𝐀𝐠𝐢𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐲 𝐯𝐬 𝐀𝐠𝐢𝐥𝐞⁣ | Michael Levine -retired SVP of Consumer Technology at U.S. Bank

How do you achieve true business agility without getting trapped in the rigid bureaucracy of Agile methodologies?In this episode of the CU Next Podcast, host Joe Thomas sits down with Michael Levine, retired SVP of Consumer Technology at US Bank and author of the People Over Process trilogy. Drawing from decades of experience managing billion-dollar technology projects, Michael shares why major technological transformations often fail and how to pivot your strategy to prioritize the human element over rigid processes.Whether you are navigating complex legacy systems like Hogan or restructuring your IT departments to better serve your members, this conversation is packed with C-suite insights on structuring teams, reducing cognitive load, and fostering alignment between business and technology.Episode HighlightsThe Agile Illusion: Why adopting Agile frameworks doesn't automatically guarantee business agility.Mastering Team Topologies: How to structure Stream-Aligned Teams, Platform Teams, and Complicated Subsystems to eliminate friction and enhance delivery flow.The Power of Conway’s Law: Aligning your organization’s communication structure with your desired technological architecture.The Missing Link in the Agile Manifesto: Defining the crucial role of management and leadership through Rigor, Efficiency, and Alignment.Embracing Constraints: Why avoiding constraints leads to failure, and how to harness them to spark true innovation for your credit union.Chapter Timestamps00:00 – Introduction & Michael Levine’s Journey in Tech Leadership06:09 – The Evolution of IT Methodologies & The Trap of "Process Over People"08:02 – Rethinking Organizational Silos & Team Topologies12:48 – Building Stream-Aligned Teams for Independent Delivery15:26 – The Crucial Role of Platform Teams and APIs19:14 – Managing Complicated Subsystems (The "Hogan" Constraint)22:02 – The 3 Pillars of Tech Leadership: Rigor, Efficiency, and Alignment24:08 – Leaving Egos at the Door: Focusing on the Credit Union Member28:31 – Why Tech Success is 2/3 People and 1/3 Process & TechnologyAbout the GuestMichael Levine is a retired Senior Vice President of Consumer Technology at US Bank and a seasoned veteran in banking and mortgage technology. He is the author of three books, culminating in People Over Process, which explores the critical intersection of human leadership, team dynamics, and technological execution.Connect & SubscribeEnjoyed the insights? Make sure to hit the Like button, Subscribe to the channel for more interviews with fintech and credit union leaders, and share your thoughts in the comments below!Available on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts.#CUNextPodcast #CreditUnions #Fintech #TeamTopologies #AgileLeadership #DigitalTransformation #PeopleOverProcess #BankingTechnology