Middle Earth's Realms of Men | Living By The Lore

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This time, on Living by the Law, we look at the great kingdoms of men in Tolkien's Lord of the Rings mythos and how their rise and fall shapes the world. This episode contains spoilers for the prologue of the Law of the Rings, and more likely rings of power later seasons. I am eternally plagued by cissafian tasks, because as of recent as you boys know, as I will open up the audience for a moment, I was recently diagnosed with ADHD and receiving treatment for it. What do you need?

Are you good? I was diagnosed with it's used like in TV so there was a cancer. I was like, he's about to dance in his cancer level. I said, as you guys already know, I was diagnosed with ADHD, which means that I am now able to actually try and get shit done during the day.

It has, however, plagued me with an incurable need to find out if I am doing something the correct way. Water. No one is drinking enough water. Apparently, I need to drink three and a half liters a day.

That's three and a half of the large drink bottle that I have at the desk. I actually looked this up. That's actually not true. The three liter, the two to three liter number come from all liquids you're taking all day.

That includes meals, liquids in food, liquids in stuff like soup, or milk, you're drinking or coffees. So that's all liquids in a day. Regardless, I'm drinking the wrong amount of liquor. My piss is not clear.

If you research anything about, I have a nice coffee set up at home. And I'm not totally sure you're supposed to say I have a nice Coke. I have a nice coffee at home. I got it from Facebook Marketplace.

It was very cheap. I also got, I saw I have nice quality coffee equipment. I'm like, this is nice. I can make an alright latte out of this.

I wonder if there's something better I could be doing. Hellhole. Hellhole. Years of effort.

Literally, one of the main guys who talks about it calls his followers coffee weirdos and specifically says, this is not a hobby you get into. If you just want to make a coffee, this is for people who want to spend half an hour playing with coffee. And that's lovely. And that's whimsical.

But I got a fucking job to get to. I got shit to do. But as soon as I know that there's a better version that I can be chasing, I'm plagued by this. Sisophia and task of eternally trying to figure out what the fuck I'm doing wrong.

Yeah. You've gone from one extreme to the other. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You've gone from just accepting like the bare minimum to having to get the maximum out of everything.

I. Yeah. That's correct. Whenever there are Sisophia and talks, I have tasks.

I sorry, sorry, sorry me the other day. That was Sisophia had one repeating task for I have 20. Yeah. I wish I was Sisophia.

Yeah. Oh, what drink water? Why to piss again? To piss again?

This eternal I scream I need to have any release from this eternal damnation. You guys brains work in a way that just makes me confused sometimes. Don't you not think about, I will go whole days without drinking a sip of water and then realize, oh shit, I need to drink water because it's good for me not because I want to drink water because I need to. And then I'll just down like four water bottles.

I'll go to the sink, fill up with water bottle, I'll down it at the sink and then I'll go, I didn't want to. And I'll fill it up again and down it again. And then I'll fill it up again. And I walk away and like the second one's always harder.

It is. I don't know why that is. No, I understand. Today, I'm cheating.

Leave it alone. What do you want to bet? Okay. No, but like, what do you forget?

What do you do if you have drug water all day? I want to throw out the day. What do you do if you haven't? What do you do if you haven't got a chance?

Wait for adult like, and then I get thirsty and then I go and drink some water. Do you smash a drink bottle down? Yeah, like a full bottle. Yeah, maybe you should drink water all at once.

Why not? Because it's not good for your buddy. You meant to me. It's not good for your body.

You need to drink three and a half litres of water a day. It doesn't say over the whole course of the day in small sips. Otherwise, I'll be optimizing every second. I'm going to get on a fucking IV drip.

I do the same thing with food. I think it's a little more psychopathic. That's a little worse. I will not eat for like four days.

Yeah, you do. It scares me. And then I'll eat like the biggest meal. I'll make like a whole quiche or like a pie.

The funniest fucking thing I've seen in my life D&D the other day. We sit down at the table and that pulls out half a quiche at a top where we go. Are you eating half a quiche at dinner? He goes, no, I've got more food.

