Foreign. Good afternoon. Good day wherever you are. Welcome back to episode six of the Waveform podcast.
I'm your host, Marques Brownlee. And I'm Andrew Magelli. We've got some great stuff planned for you in a pretty long podcast. So in this episode we'll talk through the new family of current and future Microsoft products and our trip to their campus.
And we have our first ever guest in Waveform history, fellow tech YouTuber Quinn from Snazzy Labs. And also possibly the only YouTuber I know that's taller than me. And we'll talk about Tesla, talk about Hackintosh live streaming. Yeah.
Q and A. It's a big one. Buckle up. Welcome to Techtober.
So normally we hit this part up with a recap of everything, but I think we're stretch our recap a little further than normal. So let's do a content suggestion beforehand. I think I got a pretty good one for you. You've probably heard about it, but there's a new series on Netflix called Inside Bill's Brain, and it's a documentary about Bill Gates.
We're going to talk about Microsoft later, so I think it's a perfect episode to talk about this. And actually on a trip back from Microsoft, I watched it on the plane and it was pretty fascinating. I love that it exists. When I was thinking about that Bill Gates interview, we did the whole processing up to that was me watching as much information about Bill's past interviews and possible things to ask him as a possible kid.
So I think that'll be an interesting addition to watch. Yeah, I think we just talking to him for like 20 minutes that we did was just kind of mind blowing. Listening to him talking, how quickly he thinks of things and how he thinks of things. And now you got a guy who's with him for two years, so imagine how, how deep he goes.
Really, really great. It kind of goes over his early life. It goes over meeting Melinda and how much him and Melinda have done. The Bill Melinda Gates foundation, and then all about everything he did at Microsoft.
How he started Microsoft, how he went through them being called Monopoly, how he solves problems. Okay. And that's Netflix. Netflix, yeah.
Highlight. Inside Bill's mind. Bill's brain. Inside Bill's brain.
Nice. All right, so we can jump into a quick recap of all the videos leading up to what we have now from the last podcast we had, the OnePlus 7T review. That is an interesting phone. I don't really have any fact corrections or anything other than like, it's just A fascinating existence for this phone because it's coming to the US where allegedly, the OnePlus 7T Pro that might come later this year will not come to the US which is backwards.
So last year, the OnePlus 7 did not come to the US and OnePlus 7 Pro did. So it's kind of a flip. I was really looking forward to OnePlus 7T or whatever the next Pro phone is called. So that'll be interesting.
But in a lot of ways, the 7T is better than the 7 Pro, even though it's cheaper. But you stayed on 7 Pro, right? I did a little flip flop. I was reviewing the 7T and I had some little gripes about the display.
So when I was finished reviewing it, I did switch back to 7Pro, and then I got really annoyed with the curved screens again and I switched back and I'm back on the 7T on the flat T, I have to pay more attention to work that's on the alien, the OnePlus 7T, we have Pixel right around the corner. We have possibly another OnePlus announcement coming up this year, but as of right now, OnePlus 7T, despite its lower resolution, display is in my pocket. That's very interesting. Yeah, so that's.
That review came out. You can check that out. And of course, we also had iPhone 11. Gosh, we talked about these phones so much.
But the iPhone 11 review, the theme of it was, it's just so easy. Everything about this phone is it's easy to recommend, it's easy to review and explain what's new. Honestly, if you're probably gonna recommend a phone to, like, your mom to upgrade her iPhone, or your friend who's just like, hey, are these new phones any good? Like, it's a sentence or two.
Like, yeah, well, the iPhone 11's pretty great. Nice camera, good battery. It's an iPhone. You probably like it.
If you like iPhone. That conversations about, should I get a new iPhone? Yes. Yeah, go for it.
There you go. Nope, no. Super easy. So this year, reviews came out this week, and then we arrived at Microsoft week slowly, but also kind of quickly.
Microsoft has arrived as one of the most exciting tech companies of the second half of this year. Is that fair to say? I think that's fair to say. So they announced and unveiled a whole ton of products.
A week ago, we were out on at that Top Secret Trip 2. Now we can say it was Microsoft's headquarters in New Seattle at the Redmond, Washington. And we got a sneak peek at all the stuff that came out today. The Surface Pro 7, the Surface Laptop 3, the Surface Pro X.
The Surface headphones or earbuds? Earbuds. And then we had a little bit of a sneak peek at the Surface Neo and the Surface Duo. All the first things I talked about are coming out in this holiday season.
They're actually already out for pre order. And the last two, Surface Neo and Surface Duo, these foldables are coming out next year so they get a little Disney pretty. It was official for next year. Was that just future product?
