Michael Shellenberger on the Rise of the Counter-Elite (Ep. 5)

Michael Shellenberger on Nietzsche, political revolution, and training a better elite. Michael Shellenberger is the founder of Public, the C.B.R. Chair of Politics, Censorship, and Free Speech at the University of Austin (UATX), and the best-selling author of San Fransicko: Why Progressives Ruin Cities (HarperCollins 2021) and Apocalypse Never: Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All (HarperCollins 2020). This is Episode Five of The Uncaptive Mind, hosted by UATX Editor-in-Chief Audrey Unverferth. It was recorded on August 2, 2025, in Esztergom, Hungary, at Mathias Corvinus Collegium's annual conference, MCC Feszt. Apply Now⁠⁠ ⁠⁠uaustin.org⁠⁠⁠⁠X⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠Substack⁠