Meet the Press NOW — April 14

Welcome to Meet the Press. Now I'm Ellie Zone in Washington, and we begin with breaking news as Capitol Hill is rocked by new and disturbing allegations of assault and rape against embattled former Congressman Eric Swalwell, as both parties are dealing with misconduct investigations by their members. Swallow's resignation from Congress was made official just moments ago on the House floor. Swallow announced his resignation last night, which was filed less than an hour later by Republican Congressman Tony Gonzalez, announcing his retirement amid fallout from the fairy Heather with an A, who later died by suicide.

Both men calling it quits as they were facing investigation by the House Ethics Committee. Swallow's resignation coming after allegations surfaced from multiple women, including a former staffer, of sexual misconduct ranging from inappropriate text messages to rape. Today, another woman came forward accusing Swalwell of drugging, raping, and choking her in 2018. I believe he drugged my drink.

I only had one glass of wine. He we were supposed to go to a political event, and he said he needed to get paperwork from his hotel room. When I arrived at his hotel room, I was already incapacitated, and I couldn't move my arms or my body. He raped me and he choked me.

And while he was tricking me, I lost consciousness and I thought I died. Swallow's attorney just released a statement saying, in part, Congressman Eric Swallow categorically and unequivocally denies each and every allegation of sexual misconduct and assault that has been leveled against him. These accusations are false, fabricated, and deeply offensive. A calculated and transparent political hit job designed to destroy the reputation of a man who has spent 20 years in public service.

We should note that Swalwell did apologize for what he called mistakes in judgment in his resignation announcement. House Speaker McConson and Minority Leader Hakim Jeffrey today both responding to Swalwell's decision to leave office. I do. I mean, the, you know, my views have been made known about the terrible allegations that were made and obviously the facts that they both admitted to.

And it was appropriate. He made the right decision. The allegations against Swala, who was a 2020 presidential candidate, a Trump this weekend, a cop candidate for governor in California, have rattled others on Capitol Hill. That includes Senator Ruben Gallego, who was close friends with Swalwell and chaired his 2020 presidential campaign.

Gallego today responding to questions about what he knew and when Eric Swallow lied to all of us, he lied to the most powerful people in this country, and they trusted him. They trust him. Some most sensitive spots in our government where there was an administrative committee in subcommittee impeaching Donald Trump and that clouded my judgment, my friendship with him, our family's friendship together with him clouded my judgment. And I was wrong.

I deeply, deeply regret that. I also had no knowledge of predatory behavior, sexual assault or harassment. NBC News chief Capitol Hill correspondent Ryan Nobles joins me now, along with NBC's Camila Bernal in Los Angeles and NBC News legal analyst Misty Maris. Ryan, I do want to start with you over on Capitol Hill.

It's just been quite a stunning a few days over on Capitol Hill. Let's start with Eric Swalwell, though, and his resignation. What specifically led it to his decision to step down. Walk us through all of that.

It just became just a mountain of accusations against him and an unbelievable pressure campaign that just seemed to be too much for Swalwell to handle. And there was a very concerted effort here, one that I think was real, but like to pair the beginning of an ethics investigation with a potential expulsion resolution, that there was always a chance that that expulsion resolution may have been tabled pending the results of that ethics investigation. But it seemed as though, especially given the fact that there was also a Republican expulsion mention, a potential expulsion resolution connected to Republican Trump, that you compare with it, that there might have been enough support for that expulsion measure just to go through. And it became clear that Swalwell just did not want to deal with that anymore.

So instead of going through that whole process, especially given the fact that he was not coming back to his congressional seat under any circumstance at the end of this term, Swalwell just decided to end everything today, effectively ending that congressional ethics investigation, but certainly not ending the legal trouble he is now facing. Yeah, no doubt, Ryan allegations against him seem to be impacting some of his fellow Democrats, specifically those who have a close to him. What can you tell us? You know, up until about the middle of last week, there were many Democrats that were still rushing to the defense of Swalwell.

You'll remember that there was a social media influencer campaign that for weeks, maybe even months, had been floating the idea of these rumors connected to Swalwall and his misconduct. But they've yet to reveal any specific information. During that period of time, many of his fellow Democrats rushed to his defense, including Arizona Senator Ruben Gallego. Well, today Gallego actually, after calling for him to be expelled right before Swalwell resigned, said over and over again in a very tense 40 minute press conference that he'd been lied to by Eric Swalwell.

And he admitted that Swalwell's misdeeds because of their close connection could impact his political future. Listen, this back and forth. You have future political admissions. How can people trust you to run for higher office if you didn't know that your best friend was engaging in inappropriate behavior?

Look, I mess up. I'm human. I trusted this man. I trusted him to watch my children.