They ended up saying on stage it will be awesome. Yeah, that's really exciting actually. Yeah, I'm pumped for those things. So I guess let's just break down quickly the things that came out this year.
So The Surface Pro 7 is maybe the most boring update. It looks the same as Surface Pro 6 but. But it has a USB Type C and has a new intel chip inside. So it's minor refresh.
Yeah. So forth continuing that line, that's been pretty successful. Safe, easy, similar to what Apple's doing. But now we also have the sort of next generation of Surface switches also two in one.
Also with Kickstand. Surface Pro X it's much thinner, it's got two USB type C ports. It comes in matte black and it's ARM based so it's got these thinner bezels, a little bit of a bigger 13 inch screen and I thought it was kind of nice. I don't know if you got to hold any of these things but like holding it was.
Was encouraging. Was a good weight. The kickstand felt sturdy and these are all things that Microsoft spends a ton of time on as we'll mention later and talk about the labs. But I think the Surface Pro X was pretty interesting.
I thought one of the cool things about it, it seems almost low tech but where they store the pencil in the. It's just like literally just the little flip up case flipped up a little tiny more. You wouldn't even notice it. And you flip it down, there's the pencil and it was charging the whole time.
And the thing about that being it's sitting there the entire time is it's wireless charging there. So every time you take it it's at 100% so it's kind of a little bit better. I always get a little annoyed by the iPad Pro pencil. Yes, it is magnetized to the side but as soon as I put it in my bag it just falls off.
It's cool that it sort of latches on there and charges but it's not sort of natively comfortable there all the time. So this is really cool. So it'll always be charged 100% every time you take it out of that little cradle and put it back and you'll never worry about battery life on it. It's very cool.
And then There's a Surface Laptop 3. I like this a lot. I think I'm gonna try to make that surface laptop 313 inch my new daily laptop. Because I don't need a Mac necessarily on a laptop anymore.
The surface laptop 2 in that black was my favorite. One is laptop of last year. It was almost perfect except for the lack of USB type C. Now has one USB type C port.
Okay, it's still it fast charges but still through that sort of proprietary charger which is a little bit annoying. I kind of wish there were like three USB type C ports that are charged by one of them. So that's maybe the only bummer. But it's glad to see if there's a USB type C port there.
Still charged through the USB C though, right? I'm not actually sure because we didn't have a USB C port last year. It would make sense. Yes.
Maybe not. Fast track, if I remember correctly and don't quote me on this. He said you can still charge through USB C but the proprietary is still there because it'll charging. Okay, that makes sense.
So if I just bring around whatever USB C charger I bring for everything, it'll still work. Maybe just not 80% and half an hour or an hour. So that's still encouraging. Either way, I want to daily that.
I'm excited for it. I think that'd be a fun one. Did last year's have the Alcantara on matte black? Because they changed that a little bit this year.
I think two models don't have it and two models do have it. Let me go look at it right now. Sorry. So yeah, it's got the Alcantara keyboard and a soft touch like hand palm rest or whatever when you're up against the laptop.
A little bit of taller aspect ratio I also kind of like because a lot of stuff I'm doing on my laptop is writing. I have two windows open next to each other. I want them to be kind of tall. So the screen is great.
It's a touchscreen. I don't use touchscreens on laptops at all. Are you touching laptop? I'm not.
In fact, I find most of the time when I'm using a laptop that has a touchscreen, I'll go Try and wipe a smudge off and Lord knows what's going to happen on the screen. I'm resizing a window or closing out of something, so I don't know. For me, touchscreen's not a big thing. I've seen people who are good at touchscreen and it's really impressive.
I think Linus has come here before and you know, he just dangles, he just dangles that laptop while he's walking around. But I've seen him just like tap, tap, tap, screen, tap, tap, tap, tap. So I guess if you're good at it, it's probably pretty useful. But it's not something.
If you get in the flow. If you get in that flow, it can be really good. That's just the phrase I like saying often on stage. Get in the flow.
Yeah, no, if you get that workflow then you can make the touchscreen useful. I also made. It was an older video, kind of embarrassing old video about where I talked about why I don't use touchscreen laptops. And this hinge wobble.
No matter how good the hinges on any laptop, every single laptop, it will always wobble when you touch the screen. So, you know, I'm a trackpad kind of guy and the trackpad's 20% bigger on the new ones, so I'm pumped. I'll leave it at that. You can watch the impressions video if you haven't seen it, but we'll get that in for review and definitely check it out.
