Hi, this is Janet Lansbury. Welcome to Unraveled. Today I have the great pleasure of introducing you to one of the most inspiring people I've ever come across, Elizabeth Corey. Now, if you're not already aware of Elizabeth's extraordinary work, she's a survivor of severe childhood trauma who shares her healing journey with others as a life coach for survivors of trauma and abuse.
And all of this is on her website, beatingtrauma.com Elizabeth is also the mother of twins, and she's acutely aware of the challenges that parents with less than ideal childhood experiences face. One doesn't need to have experienced abuse to benefit from Elizabeth's insights. They resonate deeply with me. They can help any parent recognize their triggers and break negative cycles and patterns of behavior that may have been passed down to them.
And that is why I immediately thought of Elizabeth when I received a note from a parent who's struggling to be the confident leader she aims to be. She knows what to do. But time and again in the moment with her toddler, when her toddler's behaving in challenging ways, she snaps and she behaves in a manner that she regrets. She can't seem to break the cycle of reactivity and regret.
Hi, Elizabeth. Hi, Janet. Thank you so much for having me on. Elizabeth has written some wonderful guest posts for my website that have always, always been some of the most popular.
And she's just a gift to the universe. So I can't say enough good things about you. Thank you so much. So here's a note I wanted to share with Elizabeth and try to get her thoughts.
Dear Janet, greetings from Prague, Czech Republic. I discovered your podcast half a year ago and have your books, too. They're a great help. Thank you very much.
I have a question about myself. I was raised in a way that was in no way respectful. Now I very often feel overwhelmed by the responsibility of raising my daughter two and a half years old. The fact that children model our behavior is really scary for me.
I'm listening to your podcast and it all makes sense. And I totally know how to behave at the moment of listening. And then the real situations come in and I just don't manage. Unfortunately, I'm not a confident leader.
I don't stay calm, focused, kind to my child, especially when I'm tired. Certain behaviors of my daughters send me through the roof. I get very nervous and then I snap and. And I do all the wrong things that a good parent should not.
I realize afterwards when I calm down and I regret it. But then it happens again. I'm educating myself since the birth of my daughter, but my progress is very slow. And she grows up so fast.
So the question is how to become a better parent faster. What can I do to help myself? So what do you think, Elizabeth? Do you have any thoughts for this parent?
Does this bring up anything for you? I do have thoughts for this parent. And the first thing I want to say is that she is not alone at all in this particular issue she's having. This is something I hear every day from parents just like her who have been through horrific or even moderately difficult childhoods or childhoods I don't remember at all.
And they're trying desperately to raise their children in a way that is different from the experiences they had. And they're not succeeding. Maybe they're succeeding in some ways, but it's just not enough. Because let's face it, Janet, we are so hard on ourselves as parents.
Yes. And what that does is it actually creates more stress for us. So we're already reacting out of being stressed out, and then we beat ourselves up and we create a more stress out way. Exactly.
It does not help us be a better parent to be constantly criticizing ourselves about how we have not been a good parent. It never worked. So I wanted to start by saying that it's really important that people know they are not alone. Because honestly, when we have done through difficult childhoods, we have a tendency to isolate ourselves because that was often what was done to us.
So we will come up with stories in our heads about how we're the only people who have experienced this issue, are the only people struggling. Everybody else gets this. And so I like to begin by breaking that pattern of thinking, because it isn't true. There are so many of us who are struggling, especially with parenting young children, after we've experienced some kind of trauma in childhood.
So I always like to start there. That's brilliant, because I can attest to that. I receive notes like this all the time. And I have had my own version of this myself when I was a new parent especially.
So, yes, we're not alone. No. So a lot of us think of trauma as something that is a newsworthy event, and trauma really isn't like that. Trauma is actually the response that a person is having to an event.
So something can be traumatic for one person and not for another. Or more importantly, something can be traumatic for a child that adult thinks is just a normal everyday experience. So we have to look at the fact that when we talk about trauma, it's not all really, really awful. Stuff that is clearly drama and belongs in newspapers.
Sometimes it's things that we just couldn't process very well. And when we can't process something in childhood, that immediately begins to create difficulties for us in the way that we process the rest of the world. Our nervous system begins to get a bit worked up. We start to have experiences in the brain and in the body that indicate that we're in a state of hyper alert.
Right. And if it happens enough, we don't leave that state. We will live there. And when we live there and we have children, we will begin to see problems in the relationship between ourselves and the child.
