Magical Ink

46: Ariel and Stef are joined by Dr. Jinxi Caddel for a heartfelt and art-filled dive into the world of tattoos, identity, and Disney fandom. From full Alice in Wonderland back pieces to tiny churro flash tats, this episode celebrates how ink becomes a personal archive of memory, culture, and connection. Jinxi shares her journey from tattoo publishing to mental health, co-owning a tattoo shop, and running a private practice for those who color outside the lines. Together, they unpack stigma, nostalgia, and the healing power of self-expression—through Disney and beyond. Whether you’re tattooed, tattoo-curious, or just love a good Dole Whip, this one’s for you. Summary 00:00 Hosts and guest introductions 02:00 Childhood Disney memories and first tattoos 04:00 Jinxi’s journey from tattoo publishing to psychology 08:00 Stigma, acceptance, and professional visibility 13:00 Tattoos in families and intergenerational storytelling 16:00 Favorite Disney tattoos—characters, quotes, and food! 20:00 Fandoms in ink: Star Wars, Marvel, and park icons 24:00 Flash tattoos and memory markers 28:00 Permanent makeup and cultural ties 32:00 Tattoos as affirmations and emotional touchstones 35:00 Therapeutic meaning behind body art 40:00 Building safe, expressive spaces in education and therapy 46:00 Final reflections and where to find Jinxi’s work Transcription 00:00:03:20 – 00:00:05:01 Hello, everyone. 00:00:05:01 – 00:00:07:01 Welcome to the Happiest Pod on Earth. 00:00:07:01 – 00:00:07:18 I’m Stef 00:00:07:18 – 00:00:09:12 I’m an educator who uses passions 00:00:09:12 – 00:00:10:09 and fandoms to help 00:00:10:09 – 00:00:11:15 my students grow 00:00:11:15 – 00:00:12:19 and learn about themselves 00:00:12:19 – 00:00:14:07 and the world around them. 00:00:14:07 – 00:00:16:01 And I’m Ariel, a licensed therapist 00:00:16:01 – 00:00:17:20 who uses clients passions and fandoms 00:00:17:20 – 00:00:18:15 to help them grow 00:00:18:15 – 00:00:19:11 and heal from trauma 00:00:19:11 – 00:00:21:19 and mental and wellness. 00:00:21:19 – 00:00:23:14 And I am Jinxi 00:00:23:14 – 00:00:25:19 and I’m a mental health therapist 00:00:25:19 – 00:00:27:12 and a book publisher. 00:00:27:12 – 00:00:29:10 And the tattoo shop owner, 00:00:29:10 – 00:00:31:11 in Eugene, Oregon. 00:00:31:11 – 00:00:33:01 I have a practice called Black 00:00:33:01 – 00:00:33:20 Sleep Therapy, 00:00:33:20 – 00:00:36:20 where, I like to help people who, 00:00:36:22 – 00:00:39:02 like to color outside the lines. 00:00:39:02 – 00:00:40:09 That might be black sheep 00:00:40:09 – 00:00:43:05 or unicorns themselves. 00:00:43:05 – 00:00:45:02 So I’m happy to be here. 00:00:45:02 – 00:00:46:04 Wonderful. 00:00:46:04 – 00:00:47:11 And here at Happiest Pod, 00:00:47:11 – 00:00:48:19 we dissect Disney mediums 00:00:48:19 – 00:00:50:05 So the critical lens. Why? 00:00:50:05 – 00:00:51:15 Because we are more than just fans, 00:00:51:15 – 00:00:53:06 and we expect more from the mediums 00:00:53:06 – 00:00:54:07 we consume. 00:00:54:07 – 00:00:56:15 So, what are we talking about today? 00:00:57:21 – 00:00:59:09 Well, we have another very 00:00:59:09 – 00:01:01:04 special guest on our podcast. 00:01:01:04 – 00:01:03:04 Welcome, Dr. Jinxi Right? 00:01:03:04 – 00:01:04:05 It is. 00:01:04:05 – 00:01:05:17 Thank you so much. 00:01:05:17 – 00:01:06:11 I appreciate it, 00:01:06:11 – 00:01:08:09 but I’m so happy to be here. 00:01:08:09 – 00:01:09:15 Yeah, absolutely. 00:01:09:15 – 00:01:11:22 And we’re we have a really fun topic 00:01:11:22 – 00:01:12:15 to talk about. 00:01:12:15 – 00:01:13:18 And, 00:01:13:18 – 00:01:16:11 we talk about Disney art on many levels, 00:01:16:11 – 00:01:18:09 but I think this is a level of Disney 00:01:18:09 – 00:01:20:21 art that we haven’t quite talked about, 00:01:20:21 – 00:01:23:14 which is body art and tattoos. 00:01:23:14 – 00:01:24:13 And, 00:01:24:13 – 00:01:26:11 I think with the recent, 00:01:26:11 – 00:01:28:14 I think resurgence of tattoos 00:01:28:14 – 00:01:29:17 and the accessibility 00:01:29:17 – 00:01:30:19 to getting tattoos 00:01:30:19 – 00:01:33:15 has been widely seen and respected. 00:01:33:15 – 00:01:35:17 And, we just love 00:01:35:17 – 00:01:36:19 especially going to the parks 00:01:36:19 – 00:01:37:15 and seeing different 00:01:37:15 – 00:01:40:00 interpretations of Disney art. 00:01:40:00 – 00:01:40:16 And also, 00:01:40:16 – 00:01:40:21 you know, 00:01:40:21 – 00:01:42:17 we were really curious for you, 00:01:42:17 – 00:01:44:02 Dr. Jinxi 00:01:44:02 – 00:01:47:02 you’re kind of journey into your 00:01:47:02 – 00:01:49:17 amazing life, I think, as a therapist 00:01:49:17 – 00:01:51:02 and as an artist. 00:01:51:02 – 00:01:52:18 I think it’s a very unique, 00:01:52:18 – 00:01:54:01 perspective 00:01:54:01 – 00:01:55:10 that not many people know about. 00:01:55:10 – 00:01:57:11 Yeah. Well, thank you so much. 00:01:57:11 – 00:02:00:11 I, you know, it’s funny because 00:02:00:17 – 00:02:03:14 as a child, my very first experience 00:02:03:14 – 00:02:07:03 with a tattoo was at Disneyland, 00:02:07:03 – 00:02:10:05 and I was behind a girl in line 00:02:10:05 – 00:02:11:16 who had a Cheshire 00:02:11:16 – 00:02:14:08 cat tattoo on her back. 00:02:14:08 – 00:02:15:20 And I thought it was like, 00:02:15:20 – 00:02:18:08 the dreamiest thing I had ever seen, 00:02:18:08 – 00:02:19:01 and I. 00:02:19:01 – 00:02:19:23 I can’t remember 00:02:19:23 – 00:02:22:05 how old I was, but I just 00:02:22:05 – 00:02:25:05 it was locked in and I just knew 00:02:25:05 – 00:02:27:05 someday I wanted tattoos to, 00:02:28:16 – 00:02:30:07 And, I 00:02:30:07 – 00:02:31:16 actually didn’t get 00:02:31:16 – 00:02:34:01 my first tattoo until, 00:02:34:01 – 00:02:34:08 like, 00:02:34:08 – 00:02:35:13 my mid to late 00:02:35:13 – 00:02:36:22 20s, after 00:02:36:22 – 00:02:38:17 I had had all of my kids 00:02:38:17 – 00:02:43:23 and, I was working as a, an editor 00:02:43:23 – 00:02:44:17 and a writer 00:02:44:17 – 00:02:45:18 for several, 00:02:45:18 – 00:02:48:18 tattoo magazines at the time. 00:02:48:21 – 00:02:51:04 And so that just opened 00:02:51:04 – 00:02:51:19 my world 00:02:51:19 – 00:02:54:04 into all of these incredible artists. 00:02:54:04 – 00:02:55:09 And, 00:02:55:09 – 00:02:56:18 my very first tattoo 00:02:56:18 – 00:02:59:18 was a tiny little cherry on my ankle. 00:03:00:00 – 00:03:01:00 And, 00:03:01:00 – 00:03:04:03 and that has since grown into pretty much 00:03:04:03 – 00:03:05:06 I have my whole head 00:03:05:06 – 00:03:08:05 tattooed, down, down to my toes. 00:03:08:05 – 00:03:09:08 Most of it’s covered. 00:03:09:08 – 00:03:10:21 I have a couple little spots 00:03:10:21 – 00:03:12:23 that I’m trying to hopefully 00:03:12:23 – 00:03:14:19 be conservative them with now, 00:03:14:19 – 00:03:15:07 because I don’t 00:03:15:07 – 00:03:18:07 have much real estate left. 00:03:19:04 – 00:03:20:17 But, that’s a real thing. 00:03:20:17 – 00:03:21:09 That’s a real thing. 00:03:21:09 – 00:03:22:21 The real estate is limited 00:03:22:21 – 00:03:25:11 And, you know, I did it, 00:03:25:11 – 00:03:26:21 when I first started, 00:03:26:21 – 00:03:30:01 I was so into the art form 00:03:30:01 – 00:03:33:04 and the, the camaraderie 00:03:33:04 – 00:03:35:01 and just the whole experience 00:03:35:01 – 00:03:36:04 of getting tattooed 00:03:36:04 – 00:03:37:20 that I went full force, 00:03:37:20 – 00:03:38:17 you know, like, once 00:03:38:17 – 00:03:40:00 I was ready to do it, 00:03:40:00 – 00:03:43:00 I was like, just going. 00:03:43:06 – 00:03:44:06 So I. 00:03:44:06 – 00:03:45:14 I covered up a lot, 00:03:45:14 – 00:03:48:06 you know, my arms, pretty early on, 00:03:48:06 – 00:03:49:16 a lot of the precious 00:03:49:16 – 00:03:51:10 real estate got taken up, 00:03:51:10 – 00:03:52:20 you know, in my early years. 00:03:52:20 – 00:03:55:12 But, now I’m much more, 00:03:55:12 – 00:03:57:08 you know, thoughtful. I think. 00:03:57:08 – 00:04:00:06 So I worked 00:04:00:06 – 00:04:01:20 in the publishing world 00:04:01:20 – 00:04:04:09 for a long time in the tattoo realm, 00:04:04:09 – 00:04:05:02 and, 00:04:05:02 – 00:04:06:00 eventually worked 00:04:06:00 – 00:04:08:11 for a publishing company in the, 00:04:08:11 – 00:04:10:09 where I kind of learn 00:04:10:09 – 00:04:13:03 the ropes of how to put books together. 00:04:13:03 – 00:04:14:12 And then my husband 00:04:14:12 – 00:04:17:12 and I, started Out of Step Books 00:04:17:13 – 00:04:20:13 in, 2010. 00:04:20:13 – 00:04:23:10 And we made art and tattoo books. 00:04:23:10 – 00:04:24:11 We still run it, 00:04:24:11 – 00:04:25:23 but we’re both pretty busy 00:04:25:23 – 00:04:26:22 with lots of things. 00:04:26:22 – 00:04:28:16 So we haven’t done a book 00:04:28:16 – 00:04:29:23 for two years now, 00:04:29:23 – 00:04:32:23 but we did 28 publications, 00:04:32:23 – 00:04:35:20 including, two children’s books, 00:04:35:20 – 00:04:39:06 and they’re all somehow tattoo related. 00:04:39:15 – 00:04:40:02 What the 00:04:40:02 – 00:04:41:06 the kids book is 00:04:41:06 – 00:04:42:11 kind of a little dip 00:04:42:11 – 00:04:45:01 into positive psychology 00:04:45:01 – 00:04:47:19 about having a positive mental attitude, 00:04:47:19 – 00:04:49:09 and it was illustrated 00:04:49:09 – 00:04:51:05 by a tattoo artist. 00:04:51:05 – 00:04:53:06 And then we have one of the other kids 00:04:53:06 – 00:04:55:05 books is a little ABC book, 00:04:55:05 – 00:04:56:00 and it was, 00:04:56:00 – 00:04:57:18 26 tattoo artists 00:04:57:18 – 00:05:00:14 each did a letter of the alphabet. 00:05:00:14 – 00:05:03:12 It’s super cute and…. That’s amazing! 00:05:03:12 – 00:05:04:03 Yeah, 00:05:04:03 – 00:05:04:21 it was fun 00:05:04:21 – 00:05:05:21 because we used to go 00:05:05:21 – 00:05:07:09 to a lot of conventions 00:05:07:09 – 00:05:08:07 to sell the books. 00:05:08:07 – 00:05:10:08 And, you know, a lot of tattoo 00:05:10:08 – 00:05:11:19 collectors have children. 00:05:11:19 – 00:05:13:03 Yeah. 00:05:13:03 – 00:05:13:21 It was just. Yeah. 00:05:13:21 – 00:05:16:00 You know, it was pretty awesome 00:05:16:00 – 00:05:17:17 to get to have that. 00:05:17:17 – 00:05:21:12 And then when we moved to, 00:05:21:12 – 00:05:23:03 Eugene, Oregon, we, 00:05:23:03 – 00:05:24:17 opened the, tattoo 00:05:24:17 – 00:05:26:23 shop, called Out of Step Tattoo. 00:05:26:23 – 00:05:28:03 And at this time, 00:05:28:03 – 00:05:30:01 I had gone back to school, 00:05:30:01 – 00:05:31:05 many years ago 00:05:31:05 – 00:05:33:11 to get my masters and my doctorate 00:05:33:11 – 00:05:35:05 in clinical psychology. 00:05:35:05 – 00:05:38:07 So I kind of, I still have 00:05:38:15 – 00:05:42:05 my artistic ties because obviously, it’s 00:05:42:05 – 00:05:43:11 my outlet, 00:05:43:11 – 00:05:45:12 you know, for the things today, 00:05:45:12 – 00:05:48:01 a part of my self-care. 00:05:48:01 – 00:05:51:01 And, I need that in my life 00:05:51:02 – 00:05:52:21 to be able to handle the work 00:05:52:21 – 00:05:55:03 I do as a therapist. 00:05:55:03 – 00:05:57:15 So it’s been a very unique, 00:05:57:15 – 00:06:01:01 but awesome balance for me. 00:06:01:01 – 00:06:03:08 Yes. Yeah, yeah. 00:06:03:08 – 00:06:04:13 So I’m, I’m hearing 00:06:04:13 – 00:06:05:14 that you got to 00:06:05:14 – 00:06:06:19 really meld together 00:06:06:19 – 00:06:08:02 different parts of yourself 00:06:08:02 – 00:06:09:09 for authenticity 00:06:09:09 – 00:06:11:04 And I’m hearing that as being 00:06:11:04 – 00:06:11:21 it feeds you. 00:06:11:21 – 00:06:13:12 It continues to rejuvenate 00:06:13:12 – 00:06:15:19 you and be a new experience. 00:06:15:19 – 00:06:16:22 Absolutely. 00:06:16:22 – 00:06:18:19 And the tattoo community 00:06:18:19 – 00:06:21:19 became so important in my life, too. 00:06:21:20 – 00:06:24:17 You know, they I feel like it’s family. 00:06:24:17 – 00:06:26:20 And it gave me so much. 00:06:26:20 – 00:06:28:11 And the artists 00:06:28:11 – 00:06:30:06 I worked with were so important, 00:06:30:06 – 00:06:31:11 especially on the books. 00:06:31:11 – 00:06:33:22 We would work with thousands of artists 00:06:33:22 – 00:06:34:23 from across the world. 