Meeting the Remarkable

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Enjoy it. It's wonderful being with you. I'm Brooks for the vibrant living network. I want to ask you a question.

I want to start with a question. And I guess the question is. John, thank you. John, thank you.

John, a dog goes in the room. Hillary. And some people know and recognize Hillary as Hillary Lake of God. She has a spiritual aura.

I used aura this morning. And we have. Yes. And then Nate Hughes.

He is back from South America. I want to deeply welcome you back. I miss you in South America. It's been a long time and it's made me back.

Great having you back. I want to start off with Nate. Because Hillary's name is so powerful. We'll go over to Nate to integrate.

And what Hillary said about her name is also very powerful. So immediately deferring to other people's divinity. How like you Hillary. Okay, Nate Hughes, a program designer for retreat centers.

He owns his own company. With medicinal rahani and chocolate. The food of the gods according to them. I'm an appreciator for the cacai.

Certainly been. Yeah. What do you know about food? Is it all through our brain and our mood?

So I wanted to start off before I invite you. Before I invite you. I want to invite Mr. John Dago.

These are all through many books including Eats, Meets West. And early on John became very interested in the awake life beyond being asleep. And being a businessman John became very interested in his other listening. And I wanted to say we named this series.

Meeting the remarkable. Meeting the remarkable. So I was just thinking about my experience and I thought we could go on them. We could welcome John.

We could go to Hillary and Nate. And so I, in my own ways, I would be around people and environments. And this became a way of life where there was something about these people that they express something beyond their outer mind beyond the ordinary. There was something about them.

Whether they were, you know, and something about them. They were pleasant people. They were people who moved differently in some cases. They had a certain amount of grace.

They had a, there was something about them that felt different being in a room with them. Sitting across them and interacting with them. There was a sense of something bigger. Something truly remarkable.

And when I talk at least in my producer who's, with us yet, we had talked about this quality of remarkableness. And I really began, I guess you could say, meeting with people and exploring with people. This different conversation, this different awareness. And became very interested in it.

And it could be, you know, as an example, once in my life, I was on the way to interview with a tennis pro and Atlanta. The van full off the road. And we were down a little bit of a gully and someone opened the door of the car. And he placed his hand on me in my shoulder.

And I felt a quality of remarkable presence. And I felt a remarkable presence. It was there. And when it was felt, it changed everything.

It changed the spirit of people. It made people have this quality of presence. And it's been a guiding light. It's been physical.

And so I thought we could kind of go around and start with it. And then we're going to introduce our main, I guess, this is like, I see this as a luncheon series with John Zaggo, who's been living this way and tell us a story how he began and shares some personal things, relationship to our body. You know, I didn't realize how much the body has this ability to carry this remarkableness. You know, I had this conversation with surgeons.

I've had this conversation with artists. I've had this conversation with dancers. Like, what is it? And one of the dancers, she was actually 96.

Her name is, her name is Dao. She's Dao Kiao. She's a world renowned tango dancer. She started international winery.

She's very into wines. And I was sitting with her. And she was telling me about how she could smell and sense a person's energy. So we're just sitting there.

She said that any time someone has an energy and their injury is an example. There's like a guy who kind of goes over their ears and actually was scanning my bone on one of my arm. I had hurt my elbow. The guy who kind of went off and I could audibly hear it.

And so I remember sitting with her at Capado, this international yoga center, and just feeling like, wow, this is for the opportunity is to bring out this remarkableness and to cultivate it and break from the chains of terminal normality. So Nate, let me, I want to invite you in as we begin our luncheon series with John Zaggo. And I wanted you to share about this experience of the remarkable and how it's been in your life. How it happened in your life?

There's no, there's never really a starting point. Is there anything that's so magnificent about our life is that we can look back and we can have a certain vantage point from each time in our life where we felt like something remarkable happened to us. But I've always been unfolding. And I just like to think of it from my recent vantage point of the last year where I've had another remarkable shift in perspective.

And that's kind of what they say about Zen mind, beginner mind is we have to keep that perspective of always a beginner at this because as soon as we think that we've had this remarkable awakening. And that's where we're going to remain. That's when we start to lose it. And I kind of got stuck again not too long ago in my career and in my life.