We often project our relationship with our abusive caregivers onto our children because let's face it, there are similarities between young children and people who don't respect their boundaries. When we are growing up, they're actually not that different. The difference really is that children are allowed to be that way and abusive adults are not. Right.
So we have this hyper vigilance. It's really intense and we are carrying a ton of fear and we're too scared to set boundaries and we're hovering over our children to protect them, even from themselves and their own emotions. And with all this fear in the system, we are going to try to maintain some kind of control over the situation. And that often turns into angry responses to our children.
And I want to be clear that this all happens in an instance. We aren't aware that this is all going on. We don't know, okay, first I get hyper vigilant, then I get scared, then I get angry. It happens so fast, we don't even see the escalation until it is too late.
Yeah, that's the out of body experience that happens when all of a sudden we're angry and we're watching ourselves and we're like, what am I doing right now? I don't want to be doing this and yet I can't stop it. Right. And so that is my evaluation of what is actually happening.
And I have a lot of people who I work with who are working through this escalation and finding ways to break the pattern before it starts. It's very difficult, but it can be done. I have a sense also in my own experience and my experience with parents that oftentimes it can be pretty specific things that we were shamed for as children or isolated for go away. I don't want to see that.
Rejected for in some ways emotionally abandoned for those tend to be specific triggers for us that when our child behaves in those ways Then we can get triggered back into our own shame and fear around those situations, around those kind of exact experiences or similar experiences. As a matter of fact, this is how generational trauma works. When we have been shamed for something, we will then project that shame onto our children in very similar ways to what happened to us. Some of the most common examples, unfortunately, because this is such a difficult area for us as human beings, happens around emotions.
Let's say you had a lot of anger and you were willing to express it. You're willing to say exactly how you felt and you were shamed for that expression. You are going to be much more likely in adulthood to shame your child for angry expression because you have internalized that shame and now it's coming out as a child. And that is very common.
It can also be things that you might not see normally as negative, even by society standards. You can have certain strengths that run a family, but if those strengths have been sort of pushed away and, you know, shoved down and taught to be shameful in some way over time, you will suppress those in your children as well, because they were suppressed in you. So it isn't always something that society would say, well, that's a really bad thing. Things like singing, almost anything.
If your child is really strong but you were told that you weren't good at it, you might be like, oh, don't do that. You don't have much to do that. Let's move on, we'll do something else. So, yes, it comes out in so many ways, and they are really specific.
And as you said early on, we often don't even remember having those experiences, I think, especially for a lot of women around anger. So maybe we Express anger at 1 or 2 years old or even younger. And we saw that, whoa, that's not okay with my parents. And we don't even remember expressing anger in our whole life.
So it can come as a surprise when something that we don't even recognize in ourself or remember springs up in our child and we remember react to it, and we don't even know the context for it. We can't even figure that out. Exactly. And I work a lot with people who have different levels of memory repression as a part of their own experiences.
Some of those are because we're just really young, but some of those are because we needed to put away those memories because we couldn't process them, so they needed to no longer live in our conscious mind. I work with that a lot. I will say that a lot of times what I hear Is, oh, I was never allowed to get angry. I never expressed any anger.
Not even one time was I angry. I was such a conformist. And then we begin to kind of look under the surface and realize, no, you tried. You did.
Because we all try. Children are naturally expressive. Exactly. And so, yes, you're very right that many times what we are triggered about is not something we're holding in our conscious mind on a daily basis.
We just don't even know that it's a thing under the surface for us. And so what would be the first step that you would recommend or the first steps to someone like this parent who notices that this happens when she's tired especially? Well, that makes sense, because she's even more depleted than her arousal state is going to sort of take over at that point, probably. But how can we start?
How can we. How can we get there? So what I normally like to talk about here is that if we want to connect it to our children differently, we need it to reconnect to ourselves. So a lot of the work that I do is about beginning to build an inner conversation with self.
And for some of us with trauma, self has been erased. For the most part, we're not even aware of who we are, let alone what our purpose is and what will fill us and make us happy. That's out of the question. We haven't even begun to consider that.
So the idea of having an inner conversation can feel nebulous, but it can also feel scary. And sometimes that's for good reason, because we have put away some things that we put away for a reason, and the idea of looking at them again doesn't sound really awesome, but it's so important for our healing to do it. So I encourage what I call emotional journaling as a way of reconnecting ourselves with what's happening in the unconscious that's driving this escalation and us driving those triggers. Right.
And the way emotional journaling works is instead of writing about an emotion, I am angry. We actually write from the emotion. So what is the emotion actually saying now? It's hard to do because our defenses try to stop us from doing that.