00:06:34:23 – 00:06:36:06 So, 00:06:36:06 – 00:06:38:15 it just became such a part of my life, 00:06:38:15 – 00:06:39:01 you know? 00:06:39:01 – 00:06:40:19 And honestly, 00:06:40:19 – 00:06:42:17 shout out to the tattoo community, 00:06:42:17 – 00:06:43:23 because when we were low 00:06:43:23 – 00:06:46:23 on masks and gloves during the pandemic, 00:06:47:08 – 00:06:48:19 a lot of tattoo artists 00:06:48:19 – 00:06:50:20 donated those things to hospital. 00:06:50:20 – 00:06:52:08 Like it was vital for us 00:06:52:08 – 00:06:53:06 our ability 00:06:53:06 – 00:06:54:19 to be able to move forward 00:06:54:19 – 00:06:57:09 and take care of our healing professions. 00:06:57:09 – 00:06:58:14 Absolutely 00:06:58:14 – 00:07:00:11 I know it’s it’s 00:07:00:11 – 00:07:03:06 really is an incredible community 00:07:03:06 – 00:07:04:09 of people. 00:07:04:09 – 00:07:06:09 And, 00:07:06:09 – 00:07:07:21 I, I still I’m 00:07:07:21 – 00:07:09:15 a co-owner of the tattoo shop. 00:07:09:15 – 00:07:10:14 I don’t get to be 00:07:10:14 – 00:07:11:23 there as much as I like 00:07:11:23 – 00:07:14:15 because I’m always in my office. 00:07:14:15 – 00:07:17:15 But, but my partner, runs it, 00:07:17:16 – 00:07:19:15 and we have 12 amazing 00:07:19:15 – 00:07:23:17 artists who are very, dedicated to 00:07:23:17 – 00:07:25:23 and inclusive environment that, 00:07:25:23 – 00:07:28:23 you know, that just delivers 00:07:28:23 – 00:07:32:05 special and wonderful art to collectors. 00:07:32:11 – 00:07:34:01 So it’s. 00:07:34:01 – 00:07:36:20 Yeah, it’s it’s been a it’s been a 00:07:36:20 – 00:07:38:04 I feel super lucky, 00:07:38:04 – 00:07:40:14 you know, to have been on this journey 00:07:40:14 – 00:07:41:12 in this way. 00:07:41:12 – 00:07:42:10 And, you know, 00:07:42:10 – 00:07:43:01 it’s funny 00:07:43:01 – 00:07:46:05 because when I first went back to school, 00:07:46:09 – 00:07:49:03 I was really concerned about my tattoos 00:07:49:03 – 00:07:51:00 because I had very visible, 00:07:51:00 – 00:07:53:14 you know, head, neck and hand tattoos 00:07:53:14 – 00:07:57:11 and I didn’t know if, it would be okay. 00:07:57:11 – 00:07:59:20 You know, in my, in the profession 00:07:59:20 – 00:08:02:15 because I didn’t know if people would 00:08:02:15 – 00:08:04:10 accept me and hire me. 00:08:05:23 – 00:08:08:19 But, you know, it’s it’s been, 00:08:08:19 – 00:08:10:11 I don’t feel like my tattoos 00:08:10:11 – 00:08:12:17 have ever held me back at all 00:08:12:17 – 00:08:14:20 in the mental health world. It’s been. 00:08:14:20 – 00:08:15:11 If anything, 00:08:15:11 – 00:08:16:03 I feel like 00:08:16:03 – 00:08:19:06 it helps me to connect to my clients. 00:08:19:13 – 00:08:19:17 Yeah. 00:08:19:17 – 00:08:20:12 And, 00:08:20:12 – 00:08:22:21 I think a lot of people maybe seek me out 00:08:22:21 – 00:08:24:08 because they, 00:08:24:08 – 00:08:25:10 they see things 00:08:25:10 – 00:08:28:07 that they feel related to. 00:08:28:07 – 00:08:31:07 So it’s it’s been it’s been cool. 00:08:32:09 – 00:08:33:10 I’m curious. 00:08:33:10 – 00:08:35:16 I know that you have tattoos 00:08:35:16 – 00:08:37:21 all over your body with visible, Stef? 00:08:37:21 – 00:08:39:07 Do you have tattoos 00:08:39:07 – 00:08:41:10 because you’re in an education space? 00:08:41:10 – 00:08:44:06 And is that was there worry there or now? 00:08:44:06 – 00:08:45:14 Has the perception changed? 00:08:45:14 – 00:08:46:12 Because I know that 00:08:46:12 – 00:08:47:22 in the mental health field, 00:08:47:22 – 00:08:50:01 we’re allowing clinicians 00:08:50:01 – 00:08:51:12 to be more authentic, 00:08:51:12 – 00:08:53:11 no longer the blank slate. 00:08:53:11 – 00:08:56:17 So has that, experience you’re having? 00:08:57:21 – 00:09:00:04 No, actually, when I 00:09:00:04 – 00:09:00:18 finish school, 00:09:00:18 – 00:09:01:16 because I finish school 00:09:01:16 – 00:09:02:10 a little bit later, 00:09:02:10 – 00:09:05:06 I got my teaching credential in Masters. 00:09:05:06 – 00:09:06:04 A little bit later. 00:09:06:04 – 00:09:06:16 Wasn’t left, 00:09:06:16 – 00:09:07:16 like, right out of high school. 00:09:07:16 – 00:09:09:11 I worked for a long time, 00:09:09:11 – 00:09:11:02 when I was doing my student teaching, 00:09:11:02 – 00:09:12:09 I met a lot of colleagues, 00:09:12:09 – 00:09:13:23 especially in the schools, 00:09:13:23 – 00:09:16:08 that I was doing my student teaching at, 00:09:16:08 – 00:09:17:20 that had visible tattoos. 00:09:17:20 – 00:09:20:04 Mainly they were on their arms. 00:09:20:04 – 00:09:21:12 Sometimes they had them on their necks 00:09:21:12 – 00:09:22:08 and things like that. 00:09:22:08 – 00:09:24:21 But now being in Los Angeles, it’s 00:09:24:21 – 00:09:25:13 it was a little bit 00:09:25:13 – 00:09:26:09 more expected 00:09:26:09 – 00:09:28:00 because we are 00:09:28:00 – 00:09:28:06 we were 00:09:28:06 – 00:09:29:10 kind of going into the wave 00:09:29:10 – 00:09:30:13 of younger 00:09:30:13 – 00:09:31:20 educators now 00:09:31:20 – 00:09:32:19 because a lot of our 00:09:32:19 – 00:09:34:12 educators were retiring. 00:09:34:12 – 00:09:35:22 And some of my mentors, 00:09:35:22 – 00:09:37:21 one of my mentors in particular, 00:09:37:21 – 00:09:39:16 he was a musician as well, 00:09:39:16 – 00:09:40:22 but he had been teaching in the 00:09:40:22 – 00:09:43:23 LSD system for somewhat 20 years, 00:09:43:23 – 00:09:46:19 and he had tattoos only on his arms. 00:09:46:19 – 00:09:47:11 But, 00:09:47:11 – 00:09:49:00 it totally took that stigma 00:09:49:00 – 00:09:50:12 away from me immediately. 00:09:50:12 – 00:09:52:05 And then when I got hired 00:09:52:05 – 00:09:54:03 at the school that I’m currently in, 00:09:54:03 – 00:09:56:04 my coworkers, they had tattoos. 00:09:56:04 – 00:09:58:17 This one, they were female and nice. 00:09:58:17 – 00:09:59:20 You know, the kids love them 00:09:59:20 – 00:10:02:05 because they were colorful. 00:10:02:05 – 00:10:04:02 Know the parents that we serve. 00:10:04:02 – 00:10:05:22 They have tattoos, too. 00:10:05:22 – 00:10:07:09 And I think 00:10:07:09 – 00:10:08:10 now it’s it’s 00:10:08:10 – 00:10:10:14 more of an expression of their art 00:10:10:14 – 00:10:12:05 and things that they love 00:10:12:05 – 00:10:14:12 as opposed to an identity marker. 00:10:14:12 – 00:10:16:21 And, I know there was so many years 00:10:16:21 – 00:10:18:22 that it was a negative identity marker, 00:10:18:22 – 00:10:20:13 especially in certain areas of, 00:10:20:13 – 00:10:21:21 you know, Los Angeles 00:10:21:21 – 00:10:22:23 and other big cities. 00:10:22:23 – 00:10:25:21 But I think slowly that stigma 00:10:25:21 – 00:10:27:09 has kind of gone away now 00:10:27:09 – 00:10:29:17 because these people, 00:10:29:17 – 00:10:31:08 they’re just here with their families 00:10:31:08 – 00:10:32:08 and they just want their kids 00:10:32:08 – 00:10:33:09 to have a safe space 00:10:33:09 – 00:10:35:01 where they can be themselves. 00:10:35:01 – 00:10:36:23 So, I mean, I have 00:10:36:23 – 00:10:39:16 two visible tattoos, but I have, 00:10:39:16 – 00:10:41:03 you know, hope 00:10:41:03 – 00:10:42:05 I’ve been wanting to have more, 00:10:42:05 – 00:10:44:03 but having kids in the middle of it 00:10:44:03 – 00:10:45:18 got kind of hard. 00:10:45:18 – 00:10:47:19 But it’s true. 00:10:47:19 – 00:10:49:07 But my husband, he’s, 00:10:49:07 – 00:10:50:05 you know, 00:10:50:05 – 00:10:51:04 we’ve mentioned before 00:10:51:04 – 00:10:52:13 he’s enlisted in the military, 00:10:52:13 – 00:10:56:09 and he is all tatted up, but, 00:10:56:09 – 00:10:56:18 you know, 00:10:56:18 – 00:10:57:16 even though 00:10:57:16 – 00:10:59:15 they have certain regulations, 00:10:59:15 – 00:11:03:14 I think when he changes into his, 00:11:03:14 – 00:11:04:20 physical training clothes, 00:11:04:20 – 00:11:06:19 everyone’s like, oh, my gosh, 00:11:06:19 – 00:11:08:17 I didn’t know you were blasting 00:11:08:17 – 00:11:10:03 all your arms and legs. 00:11:10:03 – 00:11:13:03 And it’s a conversation piece. 00:11:13:05 – 00:11:14:14 And, yeah, 00:11:14:14 – 00:11:15:11 you know, for him, 00:11:15:11 – 00:11:18:08 we were just at Disney World recently, 00:11:18:08 – 00:11:20:20 and so many people come up to him 00:11:20:20 – 00:11:22:21 and ask him, hey, man, I love your ink. 00:11:22:21 – 00:11:24:09 Like I really love the art. 00:11:24:09 – 00:11:25:03 You know, like, 00:11:25:03 – 00:11:26:09 you know, just kudos to you. 00:11:26:09 – 00:11:27:12 And that’s how they strike 00:11:27:12 – 00:11:29:07 conversation and commonality. 00:11:29:07 – 00:11:30:07 And even though 00:11:30:07 – 00:11:31:13 they weren’t Disney tattoos, 00:11:31:13 – 00:11:34:00 they just admire the work of the artist. 00:11:34:00 – 00:11:35:18 And that in itself creates community. 00:11:35:18 – 00:11:38:08 And it’s so beautiful to see. Totally. 00:11:38:08 – 00:11:41:17 I, I love to hear that so many educators 00:11:41:20 – 00:11:43:11 have visible tattoos. 00:11:43:11 – 00:11:44:19 That makes me so happy. 00:11:44:19 – 00:11:46:23 It’s so, so awesome. 00:11:46:23 – 00:11:50:12 I, I worked for a short period of time 00:11:50:12 – 00:11:51:06 in high school 00:11:51:06 – 00:11:52:00 and middle school 00:11:52:00 – 00:11:53:01 as a therapist, 00:11:53:01 – 00:11:54:10 and I again, 00:11:54:10 – 00:11:55:16 I was worried, 00:11:55:16 – 00:11:57:00 you know, that it 00:11:57:00 – 00:11:59:20 it might not be cool with the parents and 00:11:59:20 – 00:12:01:06 but it just 00:12:01:06 – 00:12:03:14 I think as you said, the stigma 00:12:03:14 – 00:12:05:12 has changed 00:12:05:12 – 00:12:06:16 You know we are 00:12:06:16 – 00:12:08:01 we’re it’s just different. 00:12:08:01 – 00:12:08:14 And people 00:12:08:14 – 00:12:09:15 are accepting 00:12:09:15 – 00:12:12:13 and appreciating the art form. 00:12:12:13 – 00:12:15:16 And I love to hear that for myself. 00:12:15:16 – 00:12:17:09 I do not have any tattoos. 00:12:17:09 – 00:12:19:02 However, 00:12:19:02 – 00:12:20:15 my grandmother got her 00:12:20:15 – 00:12:22:08 first tattoo in her 60s 00:12:22:08 – 00:12:23:15 because she couldn’t 00:12:23:15 – 00:12:26:15 draw her eyeliner on. 00:12:27:00 – 00:12:28:23 It was because of her arthritis. 00:12:28:23 – 00:12:30:12 So she went to the doctor 00:12:30:12 – 00:12:32:19 and the doctor did a tattoo. Eyeliner. 00:12:32:19 – 00:12:34:21 Oh, that’s so cute. 00:12:34:21 – 00:12:38:05 I know my aunt in her 60s 00:12:38:05 – 00:12:39:11 got her first tattoo 00:12:39:11 – 00:12:41:04 and it was lip liner again 00:12:41:04 – 00:12:42:23 because she didn’t know the time. 00:12:42:23 – 00:12:45:11 So I think I have to uphold that 00:12:45:11 – 00:12:47:15 tradition to where my first tattoo 00:12:47:15 – 00:12:49:17 needs to be on my face. And my 60s. 00:12:49:17 – 00:12:52:07 That’s what I’ve decided. 00:12:52:07 – 00:12:53:16 That’s a big commitment. 00:12:54:22 – 00:12:56:02 Yeah. 00:12:56:02 – 00:12:56:20 You know, 00:12:56:20 – 00:12:57:23 permanent 00:12:57:23 – 00:12:59:20 makeup artists are incredible 00:12:59:20 – 00:13:03:07 to that whole that whole, craft has, has 00:13:03:07 – 00:13:06:15 just changed leaps and bounds as well. 00:13:06:15 – 00:13:08:12 And it’s it’s 00:13:08:12 – 00:13:09:07 how amazing 00:13:09:07 – 00:13:12:07 is it right to be able to have that that. 00:13:12:11 – 00:13:13:18 Yeah. Yeah. 00:13:13:18 – 00:13:14:23 And I think the first 00:13:14:23 – 00:13:16:18 like the first experience 00:13:16:18 – 00:13:17:12 that I had 00:13:17:12 – 00:13:18:17 with my family members 00:13:18:17 – 00:13:20:05 getting anything that resembled 00:13:20:05 – 00:13:22:10 a tattoo was permanent makeup 00:13:22:10 – 00:13:23:17 because I remember 00:13:23:17 – 00:13:26:01 my aunts would go back to the Philippines 00:13:26:01 – 00:13:28:05 and they would get permanent makeup done 00:13:28:05 – 00:13:29:11 because they simply just 00:13:29:11 – 00:13:30:19 didn’t want to do the routine 00:13:30:19 – 00:13:31:18 every single day. 00:13:31:18 – 00:13:32:02 Yeah. 00:13:32:02 – 00:13:32:18 And I was 00:13:32:18 – 00:13:33:13 and I know the ink 00:13:33:13 – 00:13:34:22 pattern was a little bit different 00:13:34:22 – 00:13:36:00 because it would like, 00:13:36:00 – 00:13:37:14 somehow fade to like blue 00:13:37:14 – 00:13:39:04 or purple after a while. 