EPISODE · Aug 6, 2026 · 45 MIN
Measuring Enneagram Change: The Enneagram Prison Project & Research Design
from International Enneagram Association Podcast
In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we listen to the second part of a conversation led by Laura Baker, Jack Killen and the late-David Daniels, who are part of The Brain Group – a collaboration consisting of Laura, Jack, David, Denise Daniels and Dan Siegel. Jack talks about the Enneagram Prison Project with researcher Laura Baker, Susan Olesek researcher Laura Baker, Susan Olesek (EPP founder), and program ambassadors Alex Senegal and Thomas Papa. This research and development project uses the Enneagram to inspire transformation. As they explore the project’s real results, they ask how they can measure the experience and how do they develop a protocol? Alex and Thomas share how the Enneagram changed their self-awareness and choices after their release.Connect with us:Web: internationalenneagram.orgIEA Enneagram Experience 2025: ieaexperience.comJoin the email list: [email protected] Baker:Web: dornsife.usc.edu/laurabakerphdLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/laura-baker-8531788Enneagram Prison Project:Web: enneagramprisonproject.orgJack Killen:LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jack-killen-m-d-5686792bDan Siegel:Web: drdansiegel.comWeb: mindsightinstitute.comFacebook: Dr. Dan SiegelDenise Daniels:Web: drdaviddaniels.comDavid Daniels:Web: drdaviddaniels.comBook: Personality and Wholeness in Therapy: Integrating 9 Patterns of Developmental Pathways in Clinical Practice by Daniel J. Siegel and PDP Group – Laura Baker, David Daniels, Denise Daniels and Jack KillenSeth "Creek" Creekmore: IG: @_creekmorePod: Fathoms | An Enneagram PodcastPod: Awareness to Action Enneagram PodcastPod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. BLindsey Marks:IG: @lindseyfaithdmPod: Fathoms | An Enneagram PodcastLee Fields:Web: enneagrammatic.comIG: @enneagrammaticSeth Abram:IG: @integratedenneagramPod: Fathoms | An Enneagram PodcastFlemming Christensen:Web: flemmingchristensen.comTrainings: flemmingchristensen.com/trainingThe Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.htmlBook: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters”IG: @flemmingchristensencomFB: Flemming ChristensenLinkedIn: Flemming Christensen
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Jack Killen, Laura Baker, and Susan Olesek talk about turning the Negan Prison Project's real results—measurable drops in recidivism—into science that can actually scale. Formerly incarcerated participants Alex Senegal and Thomas Papa describe how the Enneagram changed their self-awareness and choices after release.
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