I would watch his children. He knew that I just gone through the most bruising campaign where I was accused of being a mule for the cartel, where my kids were subjected to TV commercials about what an awful communion I was. And he knew how to prey on that. And I was a loyal friend to someone that just was not loyal to me.

Of course Gallego has flirted with the idea of being running for president in 2028. He's visited some of the early states. He doesn't back down the speculations surrounding it. But there is a growing campaign of people asking questions about Gallo's association with Swalwell.

He made it clear today he knew nothing of his alleged misconduct and was completely taken aback when he learned the details from some of accusers. No. Yeah. I assume those questions not going away anytime soon.

Camila, I remember you in this conversation here in California right now. That's where the latest woman came forward today with some accusations. Walk us through all of that. Yeah.

So the accusations were obviously very disturbing and very graphic to hear the accuser today saying it essentially was a relationship that she thought was a friendship. They had met through social circles because she had a business, she was a model here in Los Angeles, and she thought she could get some help from Eric's wall. While. And essentially what happened was after two social encounters, she says there was a third encounter.

And it was in that third encounter where she believes she was drugged and choked. And she said she essentially felt like she died. And what's important here is that they want a criminal investigation in all of this. The attorneys today saying, look, when you lose your job in Congress, that's not accountability.

So they want to see this criminal investigation because they believe that that's how they will get justice in. And the accuser admitting that, yes, it took a long time for her to come forward because it happened in 2018, but saying that she does have evidence, that she has the text messages, she has that photo with him. She told other people she also saw a therapist. So they believe they have a substantial case against Eric Stalwell.

And so we'll see what happens moving forward. But they already went to the LA County Sheriff's Department to try to get that ball rolling, essentially, in terms of the investigation, and we'll see how this all develops, but specifically they want that criminal investigation. And Camilla, I need to ask, what is the timeline on that investigation? Do we know what that could potentially look like?

We don't, because first there has to be a report that's made by the LA Sheriff's Department, and then it's something where the DA will decide if this is something they want to charge and prosecute in the future. So we don't have an exact timeline. And the attorney said if none of this works out, then we might consider civil action as well. But they are primarily focused on the criminal part of all of this first, and then they'll see how this all develops, because I did ask, you know, what is the goal or what do you want?

And they're not exactly sure what that looks like, other than the fact that they want authorities to investigate this and see this as something criminal. And right now, get to this other resignation that just happened today. Tony Gonzalez, he's a Republican from Texas. What kind of pressure was he facing to step down?

Well, it turned out that the Swalwall allegations put an even brighter spotlight on Tony Gonzalez. He was already facing an enormous amount of pressure to leave Congress. Initially, his plan was to stay through the balance of his term. But then once the drum beat of expulsion surrounding Swalwall started to pick up, it was almost immediately connected to Gonzalez as well.

And there was obviously kind of a political exit ramp here for those who didn't want to affect the margins in the House of Representatives between Republicans and Democrats. And the opportunity to vote yes on expulsion for both a Republican and a Democrat and not impact the margins seemed enticing, which was one of the reasons that he thought maybe this is something that could happen even before the ethics investigation went forward. Just like Swalwell, Gonzalez did not appear to want any part of the potential of being expelled from Congress before his term was up. So he just decided to call it quits on his career as well.

His career is effectively over at 11:59 tonight. Yeah. Just a remarkable turn of events over the last 24 hours. Ryan and Cattle Hill Camila in California, thank you both so much.

I do want to get some legal perspective now with our Misty Maris. Let's start with the new allegations against Wallwell in California. What is the statute of limitations here and what temporal charges could he face? So these allegations are from 2018.

So the statute of limitations is still in play on the criminal side and the civil side when it comes to criminal conduct, forcible rape, which would be the highest level charges and would fit the bill, if the accuser, which she said today in that press conference, were to be proved in court, there is no statute of limitations now that has been extinguished by the state of California, massive changes to the law in 2017. So just a year before she said the allegations took place for lesser sexual assault type offenses that could potentially be issued. The statute of limitations is 10 years. So still falling within that time frame to potentially investigate and ultimately charge on the criminal side and miss the accuser here.

Her name is Lana Drew. She said she did not file a police report in 2018 when the allergy break took place, but she did tell people close to her and says she recorded these events in her calendar. So from a legal perspective, talk to me about how important that potential corroborating evidence could be to the case. Anytime you have a case where you have a time that's lapsed significantly, there's going to be a lot of evidence that no longer exists, like medical treatment or video recordings.

So that is something that oftentimes comes down to in these cases, he said, she said. So corroborating evidence is key. And what she pointed to in that press conference was a handwritten calendar that she told friends around and family members around that time about these allegations and also therapy notes relating to treatment that she sought. Now all of that would be at play and something investigators will look at.

