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Welcome to the Wisps show. I am your host Castle And with us today we have the end hello, which I'm gonna call silent again cuz every time we do this I have to spend like a half hour on mixing work trying to get her voice loud enough for everybody because it's sexy and breathy What her strip would be whisper probably because you're glad I'm here because I almost died getting here the trench in front of my home Yes, well, it wasn't so much the trench in front of your home. It was getting run over by the cars Well, you have to park on the other side Pass the trench in front of my home. Why did the end cross the road?
The trench it's not muddy it is if you go further west because the 1500 springs in my yard and the neighbors yard And then we're sure why would we walk past your house? You know, I honestly and people are gonna be jealous I shouldn't be because my rains a lot my basement has a tendency to flood But I usually water my lawn like twice a year in the summer like about mid-July it's looking a little rough and then About mid-August but usually there's enough groundwater that my lawn just grows and doesn't need so many kids want to go swimming They just go in the basement pretty much after a good rainstorm With us also is Brandi and Tim the slob whisper Don't pout Don't pout. That's not my name. It's your name So I did notice I was listening to radio Ronan and I was I was slightly offended and a little pissed off when it seemed like They kind of stole my nickname and give it to Kenny and just changed one word.
They're calling him the nerd whisper now I thought or I heard that you're just you love the name. Well, it's my nickname and you can't give it to somebody else I don't care if I hate it or not. It's mine. Tim is the man of many nicknames.
I am Kim the slob whisper and beaker. Hey, you knock it off I was called I said no It's not really for you. I'll surprise That's just a price X. I'm missing tonight is silent on or is he and also lurch in fact I'm totally bad because lurch wasn't here the last time I recorded and I forgot to mention lurch He last time he was super busy.
He's got a new job and he's going to school and got a bunch of stuff going on And this time I think he had gunnery or the Ebola or someone. It was a half ago. I'm a stiffle eight Oh, I know he wasn't feeling very well Stitching out no there's there's something yucky going around because I didn't go to our last investigation because I felt like we had something go through So I mean you talk out. I've not got sick.
Well, I don't know if you can't cancer Probably maybe a little sick in the head as well. You also have the help of gun stuff like now It is I ended burns. Does it hurt when you pee fortunately? No, uh, wait Good times So let's talk a little bit about what was going on and by the way, we apologize for I know we've said this before that we're trying to get more Consistent with our shows the last show fella and Easter and Dan seem to think that spending time with their family was more important than coming Spending time with all of you.
So we're gonna blame Dan for not podcasting when you say we apologize you mean just the rest of you because I was all for recording on Easter because I hate my family and I love to hate them. I'm pretty I'm pretty sure they don't hate you because I understand it your dad My dad loved me a back for my ingredients and rest be said here make this for me Yes, he came home yesterday and he said here you want to cook this for me and I'm like not really and then I ended up doing it anyways Because I was bored so what did you end up making? Chicken legs and chicken wings with a homemade Like barbecue sauce type thing. It was pretty good.
I like it. I'm gonna change the recipe next time I do though, you know, maybe we should talk about this and change this podcast to a cooking show No, well we could but no, I'm gonna make Mango sticky rice. I like that the mango sticky rice recipe. Hey, you had me at mango's you lost me at rice sticky rice It's different rice.
It's just unless it's sushi rice is kind of a boring food. Oh, you've never had mango sticky rice then I Think you guys you need to have it. I'm making some Asian wings. See now wings.
You can't mess up wings Yes, you can. Have you ever been a Buffalo Wild Wings? Actually, I take it back. I've got some bad wings.
So yeah, okay, I stand corrected All right challenge accepted. I'll mess up wings if you want Please don't mess up wings So it's been a busy little bit since our last podcast I actually was downloading audio today and I may have slapped a little bit and so I had like four different investigations on my audio recorder And so we've got a lot of investigations to talk about but before we get talking about it I want to talk about we're gonna do an indiegogo and we need your help I know that a few episodes ago. We had some sound quality issues We've resolved those we figured out what the problem is and right now every time we podcast We still my children's computer because it's easiest to get to and so why we podcast they can't do games And so we are going to build a computer specifically for podcasting and we need your help In fact, I'll let you hear how sad my child is that I'm taking my computer for Zootikun. I want to play Zootikun Help us get a computer.
Zootikun is the bomb. It's my favorite. I know Zootikun's awesome Actually, that is my youngest child and she struggles because she she struggles with a whole gender thing of animals So she can't understand why two male tigers won't create me tigers It's a conversation for another day Just show her the movie junior So I had to build her a little bit of a zoo and let her just kind of take over management after I had appropriately gendered animals Anyway, we are doing an indiegogo to get a computer to Basically record the podcast one It's quiet because the laptop we're using before sounded like it was gonna launch to Mars had a really loud fan in it Which you all heard? And so with indiegogo, we are going to be offering some prizes for those who help donate We're gonna try and raise about $700 and that should get us all the bells and whistles that we need in that computer It's gonna be portable so we can go to different locations and podcast It's not gonna be laptop because there's some things we want to do with it that need a full-size computer not a laptop But one of the prizes to talk about what our main prize is yes So what I've decided instead of waiting till we get to a thousand likes on our Facebook page I would like to give away that K2 meter with sound a lot sooner than that.
So what we've actually decided we're doing this just for the listeners I'm not gonna post this on Facebook So this is just for you that actually help and support us Whoever offers the largest donation is the person that's gonna be receiving the K2 meter sound and I'm actually in a sweet in the pot if they Cover at least the cost of that prize plus an additional amount I'm going to throw in a wisp t-shirt and I believe we will throw in some wisp t-shirts for some other donations And we will have a guest on the show one of you can come and join us as we record and see in glory the trench in front of my home Like that there's ever like really? I could go fill that in there's the back out there. I'm sure they leave it alone and I can hotwire it And I should probably clarify why there's a trench in front of my home and they're putting in carbon gutter because I have not had Curving it up into this point so curving gutter is imminent But please go I will have a link up to our indigo go any help would be appreciated one way or another We're doing this computer, but it really helps if you guys can chip in and help us do that We will be getting some t-shirts And I will have the stuff listed on indigo go but If you just donate and help us out, let us know your shirt size and we will get you some shirts We may give you a few other pictures at the end Absolutely just after she wakes up before her makeup and hair is done Anyway, so help us out with that and we would greatly appreciate it So what do we have to talk about today? I know we've got a bunch of investigations now we did the fear factory And let's not get too deep into that because I know lurch really he's the one to put that together He wants to talk about it, so let's just skip that altogether Fine, let me jump right to please house.
Well, the end doesn't have anything to say about anyone she bailed on us I went yeah, which is impressive because I thought it would take four burly men They'd be doing Vinny to tie her up with a cake and carry her there against her will I was actually surprised because given what I have seen Happened at some of these darker locations Brandy fared fairly well other than I could tell she had a heebie DB's all night long Yes, I did see all the talk together there was me showing up at our house and buying your dinner See enough I don't think that was it I think it was my you know being a protective mother hen and again We're not gonna talk much about fear factories for that for lurch by it was kind of funny cuz Brandy was with me The start of the night and every time I'm like oh, let's go this way. I shoot a shaker I'd go you would go that way I just I've got a radar for like the darkest nastiest places in any given venue There was a fire and it was glorious. Yes, it was glorious. I am sort of a pyro all right So let's talk about Cleaves house now.