There's also a 15 inch variant with AMD Ryzen chips that are custom engineering here as well. So who bunch going on with Microsoft. Definitely watch those videos and by the time you hear this, there may also be the interview with Satya Nadella up on the channel. Just a ton happening in October already.
I will talk about the feature devices though too because those are actually pretty interesting. Yeah, so they had Surface Neo and Surface Duo. Surface Neo was. Well, they're both foldable and they're both dual screen.
Surface Neo was more the size of like a small laptop and one screen on each side. And Surface Duo was more like a clamshell phone type of thing. One handed exactly. And no screens on the outside.
So there's just these clean, super thin, like really, really thin devices. And on one hand I got to wonder, it's sort of fascinating like why is Microsoft showing us these super early things a year in advance? But the more you think about it, the more it makes sense. They need to get Apple developers on board, start making their apps compatible.
There's A new fork of Windows. It's Windows 10X. There's going to be an Android version on the smaller. The smaller phone.
I guess we're calling it a phone, but it's also sort of like a phone tablet type thing. But either way, super early to be showing us this, but I like the idea of the 360 hinge. We have this folding phone world happening, unfolding in front of us. But I kind of like that idea.
I do, too. When you first pulled it out, we've seen the fold. So I first thought I was like, oh, man. Like, that's not that cool.
Because we saw one where it actually does that. But then the gut reaction is like, oh, this isn't really a folding screen. That's not so cool. But then the minute he started holding it, opening it, and like flipping it up on the back of each other, it's like, wait a minute, that's.
We're at a whole different aspect here. Like, yeah, maybe the screen doesn't connect in the middle, but there's so much more you can do now. Being able to fold that in at 360°. Yeah.
And I think we got the galaxy fold and like trying to fold it backwards because obviously the hinge stops at 180 degrees. This one, you don't have to worry about that as much. So I like the idea of being able to just like flip it open, have half your screen when you want it sometimes, and then immediately open it up and have both of them. I'm just like, I can't believe how thin they are.
I can't tell you how small I think those batteries are in there. Yeah. He literally, the way he showed us, Neos or no duos. The smaller one.
Right. He had it in his pocket the whole time and we didn't even notice. And he's just like, oh, yeah. And there's this one too.
And he pulls it out of his back pocket. And I was like, oh, geez. Wow. Yeah.
But you're saying you're concerned about battery life. Yeah, potentially. Because anytime you have a screen that big compared to the device, you look at, you know, how long is battery gonna last? And then also when it's that thin, battery has to be small, it folds in half.
So you're splitting the battery in half. So now they're not going the whole width of the phone. So, you know, we'll see. There's a lot of questions yet to be answered.
There's no spec list for it yet. This is just sort of getting it out there ahead of is this the ultimate leak combat strategy is announced a year early. This is kind of the extreme of that, right? That's a pretty good point.
It's going to be hard to leak stuff if you just announced it. Wow. Yeah. This is going to make events really boring or really exciting.
Really boring for the thing you're about to play with next year. Microsoft didn't show off the Pixel 4 at the end of the day, honestly, if they just pulled the Pixel out of the back pocket, I would not have been shocked. Not at all. So I'm really looking forward to seeing the Pixel 5, 6 and 7 at our Google event this year.
All right. But I think the most underrated part, we really show too much in the videos was the sort of campus tour that we did where we saw a lot of the behind the scenes. I would say that tour, I went into it being super excited to see the campus. All these tech campuses are always fascinating to see.
But seeing the behind the scenes and that whole design process blew my expectations. There were some really, really cool things we saw in there. Where should we even start? We had pretty much every magical machine.
Anytime you go one of these, they sort of show you a couple different design iterations of each product. So for the headphones, for example, which are kind of interesting looking, but they showed us like 9, 10 different previous much uglier versions of the headphones before they arrived at that finished final look for the Alcantara, you know, they bring in these samples and they try to get just the right thickness and just the right texture of the Alcantara material on the laptops before they actually decide to manufacture it. And there's all these things that's sort of going to that process, but maybe. Yeah, I'm going to say the best part was anecho chamber for sure.
That was so. So real quick, what are we. We're saying anechoic. Does that mean anti echo Anechoic?
I don't actually know the etymology of the word anechoic, but it is how you think about it. Yeah, there are no echoes. Yeah. So there's a brief clip in there and I'll probably post a photo, but it is the Guinness World Record quietest room in the world.
And that's, I guess, by the amount of reduction from the outside noise. So the actual ambient noise level in the room is like it was negative 20.6, negative 26 BB. Previous record was negative 13, but that's all they had to be. And I was watching a video that I'm gonna post in the show notes for this guy named Gopal.