And that stuckness allowed me to kind of go back in and figure out what it was I needed to do. And through that was a little bit of a retreat myself. And that's where I found myself creating this raw honey sweet and chocolate business. And the reason that came to me so profoundly is because it was new and aligned with everything that had been coming to me at the moment.

And throughout the year that unfolded more and more and more and towards the end of last year I had met that guy who started doors Alco Coa, which is a co-farm down in the Dominican Republic. And it just so happened that he was in the Cats field the day that I was creating the matches chocolate. And he said, Hey, I'm actually in the area. And I said, Oh, wow.

And I was like, Well, here's my address. You can stop by. And he texted me about 15 minutes later saying we're here. And I didn't realize it, but he brought the whole co-farm to my house.

And it had been a long day and I had been making chocolate all day. And all of them only spoke Spanish and my Spanish is a little manageable, but it was I had enough to get by. And I was trying to explain very technical chocolate making terms to farmers and Spanish, but long story short, they invited me down to the farm and I ended up in the Dominican Republic last month. And I spent about three weeks down there.

And not only do they have an amazing co-farm where people that are truly passionate about everything that they do from the head fermentationist who you can just feel his energy when he talks about the energy of the fermentation process, the color of the bean to the flavor profiles you get at the different temperatures, the different times that you have to ferment it and you continually learning. And to the head of the farm who gets the bean to the market, that's about for export, they're just very hands on and they love showing you what they do. And they're more excited that people are interested in it than really any kind of money aspect. And all the money to the farm goes back to support the reserve outside of San Francisco, the Mucklery.

And I spent a bunch of time out there in the middle of nowhere. It's completely pristine and protected. And that was just this re-affirmation that I'm definitely doing what I'm supposed to with this chocolate business. And it ties into my retreat consulting world because this product is meant for rejuvenating the spirit of food that we've lost bringing back that component that food isn't just energy for us.

There's a sacred component to it and it can help us come back into ourselves and re-ground us and re-guide us to where we have to be in our lives. And that's exactly what Kokoa has done for me and that's why I've centered around that. And that's why I find it quite remarkable where I am and where I'm at. And I've got where I am.

And I want to add that, or thank you. I just want to say that meeting with you had a remarkable experience in my life. I felt this timeless connection with you in a sense of wonder. And every time we interacted, Nate, it was really, I just felt more joy and connection.

I kind of felt like this notion of an infinite mind that joins us and allows us to see beyond our individualistic sense, our mind, if you will. And so I felt that with you immediately and it's just an honor having you on. And I want to introduce you to a jokingly call, but I feel a special, deep connection with Hillary. And I do call her, Hillary Lakes.

It's an easy name to say. That's one. And then two of God, it just flows. And so Hillary has been challenging me on the name in a beautiful way since I've given it to her through God recently.

So here she is, really recently, direct from Harvard. She's an official minister, if you could believe it, who's dancing and playing in an enquirer. And so the remarkable, what's the life? So if you listen to Nate, what moves you to talk about the remarkable, how do you hold it in your life and what's your relationship been with the remarkable?

I'm really moved by your story, Nate, especially about the relationships that you were sharing and the relationship to the people and the synchronicity and also the relationship to the land, to the place where this Dakota comes from. And for me, that's how I've learned about spirit and about transformation on a deep level. And I just want to say a little bit about studies with sustainable development in Thailand for a year. And when I was there, I learned how to learn from indigenous people and how their relationship to the land is so inherent in their being.

And without that experience, I couldn't be doing, I couldn't be who I am right now. I was so inspired. It blew my whole world open. And it had to do a lot with food as well through farming in a lot of these places.

So I have a sense of what you might have felt going to this land and building the relationship with the farmers and how that may, it sounds like it did change your life. And I have a sense from my own experience and I'm just looking forward to hearing more and also pacing the speak how there's so much intention, but into its creation. Yeah, that's very rare. Unfortunately, in the world of produced food and so to be able to know about a company that does bring so much intention and care to what you're doing is a gift, a real gift.

I appreciate that. Yeah, what is the company's name? It's called Abehita, which is Spanish for little B. There's not quite a direct translation.