We did an episode how long goes that episode? Yeah, what you say one with cleave on it? There is an episode if you want to know what I'm talking about There is a video on our website children Yes, mom There's a video on our website and I can't read the name of the video I think it's the cleave evidence investigation video at wisps.org and you can actually see some of the evidence So we've collected from cleave evidence home and we actually had him on a guest as a guest on the podcast About six months ago and Cleave came in and talked about it. That was Navi.
Who was that Navi on my phone? I got a notification and Navi from Zelticos. Hey when I get a notification You know what you should do with the cleave evidence video because we do have it on our website and we have it on our website and we have a No, we're just moving right along Yeah, so we have it on our YouTube channel, which is wisps media We also have it on our website. I think we should probably also upload that to our Facebook It's probably not a bad idea.
We'll throw it up there tonight when this one's day when this launches. I think we launched on Wednesday's Yes So we had cleave on as a guest and he's basically had crap going on in his home for 20 years And we actually spent an entire episode with him talking about the different things that have gone on in his home I would probably rank his home And I'm looking at Brandy decision confirms what I say probably one of the darkest locations that we've ever investigated as well as a residential yes as far as a residential goes it is not pretty nice and We've gone to cleaves. We've taken measures to help cleave things will stay clear for a couple months Then they just slowly ramp back up We'll go back in and we'll deal with things again And then they ramp back up one of the interesting features at Cleave's house is he has a room in the basement In the back part of the house that there's basically a portal in the floor and it's probably one of the most interesting portals I've ever encountered In investigating this is one of the one of the portals that finally made me a believer in portals in general You could actually put a k2 where this portal is that and a thing would go absolutely bat shit crazy I mean it was all the way to red all the way one led halfway in the middle and just bouncing back and forth all over the place You could put you know multiple k2s down there and then I'll do it And then if we all focused on well actually put my hand in the portal or where the portal was that and kind of And this sounds really crazy, but just kind of focused positive energy and good intentions in the k2s would actually stop And then the minute I took my hand away they would go crazy again And so as one of those areas we can actually see some tangible evidence if you will that there was something going on where this portal is At now the first time we went out we found the portal and we managed to close it and it probably wasn't a week or two later It was wide open again We responded out a handful of times and have closed this thing and it kept reopening Now I had an opportunity to go back on Friday night Which is a night that I almost died in the trench in front of my home because they didn't this trenches like four foot deep You guys time fixated with the trench yet? It's a foxhole It's a trench we could fight world where one in my front yard But they didn't have a bridge there There's a bridge now, but you had to jump into the trench and out of the trench to get home Which makes getting groceries interesting just a few bodies and answering Friday night after cleaves house I thought I might be the body in the bottom of the trench So we went to cleaves house I took a different medium with me because Brandy was busy because Brandy's usually busy on week night evenings And I work with him a little bit his name is Caden and my favorite thing about working with mediums is they all have different gifts in different areas Like we got brandy and we got brandy B.
I work with Caden and there's a few others I worked with And they all kind of have different Areas of specialty cadence seems to be really good with portals And so I decided to take Caden or cleaves house and see if we could figure out what was going on and deal with that portal once and for all And it ended up being a relatively interesting investigation When we first arrived and this is according to Caden We had 25 type three spirits in the home well 25 spirits most of them type three which we've talked about a little bit the demonic negative entity type spirits And as we start cleansing You can actually feel a tangible change as in the house as we went through and we're cleaning from room to room And in the process we actually found three item attachments I now cleave if you look at some of the pictures in the video you'll see that he collects like Egyptian type memorabilia Oh, some of it is just Replica I guess is what I'm looking for replicas none of it is real Egyptian stuff that I'm aware of but there's a lot of replicas And really even a replica can harness Energy or have energy attachments, but we found that there were three objects in the home that had the spirit attachments And one of the objects was a like a king tub bus basically I knew it I wasn't able to go to this investigation but that bus game in the creeps when I was there not Did it absolutely and essentially I'm not a psychic or a medium or anything like that But every single item attachment I was drawn to before I was told before Caden basically said that is was one of a photo Was there like a portrait a portrait of I don't remember what it was there was a big painting or portrait or where? You remember what it was of no, I remember it was a portrait. It's not helpful because that's lots of paintings and portraits So you talked about three objects was one of them a painting or portrait Kind of but not really like a That is a attendant. Okay, kind of but not really like a What do you call it when you call it a stroke?
What are you doing? Well, I'm going down to Detroit our lovely city All right, so the first object was the king tub bust and what was interesting is and like I said every medium I worked with a scanner has their gifts and specialties brandies by far my favorite I'm gonna have to say that because he's in my home with you. It occurs me if I say that Like I said Caden has kind of an affinity for portals and that kind of thing. He's really good at mirrors too Yeah, mirrors portals objects are kind of cadence bread and butter Anyway, he picked up on the creepy bust and Basically was able to figure out that that bust had an attachment that was keeping that portal open And so we were able to remove that bust from the home And hopefully that portal will now stay closed Or open up somewhere else or open up somewhere else hopefully Tim's house You know The next item we found was actually up in the hallway and There was it was another bust This one was smaller but it's kind of an Egyptian queen bust kind of a woman's head with kind of the weird conical blue hat type of thing And that one had an item attachment interesting thing about that particular ones You could I mean it's an inanimate object It's a hunk of plaster basically and you could hold a k2 up to it You can actually get the k2 to give you readings off this bust And there's no reason this bus should have given you any kind of k2 readings But it would light up to the second or third LED and stay there around this hunk of plaster which shouldn't be giving off any emf at all We were able to remove that one from the house Now Cleve is a huge huge share fan And has some share memorabilia in his house and the third object and we knew it was there But we didn't know what it was what the object was and as I went to please master bedroom there was Shadow box and in the shadow box.
This is what I mean by kind of it Not really cuz it's hanging on the wall like a portrait of the shadow box was a member billion Well, then the answer show wasn't But there was a shadow box and in the shadow box there was this wand for lack of a term that share had used And how to search it off the test and all that kind of stuff But it was basically a quartz wand that was probably about 12 to 14 inches long I'm have like gold filigree kind of wrapped around it and had other chunks of various corks and Non-precious crystals if you will that were attached to it kind of like a little knobby crystals Attached with the gold filigree to this thing and it sounds really ugly and it actually kind of neat looking but kind of ugly And we've talked a little bit here about stones and Brandi's got a knowing smile over there We've talked a little bit about stones and the In different properties that they may or may not have like I said, I've kind of been I'm kind of skeptical that stones have energy But the more I'm doing this the more I'm starting to think there might be something to them And so I'm looking at this thing and it just looks like if something was gonna harbor negative energy or an energy attachment This thing looks like the thing And so I was immediately drawn to them like oh, that's not good Cleve was not happy. I said cleve I've got some bad news for you because it's not the wand is it? It's the wand. Oh damn it.