Why? Because we have already been proven that this is dangerous. We learned in childhood we were not allowed to express this emotion, so why would we write from it now? Right.
So it's a process to get ourselves there. But as we begin to explore writing from the anger, specifically that's coming out at our children in these moments where we have escalated over time, we release that from the system and we get to what's underneath that anger. Anger is almost always a defensive emotion process. What I mean by that is there's something beneath it.
Could be grief, could be fear, could be shame, but there's something there that we can get in touch with only once we have allowed the anger to express itself. Now, one of the most common objections I hear this is, okay, Elizabeth, that sounds great, but it's not like I can just leave my 2 year old in the kitchen while I run off to write in my journal. And believe me, nobody gets that more than me because I had 22 year olds and a really angry inner self at the same time. And I can tell you that one of the biggest things that we can learn through emotional journaling is how to recall that anger after the moment.
Anger is actually something that's fairly easy to recall, believe it or not. I'm not saying it won't take any practice, but if your child goes to bed at night and you can sit down and go, I was really angry earlier and I'm going to sit with that right now. I'm going to sit with that feeling and I'm going to see if I can let that express. Many times you can do it.
It's not going to be perfect, it won't work every time. But by beginning this inner conversation with yourself, you will begin to release some of these patterns and even more important, build awareness around why it's happening in the first place, which is a huge part of what we're trying to understand. And that will build compassion for yourself. And let's face it, a lot of us don't have much of that, but we can build that compassion for self because we can finally understand why we're so angry and why we're so scared.
There's a reason for it and we don't always know the full answer to that until we do this right. It's not our fault. It's not just some terrible flaw in us. Exactly.
It was a reaction to something else, you know, that we didn't control. And it's okay. Yes. In fact, it could be kind of sad that those things happen to us.
And you know, being able to feel that compassion like you said, and to care for ourselves in that way. Right. Allowing sadness is one of the most important parts of this work. Allowing ourselves to grieve and not let the non stop record of it wasn't that bad.
You're overreacting. Stop that for a few minutes and just let ourselves feel how we feel. It's very, very powerful and that is going to be reflected in your relationship with your children. It will be mirrored.
The more that you respect yourself and your emotions, the more you have compassion for yourself and how you feel, the more you're going to have that with your children. And that's this modeling this parent wants to do that she's so afraid of, but she can turn that around and have it be the most incredible positive modeling. Definitely. And another thing I'll say on that front that's really important is, you know, I'm not a perfect parent.
I'm still not a perfect parent. I'm never going to be a perfect parent. But the growth in myself from the time my kids were very, very young until now, and they're 12 now, has been so big that even my children comment on it regularly. There is nothing better for us to model to our children than, I used to get angry at you because I was triggered, and now I have processed my anger and I express it in a grounded way.
You cannot model anything better for your children. So don't think just because you didn't start at the best spot that you are not teaching them amazing emotional expression skills by doing your own work on yourself. Really, your kids will pick up on it, and they will admire you for it. It's something kids sort of naturally understand, much more so than adults do.
Yes, absolutely. And I think we can also express our care for some of the effects of that on our children, and as you said before, more compassion for them, because we understand that we were doing something that was involuntary at the time, that affected them nonetheless. And that's so powerful when we can say to them, hey, I get how you feel that way, and I'm not gonna respond defensively to that. You know, I get it.
You're struggling here because I expressed emotion in a way that just wasn't right. I also don't have to hold a lot of shame over that, but I can certainly apologize for it. Right? Yeah.
There's so much grace in all of that, and it's gonna be hard to get there, I think, you know, for anybody. But even people that have more minor issues of this, it's. It's very hard to express how we may have let our children down when this is, for most of us, the most important job that we. We have.
Right. It is hard, but the key is, if you're trying to get to know yourself better and you're trying to have compassion for yourself, you will naturally have a better opportunity to be a loving, compassionate, and in many cases, apologetic parent. Yeah. So to a parent like this one in the.
In the note, you would encourage the journaling and encourage the awareness, getting in touch with the emotion, being able to go there and write from there. And then what else is there more that you would advise this parent to do? I think the more that this parent can work with this journaling and really bring an understanding to why they're reacting the way they are, the more they're going to be able to encourage the child to express emotion in a more expressive way. Building a grounding practice over time, Even if it's 30, 60, 90 seconds with the grounding at any moment.
And that will increase the ability to tolerate the toddler's emotions so that you can hold space for that child to feel how they feel. And the more they're able to express, the less likely their emotional expression will be so intense to the point where it triggers, you know, the mother to the point where they can't handle it anymore. Right. Or it gets locked into these behaviors because the emotions need to be expressed.