00:13:40:05 – 00:13:41:04 But now, I mean, the 00:13:41:04 – 00:13:42:14 technology has changed 00:13:42:14 – 00:13:43:09 because I was like, 00:13:43:09 – 00:13:45:03 I like, is that a rite of passage 00:13:45:03 – 00:13:46:05 that I have to do, 00:13:46:05 – 00:13:47:07 like one day 00:13:47:07 – 00:13:49:13 when I don’t have any eyebrows, 00:13:49:13 – 00:13:50:10 which is fine, 00:13:50:10 – 00:13:50:22 but I don’t know 00:13:50:22 – 00:13:53:01 if I like the color blue. Yeah. 00:13:53:01 – 00:13:55:05 But luckily, 00:13:55:05 – 00:13:56:17 you know, I’m smart enough to know 00:13:56:17 – 00:13:57:19 now that the technology 00:13:57:19 – 00:13:59:08 has changed to wear, 00:13:59:08 – 00:14:02:03 you know, stay the same color. 00:14:02:03 – 00:14:03:14 But, yeah, 00:14:03:14 – 00:14:04:18 I don’t have to live with myself. 00:14:04:18 – 00:14:07:17 The permanent eye makeup I love. 00:14:07:17 – 00:14:08:22 Yeah, the ink. 00:14:08:22 – 00:14:10:21 Companies have come 00:14:10:21 – 00:14:13:05 so far to everything. 00:14:13:05 – 00:14:13:21 Oh, man. 00:14:13:21 – 00:14:16:23 It compared to when we started, 00:14:17:14 – 00:14:21:06 you know, 25, almost 30 years ago, 00:14:21:19 – 00:14:22:20 getting tattooed, it’s 00:14:22:20 – 00:14:25:08 changed so, so significantly. 00:14:25:08 – 00:14:28:19 And it’s so exciting to see all of the, 00:14:30:10 – 00:14:31:23 Leaps and bounds 00:14:31:23 – 00:14:34:03 It’s it’s become. It’s pretty. 00:14:34:03 – 00:14:35:11 It’s pretty exciting. 00:14:35:11 – 00:14:36:18 Okay, well, as we know, 00:14:36:18 – 00:14:38:15 this is a Disney podcast. 00:14:38:15 – 00:14:41:15 So yeah, the fact that you own a tattoo 00:14:41:16 – 00:14:43:21 shop, what are the Disney tattoos 00:14:43:21 – 00:14:44:20 that you’ve seen? 00:14:44:20 – 00:14:48:13 I do know for us on episode 39, 00:14:48:13 – 00:14:49:18 The Battle of the Pumpkin King, 00:14:49:18 – 00:14:52:05 we had an author named Dan Conner on, 00:14:52:05 – 00:14:54:10 and he wrote a graphic novel, 00:14:54:10 – 00:14:56:06 oh, The Battle for Pumpkin King. 00:14:56:06 – 00:14:56:21 And he said he’s 00:14:56:21 – 00:14:58:04 seen so many Nightmare 00:14:58:04 – 00:15:01:02 Before Christmas tattoos at conventions 00:15:01:02 – 00:15:01:14 And that’s, like, 00:15:01:14 – 00:15:04:06 very popular characters to have. 00:15:04:06 – 00:15:05:02 So cool. 00:15:05:02 – 00:15:06:09 Well, 00:15:06:09 – 00:15:09:09 I mean, just because of the beloved 00:15:09:21 – 00:15:12:11 ness of Disney characters, it’s 00:15:12:11 – 00:15:14:10 it’s always going to be such 00:15:14:10 – 00:15:16:02 a popular thing. 00:15:16:02 – 00:15:16:16 You know, 00:15:16:16 – 00:15:17:09 I have, 00:15:17:09 – 00:15:21:11 the little oyster babies on my arm, 00:15:21:11 – 00:15:22:07 and my whole, 00:15:22:07 – 00:15:25:07 my whole back is, Alice in Wonderland. 00:15:25:10 – 00:15:27:02 Disney Alice 00:15:27:02 – 00:15:28:10 Yeah. 00:15:28:10 – 00:15:30:19 So, I love that. 00:15:30:19 – 00:15:32:13 I love them, too. 00:15:32:13 – 00:15:35:07 I oh, man, I can’t even 00:15:35:07 – 00:15:36:23 I don’t even know where to start with. 00:15:36:23 – 00:15:41:05 I think a lot of people do, quotes, 00:15:41:05 – 00:15:41:21 you know, 00:15:41:21 – 00:15:45:20 things like, like Hakuna matata or, 00:15:45:22 – 00:15:47:17 you know, 00:15:47:17 – 00:15:48:12 doing the, 00:15:48:12 – 00:15:51:12 To infinity and beyond things like that, you know, 00:15:51:12 – 00:15:54:09 but then the characters I, you see 00:15:54:09 – 00:15:55:05 such a huge, 00:15:56:04 – 00:15:58:10 array. 00:15:58:10 – 00:16:00:04 I think Tinkerbell has always 00:16:00:04 – 00:16:03:04 been very, popular. 00:16:03:06 – 00:16:06:09 She’s, you know, just the magical element 00:16:06:09 – 00:16:09:09 and, her feistiness and, 00:16:10:03 – 00:16:12:22 Alice in Wonderland does seem to be 00:16:12:22 – 00:16:14:14 still very popular. 00:16:14:14 – 00:16:17:16 You know, Lilo and Stitch, 00:16:17:17 – 00:16:19:21 I think we’ve seen a lot. 00:16:19:21 – 00:16:24:21 Ohana, just, you know, that 00:16:24:22 – 00:16:26:06 that whole 00:16:26:06 – 00:16:27:19 family, 00:16:27:19 – 00:16:31:03 anything that can tie things together 00:16:31:03 – 00:16:34:03 that you hold dear to yourself. 00:16:34:22 – 00:16:38:09 I see a lot of Disney theme park tattoos. 00:16:39:11 – 00:16:42:14 I recently saw a cool, on Instagram. 00:16:42:14 – 00:16:46:10 I saw a cool, Dole whip, tattoo. 00:16:46:16 – 00:16:48:01 That is so cute. 00:16:48:01 – 00:16:48:22 And, 00:16:48:22 – 00:16:53:22 just like the Mickey Mouse, ice cream bars 00:16:53:22 – 00:16:56:21 of course, the castle is huge. 00:16:56:21 – 00:16:58:10 And, 00:16:58:10 – 00:17:00:07 Oh, man, it’s endless, right? 00:17:00:07 – 00:17:01:12 Because everybody 00:17:01:12 – 00:17:05:03 has their special character or saying 00:17:05:08 – 00:17:06:21 or memory 00:17:06:21 – 00:17:09:05 that they want to keep with them. 00:17:09:05 – 00:17:10:06 And yeah, 00:17:10:06 – 00:17:14:01 I think that element of nostalgia, and, 00:17:14:01 – 00:17:17:14 and also just the, associations 00:17:17:14 – 00:17:20:09 that it can have for people is so, 00:17:20:09 – 00:17:22:15 so special. So yeah. 00:17:23:20 – 00:17:24:15 Yeah, yeah, 00:17:24:15 – 00:17:25:17 I definitely seen 00:17:25:17 – 00:17:27:05 a lot of the food items 00:17:27:05 – 00:17:29:02 as like flash tattoos 00:17:29:02 – 00:17:30:19 because they’re just so easy to do 00:17:30:19 – 00:17:31:21 and they’re very quick. 00:17:31:21 – 00:17:33:14 And it’s just a little trinket 00:17:33:14 – 00:17:35:16 of like a churro or like you say, 00:17:35:16 – 00:17:38:00 a Mickey pops or a Dole whip 00:17:38:00 – 00:17:39:14 or even like a popcorn bucket. 00:17:39:14 – 00:17:40:12 I’ve seen, 00:17:40:12 – 00:17:41:17 but yeah, 00:17:41:17 – 00:17:43:15 I it’s just as like, simple as, 00:17:43:15 – 00:17:45:06 you know, getting an enamel pin. 00:17:45:06 – 00:17:45:21 I feel like 00:17:45:21 – 00:17:48:01 it’s like you collect those things 00:17:48:01 – 00:17:49:23 to show on your body as opposed 00:17:49:23 – 00:17:51:17 to, like, your bag. 00:17:51:17 – 00:17:52:13 You know, it’s something 00:17:52:13 – 00:17:53:17 that you’re probably going to love 00:17:53:17 – 00:17:55:18 forever is tied to a special memory, 00:17:55:18 – 00:17:57:21 which is, you know, I think pretty cool. 00:17:57:21 – 00:17:58:21 Well, 00:17:58:21 – 00:17:59:19 Disney has, like, 00:17:59:19 – 00:18:01:13 Marvel and Star Wars like. 00:18:01:13 – 00:18:02:15 And that franchise. 00:18:02:15 – 00:18:05:18 Oh, more and more of those tattoos. 00:18:05:18 – 00:18:08:06 Lots of, like, Captain America’s shield. 00:18:08:06 – 00:18:11:06 So lots of like Wakanda Forever. 00:18:11:06 – 00:18:13:16 I, I’ve seen a numerous amount of those. 00:18:13:16 – 00:18:15:10 And then every kind of lightsaber. 00:18:15:10 – 00:18:18:18 Imagine light side, dark side rebels. 00:18:18:18 – 00:18:19:13 Yeah. 00:18:19:13 – 00:18:22:08 I wasn’t even thinking of the Star Wars 00:18:22:08 – 00:18:23:12 part of it because, 00:18:23:12 – 00:18:26:12 as you know, that is just 00:18:26:15 – 00:18:28:05 an incredibly huge 00:18:28:05 – 00:18:30:10 genre of tattoos in itself. 00:18:30:10 – 00:18:32:18 There are some tattoo artists who 00:18:32:18 – 00:18:33:19 that’s all they do 00:18:33:19 – 00:18:35:07 because they have such 00:18:35:07 – 00:18:36:08 a demand for it 00:18:36:08 – 00:18:38:20 that that’s all they could keep up, 00:18:38:20 – 00:18:39:18 you know? 00:18:39:18 – 00:18:41:20 And same with Disney. 00:18:41:20 – 00:18:43:21 There are so many tattoo artists 00:18:43:21 – 00:18:47:20 who specialize in Disney themed tattoos, 00:18:47:20 – 00:18:49:05 and they have such huge 00:18:49:05 – 00:18:50:04 waiting lists 00:18:50:04 – 00:18:53:02 that they don’t need to do anything else, 00:18:53:02 – 00:18:54:04 you know? 00:18:54:04 – 00:18:54:22 Oh, 00:18:54:22 – 00:18:58:01 I was thinking to like the glass slipper. 00:18:58:15 – 00:19:00:22 The apple from Snow White 00:19:00:22 – 00:19:03:14 You know, just all those iconic 00:19:03:14 – 00:19:06:00 things that that, you know, 00:19:06:00 – 00:19:07:07 as soon as you look at it. 00:19:07:07 – 00:19:09:16 What it is, Yes. 00:19:09:16 – 00:19:11:17 And same with the food. 00:19:11:17 – 00:19:15:17 Those things are so memorable. 00:19:15:22 – 00:19:16:13 You know, 00:19:16:13 – 00:19:18:23 we we all know exactly what it is 00:19:18:23 – 00:19:20:12 as soon as you see it. 00:19:20:12 – 00:19:22:21 So. Yeah, like you said, like iconic. 00:19:24:06 – 00:19:25:03 Yes. 00:19:25:03 – 00:19:27:02 It. And 00:19:27:02 – 00:19:30:05 like nobody else can do it like Disney. 00:19:30:08 – 00:19:30:19 Right. 00:19:30:19 – 00:19:33:21 So I feel like it’s just it 00:19:34:06 – 00:19:37:12 you see it and you know and it’s also has 00:19:37:18 – 00:19:39:16 a special meaning to the, 00:19:39:16 – 00:19:42:05 the person who’s wearing it. 00:19:42:05 – 00:19:43:00 Yeah. 00:19:43:00 – 00:19:45:01 I’m curious to know, are there 00:19:45:01 – 00:19:47:16 people still a little embarrassed 00:19:47:16 – 00:19:49:14 that they’re getting a Disney tattoo 00:19:49:14 – 00:19:50:09 that you’ve seen? 00:19:50:09 – 00:19:51:19 Because, you know, 00:19:51:19 – 00:19:54:04 there’s talk about Disney adults 00:19:54:04 – 00:19:55:02 and, you know, like, oh, 00:19:55:02 – 00:19:56:03 that’s so childish. 00:19:56:03 – 00:19:57:15 And I know that some 00:19:57:15 – 00:19:58:07 sometimes, I mean, 00:19:58:07 – 00:20:00:03 usually a tattoo is symbolize, 00:20:00:03 – 00:20:00:19 you know, to 00:20:00:19 – 00:20:02:19 to make you appear a certain way, 00:20:02:19 – 00:20:04:20 maybe intimidating or what have you. 00:20:04:20 – 00:20:07:01 But has there people been you know, 00:20:07:01 – 00:20:08:09 I do want to get this tattoo, 00:20:08:09 – 00:20:12:01 but I’m a little embarrassed, you know, 00:20:12:13 – 00:20:13:08 I can’t 00:20:13:08 – 00:20:16:01 I can’t recall anything like that. 00:20:16:01 – 00:20:18:06 I’m sure that that happens. 00:20:18:06 – 00:20:19:20 But I feel like 00:20:19:20 – 00:20:20:22 getting tattooed 00:20:20:22 – 00:20:23:19 is such an empowering thing 00:20:23:19 – 00:20:25:19 that when you decide 00:20:25:19 – 00:20:26:06 that you’re 00:20:26:06 – 00:20:27:19 dedicating this space 00:20:27:19 – 00:20:29:07 on your body to something, 00:20:30:06 – 00:20:31:22 if that’s what you love and 00:20:31:22 – 00:20:32:17 care about, 00:20:32:17 – 00:20:35:17 you’re probably really proud to wear it. 00:20:35:17 – 00:20:36:08 You know, 00:20:36:08 – 00:20:37:09 regardless of how 00:20:37:09 – 00:20:39:08 the rest of the world sees you. 00:20:39:08 – 00:20:42:11 And I think that Disney, 00:20:42:19 – 00:20:45:23 Disney adults, Disney fans like that. 00:20:45:23 – 00:20:48:11 They love it, right? That’s true. 00:20:48:11 – 00:20:48:18 It. 00:20:48:18 – 00:20:51:21 Yeah, but I’m sure that that’s there. 00:20:52:07 – 00:20:54:15 I, I can’t think of an instance 00:20:54:15 – 00:20:56:07 where I have seen that, 00:20:56:07 – 00:20:58:23 but I’m sure that, you know, 00:20:58:23 – 00:21:01:23 people who observe of them might still 00:21:02:17 – 00:21:05:15 say that talking about the empowerment 00:21:05:15 – 00:21:06:04 for you, 00:21:06:04 – 00:21:07:01 what have you noticed 00:21:07:01 – 00:21:08:08 as the benefits 00:21:08:08 – 00:21:09:14 of tattooing, 00:21:09:14 – 00:21:12:08 the benefits of getting a tattoo 00:21:12:08 – 00:21:13:04 on the end? 00:21:13:04 – 00:21:16:08 I feel like it’s such an endless list. 00:21:16:13 – 00:21:19:04 You know, 00:21:19:04 – 00:21:21:01 I think it’s so it can become 00:21:21:01 – 00:21:24:01 so connected to a person’s identity 00:21:24:03 – 00:21:26:05 and what they hold, 00:21:26:05 – 00:21:28:07 important to themselves. 00:21:28:07 – 00:21:29:01 It can 00:21:29:01 – 00:21:32:20 and it can encompass past memories, 00:21:32:22 – 00:21:35:08 things that have happened in your life 00:21:35:08 – 00:21:38:04 as well as dreams for your future. 