Yeah, apparently was very and a very expensive item But I think we got it taken care of a lot of effort was put into actually trying to cleanse it. Hopefully we're successful And hopefully cleaves house has been taking care of once and for all however It's the kind of thing where time will tell and I've got a sneaking suspicion that we may have missed something I think there was a fourth object attachment. I actually know what the object was and I think we missed it But if we have to go back He's gonna make me go with I know it yeah Yeah, so I have a favorite house you Usually how it starts right speaking of stones you might call new moon stone that Tim bought me. Oh nice.
Right. I love it I said actually got an assistant to not official that to you're not yes Yes, Selenite and we actually use Selenite quite a bit cleave house It's an interesting stone. I'm actually a bit disappointed. I didn't learn about it sooner Dan tell us about Selenite Selenite.
It's awesome. I thought it's gonna put on the spot. No, I have disappointing Who do you think told your wife to get you Selenite? Oh?
That would be me the thing about Selenite is stones usually need to be cleaned because especially the ones that absorb negative energy Those especially need to be cleaned obsidian black permaline Hematite Hematite anyway, and there's there's a couple different ways you can do this you can soak them in salt water and then put them in the Sun You can put them in the moonlight You can just put them in the Sun I mean everyone has their own their own ways the thing about Selenite though Selenite does not absorb energy It does not need to be cleaned and it can actually clean stones And so I have I carry a bag of stones in my bra and I actually I have a moon stone not too long ago Yeah, cool people in moonshine But I actually also ordered or ordered I also bought a little piece of Selenite and a big one The big one I have in my ghost hunting kit so that I can clean stuff with it with a little one I actually have with my other stones and it just keeps them clean all the time my selenite is really near something Probably because I carry it my bra and I don't look like I have a lumpy boob. Oh, mine's about a foot long about an inch and a half Dick if you have a lumpy boob, I think you need to get that looked at just saying I don't have a lumpy boob That's why I don't have a size yourself and it's how you use it. I have Anyway, so that way I don't have to cleanse my stones because I've gone on hunt before I think oh no I have a cleanse my stones and So my stones are always clean. Let's talk a little bit about cleansing because we keep teasing that we're gonna talk about cleansing Like we have like the last 15 episodes Let's get to you But yeah, as you say, but we keep going and we never actually talked about cleansing So let's talk about the process a little bit and it's Crazy What's that we all sound a bunch of nettos when we talk about I know and that's why there's like a total I know and I know and I know and I'm saying that's one of the reasons I keep putting it off because I don't feel like another As much as I used to be except enough now and I've seen it work enough that I'm like to hell with it people think I'm And that they're gonna think I'm not let's talk about I'm gonna keep the religious part of it to a minimum Just because of the sacred nature of some of the religious end of it that we do But I would like to talk a little bit about cleansing just in general and to be completely honest every single cleanse that we do is a Little bit different.
There are a lot of elements that remain the same But depending on what it is and that we're dealing with We've approached it a little bit differently with each investigation. I actually did another cleansing on The Wednesday before I went to cleaves house I went to another home in Provo that had some bad juju going on that one actually lurch came with me and when we both walked into the house I mean it was thick lurch can feel it, but I walked in it was just dark and heavy and I cleans that one Distinctly different than I have other houses Now the cleansing process we use and it's a cleansing process It's fairly common among the paranormal community a lot of the aspects of it are and to be honest with you every group kind of Personalizes how they do it to an extent. I'm sure there's things that we do that are probably unnecessary There are things we do which are probably things other groups don't do and there are other things other groups do that I'm sure we don't do But again, it just comes down to what's effective and what works for a different group now the first thing usually when we do a cleansing is We it's cleansing should have a lot of people on board because there's a lot of different jobs to do in a cleansing I'm gonna talk about the non religious aspect of it for the most part to start with One thing I like to do is if I know that we have a negative entity a type three or demonic spirit Whatever you want to call it. I like to make them very uncomfortable Because I don't want them there and good and evil can't coexist It just it doesn't work one is gonna overpower the other essentially So I keep a little itty-bitty-bluetooth speaker It's probably about as big around as a silver dollar and it's probably about an inch and a half high if it's perfect to my ghost kit And one thing I do is I'll turn on something like the Mormon tabernacle choir or some religious Uplifting music and I'll start cranking that in the house The idea being is to kind of bring in the positive energy bring in the the religious aspect and usually I found that negative spirits Do not like that they get a little squeamish for lack of better term when I go on squeamish or angry One of the two yes, man the one that gets to feel that thinking you're welcome And so I usually start playing some music like that and I know other people are like lots of time music doesn't do anything I would have to disagree effect.
We actually had a portal one night in what's the was that was that less Jordan or Magna From where I work yeah, yeah like in the sage restaurant West Jordan pretty sure they found me come mess with my production line I know that guy we're gonna make his didn't like how But we found a portal in the field next to that home and we attempted to close it We're actually struggling to close a little bit I broke out the music and it just closed right up well I would close right up to if you started playing clay you can around me it was It was boys and I'm not claking it was clay aching You're claking in your phone old style there may be claking ways of closing a portal before we found on our new ways of doing right and there's There's a lot of different ways to close a portal and the when we first started doing it we actually do it Sounds so crazy, but I'm gonna just basically everybody involved with kind of put their hand over it was that and focus on Closing it you just kind of posing positive Yeah, yeah, but pushing positive energy and it sounds hokey But basically you just focus good intentions at your hand for the portals that and that just take the clothes right up Sometimes depends on the portal and how tough it is sometimes they're more resistant than other times It's not the safest way to close a portal Sometimes brandy loses her mind So you say I don't remember I don't remember any of these things that you guys talk about but you know I'm just gonna believe you she didn't lose her mind. She just tried to run away and channel Satan And so that's how we used to know there's other ways to close a portal Salt and basil is probably the easiest way and you can if you want to talk about film like an idiot look like another Stand in front of an invisible portal and huck salt and basil into it. Yeah, I'm making salad But that was actually has been very effective for most portals Now there's other ways the other one the other mediums I work with his name is caden and I need to see if I can get him as a guest one day he actually has the ability to Basically wrap him up and get rid of them just Doing it takes him some effort and some energy, but he he can do that and which is why I took him a cleave to see if he could do something With that portal that was so persistent And so that's how he does portals is with the salt and the basil and But let's get back into just cleansing in general So a lot of times what we'll do is we'll get some inspirational music going my personal favorites the mo tab More of an hyperknuckle choir for those who don't know you touch our hands And then spirits can't walk through salt or over salt. I don't know why I don't know what it is Why is it a pure substance and that could be an essential because it's a pure substance There's a lot of references to salt in the scriptures And so I think there's some metaphysical properties to salt if you will but every time I go on investigation I take my yellow and black bag of cleansing with me I Missed a lot of darkness but in that bag there's predominantly a lot of herbs There's some salt in sense There's a lot of different stuff that I mean if we answer to someone stole my bag and I got home to find their treasure They would be really disappointed The bag it's absolutely you know there's an age in the way it's called herbs not herbs exactly there's an age there Herbs yeah, if I heard off the show I've been fired and so we'll go to a house and one thing we'll do is since Tim's the biggest of us I make him salt the baseboards.
