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EPISODE · Jul 7, 2026 · 59 MIN

Michael Watson: Evolutionary Hypnosis, the Three Principles, and Why Your Suffering Is Bogus

from AWAKEN with Ryan DeJonghe · host Ryan DeJonghe, Founder of TranceWell.help

Michael Watson has been in the hypnosis world longer than most organizations have existed. As principal trainer for IACT and one of the field's quiet elders, he brings something rare: genuine perspective, zero ego, and a willingness to say what he actually thinks.In this conversation, Michael and Ryan cover a lot of ground without rushing any of it. Michael unpacks his concept of Evolutionary Hypnosis — the idea that every client already carries the answer, and that our job is closer to Anne Sullivan reaching through the darkness for Helen Keller than it is to following a protocol. He talks about why Milton Erickson would have failed the IACT certification exam, why AI will eventually replace any hypnotist who thinks in protocols, and why the field's infighting comes down to the same thing every other fundamentalism comes down to: someone decided they had the right book.He introduces the Three Principles — mind, thought, and consciousness — through the lens of a subway station. Thoughts are the trains. You don't have to board every one. The ones marked "to hell and back" can be let go. He learned this the hard way when the company he was training NLP for in the UK started falling apart and Jamie Smart told him, calmly, that he was just experiencing the effects of his thinking. He wanted to punch him in the mouth. He was also completely right.They close on Mother Teresa declining an anti-war rally — but offering to attend a peace rally — and a client from 40 years ago in San Francisco who looked at Michael mid-session and said: we're just all poor sons of bitches trying to get through it. Michael still calls it the most Buddha thing anyone has ever said to him.Three quotes from Michael worth writing down:"If you just wait a minute when things are at rock bottom — it has to get better. And as it gets better, you have more resources to make worthwhile decisions instead of catastrophic ones.""Experience is something that we do. Not something we're subjected to. Stuff happens, and it becomes good or bad after we've made a decision about it.""Being miserable is optional. Your suffering is bogus. You can stop doing this right now."Connect with Michael Watson: IACT: facebook.com/IACTNews Michael teaches stress management certification, master trainer programs, and board-certified hypnotist courses through IACT — reach out through the association for upcoming datesConnect with Ryan DeJonghe / TranceWell: Website: trancewell.help Email: [email protected]

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Michael Watson has been in the hypnosis world longer than most organizations have existed. As principal trainer for IACT and one of the field's quiet elders, he brings something rare: genuine perspective, zero ego, and a willingness to say what he actually thinks. In this conversation, Michael and Ryan cover a lot of ground without rushing any of it. Michael unpacks his concept of Evolutionary Hypnosis — the idea that every client already carries the answer, and that our job is closer to Anne...

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