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I'm Kristen Welker. We are keeping a close eye on developments out of Arizona and the search for Nancy Guthrie, the mother of our friend and NBC News colleague Savannah Guthrie. Our hearts, our prayers are with the whole Guthrie family as authorities say no suspect has been identified four days after her disappearance. We will have much more on that coming up shortly.

But we do want to begin here in Washington with President Trump sitting down for an exclusive interview with my NBC News colleague Tom Yannis as the White House faces backlash over its immigration crackdown and its handling of the economy. The president reacting to his administration's announcement today that it is withdrawing 700 federal officers from Minnesota and making a rare acknowledgement that his approach in Minneapolis may have missed the mark. Take a listen to part of that conversation. Okay, let's drill down into the news today.

That big change on immigration, 700 officers leaving Minneapolis. Did that come from you? Yes, it did. But it didn't come from me because I just wanted to do it.

We are waiting for them to release prisoners. Give us the murderers that they're holding and all of the bad people, drug dealers, all of the bad people. We allowed in our country, I say 25 million people with an open border policy for four years under Biden and that group, the auto pen group, I call them. We allowed to come into our country people, the likes of which no country would accept.

And we're getting them out. But we've gotten a lot of them out. So crime now in Minnesota, crime now in Minneapolis is down. Crime in all cities is down.

Down because of us. It's down in Chicago by 25% despite the fact that we are always dealing with these people and they happen to be Democrats. Speaking of, they don't know anything about crime prevention. Mr.

President, speaking of Minneapolis, what did you learn? I learned that maybe we can use a little bit of a softer touch, but you still have to be tough. These are criminals. We're dealing with really hard criminals.

But look, I've called the people. I've called the governor. I've called the mayor, spoke to them, had great conversations with them. And then I see them ranting and raving out there, literally as though it was made.

An extraordinary acknowledgement there by President Trump. Tom also asked the president about his new pick to lead the federal reserve, Kevin Warsh, as questions swirl about the central bank's independence amid increased pressure from the White House to lower interest rates. Take a listen to that part of the exchange. Let's get to the Fed.

Is there any doubt in your mind that interest rates are going to be lowered? Not much. Why? How can you say that?

I just think they're going to be lowered. They should your new Fed pick on board with that. We're way high. OK, we're way high in interest.

We have now with me and with all the money. I've always been good at money. And with all the money coming into our country, we're a rich country again. We have debt, but we also have growth.

And the growth will soon make the debt look very small because it's the greatest way. You have two ways. You can cut, cut, cut. And we do that anyway.

And we did that. You know, we got rid of hundreds of thousands of federal workers and those workers went out and got themselves jobs in the free enterprise system. And you know what? That's called making America great again.

We had 10 workers in the federal government for every single job. When the Democrats go in, they hire. I could right now give you the best employment numbers in history. You know what I'd do?

Go out and hire 2 million people, put them in the federal government. Does your new Fed pick understand that you want to lower interest rates? I think he does, but I think he wants to anyway. I mean, if he came in and said, I want to raise it.

If he said that, he wouldn't have gotten the job. He would not have gotten the job. No. There you have it.

And joining me now, fresh off his interview is NBC Nightly News anchor Tom Yannis. Tom, congratulations. This is full of headlines. And I want to pause on the president's comments saying what he learned is that he thinks they can take a softer touch in Minneapolis.

I thought it was a remarkable admission by President Trump. It's the furthest we have heard him go, quite frankly, in terms of acknowledging that something has to change in Minneapolis. What did you make of that part of your exchange in your interview overall? From what he told us and what it sounded like, he learned something from what happened in Minneapolis to Americans had died.

The tactics were being protested. And it's not just about what's happening in Minneapolis. From what he told us in our interview, and you'll see more of it tonight on Nightly News and the full interview will air here on on NBC News now. But they're going to change enforcement tactics throughout the country.

He only wants to work in states where the governors and the mayors want to work with him if they called him. That's what he told me. And that has not been the case. He's been going to cities that are obviously blue cities or blue states.

And there has been some trouble. We saw obviously Minneapolis in Los Angeles as well. So he's changing tactics there. He did make it a point to say he still has full confidence in Christine Noem.

There's going to be no change at the top of the DHS. There was a change in Minneapolis. He's very happy with what Tom Home is doing. Well, I thought it really pushed that part of the conversation forward.