Yeah, and I think that actually negates the positive music and the energy you try to bring in the home Because I'm so negative about hey, what's have the biggest fatest guy in the room salt the baseboards Tim what you say no sound on has the squirt has the sprayer Tim I usually give a little handheld spray bottle and say when silent I'm not there I get to spray the baseboards and I get maybe two feet in the first room and I'm sweating like a pig Yeah, Tim way so sweaty. Okay, it's cold in here now for me I need to go by one of those sprayers. I know and that's usually when 10 gives me the middle finger telling me to you I guess according to other people Chris I guess that's not necessarily something that we have to do Chris is our wicked member and again He said that's not necessarily something we have to do and it's interesting because the last two cleansing as cleansing I have done we've not done that and I'll get into those here in just a minute But the idea is if you salt the baseboards in the home the spirits can't cross over that salt And I know brandy boo-lo said that she's seen spirits try and cross salt that essentially burns them You've seen the same thing here and so it sets up basically a barrier and so what we'll do is we'll start in one Room something usually in the back of the home. We'll salt the baseboards and I'd be curious to hear some of your guys's theories on this your guys isn't sure that's proper Well, if they're not allowed to cross salt them that bathtub story from the slob's house with it The plug flying all over the place in the salt water Tim are you saying he made something out?
Maybe I mean all the stories A visible snake a lot of historians a lot of historians from a little suspect So we'll start one room now one thing that we do is we bring a bell and which is interesting I'm just curious to hear all your theories on bells and I want to hear you guys my theory There's a lot of bell ringing in Catholicism. I was gonna bring that up and incense also, so according to you cause I was supposed to Reate positive energy for one and two kind of scarily the bad get rid of it It doesn't like it and I've got a theory behind that and it kind of comes down to frequencies Bear with me because a lot of what I'm gonna say is metaphysical mumbo jumbo So if you believe in this kind of stuff great if you don't you're gonna think I'm another I'm just going off based off of what I have seen But I've listened to a lot of people who believe in frequencies that basically angels if you will God vibrates at a Phenomenally high frequency evil demonic type spirits vibrate a very low frequency everything vibrates at a frequency You can hear me you are vibrating in a frequency. That's just a known fact everything has a frequency basically My theory on the bells is a metal bell has such a high frequency that the sound is very painful for An entity that vibrates a much lower frequency and so tends to drive them out. It's kind of like basically dog whistle makes a dog bark Same theory So we usually start room bringing a bell and the idea is that the bell in that room is gonna push whatever it is out They don't want to deal with it They're gonna move out of that room the baseboards get salted so that nothing can cross back into the room And then as we exit the room dance give me a look can I interject a little no you may not I'm going to I already did We talked about last podcast of the podcast before that really creepy The scariest one we ever did yes with the with the guns and it was fearful I mean if you remember I wasn't there, but when you guys tell the story The homeowner at one point was possessed right by a type three and when you started ringing the bell He went into a fetal position and put his hands over his ears Right, let's make it stop making a screaming and pain Right just another little bell right and I think that basically that holds through the spirits as far as how it affects them as well When they hear the bell ringing now correct me if I'm wrong brandy and I'm kind of winging it here Does the bell affect human spirits or is it just a demonic spirits?
Usually it's just demonic spirits because human spirits still have a frequency of what they were when they were lying Okay, that's kind of way to become a type two or you know that type of thing and that's what I thought That's why I thought I'd run that pasture real quick So basically the the bell takes care of any evil spirits and runs them off and out of the room now at the same time And again, I'm talking when we do this sometimes we kind of do overkill and we and that's okay But we usually have an individual burning white sage now white sage is a substance and Native Americans have used for cleansing and white sage tends to actually drive off human spirits for whatever reason they don't like it and they will exit the room So after you while you're ringing the bell someone will stage the room to drive out any other spirits And then as you leave the room we'll sprinkle salt across the doorway now another thing demonic spirits do not like and as you Just quite a bit Catholicism is a basal. I don't know why it works. I don't know how it works I just know that evil demonic spirits do not like a basal I Buy basal in great quantities for home cleanings and a lot of times we'll sprinkle basal in the doorway and we'll sprinkle Basal in the windows stills along with salt the idea just being to keep anything from re-entering that room So once that room is clean we move on well, and we put it down we put salt down all the drains Correct Toilets if we can get to it the the drain behind a washer the drain in the basement Chimneys you know chimney vents. There's any any opening you can think of and I want to I all that same subject while we were doing a whole Basal and sage thing I talked to a few of my wicked buddies and we're supposed to be actually opening windows So the bad have somewhere to escape from which is interesting because that's actually what we were doing on Friday at Cleaves House is we would actually get things cornered in a room seal the room up and then open the window and push out the window Close the window and then seal it And so yeah, I would agree with your what can friends you've talked to because that's actually what we did the last two cleanings It's kind of got something cornered and then Making all these awesome hand gestures everybody who's listening to grab their butts and pushes them out the window And so we do that we generally do that through the whole house and you start kind of at the back of the house and start pushing towards a door Or window until you get it out now.
There's some other things that we've done with that Brandy's grandfather can I talk about your grandfather? Brandy's grandfather is a deacon in the Catholic Church, and so Brandy has provided us with some holy water that we'll use And she's giving me some blessed oil that's been blessed by her grandfather as well And we'll mix that with just a touch of olive oil and we'll have the homeowner usually just touch above each door each lintel And and door and have them basically just say a little prayer to bless that room bless that house And the idea is you're they're claiming their house. They're Asking stuff to leave and then cleanse the house that way generally when all that is done at that point Usually we'll do a religious blessing on the home and call it good after that after we've done all the What would you all the holistic holistic that's what I'm looking for on the holistic cleansing then we usually end up with a religious blessing Now there's some other things we use because there's different types of spirits. There's actually about three levels of type three's There's kind of the wimpy ones.
There's elementals and there's the really big tough guys And that's like most bare bones basically describe the different levels of type three's And I was actually going somewhere that oh Captain and Admiral basically now about the mid-level ones And I didn't necessarily believe in these until I've experienced them, but they're They're called elemental spirits and they're still demonic spirits. They're still evil spirits But they usually have some kind of affinity to some kind of element I E rocks would be an earth elemental. There's air elementals water elementals, etc And again, it was something that took me a long time to get on board with I thought it was kind of silly and mumble Until I experienced enough of them to know that they do exist Yeah, a lot of that comes from the the wicking Outside of it. So if you're we if you read a lot of wicking you can understand where the whole team that command comes from and why they do what they do And and it's interesting because as you get into it those different types of demonic spirits i.e.