We go. Okay. He eats the half a quiche. He sits there for maybe an hour or so.

I'm still hungry. Pulls out the other half a quiche at the top of the table. I've went into a container that's one for the comedic value of bringing out the second half of the quiche at an hour. We were thinking about the bit.

I'm glad to know that. The bit was in mind, but also like I couldn't fit all the quiche at a long time. That was half of it. You're a blessed specimen.

Speaking of blessed specimens. Shout out to the head challenge. I just got kicked out of the leaves. Just staring me down.

That's great. I love it. No, today we're going to talk about men. Nice.

Damn word. Men. Men. Men.

But not men. Men. Go on to the idea of collaboration. Because like any good Tolkien episode, I'm going to start with a quick language lesson.

Ah, delightful. I'm glad we threw it. I'm glad we threw it. I'm glad we threw it.

In Tolkien the English teacher. That motherfucker. I'm glad we have a three. Professor.

I'm glad we have three teachers on a quarter. I was talking about men. Men. Men.

Men. Men. That is because, at least for the sake of this episode, as always in Tolkien's writing, the word men or man is used in a non-gendered way. It is a generic man as a human.

Curiosity, because Tolkien's working his mythos and as well, is heavily steeped in and taken from Anglo-Saxon teachings and language. In our world, not Tolkien world, the term is originally, and the reason why Tolkien uses the non-gendered specific man is because originally there was three words. We're a man, with man, and man. Man meaning either either anything in between.

We're a man, meaning man, in the modern sense of male, and with man being a ten-four man. Which over time the we're from where man got dropped, and then we're stuck around with it words like werewolf, werewolf, werewolf, man wolf, etc. And then with man eventually dropped the f and became women. And then the i became an arm.

And that's how the language evolved, from Anglo-Saxon English to modern English? To life in otymology, unemology. I fucked this up the other day. Etymology is one thing.

Intemology is another thing. It is. Intemology is bugs, isn't it? Yeah.

Scoot this guy we can learn about some real world lore. Real world lore. What's this? Do you wanna chat?

Real world lore? I'm sorry. I always find a way of sneaking real shit. But yeah.

Just for curiosity sake, that is the reason why, because I mean, that's the way to write in 60s. ish 50s to 60s across many many years actually but the time period that I was written in it was a well and truly into a time when using Saying men would typically be just talking about a male rather than either sense of the word or either sense of the word Are you telling me JR talking was a petant surprise me? God on God on earth. I would not believe that JR talking would be a guy who cares about the details I I've no idea what you mean whereas because he's trying to steep in and lean in towards the lean in towards the Saxon law That was so funny Horrible I just was trying to open a red book and I was gonna do a bit about it But then you'd start imitating to do it so I ripped a coffin pull that trigger I kept like a little bit like slightly louder and like trying to repeat myself slightly louder But it's even worse.

I think the cough was worse, but then that was definitely worse. That's what um in any case We're gonna talk about the realms of men men men man The creation of the rest of men in tokens world the mythos of ader and returning to middle earth This middle earth is worth And age of men is not the last time we talked about any of this we've had a couple of other things episode It's not for a few years now. I hate that we can say that fuck don't why dare you um but The last time we talked about stuff we're gonna touch on in this episode was our second ever episode of the podcast We did the second age and numinal and talked about that because I thought it was gonna be close to when rings of power came out And then they pranked us and we waited like another three years Um, so anyway, and we now have rings of power and you can watch rings of power and that's that and you can hear me talk about rings of power I'm a many conflicting thoughts on it in the minisodes speaking up You can sign up to our patreon at least oh my gosh I'm on the lips and kiss guy on the lips become a lawkeeper today. I'm gonna lower the picture Yep, hashtag subscribe hashtag pay money hashtag By the disclosure, you do not get the kids go on lips.

That's me. I'll make a digital though I'll do that in unity I'll 3D scan myself and put it make a unity game week is fine cool anyway So of course I'm sure that both of you remember perfectly clearly that the second age middle earth We talked about the war of wrath. Can you tell me what the war of wrath was? Oh?