He was the best legend. Yeah, I honestly think we might have to get him on the podcast one day. It would be cool to do a podcast in the chamber. So paint a picture for me of like we were outside of it with all the video gear, getting ready to walk in.
It sounds normal when you're outside. Paint a picture of like outside versus inside and closing the door behind us. What was that like? Cool.
So like we all got there, we met Kopal. There's this big metal door. It looks kind of like a walk in freezer, like a restaurant. Huge door.
Yeah. He opens that up and you can kind of. You kind of see this like little bridge. And when you walk in there, you realize that you're walking into a room that the entirety of around the room probably has like a three to four foot gap.
So he explained to us that nothing in this room was attached to the rest of the building, that it's within. Pretty much. They drilled all the concrete out from around this room, set it on a bunch of gigantic springs that I think is on its own foundation to avoid any type of structure noise from the building, which just at that point is pretty incredible. It's a floating room, pretty much.
And I think it was another floating room within that room. So there was no floor when we actually walked in. So, yeah. And you walk in and there's this gigantic amount of foam everywhere.
And you're walking on a wire floor so that there's more foam beneath your feet and you're sort of suspended in this space. And then they close the door behind you. Even before they close the door, it just feels off. Like the amount of echo is so reduced even with the door wide open.
And he did a demonstration where he started clapping. And you're like, okay, that sounds kind of strange. And then he closes the door and literally zero echo from the clap. Which is.
It sounds weird. It just sounds like a clap. But a clap with no echo is strange. It's kind of weird.
But like being in that room and this is like the audio nerd in me coming out is there was absolutely no reverb, which meant like the voice you hear in this microphone was like the voice you would hear of me six feet away from you talking to you, minus the door slamming in the back, minus background noise, like literally no background noise at all. If I walk up to you, like, I don't know if you remember really, really early in the studio, if you clapped in this basically empty room, you'd hear the echo of that clap for a couple seconds in a row. Even in a normal room like this, there's a little bit of reverb and echo and bouncing off the walls. And your ears use that to sort of determine how big the room you're in is.
When you get in this room and there's no echo at all, you lose all sense of how big or small the room you're in is. And you can instantly pinpoint exactly where people are. Right. It was strange.
And then the cherry on top was. You turn the light off for a second. Yeah. I feel like you very quickly start to hear yourself swallow.
Then you can hear other people swallow. You can hear literally everything. And then the lights go off, and that was almost overwhelming. It was like an silicon space for a second.
It was very, very strange. I think Brandon started laughing at one point because it was just so quiet and you didn't know what to do. And I think everyone was trying not to make noise, but then you knew you had to not make noise, like, inside of your body, because it's impossible. You literally hear yourself blinking.
You hear an heart beating, and, like, you can hear your hair growing. My favorite. My favorite story is the. Well, I'll just say, not to spoil it, but he had other people in this room, had done this demo before, and he was in the room, and he's used to hearing people's watches.
And he remembers one of the people next to him, he sort of heard like, a tick. Yeah. And when he turned the light back on, he mentioned to the guy, hey, I heard your watch ticking. And the guy said, I'm not wearing a watch.
And he went, oh, interesting. What? Well, I was hearing that noise. What is that, a pacemaker or like, some other, you know, something making a constant clicking noise.
And I said, the guy had recently a heart valve transplant. An artificial heart valve. Yeah. And that was the sound of it opening and closing.
Every heart was doing once per second. And everyone in the room could hear it. Yeah, you could hear that inside the chest of the person next to you, three feet away. That's just wild.
That's unpleasant. So if you ever get a chance to go in an echo chamber, even if it's not for a lab tour or some important reason, it's kind of fun. Yeah. And Microsoft uses it for, you know, actual products, not just to listen to Harvals.
Some really cool stuff. Yeah. I think one of them was they go into the process of what it sounds like when you shut your laptop because they said, a nice sound. Yeah.
Let's get A little Surface ASMR Service Pro too. That's satisfying. That was perfect. Some of the the keyboard clocking is very confident, inspiring.
I think they said that Mercedes was one of the first car manufacturers to design not design a sound, but they have a nice crisp sound on the door shut because it made people feel more secure driving when they knew their car doors were shut. So that's kind of what they brought into the I'd like to believe they engineered that sound, but I also think that might have been coincidence and they just realized it was a satisfying sound for sure and then they probably tried to copy it exactly. Either way, they test fan noise, they test all sorts of other things, the computers in there. But that was a lot of fun.
Shout out to go Paul if we can get him on the podcast that would actually be I would love that for sure. I would love that so much for sure. Quick thank you to Grace and Dan for showing us around Microsoft all day and to all the engineers that took time out of their schedule. I mean this is a week before their launch event.