Elementals are sometimes affected by different things And again a lot of this whole up so you're gonna think we're all insane But like air elementals, which are incredibly rare. I've run across a few They do not like iron and they don't like iron candles and if you mix like black pepper and vinegar, they know likey If I go to a house and we can figure out that that that's what they've got is say an air elemental Which is just a name for another type of demonic spirit Usually I have them put vinegar with pepper in it around the house Usually some kind of iron i'll have them put out and then burn candles and that seems to kind of do the trick more than some of the other methods I don't know why these things work. I don't know how they work. I just know that they work and if they work I will use them Did I miss anything?
Sorry not show it just cover like all of the bases religious or not well something that I would like to point out with the Demonic our group has kind of classified spirits as type 1s type 2s types 3s and you've you've heard us discuss this And if this is your first time I'll very briefly kind of go over it type 1 is what everyone thinks of as ago someone who has lived They've died they're hanging around rattling chains and turn on and all its grandma Excuse me. It's the old scary captain. I'm actually going to skip to type 3 and come back to two type 3 is a demonic spirit Type 2 is a type 1 That a type 3 has kind of gained control over type 3s don't work on their own They have to have buddies and henchmen to dirty work for them And so that's what these types 2s generally are there's actually two types of type 2s There's the type 2s which like yanner talking about it's basically a type 1 spirit a regular ghost that a demonic or negative entity Whatever you want to call it potato potato These type 3 spirits come in and they kind of put the thumb on them if you will and say look you are going to be my little bitch And do my dirty work and those are unwilling type 2 spirits Those are the kind that basically get intimidated into pushed into Forced into being the minion of the type 3 is very rare that I've gone to a home It has a type 2 spirit that there's not a type 3 somewhere nearby We went to one where the type 2 was doing the strings the type 2 was doing all the dirty work And the type 3 was cowardly hiding in closet. What was that?
Rock house. Oh, okay Now the other type of type 2 Is somebody who is just a real piece of work in life They are malevolent just by the very nature of who they are and they are willingly and gladly Stir in the pot. Yeah, I was gonna say dicks. So more or less like if Charles Manson or like Ted Bundy for example I know he's dead and I'm pretty sure his spirit is still at his cabin I could be wrong because we did see a spirit there when we were there Something like that like Ted Bundy he would be a type 2 Yeah, just by his own volition Whereas if Tim was to die right now and type 3 came up and say Tim, guess what?
Gonna have you do some dirty work for me. Yeah, they will have him And again just like in life spirits have free will and like Tim said that ain't gonna happen So it probably wouldn't but a weaker will spirit may be Intimidated pushed into becoming a negative entity that would help a type 3 spirit Now if we go into the type 3s again We call them demonic entities meaning that they never had a body A lot of religions believe in fallen angels and that's that's what we believe now we get into the we call them demonic You get some paranormal groups that get all sorts of excited and said oh, there's no demons in Utah There's a handful of critics to some groups there's only 80 in existence But I do give them credit in the fact that if you study demonology at all these demons are set up kind of as um Armies so to speak Military type hierarchy Yeah, they have a hierarchy and the demons that these groups are talking about are the big the big generals that the top head honchos And there's not very many of them. Those are the ones that are going to have names Um, you can get There are books out there where it names these demons and kind of tells you what they're in charge of and then there's a trickle down Um and the ones that we run across or more I mean we've run across a lot of just foot soldier minions little little gnome like those are the most level are kind of the gnome like and there's There's a lot of them. They are very common I would say they're the grunts almost almost as common as human spirits Um Most locations that are having issues that call us in to come check out their issues If you usually got something like that going on because that's why they got activities.
They've got a little grunty spirit Kind of pulling strings and trying to terrify the family. So I think um, we have kind of identified Um, maybe the head honch show in our area and we have named him larry Um, and then I think lucy who we've talked about is probably one level under him. Um, so there's there's or Maybe they're on the equal level. I was gonna say they're almost equal, but I think lucy might be just a hairless awesome Yeah, she's a hairless awesome.
But Larry, but not much. She is she is ugly as I can say. She's not very awesome. Okay.
Larry I think Larry's is like he recruits people in lucy and lucy just happens to be a very strong minion of his You know, but anyway, there's definitely a hierarchy if you um, but something you're interested in you definitely study up on it Um, it's interesting. In fact, john's afus is actually got a book coming out I know I've talked about his other book, how about the things you love, but he's got another book What's it called then? Um demonic possessions. Uh, I'm looking up demonic hauntings or something.
It's it's basically a book that john's afus has written about Some of his demonic cases and that comes out in August actually I'm kind of anxious to read that book Provided the cancer is giving right And see lately i'll have all your ear because I peed on it. I've been watching a show on Netflix called It's called demon haunted true stories from the john's afus vault And sappas vault his evolved of demons i vault of demon stories Uh from different cases he's worked and john's afus for those who don't know john's afus I think i've talked about him before but he's in the rain warms nephew Uh, and he's kind of picked up where they left off since has passed away in the rains very aged Uh at this point so john has kind of picked up their torch, uh and has run with it Which kind of makes me laugh because you know some of these other groups they talk about there's only so many demons in the world And you have people like him have come across many and then people like us and they say that we're crazy because there's not that very many And it depends on how you classify demon and how you And in reality if you're talking the generals and i'm using my own quotations for those who can't see us No, you're not your hands didn't move It's called radio center or podcasting cinema fine fine, air quotations Okay, I did it Like let's talk about amity bill like you see amity bill where crap is flying off the walls and people are doing stuff like that or you talk about the movie Exorcist those are the big ugly nasty nasty king daddy demons i'm pretty sure one of the big nasties lives in I'm pretty sure too because it seems like nadikot's got a lot of shit going It's like they made a movie about it like the haunting in kannadikot Well, I was gonna say it's actually based on which is right i've got books and books and books of crap that's happening in kannadikot And that's where the warns are based out of them john's afus and there's a lot of crap Well, it seems like the nastiest actual demonic stories i've heard or anakinadikot's like this one is being and there it is yep Anyway, uh, is that where the one of the case you have come from? Yes, actually it was the one that i've got video that move and stuff around yeah, also on our webpage Uh, and so those were kind of the big head honcho ones that i think a lot of groups are for two demons But there are a lot of demonic spirits i mean wearing utah And i'm lds so i'm gonna just borrow from lds theology for a minute And if you go in where i think you're going a lot of christians a lot of christian religions believe the same thought process Right the one difference between the lds theology and a lot of the christian theology is lds theology teaches that we were the spirits or with god that We were the angels that were in heaven and Basically when the third the host of heaven walked out a third of Us walked out and so we are here to get physical bodies And that third got kicked out or left Never got body so if you if that theory if that theology is sound um, you got to figure that right now There's what seven billion people on the earth Uh, and if you count in the billions that have probably existed up until this point from the beginning of time Um, there's got to be let's just let's just take six billion people if there's six billion people in there You got to figure there's three billion demonic spirits that were cast down here alone Now there's got to be even way more than that based purely on the fact that It's about 10 Damn just got one of those uh energy drinks out of your fridge Here we go I thought you're mocking my math i'm like, am i gonna go? Nope Nope You have to talk about to get more interesting Yeah, those energy drinks are like six years old Well i've like cleared my throat eight thousand times in the last ten minutes I'm fairly certain those energy drinks may have been made but psychotropic mushrooms She's gonna start licking the walls and stare at us all funny again No, right Well, then i won't feel so cast out because apparently i do not sometimes I'm But you don't remember her last time she drank one she was just out there like this Yeah, her eyes were like three times as usual I don't need to sleep tonight Wait, what are you grabbing at?