There's kind of the connotation of a key playful pun on it. And that was really my intention when I picked that word is the idea that food becomes so serious and commercialized even with the food we think is healthy. I just wanted to bring that healthy spiritual playful aspect back to that too because often times in spirituality, there's so many layers. And I think I found myself at times getting too serious with my spiritual practice.

So that's the idea that food can have a spiritual component and has a revitalizing component, but still we have to take it lightly and have fun with it at the same time. All right, we're going to take a reposs and we're going to introduce Mr. John Dago, who's written several books and has traveled the world in a quest of it being awake. What do you learn?

What do you discover? I'm here to tell him the story. By the way, I love Hillary. How you share that it kind of both of you and it reminded me that food was a powerful doorway for me.

I felt the wonder of food, particularly in the summer. And it was something about seeing farmers. I just want to say that you both, you know, the sacredness of food and beyond just the physical nutrition, how it actually feeds us and the connection we have to the earth is sort of wonders. So I'm really appreciating both of your recognition of the remarkable in food and land will continue with vibrant living and remarkable and you and John Dago in a moment.

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I'm Glen Brooks, I'm Glen Brooks, I'm Glen Douglas, I'm really networked. So happy. Nate uses back from formerly of Menlo, Now the World and Sacred Chocolate. Just had a remarkable meeting with Hillary.

Hillary's called a Hillary, but you guys know that she's Hillary of God. So I want to introduce you guys to John Amago, author of several books, been on the Awaken Pass. And definitely a strong business background, but clearly John's heart and soul. He shares his journey in his books.

I have Eastweeds, Eastweeds, Eastweeds, Eastweeds, West in my hand. So John, we're so welcome. Thank you. I just wanted to get your comments on anything that struck a chord in you or, because obviously this has been such a big part of your life.

These remarkable moments, finding out the teachers in the world that you felt were transmitters, the people that you felt were conduits of this remarkableness. And how it would sort of would remove the veil, because a lot of us, the illusion of the veil of the world, for many people, has been a disruption at the same time. People have gotten lost and distracted by spiritual paths. So how did this remarkable moment enter your life?

Or how did you enter the remarkable moment to begin this journey and begin your authorship on awakeness and remarkableness? And I'm happy you're meeting Hillary and Nate. Both, I think, are here this question and life experience of the remarkable with you. Well, I'm struck by the word remarkable because one of the primary influences on my spiritual quest was Grecheft.

And Grecheft wrote a book called Meetings of the Remarkable Men. And what he wrote about that was remarkable about these men and women, where the aim and purpose of their life was to seek out higher knowledge, knowledge that would help them realize the full potential of a human being. They sensed that the condition that they found themselves in was far less than what they hoped it could be. And they sought to refine the quality of their attention, expand their awareness.

They sought out men and women and teachers, brotherhoods, that explored the metaphysicality in a world with practical applications. And that is, how is it that I get to a higher place of being from the very ordinary condition that I find myself in today? Which, and how would you describe that? How would you describe the ordinary condition?

Was that question directed to me or to Richard? No, no, no. It's Nate and Hillary. And they have their own buzzer so they could buzz in at any moment.

But, and I know they're very excited about those buzzers. They're woodcarved and are getting value for both of them. No, just for you John. Thank you.

I always appreciated the laughter before I was asked to leave a classroom, by the way. It was a lonely journey that I felt my waking started leaving classrooms and classes something very different than a classroom. So, when you talked about the ordinary condition, how did it strike you personally? Did you say something?

Well, I remember when I came out of college and I was on my own really perhaps for the first time in my life, the condition was unsatisfactory. There was a vague uneasiness, the offense to the times I couldn't get out of my own way. That there were a lot of desires and pursuits and they weren't necessarily leading me to a sense of satisfaction or fulfillment. So, I began to seek out something that I thought perhaps I didn't know.

I really didn't know where to look. But when I encountered the writings of Kurt Jeff and the Spensky, they began to give me a very important first step. Because they said this human condition that we find ourselves in is far short of our potential. We consider ourselves fairly competent men and women, but we also noticed that we frequently make a wrong turn or die with a wrong number, speak and act in ways that miss opportunities and are often inappropriate to the situations.