00:21:38:04 – 00:21:42:06 And, I think, like we talked about 00:21:42:06 – 00:21:44:05 with the nostalgia, 00:21:44:05 – 00:21:45:04 things that 00:21:45:04 – 00:21:47:07 have been important to you 00:21:47:07 – 00:21:51:04 in your childhood that you want to relive 00:21:51:04 – 00:21:55:19 and remember, I think a really big thing 00:21:55:19 – 00:21:56:10 I’ve seen 00:21:56:10 – 00:21:58:05 is that community, 00:21:58:05 – 00:22:00:11 sense of belongingness 00:22:00:11 – 00:22:02:16 that can be so important 00:22:02:16 – 00:22:04:23 to our mental health and well-being. 00:22:04:23 – 00:22:06:02 You know, having 00:22:06:02 – 00:22:08:20 those social identities that, 00:22:08:20 – 00:22:12:01 that, you know, you belong somewhere. 00:22:12:04 – 00:22:15:04 It can be so empowering for somebody. 00:22:15:15 – 00:22:18:15 And is that form of expression 00:22:18:18 – 00:22:20:11 because that as we know 00:22:20:11 – 00:22:23:12 that when you decide to take that on, 00:22:23:18 – 00:22:25:18 to wear it on your body, 00:22:25:18 – 00:22:28:08 you’re giving a bold statement 00:22:28:08 – 00:22:32:02 about, about yourself and, yeah, 00:22:32:04 – 00:22:34:06 what you’re willing to, 00:22:34:06 – 00:22:36:09 portray to the world. 00:22:37:20 – 00:22:39:01 I see 00:22:39:01 – 00:22:39:16 a lot 00:22:39:16 – 00:22:43:05 of my clients do I see wear tattoos, 00:22:43:10 – 00:22:46:17 and we use it so often in the work 00:22:46:17 – 00:22:49:17 just because it can be, 00:22:49:18 – 00:22:51:22 such a form of healing. 00:22:51:22 – 00:22:54:22 If you’re overcoming trauma 00:22:55:00 – 00:22:56:10 and you want to 00:22:56:10 – 00:22:59:01 learn how to take that power back, 00:22:59:01 – 00:23:01:18 it can be just great reminders 00:23:01:18 – 00:23:02:22 to look down 00:23:02:22 – 00:23:03:20 at something 00:23:03:20 – 00:23:09:04 that helps you to stay strong or a, or, 00:23:09:06 – 00:23:12:04 a quote or something that 00:23:12:04 – 00:23:13:16 that it has been 00:23:13:16 – 00:23:15:22 important in your healing. 00:23:15:22 – 00:23:17:02 Yeah. Yeah. 00:23:17:02 – 00:23:19:19 I, I for me, it 00:23:19:19 – 00:23:21:16 it has become a very important 00:23:21:16 – 00:23:23:19 part of my identity. 00:23:23:19 – 00:23:26:15 I think it helped me to become, 00:23:26:15 – 00:23:29:19 to step outside of 00:23:31:02 – 00:23:33:07 barriers that were created for me 00:23:33:07 – 00:23:35:04 as a child and, 00:23:35:04 – 00:23:38:02 and be able to kind of become 00:23:38:02 – 00:23:39:11 my own person. 00:23:39:11 – 00:23:42:08 And as you, as you weave them 00:23:42:08 – 00:23:43:12 all together, 00:23:43:12 – 00:23:45:14 that becomes stronger and stronger. 00:23:45:14 – 00:23:48:02 It did for me. Yeah. 00:23:48:02 – 00:23:51:01 So it it’s, I don’t know, I, 00:23:51:01 – 00:23:52:21 I just for me, it’s 00:23:52:21 – 00:23:55:08 been such an incredible part 00:23:55:08 – 00:23:56:14 of my own journey 00:23:56:14 – 00:23:58:04 and tool to use 00:23:58:04 – 00:23:59:17 with people that I work with. 00:24:01:10 – 00:24:03:01 I think it really gives another meaning 00:24:03:01 – 00:24:05:09 to being comfortable in your skin. Right? 00:24:05:09 – 00:24:05:23 Because I think 00:24:05:23 – 00:24:08:02 once you get past that barrier of, 00:24:08:02 – 00:24:09:09 hey, this is me, 00:24:09:09 – 00:24:10:04 I’m just going to wear it 00:24:10:04 – 00:24:12:14 proudly on my body. 00:24:12:14 – 00:24:13:21 That you don’t have to think about it 00:24:13:21 – 00:24:14:20 consciously anymore. 00:24:14:20 – 00:24:16:07 You’re not so much in your head 00:24:16:07 – 00:24:17:12 and you’re just like, hey, 00:24:17:12 – 00:24:18:14 and this is it. 00:24:18:14 – 00:24:20:18 Just accept me as I am or, 00:24:20:18 – 00:24:22:21 you know, move along. You sort of thing. 00:24:22:21 – 00:24:24:06 It totally. 00:24:24:06 – 00:24:26:02 And and that, you know, 00:24:26:02 – 00:24:27:09 when people have been 00:24:27:09 – 00:24:28:23 through really hard things, 00:24:28:23 – 00:24:31:12 in their lives, sometimes you, 00:24:31:12 – 00:24:33:05 you need that. 00:24:33:05 – 00:24:35:06 You just need 00:24:35:06 – 00:24:37:06 whatever tool that is. 00:24:37:06 – 00:24:37:18 And, 00:24:37:18 – 00:24:40:18 and sometimes tattoos can just be such, 00:24:40:19 – 00:24:43:09 helpful part of that, 00:24:43:09 – 00:24:44:12 I think, to, 00:24:44:12 – 00:24:46:21 to help somebody to make those decisions, 00:24:46:21 – 00:24:49:06 make those commitments and, 00:24:49:06 – 00:24:51:09 and then proudly wear it. 00:24:51:09 – 00:24:51:17 Is it 00:24:51:17 – 00:24:53:02 something that you 00:24:53:02 – 00:24:55:03 hold with you every day? 00:24:55:03 – 00:24:58:03 And that can be such a great reminder? 00:24:58:09 – 00:25:02:05 Yeah, I noticed in my practice, 00:25:02:05 – 00:25:04:06 when we are talking about tattoos, 00:25:04:06 – 00:25:05:20 it often aligns with someone’s 00:25:05:20 – 00:25:07:23 grief experience. Right? With them. 00:25:07:23 – 00:25:08:06 Yeah. 00:25:08:06 – 00:25:11:09 Or a date, or an image. 00:25:11:18 – 00:25:13:15 And the really beautiful thing about 00:25:13:15 – 00:25:15:19 it is not only does it honor that loss, 00:25:15:19 – 00:25:17:10 but it opens the door 00:25:17:10 – 00:25:19:07 to be able to talk about this person. 00:25:19:07 – 00:25:20:04 And I know for 00:25:20:04 – 00:25:20:18 my clients 00:25:20:18 – 00:25:21:21 recovering from grief, 00:25:21:21 – 00:25:24:21 everyone’s afraid to like, make them sad. 00:25:25:02 – 00:25:26:01 Oh, we don’t mention it. 00:25:26:01 – 00:25:27:02 We don’t say anything 00:25:27:02 – 00:25:28:07 because we don’t want to. 00:25:28:07 – 00:25:30:01 We don’t want to bring stuff up. 00:25:30:01 – 00:25:31:08 And they want to talk 00:25:31:08 – 00:25:32:18 about the person they lost. 00:25:32:18 – 00:25:34:06 They want to celebrate them 00:25:34:06 – 00:25:35:22 It doesn’t just bring sadness, it 00:25:35:22 – 00:25:37:18 brings joy and lots of nostalgia, 00:25:37:18 – 00:25:39:09 lots of loving memories. 00:25:39:09 – 00:25:41:18 And with a tattoo with a beautiful image, 00:25:41:18 – 00:25:43:02 someone will ask about it 00:25:43:02 – 00:25:44:08 and it opens up the door 00:25:44:08 – 00:25:45:15 to have the conversation. 00:25:45:15 – 00:25:47:23 And it didn’t start from them 00:25:47:23 – 00:25:49:05 asking out of fear. 00:25:49:05 – 00:25:51:05 Was curiosity right? 00:25:51:05 – 00:25:53:07 That oh, that you nailed it. 00:25:53:07 – 00:25:57:00 That’s that’s so, so powerful, isn’t it? 00:25:57:00 – 00:26:00:00 Because memorial tattoos, 00:26:00:03 – 00:26:02:06 they can mean so much to people 00:26:02:06 – 00:26:04:19 and as you said, opening that door 00:26:04:19 – 00:26:07:20 and being able to have a conversation 00:26:07:20 – 00:26:10:23 starter that, in fact, it’s funny, 00:26:10:23 – 00:26:14:10 is that because I do have a client who, 00:26:14:21 – 00:26:18:03 his father passed away and 00:26:18:11 – 00:26:20:05 was a guitar player 00:26:20:05 – 00:26:23:05 and got a tattoo of a guitar, 00:26:23:05 – 00:26:26:05 with, like, the banner that says Dad 00:26:26:07 – 00:26:28:03 And, 00:26:28:03 – 00:26:31:00 that has happened so many times for them 00:26:31:00 – 00:26:32:08 where you know, 00:26:32:08 – 00:26:34:03 somebody comments on the tattoo, 00:26:34:03 – 00:26:34:21 and then 00:26:34:21 – 00:26:38:10 they get to explain how important 00:26:38:10 – 00:26:39:04 and meaningful 00:26:39:04 – 00:26:42:16 that is without, as you said, making, 00:26:42:16 – 00:26:43:05 you know, 00:26:43:05 – 00:26:45:04 that helps them to open the door 00:26:45:04 – 00:26:46:01 to talk about it 00:26:46:01 – 00:26:47:11 so that they’re 00:26:47:11 – 00:26:49:01 the person on the receiving end 00:26:49:01 – 00:26:50:12 doesn’t feel 00:26:50:12 – 00:26:52:10 bad or wonder about 00:26:52:10 – 00:26:54:22 when it’s appropriate to talk. 00:26:54:22 – 00:26:58:14 And memorial tattoos are so special. 00:26:58:14 – 00:27:01:14 And whether it’s it’s a portrait of a 00:27:02:03 – 00:27:05:22 loved one or a date or name or a pet, 00:27:05:22 – 00:27:10:08 I have a tattoo of a special little kitty 00:27:10:08 – 00:27:13:11 that we lost a few years ago that I see 00:27:13:11 – 00:27:16:11 every day, and I it means so much to me. 00:27:16:18 – 00:27:19:20 And yeah, I, I agree, memorial 00:27:19:20 – 00:27:22:21 tattoos are such a gift, you know, 00:27:23:02 – 00:27:26:07 because it it helps a person to heal 00:27:26:07 – 00:27:29:11 and keep that with them in a positive way 00:27:30:01 – 00:27:31:21 and, and help the world 00:27:31:21 – 00:27:34:14 around them to also feel comfortable. 00:27:34:21 – 00:27:35:18 Yeah, definitely. 00:27:35:18 – 00:27:36:23 And you know, on the note 00:27:36:23 – 00:27:38:06 of telling a story, 00:27:38:06 – 00:27:39:14 whether it’s a story of grief 00:27:39:14 – 00:27:41:00 or a story of love, 00:27:41:00 – 00:27:43:13 we also know that tattoos are a symbol 00:27:43:13 – 00:27:45:15 of cultural expression as well. 00:27:45:15 – 00:27:46:21 So I know that, 00:27:46:21 – 00:27:47:06 you know, 00:27:47:06 – 00:27:49:04 many more people are honing in 00:27:49:04 – 00:27:51:10 on their cultural expression. 00:27:51:10 – 00:27:52:13 I know for myself, 00:27:52:13 – 00:27:54:10 and I know we’re Filipina Americans, 00:27:54:10 – 00:27:56:06 and so many Filipinos 00:27:56:06 – 00:27:58:08 are tapping into that, 00:27:58:08 – 00:28:01:14 sense of, you know, tribe and family 00:28:01:14 – 00:28:03:02 to an ancient place 00:28:03:02 – 00:28:04:07 that we we’ve never 00:28:04:07 – 00:28:06:04 experienced will want to grow, 00:28:06:04 – 00:28:06:21 you know, closer 00:28:06:21 – 00:28:08:16 to where I know 00:28:08:16 – 00:28:10:07 that, you know, for Disney fans, 00:28:10:07 – 00:28:11:09 they want to be connected 00:28:11:09 – 00:28:12:07 to certain cultures 00:28:12:07 – 00:28:14:09 that they might not be connected to. 00:28:14:09 – 00:28:17:21 But to use tattoos is a bridge to 00:28:17:21 – 00:28:19:04 something like that. 00:28:19:04 – 00:28:22:14 So for have you seen like, certain ways 00:28:22:14 – 00:28:24:18 that people have embraced kind of, 00:28:24:18 – 00:28:27:00 you know, that culture in that way? 00:28:27:00 – 00:28:28:18 Oh for sure. I mean, 00:28:30:03 – 00:28:33:08 first, it’s so it’s so special 00:28:33:08 – 00:28:34:00 to be able 00:28:34:00 – 00:28:35:01 to understand 00:28:35:01 – 00:28:37:08 some of the roots of tattooing. 00:28:37:08 – 00:28:39:17 Like the Tā Moko, 00:28:39:17 – 00:28:42:23 with indigenous, people in New Zealand 00:28:43:09 – 00:28:48:16 and, Irezumi is the tattoo in, Japan. 00:28:49:04 – 00:28:50:20 And to be able to 00:28:50:20 – 00:28:53:17 look at some of the origins of that, 00:28:53:17 – 00:28:57:15 because you do see how essential 00:28:57:15 – 00:29:00:21 that is in, in their community, 00:29:01:02 – 00:29:04:15 you know, women who receive the, 00:29:04:15 – 00:29:07:13 the chin tattoos in New Zealand. 00:29:07:13 – 00:29:10:19 A few years ago, there was a, 00:29:11:07 – 00:29:14:20 newscaster there who, proudly 00:29:14:20 – 00:29:19:01 wears hers and, and it was, on the news. 00:29:19:01 – 00:29:23:16 And it was such a amazing step for, 00:29:24:20 – 00:29:27:20 allowing that to be normalized. 00:29:28:17 – 00:29:30:09 And I, 00:29:30:09 – 00:29:34:07 I love to see how all of that comes back 00:29:35:01 – 00:29:36:15 around when people come in 00:29:36:15 – 00:29:37:14 and want something 00:29:37:14 – 00:29:39:20 connected to their cultural 00:29:39:20 – 00:29:40:21 and their heritage. 00:29:40:21 – 00:29:43:21 It’s because those are the the roots. 00:29:43:21 – 00:29:44:10 You know, 00:29:44:10 – 00:29:46:05 tattooing is so rich in 00:29:46:05 – 00:29:48:20 in this historical 00:29:48:20 – 00:29:51:02 form of storytelling and, 00:29:51:02 – 00:29:54:04 and that’s your way to also carry that. 00:29:55:09 – 00:29:58:21 I am so happy that, Disney has, 00:29:59:06 – 00:30:00:18 Moana 00:30:00:18 – 00:30:03:18 we were able to see a tattooed character. 00:30:03:19 – 00:30:06:16 I, I would love to see them 00:30:06:16 – 00:30:09:12 continue this, 00:30:09:12 – 00:30:13:15 maybe to even work with, tattoo 00:30:13:15 – 00:30:14:18 artists, indigenous 00:30:14:18 – 00:30:17:21 tattoo artists to be able to incorporate 00:30:18:23 – 00:30:21:15 true forms of, 00:30:21:15 – 00:30:23:23 into other character development. 