The closer in time to the actual alleged conduct, the more weight it would be given. But all of that is apparent because prosecutors don't do what he said, she said. Who's more credible? What prosecutors need to analyze is whether there's enough evidence to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt.

So anything to corroborate one side or the other is going to be imperative to that analysis. And they say her attorney says they are willing to cooperate with the Manhattan district attorney's office, who is also launching its own investigation into an alleged insult by Swallow from another woman. What do you make of that? Well, we're looking at allegations that are very similar.

And whenever you have that, there's going to be an analysis by investigators. And also ultimately, if there are criminal charges about patterns of conduct, we've seen this in other cases. So there could be sharing of information about what is received in the course of these investigations. And all of that could be at issue in both parallel investigations in New York and California.

So you're talking about investigations going on on the criminal side in two different states and then other allegations which are related to these unsolicited pictures and videos through Snapchat. That's a different story, but could still be relevant to the analysis in both jurisdictions as far as that pattern of conduct. Missy, thank you so much. With me now is Congresswoman Debbie Dingle, a Democrat from Michigan.

Congressman, thank you so much for joining us. I do want to start with these disturbing allegations against now former Congressman Eric Swalwell. I just want to get your reaction to his decision and more generally to this moment in Congress, because it really does feel like a reckoning on Capitol Hill. Well, it is a reckoning.

And what my reaction is is my reaction every time I hear allegations in actually see videos of sexual attacks and staffers placed in these kinds of positions. It's horrific. It shouldn't happen. We shouldn't tolerate it, and we have to make it safe for people to come forward and report what happened.

And I think that even the time for at least the time it took for some of this becomes public shows you that the MeToo moment wasn't as freeing as everybody felt and that there are consequences when you tell people what happened to you. And unfortunately, that's still a reality. So we're I'm glad that he had enough sense to resign so we didn't have to put the House through this and that Tony Gonzalez should have resigned when he admitted to having an affair with this effort who committed suicide by lighting herself on fire. Republicans should have done what Democrats to show the colleague, the member, that they will not tolerate this behavior.

But is it day of reckoning? I don't know. I've been living through a lot of things. I'm not old, but I'm seasoned.

I have many of my own stories where you would never dare come forward. And even when I asked for help, was told, deal with it or leave, we're not there anymore. We don't have to do that. But we still have not gone as far as we want and that behavior will still continue.

Soul of attorney says that the woman's allegations are fabricated and part of a, quote, calculated and transparent political hit job. What's your reaction to that suggestion that these women are lying? So I think the previous lawyer, the legal analyst that just preceded me, talked about patterns. It does sound like many of the women are reporting similar things that happen.

I do believe in due process, so that matters. But the congressman himself is admitting to mistakes that he made. People need to understand that when you're in this institution like this, you live in a fishbowl and that you have to live up to a higher standard. And somehow he put himself in a place to be that People have made these allegations.

I want to be clear, I never heard anything or I would have gone and confronted him when I did it. But I'm now hearing from probably more men than women that there were rumors out there for a while. So you know, people are entitled to due process, but I also think nobody has to put up with it and women are too scared to come forward. And I say you haven't heard the rumors, but do you believe that the Democratic leadership had zero idea about any of this given that you said there have been rumors circulating quite a while about him?

You know, I know this is. You would really be surprised at how everybody thinks that we all hear everything. But if you're somebody. I don't go out at night.

I don't. Since my husband died, I'm never dating again. I don't want to have any. So I work, I go to events and I work.

I think that they're a group of people that do talk to each other at night, try to help, relax, have social lives and. But I do believe leadership heard about it because I know them and I think if they had, they would have confronted it in the one person I know, if she had heard it would have decimated him and that's Nancy Pelosi. I do want to turn to the Anglo shutdown of the Department of Homeland Security. Congressional publicans are working to fund the department without Democratic votes.

Do you think Democrats need to reconsider some concessions in order to not leave the shutdown empty handed? Look, I'm going to tell you this point blank. We need guardrails for ice. It is inexcusable that the Republicans are still playing games and that TSA is not being funded.

Proposals have been put out there, the Senate has voted on them. That would fund the tsa, the Coast Guard prima which need to be done and Republicans are trying to put the blame on us. I think the American people think guard ICE needs guardrails. And when I went through TSA this morning to come back here, they all talk to me.

They are hurting, they are scared. Yes. They get partial payments, they're due, they're owed back pay. One of the CS agents said to me, I can't afford my school loans.

I mean we're organizing food banks. This is inexcusable. We should be. We should have been out.

We should have been here for the last two weeks. And we need to figure out how we're going to get people to keep us safe paid, period. And that's their responsibility as well as ours. But we also need G on ice.

