeah, I remember she said something about the caramel dabbles and about bobbing for apples But that I really wish my grandpa was so with us because he had the stories You know, he he would tell story. I mean he was great at it You know one of my favorite and this has nothing to do with Halloween or paranormal But just to share with everybody He they sat in the one room schoolhouse and they were out in this really country little town And all the desks were sitting in a row, you know, and each desk had an inkwell So girls, you know, they'd have their hair and braids or pigtails and The girls sitting in front of him. He'd just take their hair and he'd dip them in the inkwells, you know Oh, yes Well, I think that was a very common thing That it's funny that you mentioned that because it was it seemed like a very common thing to do if a girl sat in front of you was You had to dip her hair in the well Yeah, lots of fun stories five-cent movies for the cartoons And He he was really good with a with a rock He could you know throw it just right and you know could kill a quail or a swirl or something like that, you know Really good at that and he told me one time the story that he was protecting his little cousin and There's a bunch of bullies.

I mean, it's like straight out of um stand by me, you know, right I want that When kids were really kids Yes, yes, exactly get on your bikes and ride That's right. Hide the play boys in the cigarette Miss those days and miss those days I do miss those days. Mm-hmm. So what was your Halloween question?

Sorry guys. Oh my all right. So How about and I already know your answer as long as I ask the question properly So for Halloween for Halloween your favorite Halloween poet Mm-hmm. That's funny.

I mean, I've never considered I mean, of course that grow in Poe as we've I from a young age grandpa introduced me to Poe and um He he could recite the Raven and so then I learned how to recite it and it's so funny because when I had gotten into school Gosh, what grade was that? It was nice grade. I believe and we were doing a unit on um Poe And I remember talking to the teacher I wasn't really a I didn't have a lot of friends or anything like that And I and I could talk to the teachers a lot easier than I could other kids my age because growing up with my dad doing the postcard thing everybody with my dad's age So um, I remember I was talking with a teacher and she was just like, oh my gosh, you know, my heart, you know So she had your sight at first class and then when I ended up in 10th grade When my my next English teacher he had heard about that and everything and so he started talking to me about some of his Post other works, you know, and he was really impressed that somebody as young as me how these things memorized and could kind of go into What I thought he was thinking and analyzing it all that kind of stuff and and then by senior year Um, because I was really super into art my top class is where English art and choir and uh For advanced art, which you know, you had to kind of build a portfolio and try out to get into And then by the end of it your stuff is all displayed on a wall I had I had brought in my complete work of a ground Poe and set it next to a bus that I had that I made of him And then I also did a right did a charcoal drawing portrait of him So, yeah, so I was really such when Sam did what he did. I still need to get one and put it on my wall Oh, there you go Wouldn't I do you think you still have the capability to recite the rape because that's not actually a short poem by any No, gosh with everything was gone on since then.

I mean because back then too I had a lot more downtime where I was just I mean gosh my whole life was just filled with my grandpa had had made this whole studio down in basement I had my I had my easel with all my canvases and then I had um I ended up getting a um a music stand and I had brought home all my choir music, you know, and I had that there and then I had like my own little personal library and uh and so I mean that was just What I ate and breathed back then and now it's it's much different Whenever did I clean the cat box? I mean, I'd have to see the first Okay. Well, let's see here try try try this and see if we can't harmonize Are you ready? Well, once once upon a mid-nigery while I pondered we can worry Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore while I nodded nearly napping Suddenly there came a tapping as as of some one gently rapping rapping Like chamber door to some visitor.

I'm rather tapping tapping at my chamber door Only this only this and nothing more Ah distinctly I remember it was in the bleak December very good dying ember brought its ghost upon the floor the floor eagerly I would tomorrow Mainly I had sought to borrow from my books, you know Cersei's a sorrow sorrow for the lost linoir For the rare radiant maiden whom the angels named Lenore Nameless here forevermore Right. Oh my god only Vance and jennifer can just holy screw up a pope, right? Thank you guys. No, it's You know, there was another poem that um You've read Annabelle to me a couple months ago.