God, it was lots of men Angry that was four years ago. Okay. Okay, let me think about it. Okay, so so something about the elves no Sauron Sauron got evicted from After the big war you know what I really hate you know what I hate Guy just got more correct in token than Matt.

Let's go Sauron's not a big player in the war with wrath yet. This is more go first the balla. Yeah I was gonna say This way they started making like magic weapons and shit was this they did make some magic weapons here at some point Yeah, I think that was more gothcraft It all sorts of dragons and all sorts of monsters and it was it oh yes Yes, apocalypse Liptic level gods versus gods sort of creation event era war thing Like and then we had the rise of new manor the full of new manor we talked about what happened and Sauron came in and Totally seduced the fuck out of new manor and talked them into doing things. That's what Matt was trying to get there Anyway, we're gonna talk a little bit more today in the setup for we've got the movie coming out really really soon War of the row here and looking like it'll be a pretty epic movie We're gonna talk more about that.

We're gonna talk about where Han a bit more but today We're gonna start with where men began and talk about the original kingdoms of man So this is part two to episode two now episode 78. We're doing good I suppose if you want to phrase it that way Well, it's not you don't need to go back and listen to that episode in any way shape or form One patreon's they're like yeah So to refresh our memories the origin of man In the context of middle-earth Jara talk I'm sad I just want Adam and Eve in the garden. Yep. Nope.

That's not Mankind in tokens world was created by the supreme god aluvatar remember aluvatar. Yes, the name rings about yep That's okay awakening in hildorion at the rising of the Sun after the elves dwarves and ends had all been made They were called the afterborn nice because they were born after the Sun Yeah, the other thought they were They in quenya they refer to as the one of the elven languages atani or in the other elven language of cindarim that you dane So a lot of words just then man where the fuck is Kenya? Quenya is one of the elven languages right? Right, yeah in the elven language afterborn is a tani Gotcha or in the other elven language of cindarim it is Edan yep And Edan is what we're going to be referring to them for all of this episode so Edan means man Edan He dane sorry he dane he dane he dane Men bought the gift of a luvatar which is mortality and therefore aged And died with it when their time came and was a sample of illness and diseases She gave as opposed to elves who were immortal in the sense that they are not susceptible to aging and diseases I mean yes That is what immortal means difference is and the reason for this Is and the reason that it is a gift is because it means that elves are much more intrinsically tied to ader or the world Meaning that even after death they remain tied to the world they pass into the undying lands and a reincarnated They basically trapped in this perpetual world However, this means that the gift that men receive is that they are not bound to ader and that even the val are themselves Do not know what ultimate fate awaited the souls of men So they could be completely free and to separate after life that even the gods don't know of holy shit They get free of the fucking world.

That's the gift is getting to stop living Considering what some of the souls of the dams have been put up to in Lord of the Rings and that particular talking series Yeah, sure that question though. Yeah dwarves are they do they give to it? I also reborn in from the earth Keep mining this little dwarves come out of the earth That's a little bit more complicated of a question because they're not one of the children of luvatar Oh, okay, so yeah, I forgot only the only the elves and man were created by the big boy The other dwarves were not meant to be only the god of forgen Smith's created the dwarves and created them against the luvatar's wishes And a luvatar was going to murder them all but then the other gods went no But they're cute and stuff and then the luvatar decided to let them live and that's part of the reason that they're blessed with slightly longer life But not fully no dad that's genocide the as well a luvatar declared that after the world's end the men and not the elves would play a bigger part in the second music of the Anna which is basically saying that when the world ends and we create everything again in the second coming The men are gonna be here The elves might be and the idea is that the men have been able to move on to something else and create something else All of this is to say that a luvatar created the nature of men to be More creative and not as strict and locked into the rules and not locked into the paths laid out before them in the way that elves are This explains so this is actually lining up so well because it's one of those things where it's like I you know being Gratiated with fantasy tropes. It's like oh, yes elves are always so huitey-toysian won't do anything That's like yeah because humans have the not the adaptability of the individual But the adaptability of the race because they are fucking replaced so they die so fucking fast Yeah, the elves are very tied to their place Exactly and the least in the tokens scope of it This is because they've been given this gift of freedom this gift of almost more of a freedom of mind and freedom of thought than the elves have got They aren't as drawn to do particular things in the way that I went on a mini rant about it four years ago We did the last episode but everything's created in the music and the song of creation by a luvatar who started the song and All of the paths of the world and everything is like laid out in a story already by luvatar Everything is already written and the elves are like ingratiated and locked into that path men are not they have a lot more Choice they have a lot more freedom.