I get up in the morning and I might have trouble finding my keys or my wallet or my pen. And I'm embarrassed by these moments because I know that I'm capable of something more. And we encountered the writings of, as I said, Kurt Jeff and the Spensky initially and then others. What they said is that this is a human condition and it's not a condition that's optimal.

That we can learn to refine the quality of our attention, expand the awareness, reach a certain point of unity within ourselves so that we're not being pushed and pulled by conflicting desires all day long. They call this the work. Work is defined in physics as force against resistance. The force is the power of your will, your desire to change.

And the resistance of your habits and your tendencies and your desires which tend to not necessarily lead to happiness and fulfillment. And that's an interesting prospect because the mind can be so very tricky. And sometimes we can think we're doing it and we're reaching our ultimate potential perhaps we're working at a job I can reflect on my time, working at a spiritual center and thinking that I would absolutely reach my full potential and doing everything that I can. But we become complacent and we have to always keep that in mind that as soon as that complacency sets in, we're probably not at the best of our potential.

And how do we do that? And that's the question that we have to keep asking ourselves because mindfulness alone probably isn't enough. I think it's ultimately the two levels of work that we talk about work is ordinary work. And then the work you're talking about the spiritual thing that has to be done.

Or if we have to, that tremendous force, we have to put forward to reach that potential you're talking about. And I think sometimes that has to be some kind of energetic connection that pulls us back in because if we sit behind desks and we sit behind computers, that's a very easy way to become complacent and not reach our best potential to form Havert patterns that pull us out of that awareness. And I think when we can work more using our hands and being out in the earth, that's a tremendous potential to sometimes be more in touch. And working with people and connecting through our bodies as well, I found that I'm able to stay more present with my own experience when I'm working around other people as well.

And that's not always a positive or, you know, sometimes it's challenging. There's challenging things that come up. And if we can learn some tools to be able to stay grounded and centered as you're talking about the energetic experience that's what I've been thinking about, that this takes practice to learn and to know where our own edge is as well so that we can be in healthy, authentic relationships with others and use the support of the earth for this process of awakening and staying grounded by connecting with it. You know, maybe that means gardening.

Maybe that means doing some sort of offerings on a daily basis. Maybe that means, you know, throwing a snowball in the wind or whatever, whatever it are. There's different ways of doing that at different times and bringing some of that lightness in an expansion that often in normal work contexts isn't a part necessarily of what's happening. So I'm curious about what it is to bring that remarkable in through play and through movement and through sounding and singing in all sorts of different contexts to help people get beyond the ordinary ways of being that we've been taught to do in school, really.

Yeah, I love the spirit of both Nate and he always, you know, they experience that a lot of times the habitualness of life, even people who consider themselves on a spiritual path, it becomes another belief system, another disease being that right. So, yeah, I was curious too, you know, that Guruji seemed to have this, by the way, his life and kind of how he lived really, maybe this is a strong word John, maybe you helped me on this. He seemed to have this interest of, I don't know, shattering the right word, but disrupting or having people come out of this identity of just being their job and being their prestige or being their work. And he seemed to want to disrupt that.

And he was sort of a character. He, you know, last week, Lisa was talking about Guruji from the late 1800s, already came up with a photograph, some kind of sound system where he would want people to listen to sounds and do like a somewhat, he had an awareness of the impact of music and movement. How do you see, based on what Hillary and they said about breaking this, the sleep, the sleep, you know, people, they go to school, they do this, they do that, they do that, they're tremendously asleep and they know it. A lot of people have the sense that there's sleepness.

I couldn't quite name it, but I found a lot of unpleasant people doing their jobs and I thought, it seemed really bizarre. I think the first time I met someone that was truly pleasant was probably sixth grade up until then, it was kind of like, I couldn't explain it. It seemed like people were, I just couldn't get humanness. So I'm just curious how for you, John, what would you comment?

What was your response to breaking this sleepiness? And I love the idea of food and the body as a pathway to that, because I know when I went to Jim, Jim put me to sleep to my body and my classroom certainly put me to sleep, so being really curious about the vehicle of the mind. I didn't realize how the mind could come awake and experience remarkable mind. Well, good chief was a profound and also a very provocative teacher, an unconventional teacher.