I love that one and when you've read it. It was just yeah Oh, because that is a favorite of mine Okay It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea that it made in their lives to me You may know by the name of Annabelle And it's made and she lives with no other thought meant to love and be loved by me I was a child and she was a child in this kingdom by the sea But we loved with a love that was more than love. I and my Annabelle With a love that the wing seraphs of heaven coveted her and me And this was the reason that long ago in this kingdom by the sea A wind blew out of a cloud chilling my beautiful Annabelle So that her highborn kinsman came and bore her away from me to shut her up and sepulch her in this kingdom by the sea The angels not half so happy in heaven went in being heard me Yes, that was the reason as all men know in this kingdom by the sea That the wind came out of the cloud by night chilling and killing my Annabelle But our love it was stronger by far than the love of those who were older than we Of many far wiser than we and neither the angels in heaven above nor the demons down under the sea Can ever to sever my soul from the soul of the beautiful Annabelle For the moon never beams without bringing me dreams of the beautiful Annabelle And the stars never rise but I feel the bright eyes of the beautiful Annabelle And so all the night tide I lie down by the sea of my darling my darling my life and my bride And the sepulch are there by the sea in her tomb by the founding sea See that's why it's just one of my favorites I adore that poem. Oh my god.

No, I do too. Um, that is one of my favorites from Paul Um, let me There was one that I heard of from my parents um It was Gosh, let me It was where there was the um There were two men and they were Feeling to dabbers You remember it's an older one. Oh, and it was it was it was a famous one. It's it's not Oh, man.

Um, well here well alone Annabelle the bells the city and the sea No Dreamland Dreamland is pretty awesome because of the ramifications that came about from dream line. I dream without a dream El Dorado for Annie The haunted palace the raven the sleeper to the river spirits of the dead A valentine the valley of unrest. That's my list No, um, there's like it says This guy was the butcher and this guy was the whatever And and there was a story surrounding it that you know, they were stealing cadavers or whatever and then one of them ended up making um Brown They ground to the meat and some of it the guy's butcher shop. Yeah, all people get this, you know fresh Sweet baby rays on her People's sandwich Do you like a sweet bread with your sweet barbecue sauce on your pulled people's sandwich?

Yes. Yes Oh certain hair or um I don't know Gosh, I know that I'm not well studied in po No, it's not. Oh, it's like Mm It was different. Um It's something different like I remember see back then I heard that fell in my herd dung again and And then the raven Those were the the three eyes and I just too but I don't I can't find it.

I'll have to I'll find it later But yeah, it was definitely it was short too. It was short, you know, um But creepy that's for sure. Yeah. Well, we'll have to do a uh cannibalism cannibalism poem.

Let's see We come up with Right for Halloween special. Okay, get ready. This is for the Halloween special. Are you ready?

I'm ready. My hot cocoa stirred What what I said boo Right Edit take 25 Oh, I forgot to put my Oh, wow, that's scary Yes I forgot to put cream in my coffee. This is terrifying. No, no, no, it's my hot cocoa.

Let's get it right. I forgot Oh good All right, that's that's horrifying in itself Hey, man, you know, that was oh wait, maybe in the beginning you did tell everybody to get their uh their hot drinks I did it's a good one to cozy up in bed get the fire going have a warm beverage and enjoy your Halloween Trick or tree trick or tree trick or tree. Oh, favorite Halloween candy then sir I already told you what mine was a while ago and you kind of just went yeah But well, right, but did we do it on air? I believe we I believe we did that.

I don't did we do it. I don't remember but Yeah, no, I right now. I kind of like the dark chocolate milky way That's pretty tasty. It's got nougat nougat.

No, no No, no nougat down. That's the second time that we're coming up today. Isn't it Jen? I don't recall probably why I told You're right.