You know, Republicans are talking about funding ICE and CBP and the bar agency now for three years through reconciliation. That would be no Democratic input for the rest of this Trump administration. Could that not be a worse outcome than if Democrats had come to the table and compromise? One, do you and I know that that reconciliation wish is even going to happen?

And two, if we win the House and Senate back, we are going to fight very hard to ensure that we aren't making the TSA and others are ping pong ball and all this, but to go back and undo damage that we are seeing starting with the big bad bill. Recently, NBC News did speak to some voters in Michigan about how they feel about the Democratic Party. Their assessment of the party heading into the midterms. I want to take a listen to some of what they said.

I'd like to know what are the key characteristics or traits that best describe today's Democratic Party. Subdued Paul, disjointed Cindy lacking Lucy mindless. I think the word that best describes it done right now is bruised. Those are some tough words.

Congresswoman, what do you make of that assessment and what do you think Democrats need to do in order to regain the confidence of the base? Look, I'm at times they called Debbie Downer in meetings because I tell people the truth, because I'm out there listening to those voters that were in your folks group and they're not afraid to tell me the same thing. We as Democrats have got to show people that we can deliver for them. They are worried about how much the groceries cost, what their gasoline prices are.

They want to see us fight for them and they want to see us deliver. We have to develop our plan of what we're going to deliver for them right away when we regain the house and then deliver on it. And we're also besides addressing affordability, we have to help fix the broken health care system and we've got to address the corruption that we are watching in government right now. Congressman, thank you so much.

Coming up, the latest in the war against Iran. President Trump says a new out of negotiations with Tehran could happen over the next two days in Pakistan as top US Israeli and Lebanese diplomats met here in Washington today. Plus, papacy and public policy Vice President J.D. ban's response to the president's extraordinary food feud with the poplio and the social media post that sparked backlash for depicting the president as a Christ like figure.

You're watching MEET THE PRESS now. Welcome back. Turning now to the world of Iran with the ceasefire deal between Washington and Tehran set to expire a week from today. With the clock ticking, a new round of in person talks between the US And Iran could be held as early as this week.

That according to two people familiar with the ongoing negotiations. President Trump also tells the New York Post that talks to happen over the next two days. Sources tell NBC News that opening administrative for news remains a major sticking point in negotiations and that during talks over the weekend, the US asked for a 20 year suspension of Iran's uranium enrichment, but Iranian officials would only agree to a three to five year suspension. Meanwhile, here in Washington, Secretary State Marco Rubio posted direct talks between Israeli and Lebanese officials their first 10 decades as Israel continues to strike targets in Lebanon tied to Iran's proxy Hezbollah.

Secretary Rubio saying that the talks today are more than just about a ceasefire between the two sides of history complexities that have led us to this unique moment and the opportunity to be honest with your shocking questions about ceasefires. This is about bringing a permanent end to 20 or 30 years of Hasbro influence in the part of the world. Joining me now from the White House is NBC's Kelly O' Donnell and NBC's chief foreign affairs correson Andrew Mitchell is here with me on set. Kelly, I do want to start with you over at the White House.

What more do we know about the next talks between the US And Iran and the Trump administration's demands of this negotiation? Well, as you outline, Mel, there is a new timeline that the President and his team are talking about and it gives us a sense of the urgency that they feel to keep conversation happening. And they are mindful that there is a deadline coming and that is the end of the ceasefire period on the 22nd. So that is a data point that can be critical in this because there is an expectation that if there isn't forward progress, what would that mean?

Would the US Resume hostile activity toward Iran? Would there be some other way to intervene? Those are outstanding questions. It's also clear that the issues are deep and there is a real divide.

When you consider that Iran views with such an intense fervor that it has to have some control over its own nuclear future and that the term that the United States would even consider 20 years at a minimum, with a lot of extenuating asterisks for specific parts of that program, that that's a non starter for Iran, for the US in a shorter term, non starter. So it gives you a sense that there is some distance here between these parties. That's not a surprise, but it just gives us a sense of how Challenging this could be. When the president talks about it being the next couple of days, if it is in fact going to be in Pakistan again, that's quite a considerable distance to travel.

So there should be signs coming if there are specific talks. At this point, we don't have time and place set, but kind of a window of opportunity, especially with the talks between Israel and Lebanon. It gives you a sense that diplomacy is kind of the moment right now. Is there room for conversation that could keep hostilities from ramping up again?

That's the big question. Is there something to talk about? Can they make progress? Big question indeed, Kelly, you get a sense that the administration feels like its blockade of Iran imports is an effective tool to ramp up pressure on Iran ahead of the next round of talks.

Well, you do get the sense of that. That seemed to be a tactic that the president came up with in progress here. That wasn't an intention of the early planning, at least not anything he described publicly. And by using the considerable resources that he placed into that part of the world to try to hold vessels that are coming out of Iranian ports to signal to those that they consider to be problematic that they cannot go past the US but it has limited the traffic substantially.