There's been so much focus on his ICE tactics. So that was hugely significant. The other, there were a lot of significant moments, but another one related to Iran. There are a lot of questions about what's going to happen next in Iran.

You pressed him on this, Tom. What was your key takeaway? We wanted to get a firm understanding of why the armada was headed to Iran. The president said time and time again that our B-52 bombers obliterated Iran's nuclear program.

So the question then becomes, why the urgency now? Why do we need to go over to Iran now? And why are we threatening military action? Here's what he told me.

Should the supreme leader in Iran be worried right now? I would say he should be very worried, yeah. He should be. As you know, they're negotiating with us.

I know they are, but the protesters have said, you know, where are the Americans? You promised them we would have their back. Do we still have their back? Well, we've had their back.

And look, that country is a mess right now because of us. We went in, we wiped out their nuclear. So I didn't take out a piece of the Middle East. If I didn't take out their nuclear, think of it.

If we didn't take out that nuclear, we wouldn't have peace in the Middle East because the Arab countries could have never done that. They were very, very afraid of Iran. They're not afraid of Iran anymore. We wiped out those beautiful B-2 bombers, the ones right over there, those beautiful models.

Those beautiful B-2 bombers went in and they hit their target every single bomb and obliterated it. And because of that, they're going to have a nuclear weapon within one month. Within one month, they're going to have a nuclear weapon. That was a big threat.

They're not going to have it anymore. But now, if you wait, what's the deal about it? I mean, if there's no more, are they trying to restart the nuclear program? Well, I heard that they are.

And if they do, and I let them know, if they do, we're going to send them right back and do their job again. So you're understanding they tried to restart it and that's why you're threatening force. They tried to go back to the site. They weren't even able to get near it.

There was total obliteration. But they were thinking about starting a new site in a different part of the country. We found out about it. I said, you do that, we're going to do worse things to you.

So the president telling us about some of the plans there in Iran and what led to sort of the armada headed over there, along with the protesters. I do also want to say he made a lot of news speaking about his vice president, JD Vance, and Secretary of State Marco Rubio and the possible ticket in 2028. Nobody knows where that's going to go. And also what's happening in Fulton County, why the FBI is there, why Tulsi Gabbard's there.

We asked him all those questions. You'll hear the answers tonight. Well, this will be a lot of interest in all of those answers. Tom, it's a fantastic interview.

Congratulations. I do want to shift gears. We are obviously just so sad here at NBC as our beloved colleague Savannah Guthrie awaits answers on where her mom is. And right after your interview, President Trump called Savannah.

What can you tell us about that? This was important to the president. After the interview off camera, he really wanted to get in touch with Savannah Guthrie. And we were there when he did.

He called Savannah. She was in federal court seeking the return of all files from the 2020 election that were seized by the FBI last week. Fulton County Chairman Rob Pitts expressing frustration over the lack of information earlier today. We don't know where they are.

We don't know really who has them. We don't know what they're doing with them. Are they being tampered with? I can use my imagination.

And I would certainly hope not. But we just, we don't know. We're also getting new footage of that FBI search from the body cameras of local police obtained by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, showing some confusion about the government's search warrant. We don't know where they are.

We don't know really who has them. We don't know what they're doing with them. Are they being tampered with? I can use my imagination.

And I would certainly hope not. But we just, we don't know. We're also getting new footage of that FBI search from the body cameras of local police obtained by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, showing some confusion about the government's search warrant. We don't know where they are.

We don't know really who has them. We don't know what they're doing with them. Are they being tampered with? I can use my imagination.

And I would certainly hope not. But we just, we don't know. We're also getting new footage of that FBI search from the body cameras of local police obtained by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, showing some confusion about the government's search warrant. Back with me is Garrett Haake.

So Garrett, let's talk about the political box that the president has put some of his allies in. You saw the tap dancing going on there on Capitol Hill. How do you see this playing out? Yeah, woe to John Thune and the congressional Republicans who tried to essentially put words in the president's mouth all day yesterday, suggesting what he was really talking about was a priority of some House Republicans, the save act, when the president then came right back and saw their legs out from underneath them, making very clear.

He was talking about federal government counting votes, you know, being the final arbiter on elections, which are run at the state and local level. This is a problem for Republicans. It remains a problem. It's been a problem since the 2020 election.

You could argue it's what cost them some of the Senate seats in Georgia in that election cycle. The president has his views about a stolen and a rigged election. And no matter what other Republicans tell him, no matter how they try to sugarcoat it, he believes what he believes and he's not going to stop talking about it. It's the issue they cannot make go away.