You're right three musketeers. Yes, but nougat came up twice today. Mm-hmm That's cool. Yes.

You guys need to for your Halloween special go check out stranger things It's an awesome one for Halloween. It's cool because there's even Halloween like they the time frame Uh-huh I love it when shows do that when they'll be like hey It's actually Christmas in our show world and it's Christmas in the real world In the background the the sound one of those like five minutes until so time no you don't recognize of this I can't hear it Probably Halloween for Happy Halloween And every time that PD commercial came on it was sending subliminal messages to all the children So when Halloween came around it would be the mass slaughter No, oh really? Doesn't ring a bell with you Happy happy Halloween Halloween Halloween Silver Shammat yes, it was a corporate mind takeover Poison all the children. I know very dark very dark.

It makes you wonder about authors doesn't it? How far twisted they are. Well, you know, I was always scared about actually like I think that one of the biggest things I was scared of for Halloween was the candy Having it laced or painted side of it. Yes, that always freaked me out I still to this day like I won't eat Halloween candy Really like if we go, uh-huh if we go trick-or-treating it's usually at stores or Like there's that place called McMinniman's Grand Lodge that I told you about that has the ghost log that I was wanting to write a piece about They have this big thing where they use and trick-or-treat in the different rooms that they have And they're all you know decorated to a different theme and everybody's dressed up to really cool And it's all inside so it's nice.

So even if it's raining outside the kids have a great time and We're gonna we're gonna trick-or-treat in the neighborhood this year And we did a little bit last year, but for the most part again, if I had my choice, it would it would definitely be you know safer location See, I wouldn't mind getting an apple with a razor blade in it because you know I could use a razor blade from time to time There's some things I want to come be like sweet. I got a bonus in my in my apple Yeah, I see okay So you go trick-or-treating and then the old the old lady down the street would make popcorn balls and throw them in a baggie and throw them in your bag And you're happy Halloween. It's like dude. This is like the worst and going back to that house Oh my gosh, there are people that hand out Raisin Two I think the worst thing I ever got for Halloween.

Oh lordy Wax lips, they were gone Get out of town. I would have taken a whole bag of wax lips are you kidding? Oh, you know You wear them for like five minutes and then you chew the live-in snot out of them and spit them out once all the cherry flavor was gone Does it like come together like dumb? I mean, I know I don't know Yeah, you could chew it like dumb, but it was wax and it would coat your teeth and protect them from the other sugar that you were going to eat So it had a benefit Oh, yeah, give me give me Oh, I would have taken like I said that and those little wax soda pop bottles that had little goo juice in it Need bike to top off and you drink the you know, three thousandths of an ounce of Flavored syrup they put and then chew the bottle up.

Oh, yummy. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, give me a bag of the wax lips And give me a bag of those Little soda pop bottles.

Yeah, it's so funny because it totally like those are a lot older though Those are like the what was it? Yeah, but you can't be your Bubba Bubba. What hubba Yeah, it's okay Well, anyways, they remind me of you know, we used to get the candy cigarettes. Uh-huh And I went to Me it was last year.

I went to This the store that's out here. It's called five below so on everything's either five dollars or below and they sell the vintage candy cigarettes there I bought the whole cake really About the entire case and the ladies look at me like what are you doing? I'm like no I'm buying this whole case of your candy cigarettes because you can't buy them anymore. They're pretty much done away with Candies, but they had you know the it was a little cowboy on air and yeah Mm-hmm.

Yeah, that's fantastic. Oh, it's but I didn't like it for the fact that it was like, oh, I'm cool because I've got to sit No, I just like the candy. I like the taste. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, I was all about the candy Yeah, that's exactly um and it's funny because when you were talking about the wax bottles, I couldn't stay on those but um we would go to so my paternal side is German and they Love to get the um You know like the the brats and the the different kinds of candies and with all, you know And so we've got a couple at least awesome authentic German delis over here And I remember we would get It would either be a Christmas gift that was given to us or something my dad would buy but they were these like fancy chocolates And there's like dark chocolate and they were filled with alcohol. Did you ever get anything? Oh my grandmother used to keep a bowl of them on her coffee table Wow, my grandparents The multicolored uh after dinner mint that's what they come on our table.

