Mark Leibovich, author of "Big Game: the NFL in dangerous times," and veteran NFL reporter Ed Werder.

Leibovich, who reads a passage on the NFL trying to own the sports media landscape all year, on whether unpopular commissioner Roger Goodell can survive in the short or long term, on the snarky tone of his tome, on whether another NFL owner after Jerry Richardson will be caught in the #MeToo movement, and on the similarities of covering politics (Leibovich's full-time job for the New York Times) and covering the NFL.Werder on being part of the massive ESPN buyouts a couple of years ago, on what it feels like to be in his prime and being paid to NOT work, and on the future of the Dallas Cowboys, Jason Garrett and Dak Prescott. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.