Yeah, I was gonna say like I remember the song and how everything's kind of written out for except for like humans Yeah, so humans like the one thing to have like free will in this world. Yeah, do hobbits also kind of that? Less so less so they do have like a they seem to have like a It's a kind of yes, they're free, but they're also quite lazy is the thing They don't have like the driving force hobbits a comfort men are pushing and striving if that makes sense I suppose to really simplify it. Yeah, I'm A little bit also for told that men being imperfect would stray often and not use their gifts in harmony.

However, he also noted that to quote From a little bit of talk and these two in their time shall find that all that they do rebounds at the end only to the glory of My work basically all of which to say is a little bit are created men to be striving to be pushing to be curious all of this sort of thing But that was his intention that was his plan so then going off and doing all of these different things as much as it may seem to people Like the elves how could you do that? How could you create that? How could you go in that direction that is what was intended for them? That is the intended path?

It was my plan all along exactly The elves however consider men a burden to many of the other valor especially manway Who's one of them or major the god of eagles if you will the eagles connected the one that the elves primarily worship I guess you could say it's a real simplified and they believed that men resembled more more goth than of all the other valor And it was true that men had more of a desire of power than any other race in the earth But in truth the dark lord feared and hated men more than any other race It's like that freedom to be able to choose where it's like some the races are usually locked into their way random factor And that is that is the random factor in that it's also something like yeah exactly and that is the thing where like as much as the Elves are mighty and this all powerful race that do incredible feats in Tolkien's lore and are like superhuman beings You also kind of see it time and time again be They can get defeated by evil because they are so predictable and what they're going to do And that can often be there undoing in their demise whereas humans have that little bit a little bit of spunk to them I guess a little bit of shit far. Yeah, exactly exactly. They like to roll the dice Yeah, I do like how God just blatantly plays favorites Plays just well the idea is that men will create a second after the Sun because they were meant to become the inhabitants of the world Or as the elves will create to help shape the world before the rising of the Sun. They're the second coming.

Yeah, yeah, literally They're the afterborn that's literally what they are the elves Christ. Yeah, the elves are the architects and the humans are the players Exactly and that's the kind of reason that like especially as you get to like the third age in middle earth like where the movies take place The elves are leaving because that's the end of their time and the idea is of tokens world Which I feel like I probably I may have mentioned at some point But the whole idea of tokens world is that like if you take the end of the movies and go forward like a few thousand years You'd end up in our modern world. Yeah, you get to our eventually right Yeah, like middle earth right in the middle ages is that kind of kind of I love him? You get mildly isn't sure whether he should be annoyed at that or not.

No, it's more just more just a barrel It's more it's more it's more not letting us get into a completely different. I'll just I'll just brush that off with a kind of With this is so volatile to go off it so debate that brings us to with that background that brings us to a thing I talked about last time in one of the Lord of Rings episodes And there are three types of men in this setting ultimately when you get down to it Despite any and all cultural differences any and all physical traits or differences you can separate them into three categories And to go back on to script though. Well, men of art are were related by blood They were sundered and different cultures developed the most renowned group of men were what became the Edane the word a day used to refer to all men But the elves began using it to specify only one particular group of men and that was the men that joined the elves in the first Age and fought against Morgoth in the war of wrath These men we talked about a lot last time in the numenor episode as the adane and they later renamed themselves to the doon Dain if you know Lord of the Rings or watch the movies or read the books or know the doon adane Aragon is one of the doing it in what other was Ranger folk For their services and assistance to the elves and the valor the adane were rewarded with a new land of their own the big island of Numenor which gets raised out of the ocean halfway between middle earth and the undying lands This is the island that separates the perils of middle earth from the new minority It's kind of get a little island paradise and the adane were led to this island by a elf Name sorry my stomach is singing. I should not today I've had one such role a full thing of monster energy and I'm true slant a red ball and that's about it I just see a nearly like stomach is a Million loudest youth voice just a googling.

