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EPISODE · Nov 17, 2025 · 59 MIN

Matt Cole: Strive WILL Outperform MSTR - Strive CEO On Building A Bitcoin Credit Engine

from Treasury Orange - Bitcoin Podcast · host Tyler Rowe

As CEO of Strive (ASST), Matt Cole is building what could be MSTR's biggest competitor using a revolutionary "digital credit" strategy that that is making Saylor ENVIOUS. Matt managed $70 BILLION at CalPERS - America's largest pension fund. What he discovered about US debt monetization made him put his ENTIRE net worth into Bitcoin in 2017. In this explosive interview, Matt reveals: - How Strive was able to raise $160 MILLION in their SATA IPO - Why the Fed is "gaslighting" Americans about money printing - The exact moment he realized US debt crisis can't be fixed - How Strive's perpetual preferred equity could outperform Bitcoin - Why pension funds are secretly eyeing Bitcoin treasuries - The simple math proving dollar collapse is inevitable "Everyone buys Bitcoin at the price they deserve" - Matt bought at $3,000 after seeing what's really happening inside the US Treasury market. *TIMESTAMPS:* 00:00 Cold Open 00:40 Intro to Strive CEO Matt Cole 01:01 From CalPERS to Bitcoin Treasury 07:48 Bitcoin as the Hurdle Rate & Digital Credit 13:41 Understanding the Carry Trade 20:07 Innovations in Preferred Equity Products 28:53 Selling SATA & Future Strive Preferreds 34:48 SATA Addressing Pension Fund Challenges? 38:43 Bitcoin Treasuries Attacking The S&P Rating 42:55 The ASST-Strive Reverse Merger 46:55 Bitcoin Treasury Company Mania & Forecast 55:51 Digital Credit Focus of Strive & Alpha Opportunities 58:43 Where To Follow Matt Online 58:58 Stay Orange 59:15 Outro *KEY QUOTES:* 💰 "I was being gaslit by the Fed and Treasury" 📈 "0.0% chance we ever get fiscal situation under control" 🏦 "Bitcoin treasury companies are the biggest opportunity in all of finance" ⚡ "We have the capital structure MicroStrategy wants in 2029" *GUEST:* Matt Cole, CEO of Vivek Ramaswamy's Strive Follow Matt: https://twitter.com/@ColeMacro Company: https://twitter.com/@strive https://strive.com/ Matt's Podcast, The Hurdle Rate: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoB1eZWSVHVbHsHgaIIp0cy0MSDoz7uo0 Follow Tyler: https://twitter.com/@TylerCompiler *MENTIONED:* - Strive's SATA preferred equity - MicroStrategy's debt strategy - CalPERS & pension crisis - Fed money printing through banks - Semler Acquisition - True North - Strategy preferred equities: STRC, STRF, STRE, STRD, STRK *RELATED VIDEOS:* ASST/Strive Deep Dive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eho6_cAJo9Q Strive Director James Lavish Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDBxEekO8m8 SATA breakdown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY_8XLiRAqM Hurdle Rate Episode on Digital Credit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4Y88YFlGpk&list=PLoB1eZWSVHVbHsHgaIIp0cy0MSDoz7uo0&index=1 True North YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCR9Q6w9zyf_KS2ujrzhoLyA 📧 Contact Me: [email protected] 🎙️ Treasury Orange: https://youtube.com/@TreasuryOrange https://TreasuryOrange.com 🟠 STAY ORANGE #Bitcoin #Strive #ASST #MicroStrategy #MSTR #BTC #CalPERS #DigitalCredit #MattCole #PreferredEquity #TreasuryOrange #Crypto #Investing #HODL #stocks #HurdleRate

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