Oh, okay, right these bottles with alcohol They were just oh yum where they not the best That was the best. I was like grandma. I love you I just want to go to grandma's. I was just eating all the chocolate liqueur in the candies And of course, you know, she would fly my wrist and say it's not for kids.

No. Yeah, it is. I'm sorry But you don't have to do with my mother boy. I have to so yeah, this is oh my god This is my way.

This is my escape route grandma. Thank you. No, I love those. Oh, that's good Well, it's totally reminds me Yeah, go ahead.

No. No. No, I want to hear what that reminds Well, it's funny because just really thinking back and remembering Christmas when I was a kid and when I when it had that You know, the holidays don't always have that magical feeling But During that time frame, you know, that's when we got those and then we'd always get from my uncle He would send over these huge boxes of Is it hillshire farm? Is that what it's called?

What the meat and the cheese and all that? Yeah, yes Yes, but I know what you mean the the box was meant to look like a wood crate and you open it up and it had summer Cheese and yeah, I love getting those Because I really I miss getting that Okay, well the strawberry can you all right the goo the goo strawberry in the middle? I love those. Oh my god, and you could try to challenge yourself to see if you could actually let it last long enough So then you just go away, but I could never get that far.

I would just have the crunch Yeah, and then you get all over your teeth and it was just deliciousness You know what I was going to say before the disappointment candy was dot Remember that it was like you got a receipt from the store with little drops of candy stuck all over the sheet of paper And then you had to peel it off the paper the people and I'm getting 50 percent candy and 50 percent paper That was terrible. I was just such a little I'm gonna go on the limb here and I may be hated by half of our listeners after I say this but um My most hated candy that disappointed me and made me mad at the same time Okay, you ready? I hate to think of battle. Let's go.

Let's go. Let's go. No. F you bears.

Oh, I'd be okay with that I wouldn't have to do it like a yummy flavor and then they like lit me on fire the second thing You know right now, then I just like yeah, this is horrible lies. It's a lie. It's a disappointment. No, I totally just bear of light Boston baked beans awful.

I mean just awful No, thank you, but you can have those and hand them back to the lady to put them in your trick-or-treat bag Say no somebody else needs more than me. Yeah, thank you, but no No, a favorite would have been like, um, mary jane Remember those when they came in the yellow wax paper and they were kind of like bit of honey type of coffee with little crush nuts and whatever in it Oh, that's pretty. Yeah, that sounds familiar Um, what other vintage gum? I ain't then again another disappointment You go to a house and ring the ballot trick-or-treat and they would throw a pack of or a couple sticks of double mint gum in your bed Like you do you have a sound effect with a bell every time you say trick-or-treat Oh Here we go.

I've got classic candies. We've got um Bosco milk chocolate Turkish taffy. Well, this is definitely not Turkish taffy. I was to stay away from that just because it's called Turkish taffy.

I'd wonder what was in that Okay, man. I wasn't a big fan of both of you What is that? You'll kill yourself. Grab it with a soap pad.

Yeah, goofy groceries thingy bug them Okay. Wow. Oh Okay, the bubble gum remember the the gold rush and it came in a little in a little burlap bag and it just had yellow chunks of gum and you just pour that in your mouth and it was bubble gum, but it was called the gold rush No Fun fact Fun fact is on here fun fact Wednesday Adam Um The the gal that also played um in sleepy hollow. Mm-hmm I don't remember her name, but maybe people might not talk about Um, I'm on a writer Hello, let me let me know what are you talking the original Wednesday?