It is far from the kind of traffic through the straightforward moves that existed before this conflict began. So it is tamping down the hostility. It is perhaps a level of pressure on Iran because its economic capacity is affected by this, but so are many other countries. So that is a tension point that is certainly going to build with time.

Kelly o' Donnell thank you, Andrea. I want to turn to you. Kelly mentioned that there's a deep divide when it comes to the nuclear program. Is there even a deal to be made in this temporary time before it ceasefire actually ends?

No. There it would have to be an extension of the ceasefire. They could keep extending the ceasefire if they see if there's any progress. It took two and a half years at the table, plus a few years just to run up to that to get that joint plan of action, the jcpoa.

I was covering that in Vienna and Geneva and other places around Europe. So and that was being done by the secretary of State, John Kerry, and Gerard Zarif, the then foreign minister for Iran, as well as other ministers. You know, Ernie Medievals was our energy secretary and a nuclear physicist. There were a number of people, Wendy Sherman, the deputy secretary of state.

So they were. There was a large Arachi, by the way, who was now the top negotiator as well as the parliamentary speaker. He was the number Two in that delegation. It took years and years to reach those details.

And they had to concede that they were not going to get to missiles. It was just going to be the nuclear piece. And they did have a 15 year agreement and it was at very low level, 3.27%. Well, it was only after the Trump administration broke out of that agreement that a year or two later that Iran began to enrich up to 60%, which is very close to weapons rate and very alarming.

And it's only since June that there has been no inspections by the international Atomic energy experts. So there's been no eyes for the eight or nine months now on the nuclear facilities that the President said were obliterated in that 12 day war in June. But they still have that enriched uranium. They have to decide what to do with it.

Iran doesn't want to give up all enrichment. There are deals the US could be offering, and we understand they are to pay for the enrichment, to provide enriched uranium to Iran for medical and other civilian purposes. Iran is insisting that since they have signed the non proliferation treaty that they should be able to, should be allowed to enrich. There's going to have to be some give on that.

But there are two really tough issues. The nuclear deal experts believe. I've been talking to diplomats and military experts. There is a deal to be done, not quickly and the straight Hormuz is more complicated.

No doubt. There's all these talks in Washington day between Israeli and Lebanese officials. Secretary Rubio said he does hope that there could be a deal. I want you to go list with Israeli ambassadors to stay after that meeting.

What gives me hope is the fact that the Lebanese government made it very clear that they will no longer be occupied by Hezbollah. And Iran has been weakened. Hezbollah is dramatically weakened. This is an opportunity.

This is the first time our two countries are sitting together in over three decades. Let's feel the moment. Let's enjoy the moment. Now my question to you, Hendrik, if Hezbollah isn't at the table, is it even possible to get a deal?

There is a deal. There's a UN resolution. And the deal will involve Israel taking some territory and creating a buffer zone. Lebanon would probably agree to that.

It would be south of the Latani River. They would have to agree not to attack civ areas. But right now Israel is saying that the ceasefire does not apply to Lebanon, Pakistan and the others. Iran say that it should apply to Lebanon.

And Israel has been striking Lebanon, Beirut in the last couple of days fiercely with the most forceful attacks. And that is what international observers the UN and others say has to stop. Andrew Mitchell, thank you so much for your perspective. Up next, Acting Attorney General Top Blanch Meets the Press speaking to NBC News about the weaponization of the Justice Department, the FC files and much more.

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Welcome back. Department of justice released its first so called weaponization report today, alleging federal prosecutors in the Biden DOJ worked closely with outside groups that tracked anti abortion protesters. Ahead of the release of that report, at least four DOJ employees were fired, according to a person familiar with the firings. It comes amid renewed concerns about executive overreach at the Department of Justice, with President Trump's former personal attorney Todd Blanche now leading the agency.

After the president fired Kam Bondi, NBC News senior legal correspondent Laura Jarrett sat down for the acting attorney general who said Americans should be happy that the president is deeply involved at the Justice Department. Is the president calling the shots or is he acting attorney general calling the shots at headquarters? Well, I suppose I would ask you to define calling the shots because the president is the we can read Article 2 together. The Constitution.

It puts the power of the Executive in one man, and that's the President of the United States. So he is, he is my boss and he is every president is the Attorney General's boss from the time the Constitution was acted, at the time that attorney general was selected. And so who is calling the shots? I mean, I think everybody in this country knows and has known for 250 years that the President of the United States, when it comes to the executive, calls the shots.

You talk about success, but some of the cases, at least in the most controversial cases, the ones that get the headlines, the one that the president appears to care very deeply about, the record has been, has been taught for both Colleen James, the indictments get dismissed. The indictment against Congressman Adam Schiff that he called for, it never gets off the ground. The proven to the six Democratic lawmakers. The grand jury declines to indict.

