Maggie Haberman: The Hunter & The Hunted

John welcomes back New York Times White House correspondent Maggie Haberman to discuss her runaway No. 1 bestseller, “Regime Change: Inside the Imperial Presidency of Donald Trump,” co-authored with Jonathan Swan; why the story of second-term Trump is less about how he’s changed than how he’s the same as ever, only more so; the degree to which retribution and self-enrichment are animating impulses of Trump 2.0; and the challenges of getting to the truth about a president for whom deceit and delusion are default settings.