00:30:23:23 – 00:30:26:21 That would be so exciting to see. 00:30:26:21 – 00:30:29:01 And, and wouldn’t 00:30:29:01 – 00:30:31:05 it be great to see more tattoo 00:30:31:05 – 00:30:33:23 characters, you know, just in general, 00:30:33:23 – 00:30:36:01 because as we’ve talked about 00:30:36:01 – 00:30:36:22 this is 00:30:36:22 – 00:30:39:18 a very normal part of our culture. 00:30:39:18 – 00:30:42:21 Now, a lot of people wear tattoos. 00:30:42:21 – 00:30:43:21 And I 00:30:43:21 – 00:30:45:19 think, if I’m not mistaken, 00:30:45:19 – 00:30:48:00 we only have one 00:30:48:00 – 00:30:50:20 Disney character with tattoos right now. 00:30:50:20 – 00:30:51:23 We have Maui. 00:30:51:23 – 00:30:52:19 Maui. 00:30:52:19 – 00:30:55:05 Moana doesn’t get it. 00:30:55:05 – 00:30:57:15 Looks like Moana gets hers right. 00:30:57:15 – 00:30:58:16 In the next movie, 00:30:58:16 – 00:31:01:16 we saw a trailer and then Pocahontas. 00:31:02:03 – 00:31:03:10 Oh you’re right. 00:31:03:10 – 00:31:06:16 Oh of course, yeah, but unfortunately, 00:31:07:01 – 00:31:07:22 you know, Pocahontas 00:31:07:22 – 00:31:09:13 is based off of a real person, 00:31:09:13 – 00:31:10:12 and her tattoos 00:31:10:12 – 00:31:11:20 are actually very intricate. 00:31:11:20 – 00:31:12:18 According to, like, 00:31:12:18 – 00:31:14:02 what some of the imagery was. 00:31:14:02 – 00:31:15:05 So what they have, 00:31:15:05 – 00:31:16:10 I think that they show her 00:31:16:10 – 00:31:17:19 having is very, 00:31:17:19 – 00:31:21:03 very basic as the youths say right. 00:31:21:11 – 00:31:22:23 I was the band and then. 00:31:22:23 – 00:31:23:13 Yeah, 00:31:23:13 – 00:31:24:00 if you 00:31:24:00 – 00:31:25:00 if you want to 00:31:25:00 – 00:31:28:02 maybe argue it does you know 00:31:28:02 – 00:31:31:02 Andy writing his name on his toys 00:31:31:02 – 00:31:32:03 is that tattooing 00:31:34:17 – 00:31:35:18 I would 00:31:35:18 – 00:31:36:15 I like to 00:31:36:15 – 00:31:37:22 think it’s 00:31:37:22 – 00:31:40:12 well it’s a form of of marking. 00:31:40:12 – 00:31:41:00 Right. 00:31:41:00 – 00:31:44:19 Which a tattoo is an obviously becomes 00:31:44:19 – 00:31:48:03 so essential to the story when, 00:31:48:14 – 00:31:52:14 when he’s questioning his value 00:31:52:14 – 00:31:53:15 to Andy 00:31:53:15 – 00:31:55:09 when Woody is questioning his value. 00:31:55:09 – 00:31:59:01 And that kind of connects that to 00:31:59:05 – 00:32:02:04 because, sometimes getting tattoo 00:32:02:04 – 00:32:05:15 can help us to establish or identity. 00:32:06:08 – 00:32:08:15 So I would love to think 00:32:08:15 – 00:32:10:02 that they’re going for that. 00:32:10:02 – 00:32:12:10 But what do you guys think? 00:32:12:10 – 00:32:13:00 I mean, 00:32:13:00 – 00:32:16:02 we it’s still a form of marking though. 00:32:16:02 – 00:32:18:13 And, 00:32:18:13 – 00:32:20:15 and, you know, just 00:32:20:15 – 00:32:23:15 the importance of him 00:32:24:05 – 00:32:27:00 or the two characters to each other, 00:32:27:00 – 00:32:28:09 you know, yeah, 00:32:28:09 – 00:32:30:09 it’s funny that you mentioned Andy 00:32:30:09 – 00:32:32:08 questioning his, like, 00:32:32:08 – 00:32:33:21 I guess, allegiance to whoever 00:32:33:21 – 00:32:35:14 it was his owner at the time, 00:32:35:14 – 00:32:37:20 because I was thinking, you know, if he, 00:32:37:20 – 00:32:39:10 you know, had any contemplation 00:32:39:10 – 00:32:41:01 on taking that away, 00:32:41:01 – 00:32:42:15 it was like as if he was breaking up 00:32:42:15 – 00:32:44:03 with Andy. 00:32:44:03 – 00:32:44:15 Like, you know, 00:32:44:15 – 00:32:46:02 when somebody gets a tattoo of, 00:32:46:02 – 00:32:46:20 like, a form or, 00:32:46:20 – 00:32:48:19 you know, like, significant other 00:32:48:19 – 00:32:49:20 and they don’t want to remember 00:32:49:20 – 00:32:50:19 that anymore. 00:32:50:19 – 00:32:51:03 I was like, 00:32:51:03 – 00:32:53:00 is he technically lasering this away? 00:32:53:00 – 00:32:54:00 Like, yeah, 00:32:54:00 – 00:32:54:08 you know, 00:32:54:08 – 00:32:54:20 because he doesn’t 00:32:54:20 – 00:32:55:17 want anything to do with 00:32:55:17 – 00:32:56:22 but you, 00:32:56:22 – 00:32:59:19 you know, only go during that parallel. 00:32:59:19 – 00:33:01:08 Yeah. Yeah. 00:33:01:08 – 00:33:01:17 Yeah. 00:33:01:17 – 00:33:04:05 I would love to see more of that. 00:33:04:05 – 00:33:05:21 I know, I know, yeah. 00:33:05:21 – 00:33:06:05 Go ahead. 00:33:06:05 – 00:33:06:13 Well, 00:33:06:13 – 00:33:07:04 when I think of 00:33:07:04 – 00:33:08:19 representation of tattoos, 00:33:08:19 – 00:33:10:02 aside from those characters, 00:33:10:02 – 00:33:12:03 we have like what Jack Sparrow 00:33:12:03 – 00:33:13:16 and anybody who is a pirate. 00:33:13:16 – 00:33:15:18 Yeah. True. 00:33:15:18 – 00:33:17:11 And that which, 00:33:17:11 – 00:33:19:07 which kind of hearkens back 00:33:19:07 – 00:33:22:04 more to the stigmatized way 00:33:22:04 – 00:33:23:16 of seeing that. Right. 00:33:23:16 – 00:33:27:12 Because but wouldn’t 00:33:27:12 – 00:33:31:01 it be an amazing opportunity to teach 00:33:31:09 – 00:33:34:02 about cultural heritage 00:33:34:02 – 00:33:35:11 and the connection 00:33:35:11 – 00:33:36:21 of, of those characters 00:33:36:21 – 00:33:39:10 and to do their part 00:33:39:10 – 00:33:42:05 with normalizing tattoos? 00:33:42:05 – 00:33:44:21 Because I mean it 00:33:44:21 – 00:33:46:12 I understand needing 00:33:46:12 – 00:33:48:04 to keep the balance for children. 00:33:48:04 – 00:33:50:15 However, children are exposed 00:33:50:15 – 00:33:52:23 to tattoo people all the time. Yes. 00:33:52:23 – 00:33:55:16 And I, you know, growing. 00:33:55:16 – 00:33:57:05 When my kids grew up, 00:33:57:05 – 00:33:59:13 we obviously were tattooed 00:33:59:13 – 00:34:01:07 and we tried to incorporate 00:34:01:07 – 00:34:03:10 lots of different art into the house. 00:34:03:10 – 00:34:05:14 And I really find that 00:34:05:14 – 00:34:07:12 when when you normalize 00:34:07:12 – 00:34:09:14 something, they’re not scared of it 00:34:09:14 – 00:34:11:21 and they don’t think it’s taboo 00:34:11:21 – 00:34:12:14 and, and like, 00:34:12:14 – 00:34:15:18 they don’t want to rebel back to it 00:34:15:18 – 00:34:19:18 as much as when you, repress it 00:34:19:18 – 00:34:21:19 and teach them that it’s scary. 00:34:22:18 – 00:34:24:13 So I would just love to 00:34:24:13 – 00:34:25:01 see them 00:34:25:01 – 00:34:25:22 just, you know, 00:34:25:22 – 00:34:27:16 not know that they think, 00:34:27:16 – 00:34:28:07 yeah, 00:34:28:07 – 00:34:29:09 we have to get 00:34:29:09 – 00:34:31:09 them head tattoos or facial, 00:34:31:09 – 00:34:32:16 but just easy. Cool. 00:34:32:16 – 00:34:34:12 They have a few new characters 00:34:34:12 – 00:34:38:00 that just sported something, you know. 00:34:38:04 – 00:34:38:21 So, you know, 00:34:38:21 – 00:34:40:11 I always thought that, 00:34:40:11 – 00:34:40:19 you know, 00:34:40:19 – 00:34:42:22 we didn’t get tattoos on characters 00:34:42:22 – 00:34:44:03 because I thought it was difficult 00:34:44:03 – 00:34:47:16 for the animators to like, portray 00:34:48:03 – 00:34:49:22 like a really good piece of art 00:34:49:22 – 00:34:52:12 because sometimes it can get so intricate 00:34:52:12 – 00:34:53:23 and you don’t want to, 00:34:53:23 – 00:34:55:15 you know, make that dull 00:34:55:15 – 00:34:56:20 and you don’t want it to be a bad 00:34:56:20 – 00:34:58:15 looking tattoo. 00:34:58:15 – 00:35:00:05 But I mean, when they did Maui, 00:35:00:05 – 00:35:03:02 I think the CGI and also 00:35:03:02 – 00:35:04:19 the animation has gone so far 00:35:04:19 – 00:35:06:08 that maybe there’s a little bit 00:35:06:08 – 00:35:07:18 easier for, you know, digital 00:35:07:18 – 00:35:09:05 animators to do that. 00:35:09:05 – 00:35:11:06 Because when I saw Maui’s 00:35:11:06 – 00:35:12:09 I was like, these are good. 00:35:12:09 – 00:35:14:15 Look, you know, they’re accurate, right? 00:35:14:15 – 00:35:15:10 Portrayed 00:35:15:10 – 00:35:16:17 and they don’t look weird 00:35:16:17 – 00:35:18:14 and they look great on the skin. 00:35:18:14 – 00:35:19:10 But, you know, 00:35:19:10 – 00:35:20:21 I can imagine if that was harder 00:35:20:21 – 00:35:23:09 for like a 2D animation to do that. 00:35:23:09 – 00:35:24:12 So, you know, 00:35:24:12 – 00:35:25:07 I don’t know if you guys 00:35:25:07 – 00:35:26:16 had a thought about that 00:35:26:16 – 00:35:28:19 because he does move 00:35:28:19 – 00:35:31:17 and they flow with the movements 00:35:31:17 – 00:35:32:15 really well. 00:35:32:15 – 00:35:35:05 That’s a that’s a great point. 00:35:35:05 – 00:35:36:08 Yeah. 00:35:36:08 – 00:35:39:08 But that they can do it I know they can. 00:35:39:11 – 00:35:40:10 Yeah, I could do it. 00:35:40:10 – 00:35:41:17 I have a feeling we can 00:35:41:17 – 00:35:42:19 if we believe in you, 00:35:42:19 – 00:35:45:18 get more tattooed individuals in Disney. 00:35:45:18 – 00:35:47:03 It’s going to come from Pixar. 00:35:48:07 – 00:35:50:11 Oh I get it’s for the money. 00:35:50:11 – 00:35:50:22 Right. 00:35:50:22 – 00:35:53:22 So yeah that’s for the money. 00:35:56:12 – 00:35:58:12 I going back to the cultural 00:35:58:12 – 00:35:59:06 element though, 00:35:59:06 – 00:36:00:13 I, I just, 00:36:00:13 – 00:36:03:03 I think that’s such a great opportunity 00:36:03:03 – 00:36:05:16 to really have those accurate, 00:36:05:16 – 00:36:08:19 you know, depictions of something 00:36:08:19 – 00:36:11:19 that can be so important. 00:36:12:03 – 00:36:13:02 And, and I know 00:36:13:02 – 00:36:15:05 we saw the one part of the song 00:36:15:05 – 00:36:17:12 where the one guy was getting his tattoo. 00:36:17:12 – 00:36:20:00 That’s how that’s that’s true. 00:36:20:00 – 00:36:22:19 So so kudos to that. 00:36:22:19 – 00:36:23:21 Yeah. 00:36:23:21 – 00:36:26:02 So I and I would like to think 00:36:26:02 – 00:36:28:04 that as we progress 00:36:28:04 – 00:36:30:18 that that will change to. Right. 00:36:30:18 – 00:36:33:01 Because things that, 00:36:33:01 – 00:36:35:16 that they incorporated years ago 00:36:35:16 – 00:36:37:02 have certainly changed 00:36:37:02 – 00:36:40:02 with women’s roles and 00:36:40:02 – 00:36:42:15 and just progress in general. 00:36:42:15 – 00:36:45:00 So fingers crossed. 00:36:45:00 – 00:36:45:06 Well, 00:36:45:06 – 00:36:46:05 and then speaking 00:36:46:05 – 00:36:47:17 in the cultural component Stef 00:36:47:17 – 00:36:48:23 I think when your husband 00:36:48:23 – 00:36:50:16 had to get one of his tattoos, didn’t 00:36:50:16 – 00:36:51:21 he have to like, answer 00:36:51:21 – 00:36:52:19 this questionnaire 00:36:52:19 – 00:36:54:23 for lineage, for certain imagery 00:36:54:23 – 00:36:56:17 and things that could be used 00:36:56:17 – 00:36:58:02 that were like that 00:36:58:02 – 00:36:59:08 historically represents 00:36:59:08 – 00:37:00:16 a certain tribe of people? 00:37:01:15 – 00:37:02:00 Yeah. 00:37:02:00 – 00:37:03:06 So there’s a place here 00:37:03:06 – 00:37:04:01 in Orange County, 00:37:04:01 – 00:37:05:13 actually, that specializes 00:37:05:13 – 00:37:07:07 in tribal Filipino tattoos. 00:37:07:07 – 00:37:08:09 Oh, okay. 00:37:08:09 – 00:37:10:04 So it was like a lengthy, 00:37:10:04 – 00:37:13:08 like, multi-month process where we had to 00:37:13:22 – 00:37:15:01 we had to like, 00:37:15:01 – 00:37:15:21 kind of dig deep 00:37:15:21 – 00:37:17:00 and see what his grandmother 00:37:17:00 – 00:37:17:23 did for living, 00:37:17:23 – 00:37:18:21 what his grandfather 00:37:18:21 – 00:37:21:05 did on both sides of his family, kind of, 00:37:21:05 – 00:37:22:18 you know, like what their, 00:37:22:18 – 00:37:25:02 what their role was in the family 00:37:25:02 – 00:37:25:09 and like, 00:37:25:09 – 00:37:27:05 what industry that they worked in. 00:37:27:05 – 00:37:29:21 And they work that into his entire sleeve 00:37:29:21 – 00:37:30:18 and his sleeve 00:37:30:18 – 00:37:33:15 basically tells the story of his family, 00:37:33:15 – 00:37:34:21 what he does for a living. 00:37:34:21 – 00:37:36:01 He’s in communication. 