And it doesn't work for any other Republican not named Donald Trump, but I'm not sure it works for Donald Trump, but it is what he believes. And he's not going to be put in a box by it, by John Thune or Mike Johnson or any other Republican trying to tell voters what he's really meaning. So we saw that FBI raid. Garrett, what are your sources telling you?

Do you think there will be other similar raids in other states that President Trump wants to contest from 2020? Well, look, Kristen, I don't have specific reporting on that. What I have is sort of past practice here. I mean, the president has a very specific way of communicating what he wants to see his lieutenants do.

We've seen it on so many issues over and over again. We've particularly seen it on the investigations that he wants to see happen, where he feels very comfortable coming right out in public and saying exactly what he wants to see done. So when I heard him yesterday in the Oval Office start talking about Detroit and start talking about Philadelphia and some of these other cities, I thought, all right, those folks should probably start getting ready for federal agents to come to their doors. I mean, the president communicates quite openly with his justice department, as we've seen several times.

And there's also the unexplained role that Tulsi Gabbard has in all of this. The president and his staff have given different answers on exactly how involved the director of national intelligence is in these investigations. But her arrival in Fulton County with no particular portfolio other than apparently an interest in election security suggests to me again that we might see her show up in some of these other places. So I think it's I think it's possible to likely that these kinds of investigations will continue with different pretexts where available.

All right, Garrett Haake, thank you so much for covering so much round for us. We really appreciate it. Great to see you as always. Coming up, the urgent search for answers.

We'll have an update on the investigation into Savannah Guthrie's mother, Nancy Guthrie, as authorities track hundreds of leads and call on the public for help. Stay with us. You're watching the press now. It's here.

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We want to turn now to the heartbreaking and ongoing search for Nancy Guthrie, the mother of our beloved NBC News colleague Savannah Guthrie. That search now in its fourth day with the FBI involved in the investigation. Authorities in Arizona say they still have not identified a suspect or person of interest in the case. And detectives are speaking with anyone who may have had contact with Mrs.

Guthrie. The Pima County Sheriff's Department says it's aware of reports of two ransom notes sent to news organizations, but NBC News has not seen those notes. And so far, no law enforcement agency has substantiated them. Authorities say they have received hundreds of leads since the 84 year old Guthrie was reported missing on Sunday and that they are, quote, taking all tips and leads very seriously.

NBC News national law enforcement and intelligence correspondent Tom Winter joins me now. Tom, you've obviously been reporting this out from the very beginning with so much heart, by the way, we should mention. Can you tell us what the very latest is? I know you have a little bit of new information at this hour.

Well, that's right, Kristen. I think a lot of people have been asking us, what was it at the house that specifically got investigators to think that they were looking at a crime here and not somebody that had just perhaps wandered off from the home or somebody that was confused? First off, we know from the family that Nancy Guthrie was in great mental health, very sharp, totally with it for being 84 and for being any age, frankly. But we do have some details.

We'll share with you today based on two senior law two senior officials briefed on the matter who have said that they do. They did find apparent blood outside of the home and that they also noted that her pacemaker, which is connected to a monitoring app, that sometime in the early morning hours, those that connection is stopped. In other words, that at some point she's taken from there and that that connection is no longer made. So that's just a sense of what investigators are looking at, in particular looking at that timetable as a focal point of the investigation.

Obviously, the sheriff has already said on the record that there is a they've recovered DNA in this case, that they've been able to match it to Nancy Guthrie. And hopefully they've recovered perhaps other DNA that they can start to match or exclude other individuals from as well. That can sometimes be just as important if you know that you don't have to look for somebody. Obviously, that can be quite helpful, too.

Absolutely. Tom, you know, we've been talking about these ransom notes. Yeah. What can you tell us about these reports?

I know NBC News has not independently reviewed these notes, but where are law enforcement officials with this? Do they think that they're real notes? Yes. So I actually have been able to get a little bit more detail on those notes today.

There are two notes sent to two one note to sent to two different news organizations. They are not substantiated by any law enforcement agency is actually being connected to the case at this point of the investigation. The sheriff's office says, look, we receive them. We're aware of them.

We've also forwarded them to the FBI. The FBI is looking at as well. I think as the time has passed here, Kristen, there's just not a lot of credence into these into these notes that were sent along. And so at the moment, it doesn't appear to be kind of a critical point in the case.

