Michael McNab on Trekking Kokoda twice - 22 years apart

Episode Show Notes This week's episode is a special one for me. I'm joined by my good mate Michael, who has just completed his second crossing of the Kokoda Track with me. What makes this achievement even more impressive is that Michael first crossed Kokoda 22 years ago at the age of 40, and has now returned at 62 years of age to tackle the challenge once again. This time he brought his son along, alongside a group of mates, colleagues, and their sons, creating an experience that spanned generations. Throughout our conversation, we reflect on the lessons Kokoda continues to teach, not just about resilience and perseverance, but about leadership, teamwork, and personal growth. Michael is the owner and leader of a highly successful business employing around 700 people, so I was particularly interested in hearing his thoughts on leadership in the jungle and how those lessons compare to leadership in the corporate world. We discuss the difference between leadership and management, the importance of clear communication, setting expectations, and creating an environment where people can thrive without being overled. We also explore the unique challenge of returning to Kokoda more than two decades later. Michael shares how his mindset, leadership style, and perspective on hardship have evolved over time, and why stepping outside your comfort zone remains one of the most powerful ways to grow, regardless of your age. One of my favourite parts of the conversation centres around the idea that great leaders don't always need to have all the answers. Sometimes leadership is about staying calm under pressure, trusting your team, and allowing others to have their own experiences rather than trying to control every outcome. Whether you're considering your own Kokoda adventure, leading a team, running a business, raising a family, or simply looking for ways to challenge yourself and grow, I think you'll find plenty of value in this conversation. I hope you enjoy this honest and insightful discussion with a man who has spent a lifetime leading people, learning lessons, and continuing to prove that age is no barrier to growth, adventure, and personal development. This podcast is brought to you by Adventure Professionals. KOKODA FITNESS PROGRAM OTHER ADVENTURES See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.