It's winbering. It's crying So an elf by the name of El Ross You may be thinking that name sounds similar to Elrond if you've watched or read anything even guy knows the name Elrond I'm sure seems familiar Yep, the dude whose face floats in adanow were in the order of the rings and you were like oh face I don't know when Frodo's like in Rivendell and he's like Becoming to the poison and a random face floats in healing him. We're like in a ghost world thing with that kind of What about him? I was there again doff these hours ago.

Yeah Sildor yeah, that's our so Elrond's brother El Ross one of the others Elrond and our first half elven Yep, Ron and Ross El Ross when you're half elven in this world you get to choose between mortality or immortality Elrond shows immortality Elros shows mortality and with the guidance of his father Elros sales this group of men who are given this gift to the island of Numenor and He then becomes the first king of Numenor known as time in Yata and the day in renamed themselves to the dune today At this stage and then the kingdom of Numenor grows in power and becomes Super noble and mighty and hoity-toity and they ally themselves of the elves and they become more elf like that's fucking crazy No, they become more chad Okay, they they go from seeing the elves as above them to seeing the elves as equals to seeing the elves as lesser over time American I mean yeah And now that they there's a few times here Which we talked about way back when but to super summarize in a few paragraphs in like a sentence They ally with the elves and fought fight against Morgoth's lieutenant Sauron who's kicking around at this time Morgoth's been defeated, but Sauron's the big bad now It kind of goes into this cycle where the elves struggle bursting Sauron and the Numenorians get on their boats come across and go Someone giving you trouble big boys. Let's put him in his place and just beating the shit out of Sauron a couple of times And that basically happens a few times and that's where they start to go Maybe these elves ain't it maybe they don't maybe they aren't clean up their mess every fucking sure yeah Yeah, which I mean fair enough right and now that these men of the west had become so powerful They begin to resent the gift of men or death if you will They wanted to become properly immortal like elves and enjoy their accumulated power and wealth all time rather than being limited to These men are still getting a lifespan of like 300 years because they're blessed seems very Wait, so they're sorry. They're blessed. They're not these aren't half elves.

No, okay, sorry I got my wrist on the side that you can honestly blood honestly if you if it helps your brain You can definitely think of these guys as half elves because like if you were to put them into a D&D terms They pretty much are half elves really you just said half elves get to choose yeah, I know you'll have a quarter eight six th elf they have a little Well, it's there are half off in the sense if they have a they have an exceptionally long life and are quite a bit stronger and more Sturdy and more resilient than a normal man, but they're not properly immortal in the way that like middle earfels could literally live They go to go to them. I can't they fuck the elves they can they do then God willing do it they do then why other Oh, you mean like fuck the other like like have sex of the old I did mean fuck the old Yeah, they're having sex with them. Why do we make my own kids who are then more half elf not have the choice They do so then my relative my child just have better kids. I mean yeah I don't know it's a bigger issue for half of an half of a baby.

Do they get to choose? I Know no, no, that's these guys of kids of half elves aren't they kind of they wait they we down their blood with a lot of the humans Yeah, Elrond and Elrond are the true half-elven ones The men that are on this island are just the men that fought with the elves in the war of wrath or the descendants of the men that did And they got blessed by the gods to have this extended elf blessing not yeah Yeah, I give you choice of blessing give you more juice, but not exactly exactly. Yeah, you got a real low I really basic really simplify uh-huh you've anyone has a loose vague idea of what the rings of this podcast I'm sure Aragon you can get the idea for Aragon is yeah, he is One of those range of hope he is of the descent of sprinkling of godness. Therefore.