In some ways, if the notes were, in fact, authentic, it would perhaps point to the fact that Nancy Guthrie would still be alive. But at the moment, just based on all indications and public statements from officials, this isn't a path that at the moment is very viable. So the other, I think, big question around those cameras that she had and the question of whether they can recover the video from the cameras outside of her home. What can you tell us about that, Tom?

Right. Well, that's that's going to be quite a challenge. And what we're told, according to a number of people briefed on this investigation, is a bit of a technical challenge at the moment. So the cameras are out there and even though they might be backed up to the cloud, there's a lot of security that goes into into place to make sure that just anybody can access that camera on the cloud, whether it's Nancy Guthrie or you or me or anybody else.

So that's number one. Number two is how the cameras are set up from the standpoint of the cloud, how those things are interacting. We're still waiting to get some more details on it. Obviously, investigators, the sheriff talked about Well, we appreciate it.

You are just emerging from some critical meetings here in Washington. What can you tell us? What was your sense coming out of these meetings? I see that the United States are returning to the leading position, creating multilateral formats to secure its own security, domestic security, economic security, but also creating the conditions for the others to follow this path.

What we need is really important to increase our economic security level as we were a target for economic coercion from China five years ago, really, really bad one. So we need the tools how to protect ourselves and how to prevent us from China returning to repeated unfair practices of the of exports, exports control that would damage our economies and our strategic industries. So United States are taking the lead, showing the way how to how to organize it, initiate the new format, how we would invest and control the markets for it to be reliable and for our investors to believe that it is something serious that we are creating. What do you make of the meetings in Abu Dhabi?

You have Jared Kushner, Steve Witkoff. What is your expectation for what can come out of those meetings? They have to come together with the points of pressure on Russia. We all know why we don't have the peace deal till now.

That's because Putin doesn't want it. He exploits the situation. He's playing with our time, delaying all the decisions, and then also extending the efforts of the United States in this line. So, of course, we see what is happening with the big expectations that finally there will be a breakthrough.

But it's not Ukraine that we have to break through all of it. That's Russia. And seeing now how they are targeting the civilian civilian infrastructure, energy infrastructure, that is the war crime that they are committing right now. So you take me to my question.

How do you think Russia will ever be serious about this process when here they are, as you say, in the midst of this frigid winter targeting the energy infrastructure, depriving people of a shred of warmth? That is absolute classic, what Russia is doing right now. Increasing pressure, then there are really important ongoing efforts diplomatically. So this is in combination.

So it sort of enables the diplomatic efforts, showing that they can dominate the battlefield, showing the suffering of the civilians, and showing that Ukraine is the weak side in this position. This is what they try to project into it. So we have to deny this projection. So we have to impose further sanctions on Russia to make the price even higher than they are paying right now.

And this will be the tool to put them at the table with serious dedication to find the agreement. And we know that the Ukrainians are ready for it. So now what is happening? That was very much predictable.

Let me ask you, because as you well know, last month, President Trump was highly critical of NATO when he was at the Davos Economic Forum. Do you think that there are tensions that continue to exist in the wake of that or have they been repaired? How do you see it? I see that those tensions that way, they are manageable and they were managed.

And there is enough initiatives and there's enough space for us to find the solutions within the alliance. Washington Treaty of 1949, when the NATO was established, has the article one. And it says that if we have some some disagreements, disagreements, we have to find the peaceful solution for it. So if there are different views on the security arrangement in the Arctic, we have to discuss about it.

And then we are ready to contribute. All alliances ready to contribute to North Atlantic security. By the way, that's that's in the name of the NATO that we have to take responsibility. So we we take it as the really call to action and we have to contribute.

So we see that we can manage. It was the same with the tariffs. And there were tensions. We deescalated it and find the solution.

We found the solution. Same with the support to Ukraine. And then I see that on Arctic and Greenland, we are on the path. Do you still think the United States is committed to democracy based on what you're seeing and based on the comments about NATO?

We see that you're really committed to defend democracy in those countries that already have. We have to review whether we want to expand it to hold the world and whether it is feasible or not. So number one priority to us, to Lithuania, that really got a lot from being a democratic country to defend ourselves. Because now it is not inevitable that we will have the same liberties and the same independence as we had previously.

So we have to defend and in all the fields, militarily, economically and politically. All right, Mr. Foreign Minister, Kudreif, thank you so much for being here. We really appreciate it.

Thank you. Good to see you here. Still to come, DHS divide. I'll talk to the second highest ranking Democrat in the House about the changes to ICE and Border Patrol that Democrats are demanding with just days before funding for the agency expires.

This is Meet the Press now. Mr. President, speaking of Minneapolis, what did you learn? I learned that maybe we can use a little bit of a softer touch.

Welcome back. Joining me now is the panel NBC News senior national political reporter Sahil Kapur, former White House deputy press secretary to President Biden, Andrew Bates, and former George W. Bush administration official Ashley Davis. Thanks to all of you for being here on this day where Tom Yannis got this exclusive interview with President Trump style.

So let's start right there. That was just a clip of the broader exchange that we played at the top of the program where President Trump acknowledges, I think we could have had a softer touch. What are the implications of that, particularly as the president says he's going to go about deploying these ICE officials differently now? It's interesting.

The president qualified himself immediately by saying need a softer touch, but still got to be tough. Big picture. I do think President Trump just blinked for the first time on his bailiwick issue of immigration. I would say one of the top two issues of the reasons he won the 2024 election.

And it's not difficult to see why two recent polls show his handling of the issue of immigration down in the high 30s, which is stunning to see given that he started off considerably above water. The country really wanted to give him a chance on this because they were not happy with the way Democrats handled that issue. There's also a familiarity here in his first term. The country perceived President Trump as overreaching on the issue of family separation.

There was, you know, visceral images making their way all over the country on that. There was backlash. We know President Trump watches TV. The images and the videos of two American citizens getting gunned down in broad daylight by agents of the U.S.

government. That is powerful stuff. So it remains to be seen how much this is going to translate into policy, but it already is beginning with the drawdown. As Tom Homan says, agents from Minneapolis and also Christina, the DHS secretary, talking about body cameras and agents.

We'll see where it goes. Yeah, it's such a great point. And Ashley, I think Sahil touches on something that's critical when you're talking about this president, which is the power of these images, these two U.S. citizens killed at the hand of these federal law enforcement officials.

Do you think this shift in policy is enough, this admission that we need to have a softer touch that Sahil has laid out? We can see it in his poll numbers. He's had an impact. Well, two things.

I don't know if it's a switch in policy, but it's a switch in tone, which I think is very, very important. And I also think that what Americans do so well is we go one way and then we go completely the other way. Remember when Biden won four years ago? Sorry.

Like we did do an open border. That was probably too extreme. And now we're going the other way where he closed the border. He did a really good job on that.

But now we're actually going to extreme on this front. And I'm pretty conservative on the border. My background, secure Homeland Security. However, I think that we needed to tone down the rhetoric.

We need to make sure that we have a really good plan in place that we don't need to be killing American citizens. So Andrew, pick up on that point. How do Democrats at this point look forward to 2026? Obviously, as Ashley's laid out here, the argument against some of these Democratic candidates is going to be that they're soft on the border.

They're not going to be as tough as the Trump administration and Republicans. What do you think the playbook needs to be moving forward? The starting point should be that he broke his promise to prioritize deporting violent criminals. He said that in speech after speech.

To Ashley's point, there's nobody who disagrees with that. I support doing that. But instead, we have these roving patrols that are going through communities, bullying people, engaging in racial profiling. And now you have American citizens who are being killed for exercising their first and second amendment rights.

And so Democrats are right to call that out. And there's also an economic frame in which you can do it. I've seen folks from Hakeem Jeffries to AOC talk about that. The $50,000 bonuses that they're paying these ICE officers, that came at the expense of health care for working people.

And that's a debate playing out now. You know, Sahil, this is all playing out, this debate against the backdrop of a big debate on Capitol Hill about changes that Democrats are demanding to how ICE does its job. Nine days before DHS funding runs out. How do you see this playing out?

Do you think they're going to get a deal? Because this is between President Trump and Leader Schumer. Less than a week and a half away, We are going to have accountability for ICE. We are going to make sure they are no longer a secret police force in our communities, and we are going to end roving patrols where people are being targeted because of the neighborhood they live in, the color of the skin, the accent they might have, and we are going to make sure that ICE is held accountable.

These are the things that we have heard from the American people that they want to see. They want security in their communities, and they want the end of this violence and chaos. Well, let me ask you, because House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries says a second continuing resolution, in his words, is, quote, off the table for Democrats. So let me ask you, if a deal is not worked out by the deadline, are you or your fellow Democrats united in shutting down DHS?