A judge in D.C. tosses out a subpoena for Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell. That's bad news for the department. No.

Well, not bad news for the department. It means that we're working hard. Look, for one, some of those diamonds were dismissed on procedural grounds because the judge found the U.S. attorney wasn't properly in place.

So that's not a finding, a factual finding of whether there was probable cause or grand jury return indictments in those cases. Some of the investigations you spoke about are just that they're investigations and the that fact that the media picked up on them and drove a narrative, for one, it's not necessarily true and for two, it's their investigations. Joining me now is NBC News senior legal correspondent Laura Jarrett. Laura, thank you so much.

That was just an incredible interview and important interview. What else did you hear from the acting attorney general and what were some of the other major headlines? Hey. Hey, Mel.

It was a wide ranging interview. Sat down for about 30 minutes and covered quite a bit of ground just in terms of how is he thinking about his role. Remember, this is somebody who worked quite hard on behalf of the President, then running for office when he was indicted four different times. Todd Blanche in private practice at that point representing him here in the hush money case in New York.

And now he's occupying potentially the highest position at the Justice Department. And I asked him about that and asked him to really sort of drill down at how are you thinking about this role? Right. The president's face is plastered on the Justice Department's walls right now, Mel.

Right outside of it, you see a big banner with his face. And so I said how are you think thinking about this role? And he made it very clear he sees this as entirely at will. He can be hired, fired, he's happy to be there.

He essentially said, if I don't get the job, I'll still stay there and I'll still say I love you to the present. And so his loyalty is clear on this. And that really came through in the interview. It also came through just sort of how much he has been the leader by the Maxwell, Ghislaine Maxwell piece of what he had to do.

He had to go and talk to her in person. And also the entire Jeffrey Epstein investigation, it's been occupying a large amount of his time, Mel. He had to sort of be at the helm of all the document production. And he said he was horrified by the fact that some of the survivors, the victim's information was actually left unreacted.

He said it was a small percentage and it was a mistake, but he owned up to it and he said it was a big mistake. Now, Laura, thank you so much for that incredible reporting. After the break, Democrats face another special election test in New Jersey's 11th congressional district. Steve Kornacki has that big board written down what to watch for and results could mean for November's midterms.

Keep it here on MEET THE PRESS now. Welcome back. Voters in New Jersey's 11th district are about to head to the polls on Thursday for a special election in the race to replace now Governor Mikey Sherrill. Progressive Anna Lilia Mejia, who won a closely contested Democratic primary earlier this year, will face Republican Joe Hathaway as their house hope to continue the trend of overperforming in special elections this year.

Joining me now with more from the big board is NBC chief data analyst Steve Kornacki. Steve, talk to us about this over performance trend and how significantly would Magia need to win in order to add to it? Yeah, Mel, I mean the trend is very clear at this point. We've had a half a dozen congressional special elections, have special elections since Trump came back to the White House.

In all of them, Democrats have done double digits better than they did in the same districts in the 2024 presidential election. So this election in New Jers 11th District, which is going to be on Thursday, a strange date for election, I know, but it's going to be on Thursday this week just set the sort of backdrop for this. Mikey Sherrill, the current governor, she represented this seat. She obviously had to give it up to become governor.

It's a Democratic friendly district. In 2024, Kamala Harris, the Democratic candidate for president, won this district by nine Points. Now Mejia, the Democrat is pretty far to the left, endorsed by AOC Bernie Sanders. She's running against this Republican opponent here.

He's a suburban mayor in Morris county in a neutral political environment, not meeting a candidate as far to the left as Mejia might really be sort of testing the limits of a district like this for Democrats. But that's where these over performances that we're talking about come in. So keep that in mind here. A nine point win in this district for Kamala Harris in 2024.

These are the other special elections that we have seen now to the House since Trump came back to the White House. I mean look at this here. It started this is in April of last year, right? This is a district in Florida, a district that had voted for Trump by 37 points in 2024.

The Republican won a special election but only by 15. That was a 22 point shift in the Democrats direction. Right? Same day, different part of Florida, 30 point Trump district weren't won by the Republican by 14 at 16 point Democratic over four.

Here in Virginia was a district that Harrison won by 34. It's a Democratic district, much more Democratic in the special election. 50 points again, that's a 16 point shift here in 18 point shift, it's a 13 point shift. These are all the Democrats direction.

And then just last week in Georgia, again it's a 37 point Trump district. Republicans won but only by 12 to 25 point shift. The average shift that we've been seeing in these special elections is 18 points in the Democrats favor. So again, the backdrop to this election here in New Jersey, you're talking about nine.