The butterflies There's no butterflies, Dan Right, I think there might be some opiates in that Yeah, like i said i think there's some psychotropic mushrooms Anyway, so if the LDS the algae holds sound that we were the angels That's gonna put billions of non-human demonic spirits here on the earth And um something this is also the fallen angel theory So fallen angels might sound more like you're not LDS might bring a little truer Right, um And so there's potentially billions and billions of these spirits that are roaming the earth Now they're not all ambival A lot of mergers You got that creepy closet in your house It just gives you the heebie-jeebies every time you go hang a coat in there But there's nothing else going on in your house The garden homes, yeah Yeah, we did a house in American Fork that had to Twin Did I say twin? Yeah twin Twin spirits there that were demonic in nature Can you describe for us Brandy since you actually saw them and we did not? They were shorter in height so they weren't really tall that's why we call them the names About two and a half, three foot tall Yeah, they were great ugly Not human like at all More of the amylistic sort of shaped You know like boar or pig You know things like that It's been a while since I've been there I don't usually remember all the things that I see because I don't want to But they were just very nasty, decayed looking creatures So they called them the garden homes Yeah, Pepe and Felipe Ernest and Pepe Ernest and Pepe, that's right These were the only ones that I remember correctly Like I've seen like type 2 and type 3 Kind of try to taunt you and try to bring your family into the situation and like mention them These are the only ones that I've personally dealt with that kept trying to bring my family into it And they do that, that's how the cover works They know a lot about you because they're not human And so they're trying to make you feel bad and someday you intimidate the family You know, I think the most interesting thing when dealing with these type of spirits And Ernest and Pepe And if you guys haven't figured out yet, I give these spirits really goofy names Because in my opinion it kind of takes away their Fear factor if you're dealing with Ernest and Pepe versus Shaz Rax the Undying Like I is everywhere I know I totally made me lose my train of thought there Oh, I've heard some of the most blasphemous things come out of the mouths of some of these spirits You know, I've been with both brandies I've been with Caden and some other different mediums And they'll tell me what some of these spirits are saying You know, they'll repeat back And I know Brandy well enough to know that Brandy is not blasphemous In any way, she'll repeat some of things are saying And it's not something a normal person would say as far as blasphemy goes I'm not saying that Brandy's blasphemous, she's just saying what they're saying Well, it's funny you can tell I mean the first time that you got texts from a demon I don't know if we've talked about that, haven't we? I think we have a little bit We'll talk about it here in a second to some people that we're talking about But when you first told me I kind of thought okay, yeah, whatever But then you showed them to me and I'm reading them and I'm thinking Holy cow, I mean based on my religious education, it rang true in so many ways I was like, no, this is wow, this is the real deal Yeah, and just to give you guys an idea, we're talking about it I don't usually talk really widely about this just because since we're going all 100% in this episode, I'm just gonna let it all hang out And let it all hang out Oh, put that away About a year and a half ago, I got involved in a really, really ugly demonic case And what happened is there was a gal She had been involved in some kind of religious cult-y type of thing More cult-y than religious and got tied up with some really dark entities To the point where she could see them physically with her eyes They were attacking her and her family Her new husband and they called for help Well, I was trying to consult with them and get some information from them Well, one night, the blue, I get a text from this gal And it was not her, it was something controlling her texting me And it sounds really weird when I say it But like Dan said, when you read the text, it's not It was not a 20-some-odd-year-old girl that was texting me It was just the things that were saying were just completely utterly blasphemous and dark And just, I don't know that any normal person without How do I raise this?
Like I said, the best way I can describe it is based on things that I have learned at church No, no more human actions I mean, if you interact with somebody and you get to know them, you just don't like at this time basis It's not like a normal speech, the way it's worded, the way that it's written Just the grammar That demonic or stupid or dumb, demonic is really smart Oh, very much so absolutely They're evil, but they are smart and they know people like, you know, demonic is what news technology They stay in age, yes, they would, in order to get what they want, they're not stupid by any means Absolutely And it was like, just the things they were saying The best way to describe it is just ring true from what you talked about of the pre-existence Theologically sound from a negative aspect is probably the best way to say it Absolutely Well, outside her personality Right, and that's how it did work It wasn't her and the things that were saying From an evil standpoint, from the demonic spirits standpoint, were theologically accurate Things that the Skirtle would not know Right, and based on going religious here, they say that Fallen Angels, you know, basically the Devil was once an Archangel And he was cast out, God cast him out, and then became the Devil and hated And if you read the Bible, it says that Archangel's are so smart that humans can't even fathom how smart they are And that being the case, you know, if you have the Devil and his minions and so on These things are so smart that our brains can't even imagine Correct, and if you can think, if you can try to comprehend one third of the hosts of heaven Following Satan, how very charismatic he must have been as well And so along with this whole text message, the text conversation, actually had a conversation for several minutes Was basically saying that this girl was theirs They were telling me what they were going to do with her That was the plural They kind of took some shots at me There are some things that you learn when you really start studying demonology that they revealed that she wouldn't have known That also made it ring very true They won't tell you their name Mm-hmm Anyway, so long story short on that, I saved this whole long text conversation I've had several other since then, Larry that we keep referring to Has sent me numerous texts in Latin, which we've translated, which have been through to stay away And by the way, he's been sending me some more when we're at Cleese House, so good times Yeah, you're welcome And I've actually saved these so sometime if you ever catch me, if I like you, I may be willing to show you, but not you Becky, screw you Just kidding Long story short as far as that Case went with that girl And this was actually a very very religious experience for me from a positive aspect too I'm not gonna lie, getting that whole text conversation really kind of freaked me out a little bit And I said probably one of the most first prayers I've ever said after that because I arranged to meet with them immediately The next day as I dropped all my every schedule everything and I Replined my whole day Found another team member who could go out with me And basically agreed to meet with them the next day And they wanted to meet at a fairly public restaurant, and it was okay This girl's mother was very anti-anything religious she just didn't want anything to do with religion Didn't want anybody dealing with religion training by the house And so they wanted to meet some Republican. I was okay with that because they had never met me I never met them. I didn't want to end up in somebody's chili Uh Made you eat your parents. Oh the tears this is salty.
