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Aug 23, 2021 16 min

LSAT Logic Games Coaching w/ Steve

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What's going on and how could I help? So I guess I'm more interested in the beginning of my studies. So I think right now, one of my biggest challenges has been actually just feeling encouraged to keep doing logic games because I find myself even spending like 15 to 20 minutes on one logic game and it's just, I'm like, okay, so I'm going through the study schedule. You're the four months when you send me.

And so to get through like the logic game section, it's taking me longer than I thought it would. Like the daily homework, so it can take me like up to like two, three hours to just do like those little bit of logic games, which I'm like, wow, I thought this would be so much faster and something like our faster but it's like, it's just been difficult to not get discouraged with it. I hear that. Well, it'll definitely be faster on test day because they're setting the clock.

But the good news is that for now, it's okay. 15, 20 minutes on a single game on time. You got to give yourself a chance to learn. Yeah, no, that's what I had to, I'm trying to remind myself.

I tend to be the type of person who just wants to be good at something from the beginning. Yeah, no, I totally hear that. But if it's unfamiliar, it's too high standard to hold yourself to you. You'll get there eventually, but just give yourself a chance to learn the material first.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I think I have to just remind myself that. And then there's this other thing that I'm running into where there's like, there's so many different resources out there.

And I think I'm almost overwhelming myself by being like, I'm going to see how like this resource does logic games and this resource and this resource to see what sticks more because I've heard that that's like, that's something that you should do when you're trying to see what works best with your brain. But then I find that I'm like, I think I'm like, Oh, I'm actually doing it. I'm like, this resource is to do this. So this is to do this.

And then so it's like, I kind of freeze up. What did you do? I just, I don't know if you would suggest like sticking to one thing and then kind of seeing like growing with that. And then if that isn't working, like trying something else instead of like, let's try this and this also simultaneously.

Yeah, I noticed that happening a lot actually with students just because there's more out there than ever before. And so you could look up five different sources on how to solve a single game. Why wouldn't you? The reason is time, the reason is that there's a cost to your time, even if the content itself is free.

And so I would suggest doing no explanations at all. Or at the minimum, just picking one or two that you find to be consistently useful for you. And you might ask, how could you do it with none at all? And the answer is redoing and review.

But or maybe you look at one explanation, you see how they solve it. And then you put that aside and do it on your own. And since you're in my course, you've access to all of my videos. And so you have those as one option, but you can also search YouTuber look for others too and find what works best.

But I would find one consistently and stick with that. Yeah, I think I need to. I think when I, when I watch something and it doesn't stick, I'm like, Oh, well, maybe I'll watch this one and see if it sticks this way. But I think I just need to go back and try it myself.

What else is going on for you? Are there any other big challenges you see yourself facing? I think another one is like, just the general, like finding the time to study because I work full time and I'm working from home right now. So it's a little different, like finding those boundaries in between like study time and working time and like leisure time.

So I know that I try to work like an hour in the, or I tried to study one hour in the morning and then like two and after work, but it's just, it's just difficult to do to be able to actually like get in the mindset studying. After working all day in the same area where I've been now studying, it's like I'm in front of a computer for like 10, 12 hours straight. Yeah, that's a lot. That's a lot.

Do you have another space in your house where you could move to? Yeah, I guess I haven't really tried that. I could see how that works. Could be worth trying.

And then if you're able to even work outside, maybe that's an option to like in the backyard or something. If you have access to something like that, that could be good. I guess one other thing would just be to put some time in between. So there's something else you can do in between work and studying like dinner exercise go for a walk, do something that's not just sitting in that same spot in front of the computer.

That could be good to just change it up a little bit. And then you could also change time. So rather than after work, what about before work? What about in between work if you have some downtime during the day?

If you have some flexibility, that could be good too. No, that makes sense. And I guess another thing that I'm also struggling with is again to logic games because I've started with logic games. Everything relates to that is I don't know whether I should be timing myself at the beginning or if I should just kind of be giving myself all the time that I need or.

And the reason I ask is because like what I mentioned is like I'm feeling a little bit discouraged timing myself right now because I'm like, I'm supposed to hit like, I don't know, I have like this eight minute goal for myself. But obviously I hardly ever hit it because I'm at the beginning of my studies. So I don't know if it makes sense to be timing myself at all right now. For now, no, if you're at the beginning stages in the first couple of weeks, forget about timing for now.

Just focus on accuracy and deeply understanding the problems and then speed speed will come with understanding as you continue practicing. And I had a suggestion on Reddit, of course, to just get like a general like intro to logic book and just kind of read to it to become acquainted with logic. And so I was wondering what you think about that because I was looking at some textbooks online. And like, should I spend my study time doing this.

No, that doesn't count study time. If you're already in the thick of LSAT prep, I don't see a reason to go outside of that for non LSAT related resources if you that's the sort of thing I would say to somebody who is a freshman in college and they want to get a big sense of what's involved I would say get a book on informal logic. But a logic textbook is going to go way beyond what you need, and probably just confuse your scary more so I would definitely steer clear of that. Okay, cool.

That's good to know because it's literally in my car and I was like, oh no. Yeah, I figured it would take me a really long time to read it anyways. Yeah, definitely would. And for like reading materials, I'm trying to find the best reading materials like outside of like actually studying.

I do like to read pretty often. So I don't know if you have any suggestions for that. Yeah, short two common ones are scientific American and the economist. If you want to read dense material that will loosely help with reading common some way, but I would do that just as a light thing on the side I wouldn't count that as actual studying.

