making (but not emptying) a space

"What we still don't have is the proverbial clear desk. That "clear mind-clear desk" thing actually puts me into a state of panic." Thinking about making space- and how 'making space' does not mean 'making emptiness.' Also- the full Saga of the Sit-Stand Desk. Here is the photo of Leela's desk: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1t7VadexhtFNb3Rj_z1d4yyMg-PnamuIf/view?usp=sharing Transcript and notes: https://dev.intensivesinstitute.com/captivate-podcast/making-but-not-emptying-a-space Recorded 8 January 2024.