Oh dear So I should need to let them talk more so that doesn't happen. I know His add is getting there Tim is not taking his medication tonight So I ended up going to this restaurant to meet them and I said like I said I said a prayer And it's probably one of the most verb prayers I've ever said I don't know if anyone said a prayer where you just have a lot of heart and soul poured into that prayer Um and in the prayer I actually asked for angels because I had seen ghosts and I thought I need some help with this This is kind of this is above my pay grade You know semi-som angel and They want to meet at needers. Um, I don't know if you guys are familiar with the restaurant needers But they want to meet at needers delicious, which is public a little too public for my taste for what we needed to address Excuse us. I think exercise demons.
You understand which has how led So I I said a prayer asking for angels Um, and as I walked into the needers, um, I had another investigator with me Uh, and we walked in and there's a LDS missionary zone meeting going on So I had like eight or eight or ten LDS missionaries that were in there having lunch They're like the light shine upon them. Oh, well now I walked them like oh cool missionaries and I can't sit there like I'm a little slow. I'm just gonna put that out there. It's like five seconds.
I consider Mike. Oh, I was like, oh, there's missionaries Oh, oh, um, which is really nice because they had access to a local chapel and we're able to get that couple or two local chapel with the missionaries help and Kind of deal with that. That's probably fun. Uh, missionaries excuse me.
Can I talk to you for a minute? Yeah, it was interesting. Don't mind me. I love your same religion and a paranormal investigator and we've got demons Um, you know, I was surprised that you were able to handle that the way you did with uh, if you're gonna say that tonight I don't know what you said in order to get them to agree It would have been more appropriate awkward conversation than the Levnitas it was but it wasn't like I said everything kind of things came together Um, not to get really just on a show, but they're very much is a god Um, and that was a very direct answer to a very fervent prayer In fact, actually talking to those missionaries after the fact they said that they never eat at that restaurant because it's too expensive for him And that was just a really strange one off that day that they happened to be there Um And so I wish I had a happy ending with that story We were able to help that couple in the short term Um, the downside was that there were still issues at the home Uh, we because of the weird mom we couldn't get into the home and they went back to the home where there were still problems And so the problems eventually crept back in because they were able to deal with the whole Uh, it's like playing in the mud Put it mandate on it If you go and play in the pig pen, you can come in and take a shower and get clean But if you go back out to sleep in the pig pen, you're gonna get mad on you again Uh, and that's kind of the same thing is they took the shower But they had to go right back to the pig pen and got Ick you again, uh, and I lost contact with them after that So I honestly don't know what the the end result was Um, I've done walking in And it is and that's the sad thing with these type of cases with the demonic cases is You can help people but you can only help them as far as they're going to help themselves Um, we've had more than a few cases where people call and ask for help And you do the best you can to help them But somebody in the home, uh, is fooling around with something they shouldn't be and they're not willing to give that up And so they come and ask for help and you do everything you can But as long as there's someone in that home who keeps tinkering with a Ouija board Or thinks that Shaz Rachte and Dyeing is their best friend Or has other issues, uh, all the cleansing of the world, uh, all religious blessings in the world Um, aren't gonna do a whole lot if someone keeps inviting things back in Yeah, that wasn't unfortunate.
Uh, one of our residential cases, we were working with uh, the homeowner had a autistic child who I'm pretty sure didn't know the difference between You know, uh, the type three being his friend and not actually being his friend So we went and cleans the house. It was very temporary. Uh, as soon as we laughed I'm pretty sure he's like, oh, no, no, no, it's okay. Come back in And that's one thing that and I think you guys have noticed as well.
Um, a lot of these really dark, malevolent evil demonic type three spirits Um, will often focus on somebody who's a little challenged, um, a little special They always pick a weak his person? Yeah, that they kind of either either So I'm screwed pretty much. I wasn't gonna say it, but yeah pretty much they tried once once Um, but they usually will uh focus on if there's somebody in the house who's got Who's not the sharpest knife in the drawer who maybe have some Well, and I might even say I mean someone that might be having some issues in that way, but it could be someone that um Might even just be really down on their luck and just very very vulnerable I was I was about to go there Someone who maybe just as average as anybody else who's just going through a really rough time in life because you know, they lost their job And their marriage is falling apart and you know, you name that the issues Um, and that can be kind of open the door for them to come in and just kick them while they're down so to speak Um health problems have been another thing that we've noticed. We had a very sweet woman Uh in the Salt Lake Valley, a little lady who had a- This would be the one that I scared to pieces?
Yes, this would be the one that you terrified. Um, you know, you've got demons in your house? I was trying to be tactful. In case you didn't know, they're demons in here.
This is why we came up with a naming system of type one, two and three because they sport elderly lady with health problems Um, and you've out Catholic, uh, the end mentioned demons in the sport lady thought that uh Her world had come apart. Um, it was being dragged to health. I don't know. And she had just a little mini type three hanging out in her house, but it was negatively affecting her health.
In fact, the really interesting thing about that particular case is after we got rid of the spirits in her home, um, We went back. She asked if we'd come back and just double check the home. What was it about a month later? I think two or three weeks later.
Three weeks later. We went back and her health had taken a dramatic swing for the better. Yeah, no, see, I didn't go back the second time, but the first time she could hardly walk and She spent most of the time sitting and- Yeah, she couldn't stand for more than a few minutes. Uh, just got really tired.
I mean, it was almost an effort for her to talk. And after we went back a couple weeks later, after we had cleansed the house, she was walking around, laughing, talking. I mean, she was completely revitalized for lack of a better term. And so these things can affect health as well.
Mental health, physical health. And again, they'll prey on like Tim was saying the one client we had about the Functionally Autistic Sun that that spirit had basically convinced this kid that it was his buddy. That was actually very interesting case. Got some of my best EV piece from that case.
Besides the fact that they were moving the cameras in the home while we were there. I'm calling you an asshole. Yeah, I was gonna say I'm in reverse. That was awesome.
They might have been accurate on that one. Actually, they lie lost. Maybe I'm not an asshole. No, no, they weren't lying on this day.
They were being pretty honest. Sometimes they're brutally honest. And I think this is one of those occasions. They just didn't think I was gonna catch it because they said it backwards.
That was a house that we actually helped. But then again, it wasn't more than how long do you think after we- Well, the next day. We went back a second time. You went back a second time.
I think it was like a couple weeks later. Because this actually happened right about the same time with the other house you were just talking about, the other lady. They were within the same weekend. And I think we ended up going back to her house.
It's my friend's house before. And you guys, we went back out to the other lady's house. But basically her son had invited it back in. And so it- Yes, she told me like the very next day after you guys were there.
Stuff just went crazy. Yeah. And so that's the one downside to trying to battle these type of spirits. Is if there's somebody there inviting them back in, there's not a whole lot you can do.
We had another home that we did where everybody in the house was on board with getting the cleanse and both brandy's. And I noticed it too. There was one individual in the home who his heart was not in the cleansing at all. And they've consistently had problems.
It wasn't just the brandy's that noticed. I noticed it as well. I think there were a couple of people who were just kind of like- As soon as we left the house, we were just like, it's not going to work. You can just go through the motions.