00:37:36:01 – 00:37:38:05 So he had, like little lightning bolts 00:37:38:05 – 00:37:39:06 that like, symbolize, 00:37:39:06 – 00:37:39:19 you know, 00:37:39:19 – 00:37:41:20 the transfer of like, information 00:37:41:20 – 00:37:42:15 and things like that. 00:37:42:15 – 00:37:44:20 So yeah, it was it was really great. 00:37:44:20 – 00:37:45:14 And it helped us 00:37:45:14 – 00:37:47:02 learn more about his lineage, 00:37:47:02 – 00:37:48:11 which we wouldn’t have known 00:37:48:11 – 00:37:50:19 if he didn’t decide to do that. 00:37:50:19 – 00:37:51:05 Wow. 00:37:51:05 – 00:37:52:09 So is this 00:37:52:09 – 00:37:55:07 are these things that the tattoo 00:37:55:07 – 00:37:55:20 you artist 00:37:55:20 – 00:38:00:02 or the shop did research on to wow. 00:38:00:08 – 00:38:01:03 That is it is. 00:38:02:07 – 00:38:03:10 And then the next part of it 00:38:03:10 – 00:38:05:06 is the actual work, the 00:38:05:06 – 00:38:07:20 oh my gosh, that’s amazing process. 00:38:07:20 – 00:38:10:15 What it’s like a genealogy project 00:38:10:15 – 00:38:12:06 that comes to life on skin. 00:38:12:06 – 00:38:15:15 And that’s really amazing and so special. 00:38:15:15 – 00:38:17:19 That just makes it so special. 00:38:17:19 – 00:38:18:15 You know, 00:38:18:15 – 00:38:19:08 any time 00:38:19:08 – 00:38:20:09 you have an artist 00:38:20:09 – 00:38:24:04 that goes to those lengths and really cares 00:38:24:04 – 00:38:26:12 about the final product, 00:38:26:12 – 00:38:28:12 that’s that’s magic. 00:38:28:12 – 00:38:31:14 You know, that’s that’s so amazing. 00:38:32:02 – 00:38:34:13 And he must be so proud to wear it 00:38:34:13 – 00:38:36:08 and to tell the story. Right. 00:38:36:08 – 00:38:38:09 Because the story 00:38:38:09 – 00:38:39:19 he has to like kind of figure out 00:38:39:19 – 00:38:41:00 how he’s going to say it 00:38:41:00 – 00:38:42:21 because there’s so much to talk about. 00:38:42:21 – 00:38:44:05 But sometimes somebody asks him, 00:38:44:05 – 00:38:45:21 like in line at Disneyland. 00:38:45:21 – 00:38:47:18 So he has like two seconds to like 00:38:47:18 – 00:38:48:08 this background. 00:38:49:11 – 00:38:51:03 My mom said, okay, bye. 00:38:51:03 – 00:38:51:15 See you later. 00:38:51:15 – 00:38:52:03 Thank you. 00:38:52:03 – 00:38:53:17 Oh, that’s so cute. 00:38:53:17 – 00:38:55:11 Or hours in line. 00:38:55:11 – 00:38:57:03 I mean, you get maybe. 00:38:57:03 – 00:38:58:13 No, I’m just kidding. What? 00:38:58:13 – 00:38:59:16 When you don’t have Genie+ 00:38:59:16 – 00:39:02:02 When we don’t have lightning lane, Right. 00:39:02:02 – 00:39:02:21 Nope. 00:39:02:21 – 00:39:06:20 So we have been in Oregon since 2015, 00:39:07:07 – 00:39:09:09 but we used to be annual passholders, 00:39:09:09 – 00:39:12:09 so we lived in, we I was telling Ariel that, 00:39:12:12 – 00:39:15:05 I lived in Riverside most of my life 00:39:15:05 – 00:39:16:05 growing up. 00:39:16:05 – 00:39:17:16 So I used to go all the time. 00:39:17:16 – 00:39:18:05 I mean, I know 00:39:18:05 – 00:39:21:05 things have changed so much, so I don’t 00:39:21:05 – 00:39:22:17 I don’t fully understand 00:39:22:17 – 00:39:25:22 all of the new rules, with lines and all. 00:39:25:22 – 00:39:27:05 There’s a lot to know. 00:39:27:05 – 00:39:28:11 And you know what? 00:39:28:11 – 00:39:29:21 We’ll save that for another podcast. 00:39:29:21 – 00:39:31:09 Okay, there we go. 00:39:33:06 – 00:39:33:16 That’s 00:39:33:16 – 00:39:34:11 really, really 00:39:34:11 – 00:39:35:16 cool about your husband’s 00:39:35:16 – 00:39:36:18 tattoo, though, 00:39:36:18 – 00:39:39:13 I, I think it’s amazing 00:39:39:13 – 00:39:42:07 that there is a shop that can 00:39:42:07 – 00:39:43:14 isn’t that cool, that 00:39:43:14 – 00:39:47:10 there can be a shop that is so focused on 00:39:48:05 – 00:39:52:06 such a particular community, so amazing. 00:39:52:06 – 00:39:53:03 It’s really. 00:39:53:03 – 00:39:53:12 Yeah. 00:39:53:12 – 00:39:55:13 And knowing that there, you know, 00:39:55:13 – 00:39:57:23 we do have like a cultural history 00:39:57:23 – 00:39:59:08 of that being, you know, 00:39:59:08 – 00:40:00:09 you know, attached to us. 00:40:00:09 – 00:40:02:09 I think it’s great that there’s people 00:40:02:09 – 00:40:04:04 who do their research and continue 00:40:04:04 – 00:40:05:20 on that tradition for, 00:40:05:20 – 00:40:06:14 you know, those, 00:40:06:14 – 00:40:08:06 you know, us in the diaspora 00:40:08:06 – 00:40:11:05 that don’t have access to it because, 00:40:11:05 – 00:40:11:13 all right, 00:40:11:13 – 00:40:12:23 you know, our country so far away. 00:40:12:23 – 00:40:14:15 So it was really, really great. 00:40:14:15 – 00:40:16:01 So cool. 00:40:16:01 – 00:40:19:01 And yeah, I love that. 00:40:19:02 – 00:40:21:08 And you know, that really sets artists 00:40:21:08 – 00:40:21:23 apart too, 00:40:21:23 – 00:40:23:19 because there are a lot of 00:40:23:19 – 00:40:25:14 tattoo artists in the world nowadays. 00:40:25:14 – 00:40:26:04 And when you 00:40:26:04 – 00:40:27:09 when you have something 00:40:27:09 – 00:40:31:04 so niche like that but and special it’s 00:40:31:12 – 00:40:33:08 it’s brilliant honestly. 00:40:33:08 – 00:40:35:03 So super cool. 00:40:35:03 – 00:40:36:01 Yeah. 00:40:36:01 – 00:40:36:15 I’m, I’m 00:40:36:15 – 00:40:39:00 curious do with the tattoo artists 00:40:39:00 – 00:40:39:21 that you’ve worked with 00:40:39:21 – 00:40:42:23 or talked to when you have already iconic 00:40:42:23 – 00:40:45:23 imagery like Disney imagery does that 00:40:46:22 – 00:40:47:09 bring more 00:40:47:09 – 00:40:50:19 challenge to how they create the art, 00:40:50:19 – 00:40:51:19 or does it 00:40:51:19 – 00:40:52:18 like having that 00:40:52:18 – 00:40:54:12 that already iconic imagery 00:40:54:12 – 00:40:55:12 make it easier? 00:40:55:12 – 00:40:57:03 Like what is that like for them 00:40:57:03 – 00:40:59:19 creative wise? 00:40:59:19 – 00:41:02:01 I, I think it’s it’s 00:41:02:01 – 00:41:04:15 probably changed a lot over the years. 00:41:04:15 – 00:41:06:03 I it’s funny, 00:41:06:03 – 00:41:06:20 I remember 00:41:06:20 – 00:41:10:06 when, I first started getting tattooed 00:41:10:20 – 00:41:13:10 it was still a little risky 00:41:13:10 – 00:41:16:15 to actually get an accurate, 00:41:16:16 – 00:41:18:15 replica 00:41:18:15 – 00:41:20:23 of a tattoo of a Disney character. 00:41:20:23 – 00:41:22:22 I, I know this is wild, 00:41:22:22 – 00:41:25:00 but there were stories back 00:41:25:00 – 00:41:27:13 then where they would, sue people, 00:41:27:13 – 00:41:29:14 you know, for having 00:41:29:14 – 00:41:32:15 or having Disney images on that 00:41:32:15 – 00:41:35:15 that weren’t changed. 00:41:35:17 – 00:41:36:22 Which is 00:41:36:22 – 00:41:38:13 I mean, this is a long time ago, but, 00:41:38:13 – 00:41:39:08 yeah, obviously 00:41:39:08 – 00:41:42:08 things have changed drastically. 00:41:42:08 – 00:41:44:19 So I think in those times, 00:41:44:19 – 00:41:48:10 artists had to make some alterations 00:41:48:10 – 00:41:48:18 to it. 00:41:48:18 – 00:41:50:06 So, you know, 00:41:50:06 – 00:41:52:04 I mean, you can still hide it, 00:41:52:04 – 00:41:56:03 I’m sure, but but just to be in alignment 00:41:56:06 – 00:41:57:16 with their 00:41:57:16 – 00:42:00:00 what they were requiring at the time. 00:42:00:00 – 00:42:03:01 But, I think now 00:42:03:13 – 00:42:07:12 it’s probably such a benefit to have 00:42:08:03 – 00:42:10:22 that, 00:42:10:22 – 00:42:12:20 you know, that core imagery 00:42:12:20 – 00:42:15:21 because it, it it’s, you know, it’s so 00:42:15:21 – 00:42:19:07 well done and so, memorable, 00:42:19:17 – 00:42:21:00 and then adding 00:42:21:00 – 00:42:22:18 those little touches to it 00:42:22:18 – 00:42:26:05 and your style, because everybody’s 00:42:26:05 – 00:42:29:23 got a little flair that makes their stuff 00:42:30:18 – 00:42:34:15 pop, you know, and whether it’s like, 00:42:34:15 – 00:42:36:11 watercolor version 00:42:36:11 – 00:42:39:09 or maybe just black and gray, 00:42:39:09 – 00:42:40:23 you know, taking a taking 00:42:40:23 – 00:42:42:13 a very colorful character, 00:42:42:13 – 00:42:43:20 but just doing know, cool 00:42:43:20 – 00:42:47:02 black and gray imagery or adding 00:42:47:07 – 00:42:48:16 something behind it 00:42:48:16 – 00:42:50:18 that means something to the person. 00:42:52:03 – 00:42:53:22 I’m sure it. 00:42:53:22 – 00:42:54:08 Mr.. 00:42:54:08 – 00:42:54:20 It’s probably 00:42:54:20 – 00:42:57:21 a different answer for tattoo artist. 00:42:57:21 – 00:43:00:21 Right. There’s just 00:43:01:09 – 00:43:03:09 sometimes just taking an image 00:43:03:09 – 00:43:07:02 and making a stencil of it and pop, 00:43:07:08 – 00:43:08:09 you know, you’re done. 00:43:08:09 – 00:43:11:05 That’s that’s super easy. 00:43:11:05 – 00:43:12:12 And and so 00:43:12:12 – 00:43:14:16 but putting all that extra into 00:43:14:16 – 00:43:17:16 it is makes it special and. 00:43:18:01 – 00:43:18:15 Yeah. 00:43:18:15 – 00:43:20:12 Yeah, that’s a good question though 00:43:20:12 – 00:43:22:20 I know I want to ask all these artists 00:43:22:20 – 00:43:25:15 what they think. Yeah. 00:43:25:15 – 00:43:28:00 Well and I know you had a presentation 00:43:28:00 – 00:43:31:07 at tag’s 2022 where you highlighted 00:43:31:07 – 00:43:32:13 a lot of the benefits, 00:43:32:13 – 00:43:34:07 the therapeutic benefits of tattooing. 00:43:34:07 – 00:43:36:21 And we have discussed some things, 00:43:36:21 – 00:43:38:12 but I’m curious for you, 00:43:38:12 – 00:43:40:02 for newer clinicians, 00:43:40:02 – 00:43:41:18 how can they bring up the subject 00:43:41:18 – 00:43:42:22 of someone’s tattoos? 00:43:42:22 – 00:43:43:17 You just straight up 00:43:43:17 – 00:43:44:16 ask them, like, what? 00:43:44:16 – 00:43:46:23 What have you noticed about the waves 00:43:46:23 – 00:43:48:21 and what have you noticed? 00:43:48:21 – 00:43:50:23 Has been therapeutic conversations 00:43:50:23 – 00:43:52:07 about it. 00:43:52:07 – 00:43:52:22 Well, 00:43:52:22 – 00:43:56:09 I first, as I mentioned earlier, I, 00:43:56:17 – 00:44:00:20 I always embrace that when I see people 00:44:01:05 – 00:44:02:01 who are tattoo 00:44:02:01 – 00:44:03:13 because I know 00:44:03:13 – 00:44:04:17 from my own experience 00:44:04:17 – 00:44:07:01 that you have so many stories 00:44:07:01 – 00:44:08:06 to tell through it. 00:44:08:06 – 00:44:09:23 So if somebody know 00:44:09:23 – 00:44:11:07 this is and 00:44:11:07 – 00:44:14:00 and wants to talk about it, it’s, 00:44:14:00 – 00:44:14:19 you know, it’s 00:44:14:19 – 00:44:17:03 it’s usually this open door 00:44:17:03 – 00:44:18:14 that lets you. 00:44:18:14 – 00:44:21:05 Yeah, open up all kinds of things. 00:44:21:05 – 00:44:24:14 I think the main thing that I have found 00:44:24:14 – 00:44:25:05 has been so 00:44:25:05 – 00:44:28:05 valuable is through narrative therapy, 00:44:28:06 – 00:44:32:09 because tattoos are your storybook, 00:44:32:14 – 00:44:32:23 you know, 00:44:32:23 – 00:44:35:19 they are your way of telling your journey 00:44:35:19 – 00:44:37:03 and your story. 00:44:37:03 – 00:44:38:01 And a lot of times 00:44:38:01 – 00:44:40:09 when people are, do it 00:44:40:09 – 00:44:42:04 when we’re doing trauma work, 00:44:42:04 – 00:44:45:17 the whole goal is to rewrite that story 00:44:45:17 – 00:44:48:22 in a powerful, new, positive way. 00:44:49:12 – 00:44:52:18 And tattoos can be that stepping stone 00:44:52:20 – 00:44:53:14 for that. 00:44:55:07 – 00:44:57:16 It’s, I 00:44:57:16 – 00:45:00:18 had a client a while ago who was in a 00:45:01:07 – 00:45:03:19 really, bad car accident 00:45:03:19 – 00:45:06:14 and had a few tattoos, but, 00:45:06:14 – 00:45:10:09 through the work, she decided 00:45:10:09 – 00:45:13:09 to get a Phoenix tattoo, 00:45:13:11 – 00:45:16:11 because it represents rebirth. 00:45:16:16 – 00:45:18:15 And it was strength. 00:45:18:15 – 00:45:20:02 And, 00:45:20:02 – 00:45:23:01 it was such the incredible experience 00:45:23:01 – 00:45:23:12 for her 00:45:23:12 – 00:45:27:00 to even just making the appointment 00:45:27:00 – 00:45:28:21 because this was, 00:45:28:21 – 00:45:29:12 this started 00:45:29:12 – 00:45:30:18 this whole new story 00:45:30:18 – 00:45:31:05 that now 00:45:31:05 – 00:45:34:08 she gets to tell as she’s healing 00:45:34:08 – 00:45:35:16 both physically 00:45:35:16 – 00:45:37:20 and mentally and emotionally. 