They're not being expressed. So the child keeps really having that healthy instinct to express them. But now it's coming out through behavior that doesn't even look like emotion anymore. It just looks like this mean behavior that children do to us, you know, this really uncooperative, awful stuff.
But behind all of that is that same stress and emotion that the parent is reacting out of. Sometimes it can be helpful if there's been a block on emotional expression for a while, to do some contained emotional expression, let's say some art projects or some hitting pillows or some screening contests, which I've done with my children, to just kind of get out some of that emotional energy that's really stored in the. Allow them to be super expressive in these other ways, I have found, can be really helpful to bring a child's nervous system back down to where those behaviors start to minimize a little bit. Yeah.
And I think from the work that I do, just getting familiar with that situation where you're allowing your child to have their feelings and supporting them to. And soothing them with your presence and acceptance, rather than trying to make the feelings disappear. The way that looks and feels takes practice. I've spent a lot of time and energy and writing trying to explain and illustrate an exchange between two people that is so crucial for children as they develop and really for all of us to be able to do just to have our feelings and not have the other person's discomfort take over.
It takes a lot of practice to get comfortable. And it's never going to be really that comfortable, but it can become familiar, and you can start to make peace with it and realize how positive it is. But it's going to feel very unfamiliar and scary to a parent who is just starting to think about these things and look at these things and thinking, as this parent maybe, that if I just know what to do, I'm just going to be able to do it when she can't. Until she does this other work, it sounds like, yes.
And when I wrote that piece for you, that was really what I was getting at. These concepts are brilliant and so helpful for me in my own parenting journey. But there's this gap between those of us with even some trauma in certain situations and what it would take to be in that place all the time. Of course we're not gonna be there all the time, but there's a gap.
And it can be so frustrating. Like, why can't I get there? Why can't I be that? I want to be that?
The reality is your system has been put into survival mode. And when it comes to emotions, that's immediately where you go is into the survival mode. And survival mode is not parenting mode. That's not how we parent.
That can be a real struggle, especially with people who have complex trauma, to find their way back to this place. Yeah, that makes sense. There are so many different angles why this emotion became dangerous. And we have to work through those and understand those and process them out, process the fear out of us.
But hopefully, just the beginning of this process, opening the door to. To that awareness and that sense of my own childhood, my own history as separate from my child's, can help us to get some clarity right away in terms of, wait, this isn't about my child doing this to me. This is my child's separate experience, and I'm taking it that way because of my own experience finding that separation, I think we can offer that parent the path to that right away, that this is something to work on about ourselves. And I think she knows that.
She knows that this is about her and that it's something she needs to work on, and she just doesn't know how. Definitely. I mean, I definitely had that impression from her writing that she knows this is something she needs to work on, which, honestly, is a part of the battle right there. Yeah, this is my issue.
This isn't a problem with the child. This is my stuff that I need to process out. Then being able to really delve in and get serious about where this is coming from and why my system Is responding this way through writing in particular, will begin to make a person's awareness of these situations just much, much stronger. I find people can write for fairly short periods of time, even 10 minutes every couple of days, and begin to have these epiphanies when they're in situations of their child.
Like, oh, I see what's happening here pretty quickly in the process. But of course, the more that you stick to it, the deeper it goes and, you know, the more long lasting experiences you can have and the more it becomes a part of your body and a part of your story. Well, this is really, really helpful. And I've got to say, you are so generous with yourself and your experience and your hope for parents.
How many articles have you written? I can't even in my inbox, I'm like, I don't know if I have time to read all these, but I subscribe to Elizabeth's website and she has the most wonderful articles and she just keeps putting them out there and wow, you're just a giver. Thank you so much. Yeah, I do write once a week and all these blogs are free and available to anybody who wants them.
But thank you so much. Oh, of course. And you know, as I said in the beginning of this, I am not a survivor of abuse, but I so relate to everything that Elizabeth writes about and talks about. I do think that probably almost all of us have some subtle experiences and behaviors that we were shamed for and things that we can wrestle with that are getting in our way.
And I just appreciate everything that Elizabeth's doing and her amazing mission that she has. And she's a very brave person. If you read her story, you will see. So thank you so much, Elizabeth and I hope we get to talk again.
Thank you so much and of course I'd love to come back anytime and talk. This is probably my favorite topic, is how we can break the generational cycle and become the parents we want to be. Be well, my dear. Thank you.
Thank you so much. We'll do this again, Elizabeth, and thank you all for listening. We can do this.