They probably all had stuff to do and they all sat down and talked with us for hours and like we said, Satya took some time. He super nice spoke with us for a while before the biggest event of their year. It was incredible. I thought we made a couple pretty good videos out of it.
Yeah, big shout out to them. Again you can check out the product videos on the current products, on the foldables, on all that sort of stuff. It's all live on the channel and it was a lot of fun. So let's take a quick break and come back with our first guest, Quinn from Snazzy Labs.
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Well, that's all right. I'm a good guest to bring on for the first time because you can impress me pretty easily. So you have any tips about how to like have guests rather than not having guests? You have a podcast, right?
I don't yet. Oh, really? Watch out though. All right, well, just first time, we're all on a podcast together.
Welcome to the studio. First of all, thanks and great to have you. I'm a big fan of your videos. I'm sure you already knew that.
I've been watching for years, since before you took that break. So this is. I don't know, how many years have you been making videos now? It's been.
It'll be 11 years in December. 11. Does that make you feel old? I've been doing this forever, man.
It's a really long time. It does make me feel old. In fact, in a couple more years I will be. I will have been doing YouTube longer than I have not been doing YouTube.
That's a big step, more than half your life. So for the listeners out there who might not know exactly what you do because you're a tech channel, but how would you describe your videos you haven't seen yet? I would say expect the unexpected. We mostly focus on Apple.
Sure. But we do a lot of kind of DIY projects and just unusual computer builds stuff that's not so much the norm, I guess, for good and bad. What's, what's your last video? Our last video is a weird one.
We got a. I'm not a cinematographer. My videos have never looked as good as yours and I've never tried to make them look good as yours because it's a losing battle. But I do own a C200 cinema camera and I have a cinematographer that works with me and he's much more talented than I, hence the reason for his job.
And I challenged him in a competition, me with a cinema camera and him with an iPhone 11 on who could make a better digital short. Okay. I haven't watched the entire thing yet, but I'm very curious because I've just, just finished my iPhone 11 review and that's got its whole. It's a whole theme or whatever about how easy it is to review that whole sort of thing.
But the cameras on this phone have been pretty much the main thing. People are talking about how fantastic a video and photo camera it is. I'm curious. I have a question for you.
Sure. And this because there's an easy way to answer this question which is kind of like a yes or no or like really exploring it. But do you think you could start a YouTube channel today, in 2019 with just your smartphone camera? Absolutely.
And would it be any good? 100%. Okay. Yeah.
I've always been of the opinion that the content merits more recognition perhaps than the production value, at least from the get go from the beginning. Right. But I mean, if you go back and look at our old videos, that's what you gotta look back at. Yeah.
And we got viewers from the get go in 480p. And sure, the expectations are different now. Yeah, yeah. That's what I think about.
Because like you can start a YouTube channel when we look back at our old videos and like about the barrier entries, like nothing, you can make an absolutely nothing video, but at least you have something to say and it's worth putting up. But when you do that today, there's all this other expectation and all these other things, things that people are used to and watching videos on YouTube that you might not really have right off the bat. So you kind of have to get your feet wet and explore a little bit of production. But I do agree that there's a way to dive into making videos way before getting to the world of buying a camera.
And that's even more true than ever with this new iPhone 11 camera. So that's a good topic. Absolutely. All right, so I want to talk about some recent news with you.
I want to talk Tesla. I'm sure you're shocked, Andrew. I want to talk Tesla because there is a. There's always new Tesla news, but the latest thing is what I would consider Tesla's biggest software Update yet, version 10.
Now, you and I are both Tesla owners. I do not have version 10 on my car. The latest software. Do you have version 10?
Are you getting it? It was installed last night, but I have New York, so I, I didn't. I have not driven it yet. Okay, so it's what happened in version 10.
First of all, there are some new. I can just sort of run through the features. There are some new games you can play in the arcade mode. Cuphead.
Cuphead. Never played it, but it's got a great, fantastic game. It's so frustrating, but very good. Exactly.
And then there's also Netflix, Hulu and YouTube support, so you can watch full screen, high definition YouTube, Hulu and Netflix videos, which is pretty impressive. I don't think you can do that while the cars in drive. No, I think you have to be parked. But the fact that you can actually load hdr, I mean, people can send me screenshots of them at a supercharger.
Just watching videos, that's good enough. By itself, it's awesome. But it's also on the horizontal screen with model 3. And I haven't seen any model S's with this update yet, and so I'm not exactly sure how mine's gonna look.