00:45:37:20 – 00:45:41:10 And each, tattoo session 00:45:41:21 – 00:45:45:08 just brought so much for her as she was 00:45:45:08 – 00:45:46:15 coming out of something 00:45:46:15 – 00:45:49:15 very traumatic into this beautiful 00:45:50:09 – 00:45:51:01 phoenix, 00:45:51:01 – 00:45:54:08 you know, that actually represents that, 00:45:55:01 – 00:45:58:11 another way of seeing it work 00:45:58:21 – 00:46:02:09 very powerfully is, and just 00:46:02:20 – 00:46:03:20 trigger warning 00:46:03:20 – 00:46:06:03 in case anybody, struggles 00:46:06:03 – 00:46:07:01 with self-harm, 00:46:07:01 – 00:46:11:17 but, through self-harm scars, 00:46:11:20 – 00:46:12:21 this 00:46:12:21 – 00:46:15:04 this has become a really beautiful thing 00:46:15:04 – 00:46:16:16 that a lot of tattoo artists do 00:46:16:16 – 00:46:21:00 now to tattoo over and kind of with 00:46:21:05 – 00:46:22:15 the, the scars. 00:46:23:21 – 00:46:24:21 It’s so 00:46:24:21 – 00:46:25:18 powerful and 00:46:25:18 – 00:46:26:10 healing 00:46:26:10 – 00:46:29:10 to be able to take something so painful 00:46:29:16 – 00:46:33:16 that you are want to grow and 00:46:33:16 – 00:46:35:14 and change from 00:46:35:14 – 00:46:38:12 and cover it up with something beautiful 00:46:38:12 – 00:46:40:12 and where you used to look down 00:46:40:12 – 00:46:42:15 and see something, 00:46:42:15 – 00:46:44:15 you know, very hard 00:46:44:15 – 00:46:46:04 And, now 00:46:46:04 – 00:46:46:18 you have 00:46:46:18 – 00:46:49:09 this whole new way of seeing that. 00:46:49:09 – 00:46:51:21 So that’s 00:46:51:21 – 00:46:54:01 that is a really incredible, 00:46:54:01 – 00:46:57:10 direction that a lot of artists do now. 00:46:58:07 – 00:47:00:23 Also, mastectomy 00:47:00:23 – 00:47:04:19 tattoo is can be incredible 00:47:04:20 – 00:47:07:03 new journey into again 00:47:07:03 – 00:47:08:21 something that we have been difficult 00:47:08:21 – 00:47:10:13 to get through you 00:47:10:13 – 00:47:11:14 Oh my gosh, 00:47:11:14 – 00:47:13:06 some of the mastectomy 00:47:13:06 – 00:47:14:22 artists are so incredible. 00:47:14:22 – 00:47:17:08 Not only with 3D nipple tattoos, 00:47:17:08 – 00:47:20:09 but also, just adorning it 00:47:20:09 – 00:47:23:11 with flowers or octopus 00:47:23:11 – 00:47:24:15 or whatever, 00:47:24:15 – 00:47:25:19 whatever it is 00:47:25:19 – 00:47:27:05 that you guys came up with, 00:47:27:05 – 00:47:30:04 and now you’ve transformed something 00:47:30:04 – 00:47:33:16 into this very proud part of you. 00:47:34:06 – 00:47:35:09 Yeah. 00:47:35:09 – 00:47:38:12 Same same for, the top surgery. 00:47:39:00 – 00:47:40:09 People 00:47:40:09 – 00:47:41:18 that go through top surgery 00:47:41:18 – 00:47:45:07 that want to have a 3D nipple tattooed, 00:47:45:14 – 00:47:48:04 I, I’m sure you guys have seen the work. 00:47:48:04 – 00:47:50:19 It’s absolutely mind blowing. 00:47:50:19 – 00:47:53:16 It looks so, so real. 00:47:53:16 – 00:47:55:03 And. And how, 00:47:57:05 – 00:47:59:01 how wonderful. 00:47:59:01 – 00:47:59:10 Right. 00:47:59:10 – 00:48:00:03 For somebody 00:48:00:03 – 00:48:03:06 to be able to have the opportunity 00:48:03:06 – 00:48:07:02 to feel whole and and as themself. 00:48:07:12 – 00:48:09:16 So I know, something else 00:48:09:16 – 00:48:12:02 I’ve seen with tattoos in my practice, 00:48:12:02 – 00:48:13:22 as the audience might remember, 00:48:13:22 – 00:48:14:19 I specialize 00:48:14:19 – 00:48:15:18 with survivors 00:48:15:18 – 00:48:18:18 of child sexual abuse or sexual abuse 00:48:18:22 – 00:48:21:05 And so 00:48:21:05 – 00:48:22:15 getting any tattoo 00:48:22:15 – 00:48:25:04 feels like a reclaim of the body. 00:48:25:04 – 00:48:27:16 That right is like, 00:48:27:16 – 00:48:29:16 I can mark a moment of, 00:48:29:16 – 00:48:31:21 this moving forward is me, 00:48:31:21 – 00:48:33:23 like in my post-traumatic growth or, 00:48:33:23 – 00:48:35:05 exactly 00:48:35:05 – 00:48:38:03 like owning all parts of myself again. 00:48:38:03 – 00:48:38:10 Yeah. 00:48:38:10 – 00:48:41:18 And it could be as as simple as, 00:48:41:18 – 00:48:43:02 you know, some dots on the hand 00:48:43:02 – 00:48:44:19 or a little flower or on the hand right. 00:48:44:19 – 00:48:46:13 It can be very immaculate 00:48:46:13 – 00:48:49:22 It, and I know that, 00:48:50:14 – 00:48:52:02 that was the only way 00:48:52:02 – 00:48:53:19 that healing moving forward 00:48:53:19 – 00:48:55:09 was going to happen was 00:48:55:09 – 00:48:56:19 if my client could feel like 00:48:56:19 – 00:48:59:00 they owned their body again. 00:48:59:00 – 00:49:00:08 Right? 00:49:00:08 – 00:49:01:02 Yes. 00:49:01:02 – 00:49:03:20 It’s it’s so powerful. 00:49:03:20 – 00:49:05:10 It really is. It’s like 00:49:06:13 – 00:49:09:18 deciding to make that step 00:49:10:05 – 00:49:13:07 and using your own body as that, 00:49:13:20 – 00:49:17:16 that catalyst to be able to reclaim that. 00:49:17:16 – 00:49:19:12 Oh my gosh, it’s huge. 00:49:19:12 – 00:49:22:05 And I also always love 00:49:22:05 – 00:49:23:01 that you get to 00:49:23:01 – 00:49:25:07 where you get to hold it with you always. 00:49:25:07 – 00:49:26:06 You know, 00:49:26:06 – 00:49:29:07 because it’s not even like a moment 00:49:29:07 – 00:49:30:06 or a day 00:49:30:06 – 00:49:32:14 where you’re having this ceremony 00:49:32:14 – 00:49:33:21 or special thing. 00:49:33:21 – 00:49:36:21 It’s like something that you get to turn to 00:49:37:03 – 00:49:39:11 when you need to do to reminds you 00:49:39:11 – 00:49:40:16 that you did that. 00:49:40:16 – 00:49:42:09 You took back that power. 00:49:42:09 – 00:49:46:21 So I, I see it so often and I, I just 00:49:46:21 – 00:49:47:16 I love that 00:49:47:16 – 00:49:50:03 that’s something that is available 00:49:50:03 – 00:49:53:03 in in trauma work 00:49:53:03 – 00:49:55:21 and rewriting your story 00:49:55:21 – 00:49:57:08 with narrative therapy. 00:49:57:08 – 00:49:59:14 So yeah. Thank you. 00:49:59:14 – 00:50:00:02 You guys did 00:50:00:02 – 00:50:03:04 ask the question about, educational, 00:50:03:09 – 00:50:04:14 tools 00:50:04:14 – 00:50:07:00 that that teachers might be able to. 00:50:07:00 – 00:50:10:00 And I know we, we talked a lot about how 00:50:10:00 – 00:50:13:03 that is kind of a part of school now, 00:50:13:03 – 00:50:14:21 which makes me so happy. 00:50:14:21 – 00:50:16:21 But I did make a couple little notes 00:50:16:21 – 00:50:20:17 about, I thought, integrating tattoos 00:50:20:17 – 00:50:23:22 into curriculum in the cultural sense, 00:50:24:07 – 00:50:25:23 you know, is amazing 00:50:25:23 – 00:50:29:18 way to teach historical and 00:50:29:18 – 00:50:31:11 cultural significance 00:50:31:11 – 00:50:36:01 Introducing some of, like the 00:50:36:04 – 00:50:39:04 the Māori Tā moko or 00:50:39:06 – 00:50:42:00 Japanese Irezumi things 00:50:42:00 – 00:50:44:17 maybe having a guest speaker, 00:50:44:17 – 00:50:47:17 a, teacher could do either 00:50:47:17 – 00:50:48:21 a tattoo artist 00:50:48:21 – 00:50:51:06 or somebody who was very, 00:50:51:06 – 00:50:53:13 knowledgeable about tattoo history. 00:50:53:13 – 00:50:55:18 I think kids would love that. 00:50:55:18 – 00:50:57:11 And and maybe things 00:50:57:11 – 00:50:59:14 that they might be scared about asking. 00:50:59:14 – 00:51:02:04 They could feel comfortable with. 00:51:02:04 – 00:51:03:21 Yeah. 00:51:03:21 – 00:51:06:11 Obviously art in art class. 00:51:06:11 – 00:51:08:10 Just asking kids 00:51:08:10 – 00:51:09:14 to design their own 00:51:09:14 – 00:51:11:07 tattoo and, like, what? 00:51:11:07 – 00:51:14:03 Personal meaning that you have to them. 00:51:14:03 – 00:51:18:06 And just being able to explore symbolism 00:51:18:06 – 00:51:20:06 and the design elements 00:51:20:06 – 00:51:21:16 and all the cool things 00:51:21:16 – 00:51:23:22 you could do with art, of course. 00:51:23:22 – 00:51:26:16 And then had, Oh, I also see, 00:51:26:16 – 00:51:28:11 with literature, 00:51:28:11 – 00:51:29:20 creative writing 00:51:29:20 – 00:51:32:12 lady using tattoos as a motif 00:51:32:12 – 00:51:36:10 or a symbol for a creative writing. 00:51:36:10 – 00:51:40:07 Exercise to, like, analyze 00:51:40:15 – 00:51:43:13 characters or themes or plots or, 00:51:43:13 – 00:51:44:21 you know, just, 00:51:44:21 – 00:51:45:18 I guess 00:51:45:18 – 00:51:47:12 another big part of that to me 00:51:47:12 – 00:51:49:06 is normalizing it. 00:51:49:06 – 00:51:52:17 So it’s not something that feels so 00:51:53:09 – 00:51:54:06 taboo. 00:51:54:06 – 00:51:55:11 You know, I just 00:51:55:11 – 00:51:56:10 I really like that 00:51:56:10 – 00:51:58:03 because I did see online 00:51:58:03 – 00:52:00:06 somebody do a book writing assignment 00:52:00:06 – 00:52:00:19 where instead of 00:52:00:19 – 00:52:02:22 just writing like a book report, 00:52:02:22 – 00:52:05:05 they had to pick, like is 00:52:05:05 – 00:52:07:12 are they called jibbitz on the Crocs 00:52:07:12 – 00:52:10:02 widget? Yes. Yeah. 00:52:10:02 – 00:52:13:00 They had to make a Croc for the character 00:52:13:00 – 00:52:15:00 and put jibbitz on there. 00:52:15:00 – 00:52:17:19 So it’s like the character in your book. 00:52:17:19 – 00:52:19:15 Like what tattoos would they have? 00:52:19:15 – 00:52:20:04 Like, 00:52:20:04 – 00:52:22:02 would Ponyboy from The Outsiders 00:52:22:02 – 00:52:23:17 be wearing? 00:52:23:17 – 00:52:24:13 Exactly. 00:52:24:13 – 00:52:26:19 Like, there’s endless things, right, 00:52:26:19 – 00:52:28:10 that you could do. 00:52:28:10 – 00:52:30:10 I think that’s so cool. 00:52:30:10 – 00:52:30:20 That’s 00:52:30:20 – 00:52:34:14 that’s a great little, little assignment 00:52:34:20 – 00:52:36:01 that teacher do that would 00:52:37:13 – 00:52:40:01 Do you have any like, advice for anybody 00:52:40:01 – 00:52:41:01 who’s an aspiring 00:52:41:01 – 00:52:43:04 tattoo artist that you know, 00:52:43:04 – 00:52:44:09 wants to hone in on something 00:52:44:09 – 00:52:46:12 because there’s so many out there, but, 00:52:46:12 – 00:52:47:00 you know, 00:52:47:00 – 00:52:48:10 is there any advice that you would give 00:52:48:10 – 00:52:49:00 for somebody 00:52:49:00 – 00:52:52:00 to just believe in what they can do? 00:52:52:16 – 00:52:53:01 Yeah. 00:52:53:01 – 00:52:53:19 Well, 00:52:53:19 – 00:52:56:14 the best thing any aspiring tattoo 00:52:56:14 – 00:52:58:15 artist can do is to draw. 00:52:58:15 – 00:53:00:23 Draw a draw 00:53:00:23 – 00:53:03:11 Just like live. 00:53:03:11 – 00:53:05:07 Breathe. Practicing. 00:53:05:07 – 00:53:06:00 You know, 00:53:06:00 – 00:53:08:17 because it’s muscle memory, right? 00:53:08:17 – 00:53:10:11 So if you’ve done it 00:53:10:11 – 00:53:13:11 over and over on your iPad or your paper, 00:53:13:12 – 00:53:15:18 obviously going into to do that, 00:53:15:18 – 00:53:18:16 On skin is going to feel normal. 00:53:18:16 – 00:53:21:02 Interestingly enough, 00:53:21:02 – 00:53:23:16 because I lived in California and Oregon, 00:53:23:16 – 00:53:26:14 in Oregon, we’re one of the few states 00:53:26:14 – 00:53:29:23 that required tattoo school 00:53:29:23 – 00:53:33:20 a person has to go to tattoo school and, 00:53:33:20 – 00:53:35:05 finish a program 00:53:35:05 – 00:53:38:01 and take a test to be licensed. 00:53:38:01 – 00:53:40:22 So it’s a little bit different experience 00:53:40:22 – 00:53:42:12 here than what 00:53:42:12 – 00:53:44:09 I was used to coming from California, 00:53:44:09 – 00:53:48:04 where basically, you know, you can 00:53:48:13 – 00:53:50:13 you can hone your skills 00:53:50:13 – 00:53:52:20 and opening up shop basically, you know, 00:53:52:20 – 00:53:55:17 there are some, important, 00:53:55:17 – 00:53:57:04 like bloodborne pathogens 00:53:57:04 – 00:53:59:17 and things that you need to be. 00:53:59:17 – 00:54:00:15 Yeah. 00:54:00:15 – 00:54:03:21 But in Oregon, they’re a little bit, 00:54:04:03 – 00:54:05:19 more strict with, 00:54:05:19 – 00:54:07:23 who could get into the field, 00:54:07:23 – 00:54:10:10 which there’s a lot of debate 00:54:10:10 – 00:54:13:15 in the tattoo world on tattoo schools. 