And if you like to read all the better, that'll make it easier to do this sort of thing. But there's so many passages on the LSAT that you could study for the LSAT and not cover all of those. I think you're better off reading the passages then going outside of that. So if you can print them out or photocopy them or just read them, that would be something that would be useful to do.

And then if you want to make a drill or exercise out of it, you could look to see what's the main idea. What's the other's opinion at least extract that from it. Yeah, that makes sense. And I'll be coming back to logic things because I just thought of something.

In reviewing a logic game that has taken me, like I have been able to get the answers correct, but it's maybe taking like 15 minutes. Should I do suggest that I then like redo that logic game to try and like speed up the process or like. I guess make it more efficient or because I know there's like it's good to blind review. I just don't know at what stage I should be blind reviewing.

Yeah, you can do it anytime. I mean, I think that's your games. It's more about people talk about redoing games looking at explanations, redoing them again people talk about doing games several times. I wouldn't redo all games several times.

I would only do you preserve that for the ones that really give you trouble. You might look at an explanation. And then like I said, redo it without looking at explanation. And you could look at a few different sources to see different ways people go about it, but I wouldn't feel an obligation to do that for every single game because then it just gets really overwhelming really fast.

If you put all that obligation on yourself for all the problems you work through. So that's my quick take on that. I think reviewing there's plenty more we can talk about when you get to reviewing and logical reasoning and different ways you can analyze things there and that can take a bit of time as well. But since you're on games, I'll just leave it there.

But again, on time for now is totally fine. 15, 20 minutes or more for a single game for now is totally fine. Okay. And at what stage like I guess normally do you just generally do start seeing people focusing more on timing than on actually just trying to get it right.

Well, I'll tell you what I suggest, which is that you spend the earliest phases working on time to focus on accuracy. And then once you've built the basic familiarity, once you've built a good foundation in games, then you start doing individual timed games sections. And you'll see this in the schedule about a month or so in, I'll have you move from games to logical reasoning. And then you'll focus on logical reasoning on timed by type, but you'll still be mixing in now timed games sections to focus on pacing and to focus on obviously getting them all completed in time.

Okay. Let's get to now. I did kind of look ahead. I don't look ahead too much.

But all right. I think I will also feel less discouraged if I'm not typing this right now. Definitely. I hope so.

I hope so. Anything else for today? One thing is I'm trying to, it's kind of mostly has to do with LSAT crap that it a little bit outside of it so I'm choosing in between going to another job which would give me less time for LSAT studying, but might look really good on a resume. And for law school, and I'm trying to figure out which one I should stay with, like should I continue with my job where I have a good amount of time to study because they know I'm studying for the LSAT.

And they're pretty understanding about that. Or should I go to this other job which is like, I think it would look very good. Okay. Well, is the other job really, really, really good.

And would you mind sharing what it is? Well, it's not guaranteed that I have it yet. So it's like, I don't think record. That's okay.

Let's keep it vague and hypothetical. Okay. It's for a big national organization. Okay.

Cool. That does a lot of good work. That's cool. I mean, that's nice.

Nice. Nice. Nice. That's inspiring.

That's awesome. So big national organization does work in civil rights. I'm sure there's many inspiring ideological reasons why you want to work there. And maybe your current job doesn't have those characteristics.

Yeah, it does. Smaller local. Okay. Well, that's still pretty cool that you're doing that now.

I mean, I would say that if you're really sure about law school, then I would stick with the current job just because if they're going to accommodate you with LSAT prep and fitting it helping you fit in the time to do that, that's going to better serve your long-term interests. If you take this job with a national organization, that could be awesome for a resume, but Law School Bisions is primarily LSAT and GPA. So although it looks cool on a resume and maybe you could write a cool personal statement about it, it sounds like you're the work that you're doing now is pretty cool too. And you could write a great personal statement about what you're doing at the moment too or what you've done in the past also.

So I wouldn't feel an obligation to do that to take on that new job if you get it, if it means that it's going to adversely impact your LSAT prep. Right. That's what I was thinking. And I hate to tell you that because this other job sounds cool, but I'm focusing on the long-term for you here.

Yeah. That's what I'm trying to think of too, like constantly, like, okay, I probably only be there for like a year and then hopefully go to Law School. So it's, yeah. And maybe this I'm just throwing this out there, but maybe there's a way where you could take the new job with the understanding that they're going to respect certain time limited boundaries where you're going to be able to block off time to focus on prep.

Yeah. If that's just not even in the cards though, then it's a big risk. Yeah. No, no, I agree.

Unless I can negotiate it, then I don't, I don't think it's going to be as good of an option as I have right now. Well, can you post it on it? It sounds like you got to get up to either way and we're going to do a personal saving workshop soon in the course. So we can definitely go into a draft of your statement around either one of these jobs or something else altogether.

Yes. That sounds like fun. Do you do it in like a group setting? Yeah, it will be a group setting.

And one cool thing is that if you want your statement to be anonymous, we can do that too. So I can, I can workshop it and folks can give you back and it won't be attributed to you in particular if you prefer. Awesome. That sounds exciting.

Yeah, definitely. I'm looking forward to it too. Well, what would you say is the biggest insight you got from our call today? Is to just stay focused for the most part.

I mean, I'm a type of person who tries to do many things at once to try and understand it right away, but I know it's going to take time. So stay focused and just keep going. Perfect. All right.

Well, it's great connecting with you. Keep in touch and I'll see you in class soon. Yeah, thank you. Thanks for tuning into the show.

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