But Spotify, I'm super great for SATA. That's a big update. I've always been just going from Bluetooth straight into the car. And so you lose a bit of quality through Bluetooth and the album arts.
Not always correct. And there's other sort of quirks about it. But now Spotify is built into the car. All that is awesome.
But my favorite feature, and this is. I use the word favorite loosely here, but the most interesting feature by far is this smart summon update. Sure. Have you seen any of these do you know what Smart Summon does?
Absolutely. I guess you haven't tried yet, but have you seen any videos of people trying to. I've seen videos for. It's been in beta for months.
Right. And I've seen some of the old ones and it was so bad. And now that it's released, it's only a low bad, which is awesome. Yeah.
Maya. Maya. Or I think Andrew said this first. What'd you call it?
I said we're seeing all these videos of it being like parking lots and seeing it have to interact with humans. And I called it kind of like the Samsung, the Galaxy Fold. It was something that works perfectly in a controlled environment. But when we're seeing it in a parking lot with people just walking across the street and turning out of parking spots, it's been pandemonium on Twitter.
It's pretty rough. So, yeah, these videos, man, there's a great video and there's already like dozens that you can go watch. And I can verge my YouTube video about how it's just causing chaos everywhere. There's a great.
One of. It's like there's two examples. One is it's in broad daylight and there's a guy trying to pull out a parking space, and he's literally 30ft from the car, but he's just trying to see. And it tries to pull out the space and then backs in and then tries to pull out again, and people are walking past it and, like trying to get out of the way.
And then a pickup truck tries to pull in the other direction, and it's like now trying again in front of the pickup truck. So it's blocking traffic now and it just keeps going back and forth. I'm going to not exaggerate. I think a full minute just trying to get out of this parking space and eventually it gets over to him.
But it was just a really poor example. But the other example, which is why I think Yali's full, is it had a sort of a great version where it was pouring rain and some. This family had their Model 3 across a rainy parking lot. Instead of walking all the way across the parking lot, they summoned it through the rain to the door of the store and they were just dragged across the rain into the car.
That's one version of it where, like, you get a glimpse into the future and it's exciting. But I'm just sort of curious about your overall Tesla story, because if I remember correctly, you used to be one of the most outspoken critics about Elon's companies. I was how, how did that go? Was the test drive that won you over or was there a whole process there?
Yeah. For years I had heard quality control problems of the S and the X and I had always had in the back of my mind that Tesla was making cool cars. I just didn't feel that their quality merited the price tag and that you were paying for the technology more so than you were paying for the vehicle itself. And I'm a, I like driving cars.
And so I had driven Model S, one of the earlier ones, I believe it was a P85D and was not impressed by it because while it was fast in a straight line, I felt like the steering was very vague and it didn't feel good. It felt like a prototype beta car to me. And when the Model 3 came out, they had as you know, tons of issues trying to get them off the line. Lots of hype, lots of issues, delays.
They didn't hit the price targets. They had all sorts of quality control issues from the beginning. And as you kind of are in the Internet hide mind, it's easy to get kind of caught up in how this thing sucks or whatever without really having tried it. And I finally decided when I was gonna go buy a new car that I just for fun, so I could eliminate it as an option.
Just be able to say you tried it and that's why you didn't. Yeah, the Model 3 Performance and I knew that I wasn't like the interior, I thought it wasn't that great looking of a car. And I went and I had a 10 minute test drive and then I bought the car. That's kind of how my process was.
I was, I was pretty convinced I wanted one. But then I did the test drive and I was like, I'm definitely going to get this car. It was a test drive. It's, it's really hard to describe.
I mean you have to drive an electric vehicle to really know. Yeah, I agree. The regen braking and the acceleration and the response on the throttle is incredible. There's no purple lag.
The second you push the accelerator you're going. Yeah. And that's gonna, that's the thing, you kind of just, you get used to it and you drive another car, it's very different. There's a couple other things.
I've become kind of that guy who's like so used to the Tesla. Cause it's been three years now. Sure. Um, I had an instance where I went down to family in Florida and I was driving my mom's car to like Go get present shopping or something like that.
And I had a moment where I got out of the car, closed the door and started walking into the store. Realized as I was walking away from the car that was still on and I was walking away from a running car. Because when you get out. Yeah.
You get out of electric car and you just get out and it's off. You walk away. Yeah, I had to walk back to the car turned off and really shame myself for something there. So this is a, this is the thing that happens.
You get the test drive, you get either obsessed or you don't care. Most people sort of flip that switch and that's how it happens. And I love the car as it is. I think it's.
I actually think the interior on the Model 3s is really good. And the newest Model S's handle way better than the older ones. Have you driven one of the newest ones? I don't remember what they call those.