And one thing you might meet a profound philosopher who was giving a clear elucidation about the laws and principles that governed our lives and the creation. But on another night, you might meet someone who confronted the student, really shook his psychological foundations, attempts to break through his preconceptions and his habitual ideas and tendencies. Good chief taught that men and women live a life that he called sleep, which was far beneath the potential. And he taught specific methods on how to begin to reach a deeper and more profound place within yourself.

And both of your other guests referred to aspects of that. Certainly we need to, if we're going to become the aim and purpose of our life, we need to actually cultivate a little bit of quiet time in each day, a time for a meditation or study or reflection on one's life. And just doing that 15 or half an hour a day puts us in touch with our creative power, with the stillness of ourself. Then when we go out and we meet the activities of the day, it needs to be moment during that day when we kind of let go of the desire to play at the moment and just kind of connect to what's going on around us.

That we just see what's happening around us, that we actually listen deeply to the people who are speaking or the sounds around us, that we feel the play of air on our face, that we connect through the senses to the present moment. And once we feel more alive, we're liberated from the constant flow of thoughts and feelings that seem to be going on incessantly and mindlessly within ourselves. We come to ourselves, we come out. This is what Gritik and the Spensky spoke of as awakening.

A Spensky wrote a book called In Search of the Miraculous, and what he meant by the Miraculous was a penetration beneath the thin veneer of consciousness in which we lived most of our day to a deeper, more profound sense of oneself. I do appreciate mentioning the practice of contemplation and meditation and the essential nature of that for awakening. I really do agree with that. And I think it can happen in one morning routine, it can happen taking a walk and being outside and learning from the teachings of nature at times.

And I think it can happen sitting in meditation whenever and wherever we are, if we need to take that moment to go back to the silence and the stillness within and be open to what will come out of that place as well. You know, Kilri and Nate, I was in the Catskill. I was in the Catskill, and Nate has quite a reputation as the king of consciousness of the Catskill. He's from the Catskill.

I just gave him a little bit of a nickname, and I'm so happy he's back. I miss you so much. So I was at Salzburg to go see, I think actually Swami looked in on it was still there, and Swami looked in on it, you know, said that there was something bigger than our mind and that the true self sees the mind, but it's not the mind. It's not a few things I thought was sort of strong, and I went there and the thing is so funny, it's the three of you were speaking and sharing about the remarkable.

There was a sign and it was thousands of people there and it just a simple sign in the hallway said, see God in each other. See God in each other. And I felt like, wow, that is a pretty powerful universal recognition that gets confused by religion and belief systems. And so that was a striking experience when people I think realized that they have this sort of divine recognition or divine aspect, and it's like we're going to take a brief pause.

We'll continue with John Adagio. Kilri Lake. I didn't say it today. And now the king of consciousness of the Catskill is Nate, you two so welcome that we're so welcome back.

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Paul Avgerino. I keep thinking. You're welcome to Viber Living Network. I'm talking about the series on the remarkable John Adako's written several books.

I can act and awaken to the remarkable. Paul Avgerino. Paul Avgerino is the most mellow voice on the planet. I was wondering if he used that voice that he used for his new age music and other areas of his life.

For instance, playing Oliver Twist for instance, like I'm using that voice asking for more food. I get Paul on to ask him about how his voice has changed his life. Joey, I was expecting a big laugh from you. I will talk to you also.

Thank you. Please, I want to encourage you. Please be disruptive. Nate, please be disruptive as well.

John, please trust whatever you feel to be appropriate on this format. I don't know what it was, John and Hillary and Nate. I experience a life-disrupting panic attack. As a matter of fact, the language of panic wasn't really around.

I was something that I felt like something was happening. I didn't know what it was. I didn't quite know what to do with it. I just felt like I was thinking on a lot of, it's not a good change in my life.

My son was born, who was the most profound moment, my son was born. Birth to me had every dimension of awakeness and wonder and the mystery of life. I was absolutely fascinated by it. I was also fascinated by gentle birth.

I was fascinated by under water burn. It was something there in it. During this time when my son was young, I had these experiences that would really scare me in a way where I just didn't know if I was going to meet the earth again. I spoke with a man who had went to a Gerge school.