So you remember, I don't think any of you were there. But you remember the one I did recently, nice thing in the picture with the type two out in front of that department building? It was a lady and her boyfriend. And you could tell that the boyfriend was not on board with anything.
And so I haven't heard back from her. And I'm interested. To know. And with all these cases, I'm talking about these- I don't even want to use the term failed cases because they weren't failed cases.
But there are countless cases where we've one and done. You go and you deal with it. It's over. But there have been some ugly and persistent cases where there's usually something or someone who is hanging on to whatever it is that you're trying to get rid of.
Going back to you talking about like they like to focus on like the week or people that have health issues or whatnot. I have noticed there's a couple of investigations we've done where they also try to focus on people that have not so much like a drinking problem, but they do like to drink a lot. There was a house we did where one of the people that was renting the home was he was drinking a beer when we walked in the door and he was drinking. He had a beer in his hand the entire night.
He's one that actually tried to challenge one of the type twos. You want to throw down? So yeah, that's we both did actually. Want to throw down?
No. So yeah, we personally none of us like I do occasionally enjoy a drink or two, but none of us will drink before an investigation or during an investigation for that reason. Just we feel that makes yourself more vulnerable and more open for something to kind of manipulate you. The same goes with drugs.
Like I had someone I told a friend of mine about what Peaches can do, her abilities, and his first response was, has she ever tried dropping acid and then doing it? And I'm like, no, that's just stupid. It sounds like an amazingly bad idea. So yeah, don't get high.
Don't get drunk and then investigate. That's just asking for bad. Well, in reality, if you're if you use drugs on a regular basis, if you use alcohol on a regular basis, it's not always going to do this, but it can potentially open a door if your problems bad enough. It could be just a wedge that something needs to enter in.
You know, there's a lot of people who drink and there's a lot of people who use drugs will never have a problem, but they're for some, it's just what it needs to grab hold and become a problem. I enjoy a drink or two every now and then. I'm going to throw this out there and I really don't have a super opinion either way, so just take this with a grain of salt. But of the cases we've done where there has been a type 3 slash demonic entity very rarely has there not been lots of alcohol or lots of dead air.
There's been lots of it. A lot of alcohol or a lot of smoking. And I'm not saying that that causes it, but it's just been an interesting fact. And saying if there hasn't been, there's usually some other underlying problem.
Yeah, something that's not as obvious. But and usually for the most part we're pretty able to pinpoint what it is before too long. And Brandy has a tendency to figure that stuff out quicker than the rest of us. As far as what's kind of going on behind the scenes.
I don't know if the ghosts and the home are paddling on their homeowners or in some cases. Yeah, some others. I just have a really unique ability in order to read people very quickly within the first few minutes of meeting them and can tell what kind of person they are. And most of the time in it's amazing we're friends.
And most of the time, like if I get with Tim over here, he has a few friends and I can tell them what kind of person they are. And he'll usually tell me, yeah, that's basically what kind of, you know, for more lack of a bit of a visit there. That kind of a person. It's just something that I have.
And I'm very observational. I have things out of the people don't. So you and I can read people too, but not quite a level that you can. But we should probably call it an episode where we've been a little longer than we normally do.
You normally read people after you go right words on their forehead. Stupid. So I promised a piece of equipment to my Red Velvet winner. And I have gotten in contact with him and I've not forgotten you.
I just, I went to order it and it's back ordered. So be patient. It's still coming. What are our lucky winner yet?
A laser grid. A laser grid pointer. I'm just again, don't forget we are doing an indiegogo. We want to get a better computer for recording because my kids, we take theirs and it's kind of a pain strip that is assembled the whole thing.
And you're taking this awesome. They're very sad. I would be sad. It's an old game, but it's actually kind of fun.
And so please go check out the indiegogo. We've got prizes. We've got things. Also check out some of the other shows.
Radio Ronan, obviously that's a flagship show. Bacon Cell, Greg's Guide. Are you going to mention the new members also? So new member status?
Oh, we are still working on new members. So we brought in Alika. Oh, speaking of Cleaseless House and I know that we can already touched on that. She brought her obelisk five to Cleaseless House and it was literally spitting out relevant words all night long.
If I actually the most convincing, the most convincing evidence I've ever seen from the obelisk from Cleaseless and maybe I'll remind me on our next show on the Earth is here and we talked about it for a fact. Like two and a half months. Yeah, something like that. October 2017.
Just kidding. No, we should be out again in two weeks if all goes according to plan. But yeah, it was spinning out all kinds of relevant words to what it was we were doing or whatnot. So we brought on Alika.
Nate Alder has also joined us as a part-time member. And we are looking at maybe one or two more. And so that's where, oh, we brought on Chris. What is Chris's last thing?
I've never met Chris. I've never met Chris. Chris Harley. Chris Harley.
Probably like motorcycle. Okay. I've never met Chris. I'm all just trusting your old judgment.
He's cool. So, okay. Other than that, what other podcasts did I miss? Well, you know what I've actually been doing?
Disney Landy. One of the ones that I've been enjoying is the one cast. Level 22, Bacon Cell. Should I just go down to this?
Well, and then, or can I mention, Bob Bash? So, Kenny D is... Or Bash Music. Bash Music.
I actually started listening to that recently and it's really good. I think you should definitely check that one out if you enjoy like the EDM like house type music. And then Kenny D is actually on TV now with his movie reviews. Oh, what channel?
I don't remember. Oh, go and turn on your TV. Look for Kenny. He's on there somewhere.
I think it was channel 13 or K-Jazz. It was on his Facebook page though. If you're interested, go look at my Facebook page. If you haven't yet, go like our Facebook page.
You can follow us on Instagram. I try and post things when we do investigations. I'm not always the best at it. But at Wisp Utah, have I missed anything?
I don't think so. Okay. We will be back in two weeks again. Sorry for the delay in shows, but Dan won't spend time with the feminine Easter.
I did. I think you missed the ball joke about you and having cancer and going bald because nobody on your Facebook page at all has mentioned that. Yeah, I did mention the whole cancer thing. And what's going to happen with that is on April 20th, I meet with a 2020 huh?
Yeah, that's a good thing we get dragged up. You know that Taylor's birthday. Nice. Thanks, Tim.
We're in April 24 me. I just enjoy history. I am going to go meet with a surgeon on April 25th and find out what my different options are. Okay, your boss off.
It's not that kind of cancer. Right, old spreading. Hey, I didn't say it was that kind of cancer either. I was just, you know, maybe your doctor's not the one you should be trusting.
Enter your belly button like, no, like no lap or smile. When probably the doctor's office and there's dogs in there, you're in the wrong office and you might actually lose your balls. If there's dogs in the doctor's office, I'm turning around leaving because I don't like the whole event. Oh, that's a precious.
I mentioned taking up I can put a couple balls in me. We do that right now. We probably could. And there's a trench in my front yard for community.
I'm not going to stick into a canal and let them suffer. Or that. All right, everybody have a good night. Thanks for listening and we'll be back in two weeks.
We might be back in two weeks. We'll see. Don't you just ask me. I'll do what I want.
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