They just call it performance. Now the new refresh though, they just, I mean, it's not really an interior refresh, but they changed battery pack design. Right. They call it Raven, right?
Yeah. So I have a driven. Oh, you've driven a Raven. The handling is so much better than the older Model S.
It's not even fun. Interesting. I'm a big fan of my car right now, which is obviously a three year old. Still, to a new car it is.
You know, it's funny, we talked about how Tesla doesn't do refreshes, but they kind of do. I've been waiting for the inevitable Tesla refresh and my lease ended a week ago and I figured out as I was texting my Tesla rep, you can do a lease extension for up to six months, one month at a time. That's a bit more expensive, but it's better than buying outdated car and having a refresh happen instant. So I've extended my lease six months.
Now it's up in March. I think that's smart. And they better refresh it by March or I'm gonna feel like a terrible. I've wasted many, many dollars.
You've heard anyone? Yeah. So please make it happen. What do you.
Have you seen them? Also, not to keep going into Tesla, but the refresh of Model S, going on a track and having a track range version. Do you care all about that? The plaid version?
The plaid model. I think that's sick because the main criticism behind Tesla is that it's a really fast and straight line and that's all I can do. And I think the three was the first time Tesla actually kind of proved to people that actually their cars really can handle excellently. And the low center of gravity because the battery pack is on the floor is a really big advantage, despite the car being.
My Model 3 weighs as much as a 4F150, and it's a tiny little Savannah bananas. It's 4,100 pounds. But I think with the Model 3, they kind of proved that they were capable of it, and I think they further reiterated on that with Raven. And so I'm really excited for the new platform and eventually what will become the Roadster, because I think it's Tesla really flexing their muscles and saying, we're not.
I mean, we're already very far ahead in terms of powertrain, but now we're starting to lock down the categories that we previously quote, unquote, weren't able to do, and then putting other automakers. Kind of a shame. I've kind of thought about this as a whole topic of just talking about the state of electric cars, and I sort of, you know, we've glossed over before, but obviously Porsche made a huge stride of. They're releasing their Taikan Taycan.
Taycan sometime soon. But it's. It's obviously the competition is making both of them take pretty far steps forward, so. Awesome.
Yeah. We win. We win that way. We do.
Sweet. So every time Mac Pro, our Mac Pro comes up on our channel, we inevitably get a ton of, why don't you just build a PC? And then some people understand the reason Final Cuts is why don't you build a hackintosh? Yep.
I just don't think people understand how complicated that is. So for people who watch Nazi, he does a lot of videos on it. A lot of really great videos on it. And I would just love to hear what your thoughts on Hackintosh in general are and why it's not just like a go buy a bunch of cheap parts and now you're on macOS.
What's the state of the hackintosh in October 2019? It's kind of a weird. It's in limbo a little bit. Catalina is proving to be a little bit difficult because of all the new security features built into the os.
There are Catalina builds running pretty well, but Mojave was kind of, I think, peak Hackintosh. And every year it's kind of the reverse. I mean, there's almost this kind of renaissance of Hackintosh right now because you look at, like, iOS jailbreaks. They're completely different, by the way.
But There's a little bit of parallel. They were really popular in the early days of the iPhone when the hardware was new and then became increasingly difficult as Apple started hacking exploits. And now it's basically not a thing. Yeah.
Unless you have. Did you hear about the latest thing from the. No. What's the latest thing?
Every phone from the iPhone 4S to the iPhone X can be permanently jailbroken because of a bootloader exploit. Oh, a quick bug forever. It can always be jailbreak. It's a really big deal.
Nice. Anyway, so if you're on the house, that's a whole different. Sorry, I'm getting off topic. So you look at the Mac, because Apple's hardware, year by year, is becoming more and more similar to everyone else's hardware.
They do have the T2 chip in their Macs that does SSD controlling and boot security. But it really is. It's a PC. Right.
There's nothing. The newest Mac Pro is coming out, is it, Tower? And you'll see a lot of those ports. Yeah.
Yeah. So there's not really anything super special about the specific hardware. And so it's been increasingly easy to trick the bootloader. To trick the EFI is what they call it, the piece of software that talks to the chipset on the motherboard.
That convincing me that it's a PC. It's legit. Yeah. And so I think in the last year or so, it's actually really easy to make a hackintosh, almost to the point where there's almost a universal install guide for everyone to get the system booted and ready to go.
Now there are, you know, getting your network card to work and Bluetooth sometimes is a little hassle, so there's always. That'll be an early step. So for those who don't know, a long time ago I did a Hackintosh build. I was in a similar spot.