He went to a private school that would teach people these practical, inter-harmony exercises. I remember he told me that he had a panic attack when he was in school, maybe when he was 15 or 16. When the headmaster came back, what he said to him was that this was one of the greatest opportunities of his life, and to welcome this in his life. He was saying that this sort of changed the flavor and the tone of him having what he would call disturbing and disruptive experiences.

Because we're all singing the song, no matter how much disturbance we have going on, we're supposed to keep on being normal. I realized that that was very impactful to me, that to be able to hold things in a different light, to be able to see things different, and have courage. Also, to be able to share that and acknowledge that this is part of our experience, that's unexplainable. Usually, how a lot of us feel that sweet, we go shopping or go to see therapists.

I think what I appreciated about Gerge, John, and Hillary, and Nate was that Gerge's sort of had this, I guess he seemed to bring spirituality into our lives through dance, through questioning our thinking. He had this kind of, every time you write about him, John, I always get a sense that he was sort of a wonderist. He seems like such a character. Give us a flavor.

You have so many people who have been close to Gerge. What is it like to be in a room with him? How would you describe it in different ways to me? And it's always intrigued me deeply.

He died in 1949, so I didn't know him personally. I read everything that he's written and involved in Gerge's groups for many years. There's one story that says a lot. It was the doctor that attended him in the last day of his life.

He writes in his local story in a book. And what he writes of was that he left the room where Gerge was in bed and went into a joining room where there were anxious people around and announced that the end was near. That every system had failed and Gerge would not leave his bed again. And a few minutes later, the door opened and Gerge with great effort to move his body across the room to the bathroom.

And a few minutes later, it returned unassisted to his bed. And the doctor said it appeared as if he had picked up his failed body by the scruff of the neck and directed it to walk. This was the teacher's final lesson. It's not the body that sets the limits of the man.

It's his will. And by this last act of his, his last lesson, he conveyed this to his students. And he manifested this almost superhuman will that manifested all his life. It was the same will that directed the men that he wrote about in meetings with remarkable men, where these people put this pursuit of the knowledge that would help them reach the full potential of their life.

They gave us the highest priority in their life. What Gerge said was that in a sense, he and other teachers, is that this spiritual evolution does not come about automatically or come about as a result of pursuing career or even family or your responsibilities to the community. That a special knowledge and special efforts were required if one was to raise the level of one's own awareness and consciousness. John, why don't you go and give the contact information for the publisher how people could pick up your books and be in touch in all your books if they're moved?

Sure. There are two books, East Meets West, which is a story of the teachers that introduced meditation and Indian philosophy to Europe and America. And the second book, Ancient Wisdom Can Enrich Your Life Today, which is a series of essays that incorporate these stories and quotes from these master teachers. Both of these books are available on Amazon.

Or they can be reached through my website, which is TheJourneyBack.net. TheJourneyBack.net is my website. So that's the contact information. All right.

We're going to, since Nate used it, that most of the awakening is in the capsule area, let's pass Nate for a comment or a crazy story, whatever it is, Nate, that moves you. What's moving about your geophysics this morning or anything related to waking up? It's interesting how everything seems to fall into place. Perhaps we create synchronicities by looking for them or perhaps they're going to see us as a matter of how we look at it.

I've really seen these things happen more and more lately and the more I get myself space to reassess my life and come back and touch with what I'm doing. I find that I'm able to really dial into what it is I need to be doing and the real ways I need to be challenging myself. And I think that goes in hand in hand with what we've been talking about on the show. And when we are in those times of contemplation and when we finally pass even that contemplation, the answer is kind of a peer test.

And that's where I've been at and just talking about it here today is reaffirming to me and I think that's why I was off the show for about a month or so. And I came back on the show today that seemed quite fitting that this is a show that I came back onto because all of this is kind of cyclical and it ties back into what I've been doing and where I'm going, meaning that everything feels correct and right. And from my solitude out in the Catskills, I say that's where we go from here. And there's no fine for leaving.

We drop a fine. I check with Hillary this morning. There's no fine. We just want to welcome you back fully.

Thank you. Thank you. And Hillary's very tough on fine, by the way. Was it easy?

But you said done. Yeah, maybe only I find it a lot more time back. Good. Yes.