That's what the Democrats want to buy. In 2024 the average shift has been 18. If this form holds on Thursday, the way we've seen every other, an absolute blowout for the Democrats. Now the question is, does that mean something for November?

What Republicans will say and Democrats to a point will agree on, is that at least some of this, a good part of this is a result of a turnout disparity between two parties. The Democratic base much more motivated to get out there and vote in any and every election right now than the Republican base. So in a lower turnout special election, that can sort of exaggerate the effects there, make these things look extra good for Democrats. But I think what Republicans have to worry about is this.

This was Trump's first term. This was House special elections in 2017 and 2018 leading to that 2018 midterm. We saw something similar back then, right? I mean these Were, for example, it's going back to 2017 nine years ago.

Here was a district that Trump won by 27 points in the 2016 election. In the special election, the Republicans only won it by, you were seeing there were a couple exceptions here, but you were seeing similar shifts back then. And of course, what did that produce in 2018? That was the blue wave midterm.

Democrats gained 40 seats and they won the House. Wow. Fascinating stuff, Steve, thank you as always. And we'll be right back with more MEET THE press.

Now. Stay with us. Welcome back. As the president refuses to apologize for his rebuke of poplio Vice President J.D.

vance, the highest ranking Catholic government has been left trying to downplay the tensions between the pontiff and the president. We can respect the pope. We certainly have a relationship with the Vatican, but we're also going to disagree on substantive questions from time to time. I think it's a totally reasonable thing.

It isn't particularly newsworthy. I certainly think that in some cases it would be best for the Vatican to stick to matters of morality, to stick to matters of, you know, what's going on the Catholic Church and let the United States stick to dictating American public policy. Meanwhile, on Capitol Hill, some Catholic Republicans urged the president to use more caution with his rhetoric. It's never really a good look for politicians across or to pope, very seldom as well.

I found the president's comments to be offensive and he needs to stop treating the pope as if he were a political rival in America. Joining me now is our all star panel, Tia Mitchell, Washington BRG for the Atlanta Journal Constitution, Adrian Elrod, former senior advisor to the Harris Waltz campaign and Sarah Chamberlain, president and CEO of the Republican Main Street Partnership. Ladies, thank you so much for joining me today. Tia, I do want to start with you and I gotta start with this pope drama.

Trump is continuing to dig in. Today he attacks the Italian prime minister. What do you think of that? Is there a strategy here or do you think it's just classic Trump?

Yeah, because classic Trump going on after a perceived enemy, going after someone he believes was undermining his message on the war. But I thought it was interesting in that clip he just showed the vice president when he said, you know, the pope should stick to issues of morality. Well, the decision of whether to go to war, put human lives at risk, possibly cost, you know, have loss of life is a question of morality. And most presidents have expressed struggling with that very thing.

So I don't think it's, you know, it's not outside of the Bounds of what you expect a modern day Pope to weigh in on. I think usually the President lets the Pope have his opinion and moves on. We just don't have that type of president right now. Now, he did delete a post that he initially posted depicting himself as Jesus.

Perhaps an acknowledgment that was in poor taste, but he said he thought he was a doctor in the photos. He said he didn't think it was depicting him as Christ. Sarah, Dubai that no, nobody thinks he was a doctor. I'm sorry, I'm the Republican here and I have to.

But no, he tried to be Jesus Christ which is why it is not removed. And understand there was a little bit of amount in the White House when he did it. He's removed and they're hoping to move on from that picture. Did you hear people just that they didn't know he done it and they were just, they were not happy.

A lot of members of Congress weren't happy. A lot of the mega people were not happy. There's a lot of Catholics who support the President and we don't need him pretending he's Jesus Christ. On that note, he did get a lot of Catholic supporters.

Do you think that could hurt his standing, erode some of his supporters with some Republicans? Absolutely. There are a lot of Republicans who are Catholics and that's a bit offensive. So we're glad he took it down and we're hoping he moves on from that picture.

Adrian, something else that was notable was Riley Gaines. She's a conservative commentator. She came out against this only for the President to then say he wasn't a fan of her. But then she said she's going to still support him.

So should Democrats sort of temper their expectation here in terms of how to impact the base? I think we have to look at the overall picture here. I mean these are self inflicted wounds that President Trump is doing. He didn't have to, to tweet this picture.

He didn't have to go after the Pope. And to the point that you made, I mean I think it's something like 65, 60 voted for Trump. I mean I'm not sure that's it. That's what I read the whole things.

He's, it's like he's trying to lose the terms. It's like he's trying to ensure that either J.D. vance or Marco Rubio is not whoever he appoints or endorses is not going to become president. 2028.

These are all self inflicted wounds. And you know, I go back to Clinton's campaign from start in 2016. I was on President Biden's campaign in 2020. We warn Americans he is unhinged.