Or are you making remake Wednesday? Let's see. Let me I'll I'll recognize her name. Um, okay.

Oh Yeah, I know who you're talking about and her name has just eluded me as well as all of our listeners are going they're yelling it right now Yeah, it's Christina because I posted a picture of her dress with Morticia Adams and I just couldn't stop staring at that picture all night Oh, well. Okay. So I was actually really good friends with her grandpa Oh My dad, so, you know, he would he would run these huge anti-paper shows several times a year up here in the Pacific Northwest Well, paper shows. I guess not antique, but um, so When we very first started out we started out in this really big pay-and-pack building and every Um, so I think it was like every sunday There was a like a flea market that would come in and so kind of at the back of the Of the building so we'd share the big building on Sundays with those dealers And the guy one of the guys that came in he specialized in Pez all kinds of Pez visitors So when I get bored sitting there at my dad's table I would go wander around and then I go talk to the Pez guy and I remember he when he said that um, oh, yeah My granddaughter just got cast as a Wednesday And um, yeah, and she looks just like him.

They look really similar and great guy. Yeah Yep, I always wondered what what came of of all of them and how they've been doing so Really great people. Oh, she's still in the acting world. Um, she did go through some very serious personal struggles But um, I believe that she's pretty well overcome, but I just want to hug him for selling Pez because you know, get out of my way when it comes to Pez I don't think he was always so cool.

I just want to get him. Well, every time I would go over there because it was only um Let's see how many times I think we'd only have a show twice at that building Um, so I'd only see him two times a year and so he'd always give me like I was able to pick whatever Pez that I wanted And uh, and then he'd give me a free Thing to fill it up. Really? Yeah, so my choice as long as it wasn't too old, you know, and so It was a lot of fun.

Yeah Well, like I said, I get out of my way when it comes to Pez. I don't care about the dispenser But I will tie, you know the 25 pack of just Pez and they don't last long here. I'm sorry I know a lot of you might think well, he's really got a sweet tooth, but no give me my pez the nest co The Yeah, but I don't yeah, but I don't okay. I like neko wafers, but just give me the chocolate ones I want just the brown ones.

I yeah, no, just give me the brown ones I'm good and they do sell just the strawberry which are the pink ones and chocolate I do not like the and Gammett when I come across a black one because licorice that just belongs to satan licorice I don't know But no that doesn't belong on this plane of existence. I belong in the upside down It's black if it belongs in the upside down. That is that player. Yes.

No, it would be licorice Now are you talking about specifically black licorice or what about red licorice? There's I don't think I don't consider red licorice is red licorice. No, I don't black and it's licorice is awful It's absolutely the worst flavor. You could have put sugar too.

Yes, yeah So I think two of the biggest things that like if I was to pick a meaningful food what food would be meaningful Um, and that I don't buy that often because it's actually a little emotional for me is whoppers You know the malt balls Those were my absolute favorite and they still are and that was my grandpa's favorite Now So you love these three ones when Yeah, it's going but they make Easter egg whoppers, but they're just different colors. They're called robin eggs Or whopper robin eggs. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's good. Yeah, it's going.

All right. Go on He chewed black dot gum and I'm telling you man So he chewed it all throughout when I was kids grandma would get what she she called it joo-joo fruit the yellow juicy fruit sticks so she got that and grandpa would get his blackjack gum and uh, I remember it became hard to find and You know why cuz it sucks and nobody wanted I was finally able to find some for him at a truck stop when we were traveling around and So I found some and I you know I gave it to him as a guest and he thought that was really cool And since he's passed and I'm telling you this we don't have black literature Like that's not something that I go out and buy Um, but I've smelled it Mm-hmm. I have smelled it. I that's my point.

It's an evil flavor. It just comes to every once in a while Yes, it's because it comes back behind you It climbs into your sinus passage and it haunts it. That's that's black You know feel free to get on my side. We can all protest dance and you know Well, I'm telling you most people do not like black licorice.