Yes. So, Hillary, what bubbles would you hear about your chief and I don't know what bubbles? When John talks about your chief and Osvenski and what kind of bubbles do you? What's public for you?

Well, I love the description of Guruji's will at the end of his life. And I can't relate to being at the end of my life at this point, but I can relate to feeling completely confused and overwhelmed and pan-attack. Maybe it was like a psychotic break, but I've had some really huge spiritual experiences that were actually quite scary, energetic experiences that changed my experience of my body and of energy and relationships completely. And a number of these happened either right before or while I was in Divinity School, and I had an attachment to an identity as being a really good student and being just successful in a lot of things that I did.

And here I am at Harvard and thinking I need to be as good as everyone else or doing what everyone else is doing or whatever that was, you know, all these ideas and attachments. And really what I could get myself to do well was to dance and do yoga and to like move a lot of energy because I felt all this intensity in my body. And so I couldn't really sit and read or write very well. And so I couldn't think and be in the way that I had been that got me to this place and felt like a total imposter and like I didn't belong at all.

And somehow I just made it work. It was like a sheer act of will to stay, I think, in that context. To ask for the divine to support me, you know, maybe I was channeling my paper that felt like that sometimes or to read just enough to be able to glean what this author was saying or to really feel into the energetic of what this offer was offering and to even meditate into that or contemplate that for my own experience too. And so for me learning became about experience and not so much about reading or listening or writing as much and it was about building connections with people, real people, even if I wasn't with them.

So I think I can feel that in what you're bringing through John and I don't have much context. I've heard about him, of course, in some of my studies, but it just helps me to understand, you know, he was it seems like he was bringing this experiential way of being through and and it took probably a lot of will at that time. And I think now there is there's more, you know, it's kind of like the hundreds monkey like there's more of us waking up. So maybe there's less will in a sense needed and now it's more of a surrendering or opening or allowing in a way that kind of I feel it an experience that is more of a yin way of being or some people can face them and then I don't barely break it down like that.

But I'm curious how the way of awakening is shifting through the different eras and times and looking at different times too. So it's brought up a lot for me. Wow, that was that was great. I on the next format, we'll do the next format next this coming Thursday and we'll talk about I want to talk about dealing with crisis and and also yet again, your take on the delivery dimension how how the anthropology of awakening and how it's changed and what your take is maybe you can distinct to these times with so much happening so much, you know, so much so much challenge.

So John, once again, why don't you give out your contact and leave a brief comment. We have about a minute to go. If you wanted to go, you know, he was both Hillary and Nate, I think I added a another beautiful part of the. Yes, yes, and this spoke about surrendering and opening.

Yes, and this is this has always been an aspect of the work. One has to let go the ego let go with this preoccupation with the melodrama we call my everyday life. And replace it with with the sense of being, you know, of looking to serve I will as opposed to my will. This has always been an aspect of the spiritual work and it's good to hear her speak about it and remind us of that.

The two books that I wrote are ancient wisdom can enrich your life today and eats meat west and both are available on Amazon and I can be reached and the books can be contacted through my website, which is the journey back.net. John, 30 seconds on dealing with crisis or the crisis of consciousness that comes with acquiring. It begins with coming to yourself coming to a still point within yourself. You have to stop from time to time during the day or during the life and just touch the stillness from that stillness I can open up and connect through my senses to what's actually going on around me.

Not the fears and worries and concerns about it, but actually content connecting with the present moment right now. Well, and John, why don't you how do you spell a dog? Oh, people want to look up John and dog. How do you know you're a dog?

Oh, it's John a dog. Oh, a D A G O. And awakening in the Cats, those is Nate's fourth coming book, which he hasn't written or thought about yet, which is a possibility to write it. Today's program I would imagine the Cats, those is a I don't know.

I want to say growing up I grew up thinking it was something unique to say. I think it was a place John or Hillary that the place. Oh, you know, I got about the old time clock. I was enjoying our lunch so much.

I want to thank John Gudago and of course, Tilly Lake of the big the infinite sky and Nate today. Thank you blessing. Appreciate you guys deeply your life brushes enjoy it. I'm Glenn Brooks with the Viber Living Network.