He does not have a temperament to be president. Something we've been saying for a long time. And you're seeing this play out time and time again in real life. He does go after, you know, going after the pope and trying to perceive him as a domestic political enemy.

And this is probably the only time I'm going to agree with Susan Collins. But I thought her statement was very accurate where she said he needs to try stop treating the pope. Pope like a domestic political rival. He is the Pope.

He trumps, no pun intended, he trumps Trump, especially the eyes of pretty much every Catholic. This is coming as the Republicans are trying to talk about the tax bill and the taxpayer visits tax filing season. They're doing this big event on Capitol Hill tomorrow. It's just like another example of how this is overshadowing and overstepping on their own message.

T. I do want to turn to this other story on Capitol Hill. We saw back to back recognitions first from Democrat Eric Swalwell, then from Republican Tony Gonzalez. It was just a remarkable turn of events, especially for Swellow.

These allegations didn't come out and initially until Friday. Are you surprised how quickly things happened? Well, not given what the allegations were. I think, you know, particularly that he was accused not just of, you know, acting inappropriately, as bad as that was, but accused of sexual assault, accused of criminal activity.

And again, he says he's innocent and, you know, we'll see if they're, you know, that's a high bar. But I think people were shocked at what came out. I think they might have also been shocked at how many women were coming out. And then they're hearing that there's more to come.

And I think a lot of Democrats were like, we gotta put a stop to this. And I think that also the fact that there was like a one on one, one Republican, one Democrat, I think all the rank and file members, the 435 are like, hey, we're ready to get rid of both of them. Do you think Gonzalez would have resigned had it not been for all this wallow stuff blowing up? Maybe not.

I think again, because for Mike Johnson, there was also a numbers game involved there. But I think it made it easier when it was like there's one of each. So it kind of comes out in a wash because I really do think that rank and file members of both parties were long ready to get rid of Tony Gonzalez. You know, notwithstanding the math problem for Speaker Johnson, and then quickly felt the same way about Eric Swalwell.

So it was easy to kind of make them a package deal. But I did not see Republicans coming out really insane. Godzilla needs to resign until Swalwell get your kick out. I think that's a bad look for Republicans.

It's not great. I mean, Tony Gonzalez, for full disclosure, was a Republican Main Street Partnership member until two years ago. There's other, other things about him that they removed him from Main Street. So we were not surprised to see this.

He needed to resign. Just have a question. He was working with Main street based on. Mr.

Allegations. Other allegations. There's just other allegations that the members of Congress came to us and they removed him from Main Street. You know, on that topic, this is something we've been talking about on Capitol Hill.

It seems like some people at least were aware of the rumors of Eric Swalwell on Capitol Hill. It was something that was whispered about in Democratic circles. Do you think there's more responsibility for Democratic colleagues to have come out or questioned Swalwell or done more to raise this as potentially. I mean, I don't know.

I don't want to get into heads of different members of Congress about what shouldn't have happened. But the bottom line is I've known Eric Swallow for a long time. I was absolutely shocked, along with a sea of many other people to see these allegations come out. You know, it's one thing to hear a rumor here or there about, you know, something that is not, you know, nearly as intense as what we've seen come out.

The bottom line is this. People should just, if you're going to serve an election, you're a human being, elected office, you know, keep it to yourself, keep on straight in there, do not have relations with your staff, do not, you know, rape or sexually assault. It. It is disgusting.

There's no place for it in politics. There's no place for it anywhere. But certainly on politics, and this transcends political boundaries, whether you're Democrat or Republican, independent, whatever party affiliation you are. We have no tolerance for this.

And I do want to apply Leader Pelosi, Leader Jeffries, a lot of 16 Democratic leadership for saying absolutely no, Eric, you have to go, you need to resign. You need to not run for governor and ideally resign for Congress. And at least he did that. Do you think that Ruben Gallo, Senator, Arizona, was really close to Swalwell?

This could impact his 2028 political ambitions, given that he was so close to Swalwell, you know, it's hard to tell. He did come out preforcefully today, his own little press gavel and, you know, sort of confronted some of those issues head on. But look, here's the bottom line. This should be a warning to anyone.

I don't care who is thinking about running for president, who's thinking about running for elected office. If you have any skeletons like this in your closet, don't do it because people will find out as they should. You'll be investigated and you'll be prosecuted as full as extent. And T, I want to ask you really quickly, do you see all this as a sign that Congress is now more willing to police itself, or do you think this may have been just like a special case?

I think it ebbs and flows with the times. You know, I don't want to give them too much credit because we went through the Me Too movement and there was all this, you know, energy about believing women, trusting women. And then, you know, we've seen examples where that wasn't always the case. So today, this week, yes, there is progress.

We'll see if it stands. TF thank you so much, ladies. Thank you so much. We're back tomorrow with more MEET THE PRESS now.

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