There's a few strange No black licorice. No, you just make a face of color. Black licorice or not. It's Black licorice is like I said that's from the upside down.

That's what I'll tell you that I did find out There is something if you eat too much licorice that it can hurt you like it Yeah, it's called a little bit. Yeah It's anus and Or not like anus and it's awful white white white boy. I said, why don't you go eat some spam Okay, I'm getting your point, but no Actually, I'm gonna hold I'm gonna hold you up here for a second So way back when when we were doing a curl grant just give the listeners a little bit of a history We were laughing and we were trying different foods and one of the things he hadn't tried which I was shocked Let's spam Yeah, and so I love it. Now.

This is another grandpa thing. He grandma would um Slice it up and she would cook it in the pan. Sometimes she might go with it. Um, I remember though when I was a kid I would always just slice it off cold And just eat it like that and but grandpa liked the spam sandwiches, you know, so anyway, so I really liked them I don't it's not anything that my family likes but so I don't get it often But I was laughing and I told them that he didn't try it And so we didn't I think you went facebook live during your spam adventures While shopping for it, right and then Yeah, you pick a video when you did the right and the other the other memorable food that I would eat with grandpa while we'd watch the radio was Gizzard chicken gizzards breaded chicken gizzards.

Oh my god. They are amazing At you. I dared you to go grab some and eat them and you never did So why because you couldn't find them here because nobody eats them. That's why I like see what you want gizzards to eat, sir.

I'm like no Oh, that's fantastic. Yeah, they're like popular. Yeah. No, heaven.

No, no, no, no, no, no, please Maybe you'll get some in your trick-or-treat bag this year, Jen. I like licorice and And my balls and well, maw balls are Maw balls Oh, it's fantastic malton milk balls. Yes. The woppers they they are fabulous.

I will give you that with the fake chocolate wax Coding and mmm deliciousness, but yeah, it's licorice. No, I'm sorry that done that back to the dark place and which it came from. No, I don't do that And people might remember something called sense then scn scn and it was that anise And they were super super tiny little squares And they came in a tin foil pack and you're supposed to eat a handful of them and it was supposed to freshen your breath And my dad was addicted to sense and he had sense and I tried a couple and I'm like Oh, this is all it reminds me of the black jelly beans. It's like why did somebody flavor?

So I think this tastes good. No, it doesn't taste good at all. Speaking of jelly beans though And I mean we've been talking candy for a while so this is the last thing I'll say is um I forget what they're called today. Literally.

Oh my gosh. So My sister sent over a Halloween box last year And in it were these jelly beans that oh bamboozles or something where some of them tasted amazing and some of them were horrifying So you had your choices of like blue raspberry, one melon tropical toothpaste Vomit Wasn't that the Harry Potter Harry Potter beans? Right. Yes.

And I'm telling you dude So they would they would be the same color as the other flavors So you never knew which one you would get so I smelled every one that I picked up and one of them that I picked up Melly socks. Oh my god I can't believe that they made something so putrid and then yeah, I'm so sorry Any box magical beans, isn't that what they are? I think for any box. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah From Harry Potter. Yes, I do.

Right It's all Halloween, Jen. All of this is Halloween Halloween Yeah, it wasn't it's fun to relive Halloween I have to say yeah to go back and to live Through the childhood memories and to be able to get that again and then to have gotten to knew the special Lord's over all month long It has been Crumpus A month of crumpus about that Thank you, uh Everybody that stuff I am put up with listening to the Halloween episode Yeah, which which we have uh nearly Expended two hours of your time to join us in this one-on-one conversation of how our Halloween and Halloween up past and that liquor sucks and All-balled are good. Well, hopefully it brought back a lot of fun memories for them Created a new fun memory for them and uh, you know, we'll come back next year too. And uh, we'll do again Thank you everybody.

Have a wonderful Halloween night. Boom