00:54:13:15 – 00:54:14:01 There’s 00:54:14:01 – 00:54:15:20 kind of the old school way 00:54:15:20 – 00:54:19:02 of doing an apprentice ship, earning 00:54:19:03 – 00:54:20:00 your way, 00:54:20:00 – 00:54:20:09 you know, 00:54:20:09 – 00:54:21:21 which used to be 00:54:21:21 – 00:54:23:22 the way that things were done. 00:54:23:22 – 00:54:26:12 And, So. 00:54:26:12 – 00:54:27:23 But in Oregon, you just 00:54:27:23 – 00:54:30:06 you don’t have a choice. 00:54:30:06 – 00:54:32:08 You know, even with the even though 00:54:32:08 – 00:54:33:14 people, you know, 00:54:33:14 – 00:54:35:01 want them to earn it 00:54:35:01 – 00:54:36:03 and go through the old school 00:54:36:03 – 00:54:38:05 boy, you just have to go to school. 00:54:38:05 – 00:54:42:17 So, but I, I say just draw, 00:54:42:17 – 00:54:46:12 live it, breathe it, do your research. 00:54:46:12 – 00:54:48:17 Follow amazing tattoo artists. 00:54:48:17 – 00:54:51:20 That inspiration is so huge. 00:54:52:05 – 00:54:54:20 One of the things that our books 00:54:54:20 – 00:54:55:12 that we used to 00:54:55:12 – 00:54:58:14 make, were made for that purpose. 00:54:58:14 – 00:55:01:00 They were inspirational books 00:55:01:00 – 00:55:04:00 to get people to give ideas and stuff 00:55:04:00 – 00:55:04:14 for others. 00:55:04:14 – 00:55:06:03 And the way we would do 00:55:06:03 – 00:55:08:21 it is we would have a theme 00:55:08:21 – 00:55:11:01 and we would open up a call for art. 00:55:11:01 – 00:55:12:11 So for instance, 00:55:12:11 – 00:55:15:04 we had like a book on birds, 00:55:15:04 – 00:55:18:04 on one on insects, one on skulls, 00:55:18:05 – 00:55:21:02 one on under the sea, you know, so 00:55:21:02 – 00:55:22:16 we would have an idea, 00:55:22:16 – 00:55:24:23 open up the call for art. 00:55:24:23 – 00:55:26:14 People would create tattoos 00:55:26:14 – 00:55:29:04 or drawings or paintings or sculptures, 00:55:29:04 – 00:55:30:19 whatever their need then was, 00:55:30:19 – 00:55:33:23 and then they would submit the images. 00:55:34:06 – 00:55:35:01 And then once 00:55:35:01 – 00:55:37:03 we would get all of that stuff after, 00:55:37:03 – 00:55:38:19 we usually have, submissions open 00:55:38:19 – 00:55:40:14 for like 6 to 8 months, 00:55:40:14 – 00:55:41:15 and then we would take 00:55:41:15 – 00:55:42:19 all the submissions 00:55:42:19 – 00:55:44:07 and, and kind of choose 00:55:44:07 – 00:55:46:08 what was going to be in the books. 00:55:46:08 – 00:55:49:23 And they became kind of, 00:55:50:14 – 00:55:52:19 inspirational tools that a lot of tattoo 00:55:52:19 – 00:55:54:08 artists have in their shop, 00:55:54:08 – 00:55:55:15 so that when people come in 00:55:55:15 – 00:55:58:15 and they can look at ideas for that. 00:55:58:15 – 00:56:02:13 So, gathering, books and, 00:56:02:17 – 00:56:06:07 just all kinds of the line drawings 00:56:06:07 – 00:56:09:10 and anything you can do to practice 00:56:09:10 – 00:56:13:08 and just understand, what it takes 00:56:13:08 – 00:56:14:00 because it’s, 00:56:15:12 – 00:56:16:02 you have to be 00:56:16:02 – 00:56:17:04 very dedicated 00:56:17:04 – 00:56:19:20 to that craft to do well in it. 00:56:19:20 – 00:56:23:01 And, yeah, I love that. 00:56:23:01 – 00:56:25:18 It’s there are so many tattoo artists. 00:56:25:18 – 00:56:26:00 Yeah. 00:56:26:00 – 00:56:27:05 Which is so different 00:56:27:05 – 00:56:29:08 from when I first started. 00:56:29:08 – 00:56:31:04 But it’s so exciting to see 00:56:31:04 – 00:56:33:00 how many young people 00:56:33:00 – 00:56:34:20 are coming into the field. 00:56:34:20 – 00:56:36:08 It’s pretty cool. 00:56:36:08 – 00:56:37:02 They. Yeah. 00:56:37:02 – 00:56:38:19 I think, when talking about, 00:56:38:19 – 00:56:41:01 like, family members and tattoos, 00:56:41:01 – 00:56:43:12 my first family member 00:56:43:12 – 00:56:45:09 that had a tattoo that I saw. 00:56:45:09 – 00:56:46:05 So maybe others 00:56:46:05 – 00:56:47:03 did, you know, 00:56:47:03 – 00:56:50:03 it was my great Uncle Fred. 00:56:50:04 – 00:56:51:20 He was one of the last people 00:56:51:20 – 00:56:53:03 to be in the horse Calvary. 00:56:53:03 – 00:56:56:03 So he’s, you know, old, old man. 00:56:56:14 – 00:56:58:16 And he was, he was a marine, 00:56:58:16 – 00:56:59:19 and he was in the Navy. 00:56:59:19 – 00:57:02:02 So you you got to get a tattoo. 00:57:02:02 – 00:57:03:13 You just. Right. 00:57:03:13 – 00:57:06:15 So on his arm, he had a naked woman, 00:57:06:22 – 00:57:09:19 and he comes home and my great great 00:57:09:19 – 00:57:10:15 aunt goes, 00:57:10:15 – 00:57:12:13 you put some clothes on that lady. 00:57:13:16 – 00:57:15:06 So you had a tattoo, you 00:57:15:06 – 00:57:17:04 a bathing suit over her. 00:57:17:04 – 00:57:19:15 And so when I, I knew him, he was 00:57:19:15 – 00:57:22:10 he was in his 80s, into his 90s. 00:57:22:10 – 00:57:23:22 He was rolling around his wheelchair 00:57:23:22 – 00:57:24:19 and he would be like, 00:57:24:19 – 00:57:26:19 I can make her dance. 00:57:26:19 – 00:57:29:05 And we would just sit there 00:57:29:05 – 00:57:31:15 and he would make his, his lady dance. 00:57:31:15 – 00:57:32:11 And. 00:57:32:11 – 00:57:34:07 Yeah, it was, 00:57:34:07 – 00:57:35:22 when I knew him, it was fading. 00:57:35:22 – 00:57:37:18 It was obviously really old ink. 00:57:37:18 – 00:57:38:15 And so she was 00:57:38:15 – 00:57:41:15 both bathing suit and naked. 00:57:41:19 – 00:57:43:13 It’s like, no. 00:57:43:13 – 00:57:46:14 Oh, my God, I love that he went for it. 00:57:46:16 – 00:57:48:01 Yes, but for. Right. 00:57:48:01 – 00:57:49:13 And on his arm. 00:57:49:13 – 00:57:51:21 Yeah. That’s a very prominent place. 00:57:51:21 – 00:57:53:13 Oh, it’s right here. Yeah. 00:57:53:13 – 00:57:54:21 Oh. In the. 00:57:54:21 – 00:57:56:17 Oh, no. 00:57:56:17 – 00:57:58:07 Yeah. Watch her dance 00:58:01:08 – 00:58:01:21 Good for him. 00:58:01:21 – 00:58:03:21 Him? What was his name? 00:58:03:21 – 00:58:04:07 Fred. 00:58:04:07 – 00:58:05:11 Everybody called him Bus 00:58:05:11 – 00:58:07:15 and I called him Uncle Fred and. Yeah. 00:58:07:15 – 00:58:09:07 Rest in peace,he 00:58:09:07 – 00:58:11:19 he loved his little naked lady tattoo. 00:58:11:19 – 00:58:14:04 And his mama said, you he she said, 00:58:14:04 – 00:58:15:13 put some clothes on her. 00:58:15:13 – 00:58:18:13 You make her a right woman. 00:58:18:18 – 00:58:19:17 So. 00:58:19:17 – 00:58:22:07 Yeah, Good for him, man. 00:58:22:07 – 00:58:25:15 You see, like those during that time, 00:58:26:02 – 00:58:29:13 it was, you know, a lot of a lot of, 00:58:29:13 – 00:58:30:04 you know, 00:58:30:04 – 00:58:33:17 naval officers or motorcycle gangs. 00:58:33:22 – 00:58:34:08 It’s like, 00:58:34:08 – 00:58:36:16 you know, it’s that old school, 00:58:36:16 – 00:58:37:22 that stigma 00:58:37:22 – 00:58:40:02 that that kind of stuck for so long. 00:58:40:02 – 00:58:42:17 But for him, that’s so cute. 00:58:42:17 – 00:58:44:16 That’s a great story. 00:58:44:16 – 00:58:45:00 Yeah. 00:58:45:00 – 00:58:46:17 And then, as the listeners know, 00:58:46:17 – 00:58:47:19 my dad is in the Navy, 00:58:47:19 – 00:58:49:06 but he was deathly afraid of needles, 00:58:49:06 – 00:58:50:05 so that was the only reason 00:58:50:05 – 00:58:51:13 he didn’t get a tattoo. 00:58:51:13 – 00:58:53:04 And, 00:58:53:04 – 00:58:55:19 I guess my grandma had to pick it up. 00:58:57:16 – 00:58:58:18 I you okay? 00:58:58:18 – 00:59:00:07 So it’s like my aunt with the lips, 00:59:00:07 – 00:59:01:14 my grandma with the eyeliner. 00:59:01:14 – 00:59:03:05 So I guess I have to have eyebrows. 00:59:03:05 – 00:59:05:19 Like, that’s the only other. Oh, 00:59:05:19 – 00:59:07:06 that I know 00:59:07:06 – 00:59:10:01 you are definitely next, don’t you think? 00:59:10:01 – 00:59:11:04 Stefanie? She. 00:59:11:04 – 00:59:14:04 It’s got to be up. 00:59:14:05 – 00:59:15:10 Yeah. 00:59:15:10 – 00:59:17:09 Well, this is completely lovely. 00:59:17:09 – 00:59:20:10 And before we wrap up, Dr. Jinxi 00:59:20:10 – 00:59:21:15 where can our listeners 00:59:21:15 – 00:59:23:14 find more information about your work 00:59:23:14 – 00:59:25:03 and maybe some resources 00:59:25:03 – 00:59:25:22 that you’d recommend 00:59:25:22 – 00:59:27:02 for those interested 00:59:27:02 – 00:59:28:04 in the positive mental 00:59:28:04 – 00:59:30:00 health effects of tattoos? 00:59:30:00 – 00:59:32:01 Oh, thank you for asking. 00:59:32:01 – 00:59:32:11 You know, 00:59:32:11 – 00:59:34:03 I do have, 00:59:34:03 – 00:59:36:08 there’s an amazing tattoo artist. 00:59:36:08 – 00:59:39:16 She’s also an interdisciplinary artist 00:59:39:16 – 00:59:41:15 in many amazing mediums. 00:59:41:15 – 00:59:44:16 But her name is Tamara Santibanez 00:59:45:03 – 00:59:46:12 and she wrote, 00:59:46:12 – 00:59:49:07 I think it was 2021 or 2022. 00:59:49:07 – 00:59:51:00 She wrote this really incredible 00:59:51:00 – 00:59:52:02 book called, 00:59:52:02 – 00:59:52:22 Could This 00:59:52:22 – 00:59:56:11 Be Magic Tattooing as Liberation Work. 00:59:57:00 – 00:59:59:06 And it’s beautiful. 00:59:59:06 – 01:00:04:12 It’s, it talks about, trauma 01:00:04:17 – 01:00:06:06 and, you know, 01:00:06:06 – 01:00:09:06 using tattooing as a way to, 01:00:09:06 – 01:00:12:18 kind of help people create boundaries 01:00:13:04 – 01:00:16:03 and shape being like, a more ethical 01:00:16:03 – 01:00:19:23 way of doing that work, 01:00:19:23 – 01:00:21:09 in with it 01:00:21:09 – 01:00:24:09 through a, trauma informed lens. 01:00:24:15 – 01:00:27:07 And she has the full pdf of that book 01:00:27:07 – 01:00:29:18 for free actually on her website. 01:00:29:18 – 01:00:33:10 So it’s I highly recommend that, 01:00:33:10 – 01:00:34:21 and then there’s another, 01:00:34:21 – 01:00:37:21 I think it’s from the early 2000, 01:00:37:23 – 01:00:39:05 but it’s called 01:00:39:05 – 01:00:42:19 Tattooed: The Socio Genesis of Body Art. 01:00:43:05 – 01:00:45:00 And it’s really a great book 01:00:45:00 – 01:00:46:14 by Michael Atkinson, 01:00:46:14 – 01:00:49:17 and it has a lot of research in it 01:00:49:17 – 01:00:50:22 that connects, 01:00:50:22 – 01:00:53:05 a lot of the psychological, 01:00:53:05 – 01:00:56:05 components that we talked about today. 01:00:56:06 – 01:00:58:20 So definitely recommend those. 01:00:58:20 – 01:01:04:09 And then me, I oh, thank my, 01:01:04:09 – 01:01:05:08 my website 01:01:05:08 – 01:01:08:15 for my practice is, drjinxi.com 01:01:10:00 – 01:01:12:10 And then my, Instagram, 01:01:12:10 – 01:01:15:10 like, my personal Instagram is @Jinxi 01:01:16:18 – 01:01:22:05 Our tattoo shop is @OOSTattoo 01:01:22:05 – 01:01:25:01 And, the book publishing 01:01:25:01 – 01:01:29:09 company is @OutofStepBooks 01:01:29:09 – 01:01:32:03 and, all of our tattoo and art 01:01:32:03 – 01:01:33:15 books can be found. 01:01:33:15 – 01:01:37:01 oosbooks.com 01:01:38:08 – 01:01:41:01 And I think that’s it. 01:01:41:01 – 01:01:42:03 You can find me a like 01:01:42:03 – 01:01:44:03 LinkedIn and ResearchGate 01:01:44:03 – 01:01:47:03 with some of my my research, with just 01:01:47:03 – 01:01:50:03 putting my name in it. 01:01:50:12 – 01:01:52:02 Wonderful, wonderful. 01:01:52:02 – 01:01:52:13 Well, 01:01:52:13 – 01:01:54:15 if you have an amazing Disney 01:01:54:15 – 01:01:55:04 tattoo, 01:01:55:04 – 01:01:57:06 please DM us an image of it 01:01:57:06 – 01:01:59:00 @HappiestPodGT 01:01:59:00 – 01:02:02:03 You can find us on IG and on X. 01:02:02:15 – 01:02:03:03 Thank you, 01:02:03:03 – 01:02:04:19 Dr. Jinxi this is a beautiful, 01:02:04:19 – 01:02:06:06 wonderful conversation. 01:02:06:06 – 01:02:08:08 So much for joining. 01:02:08:08 – 01:02:11:10 Hopefully me or Ariel could visit 01:02:11:10 – 01:02:13:18 you one day. Oh, I would love that. Media/Characters Mentioned • Alice in Wonderland • Nightmare Before Christmas • Toy Story (Woody) • Moana • Pocahontas • Tinkerbell • Lilo & Stitch • Mickey Mouse (parks food) • Star Wars (lightsabers, rebels) • Marvel (Captain America, Black Panther) Topics/Themes Mentioned Tattoo culture and stigma Identity and self-expression Disney nostalgia and fandom Permanent makeup & family traditions Healing through art Storytelling through bodywork Representation in education and therapy Cultural tattoo practices Tattoos as community and connection DR. 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