I don't even remember what version of macOS this was, but I wanted to try Mac OS. I didn't even have a software reason. I wasn't on cut yet. But I was like, I'd like to try Mac.
I had a Mac Mini, but I was like, I want to do Hackintosh and have, like, a really powerful machine. And at that point it was like, well, there's only a couple different motherboards and a couple different CPUs and graphics cards, and you have to follow, you know, a certain build guide that's been proven to work, and you can sort of go through these steps and maybe it'll probably work. And if you can get it to working all these steps perfectly, then you have a Hackintosh and you have a PC that will boot on Mac OS X or whatever version it was. My biggest downside with my Hackintosh I built is you could not turn it off.
Yeah. Or put it to sleep. You could never update it. Never update it.
So I had. I had mine running. If there was a security issue, I couldn't update macOS. So I had a.
Constantly on. Always running Hackintosh for probably about a year there. And I gave it a shot. But it's good to know it's actually gotten easier.
But now we're coming up on the new Mac Pro coming out, and obviously that'd be much more expensive, but it seems like the Hackintosh scene is going to keep driving. It is. It really depends. I mean, what you say still holds merit.
I think it's important to consider A, your budget and B, what kind of work you're expecting to do on Hackintosh because it is inarguable. And people will try to argue with you that the building a Hackintosh is not only not easier to make, but once it's up, that it's not always a sunny day. There are sometimes issues with system updates. There are sometimes issues about hardware incompatibilities, especially if you're working in a Pro workflow.
Some video codecs are not enabled or they're slower, they're throttled, or they're limited. And so people ask me, as the guy who makes a lot of hackintoshes on this channel, why do you have my macro in the background? And my answer is, because it always works all the time, 100%. And Hackintosh, no matter how good it is, can't do that.
And to me, it's not worth it to have to. Even if it's only troubleshooting one or two hours a year. That's one thing I want to have to do. Exactly.
And when it comes to support or when it comes to something like, like, like you said above being found, you have to update MacQuest real quick because you know, you don't want that security vulnerability. You just can't make that happen quite as easily on Hackintosh, so. And when you think about it, it doesn't sound that surprising. Like, wow.
Yeah, it's literally called the Hackintosh. It's kind of has to be. Yeah. Something we slap together doesn't work 100% of the time.
Yeah. Yeah. No, it's a fun world. I'm glad I'm Glad it still is a thing that people work on and it's, it's an option for some people.
Like you said, you have to know what you want to do with it. But I am, I'm with you where I know exactly what I want to do on my computer and that does not include troubleshooting and small things like that. So I've been on this Imac Pro. I am unbelievably ready for the Mac Pro.
So am I. I'm so ready for it. Do you know like you're definitely gonna get. Absolutely.
Do you know what spec you're gonna get or you're just gonna see what happens. So pricing has yet to be announced. Exactly. That's gon large part of it.
We want to buy a base model and then see how far we can push the upgrades as part of the video. But I think if it's anything like the Imac Pro, which I'm much like, it's going to be relatively similar. Apple likes to keep the same ASP average sales price across their line. And so what you generally see is that as you upgrade the machine, the machine upgrades are actually pretty reasonable.
I used to charge you Armor Light for RAM and you upgrade always ram. Yeah. And it's still rough but by the time you do it yourself, you're really not saving much money, if any at all. And because it's an open box, right.
The macro people off the side panel, you're ready to go. I can't imagine Apple's going to rip people off because they just won't do it. I can definitely imagine Apple ripping people off. I'll just put that out there.
I can definitely imagine that you can replace the RAM yourself in five minutes. Yes. Double for that. Yeah, maybe because I've seen over the years and I fought the same thing and I guess you can't upgrade the RAM and quality computers.
I'm remembering recent memory but like they would charge like you know, one and a half times the price of the RAM that you could upgrade yourself. That's maybe, I don't know if maybe the average customer of the Mac Pro is less likely to do that or if they're going to just buy wherever they can work from Apple because there's going to be enterprise customers that just buy the complete buying this machine and education market and they don't want to pay some IT guys to switch out the ram. They just want it ready to go. Yeah, some might happen.
So we'll see. But I hope not. But I have high hopes for this Mac Pro. I'm also.
I'm curious because we're both creators and we had a video things like all the time. Are you the monitor guy? Are you. Yeah.
Mac Pro. So you're just one monitor guy. I am a one monitor man and I always have been. Really.
I even had a PC for a while that was using back in my premiere days. Yeah. That I was using for video editing. And I tried two monitors, didn't like it and went back to one.