Let me tell you, we are hard no on continuing funding this agency that has put out this rogue paramilitary force and is inflicting terror and violence. Without guidelines, we are not going to continue to fund this operation. And so this should not be hard for the administration, for DHS, for my colleagues across the aisle here. These are fundamental principles that apply to every other law enforcement agency in this country.

When Speaker Mike Johnson goes home to Louisiana, his police are not wearing masks. They use judicial warrants if they want to get in and search someone's home. They do not racially profile and pick up people on the streets. They are not having immigration enforcement pick up and detain and sometimes even deport American citizens.

These are fundamental protections for the people of this country. They were sold that this program was going to be about deporting the worst of the worst. And what has happened is we have seen violence, excessive force, and even the execution of American citizens at the hands of this rogue agency. So, Congresswoman, just to be very clear, though, you are prepared to shut down DHS, which we should mention, yes, funds ICE and Border Patrol, but it also means blocking funding for other critical agencies like TSA, the Coast Guard, FEMA.

You're prepared to do that? I would push back on you. That is exactly what the Republicans are prepared to do. These are fundamental things.

Let's just take the warrant requirement that Speaker Mike Johnson has already rejected. That is in our Constitution. This isn't some new legal theory. What is the outrageous thing here is that ICE is shredding our constitutional rights in front of us and inflicting great violence and terror on law-abiding people, including American citizens.

Choose Americans. Choose their security. Choose their ability to be safe in their homes and communities and schools and churches and hospitals. That's what we're asking.

If they want to put at risk our Coast Guard, our TSA agents, FEMA with the storms that we are having because they are unwilling to do and apply what we ask of any other law enforcement agency to ICE and Border Patrol, that is on them. Well, let me try to get specific with you about what Democrats are demanding. I want to show a list of some of the key asks here. It includes having a judge-ordered warrant in order to arrest someone instead of an immigration warrant ordered by the administration.

Take a listen to what House Speaker Mike Johnson had to say about that demand. They want to have a judicial warrant on top of the immigration judge warrant. And we can't do that. Just think of it logically.

You've got maybe 20 million illegals who came across the border just in the last four years when the Biden-Harris administration opened the border wide. Imagine if we had to go through the process of getting a judicial warrant, an additional warrant to go and apprehend people who we know are here illegally. How much time would that take? We don't have enough judges.

We don't have enough time. So are judicial warrants a red line for Democrats? I mean, listen to what that clip you just played, which had a Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives saying, we don't have time to comply with the U.S.

Constitution, which he took an oath to defend. He holds himself out as a constitutional lawyer. It is outrageous, those comments that he just made. This is fundamental.

This is in our Declaration of Independence, that this exact sort of attack on people's home and property by law enforcement used as a political arm is how we got the Fourth Amendment and protections for that, that he would somehow gloss that over as some, you know, there's another quote for him where he says that a judicial warrant is another layer of bureaucracy. These are bedrock principles for our country, for our personal liberty, and for the security of our communities. If Mike Johnson can't agree to that, he should really rethink his position as Speaker of the House. Congresswoman, let me ask you about another topic before I let you go, which is President Trump talked about nationalizing elections and having the federal government take control over elections, at least in 15 states, he says.

Are you confident that the midterms and the 2028 elections will be free and fair? I think we have to do every single thing in our power to secure our elections. When Donald Trump says these things, tries to walk them back as it was an exaggeration or joking, he's usually telling us exactly where he is going. We know that he is looking at the same polls that we are.

We know that he is hearing the same thing from the American people. He told them he would lower their cost of living, make an economy where they can see success for themselves. And he has done just the opposite. And now he has layered on these assaults on communities, on American citizens, on law abiding people.

We have watched Renee Good and Alex Prettitt be shot and killed by ICE officers and patrol, Border Patrol in our communities. And so now is the time for us to come together and make sure that as he sees his electoral power slipping, that we do everything we can to not let these ICE raids come and intimidate voters in November, that we are protecting our election, that we are demanding answers to what happened in Fulton County and Georgia last week. What was that? And we must do everything to combat the misinformation he puts out about election security and stolen elections and protect the American people and our sacred right to vote from whatever he is going to come up with that will interfere with that come the midterms.

All right, Congresswoman Catherine Clark, thank you so much for your time. We really appreciate it. Thank you. And we are back tomorrow with more Meet the Press Now.

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