He just is longer life Uh-huh look at the country The province of Spain came up and aragon I'm not aragon and Here's waifu wife Elph Arwen. Uh-huh she is a descendant of Elrond therefore She gets the choice of mortal life or immortal life. So she's a half elf She's the daughter she's got two elven parents, but because she's the daughter of Elrond She gets the choice. Oh, I got that She's the most elf-looking motherfucker I've ever seen so that one yeah fair enough Honestly, but she gets the choice and she of course chooses a mortal life with you with Aragon.

Oh, yes exactly that beautiful moment Beautiful moment here's Twitter wolf wrong elf, but nice close enough. Yeah, he's like great great great great great great great great great Yes cousin yes Don't worry about Living by the Lord official debate how far apart do you have to be cousins before it's cool continue? No mind if I abandon this I see the reaction I can feel the room turn alive so anyway Numenorians began to turn away from the valor in the holes and they began to call the gift of men the doom of men and cursed the valor For banning them from sailing to the undying lands. Yes island stinky So in near the year three thousand of the second age This is like thousands of years after the island's been raised out of the waters They've had a long time to go Long generations let me go down one of the Numenorian kings began becomes the first Numenorian king to not take an elven name But instead take a name in the language of men a do you know I do make which I will not say again Just another word to throw he becomes John Smith man man man man.

He's a man No, I want to hear this because if it's some fucking fantasy elf bullshit. I'll be mad I'll do Nicole that's a fucking elf bullshits up. I get it's not over official language. I think you should know to be Hugh man Yes, you come on This point this is pretty controversial this is very controversial for the human audience Oh, yeah, and the people of Numenor become incredibly divided into two distinct factions the king's men who?

Enjoyed the support of the king and were the majority of the people they favored this new human language and despires The elven language good movie the minority faction The minority faction the faithful were led by the Lord a dune in the west of Numenor and they still favored cinder end the elven language And they favored friendship with the elves So I run at this point who's been beaten by the luminorians a bunch of times and actually shit scared of them suddenly goes hmm Numenorians are turning against the elves Interesting civil wars we take advantage of this division and he surrenders to the last Numenorian king our phalazon who watches other rings Power Remember because he is in the rings of power he's your man He's the old man that likes over from your which is interesting because in the books merely our land I've had as on our husband and wife but in the rings of power They've made them cousins that are competing for the same thread anyway I'm as long as they don't fuck I guess Anyway, I was buying when it was fucking in the game of thrones, but now we're all getting hoity toy about all right chill out I was at five minutes came with us. Okay, okay And what need are these things sorrow and worked his way into the king's councils Ultimately sorrow and advised him that it would be a really good idea to get all the lads on ships and go and attack the old And lands of the lands of the gods valin on They do it they could claim immortality for themselves I know it's in a bottle you just fucking drink guys. I know someone's actually but get the boys together gone ships and go fucking Conquets pretty can also say every way it's not like I know Some fucking charm magic or the fact that someone's just like a little bitch And he's just got a silver tongue, but also sometimes when you just lay his plan out It's like hey you guys should go kill yourself this will work out. I promise and they're like yes every history says he's the Lord of Evil Lord of Evil do not trust him on betrayer Hey guys, I know I'm gonna surrender to you guys and also you should go take the But also King was fucking sorry on the side is that what I mean maybe But honestly by norians realistically To look at it the only reason that they've been fighting Sauron is because Sauron is getting for is forced into war with the elves Because a lot with the exception of a few times it's usually Sauron building up forces and the elves coming in to fight him Man just want to build civilization the elves come and attack me I'm a defensive so for the new norion's perspective as they slowly start to turn against the elves then it does raise the question of Well the only reason we came in for this guy was because the elves thought it was the right thing But because they now think the elves are the bad guys They're like well actually maybe he was right and he's surrendered to us and he's helping us and he's giving us gifts And he's giving us secrets that we didn't understand and using powers to help us Sauron Yeah, I get it.

I like he's in the movies and he's just like a big shadowy scary guy with a sword And it's like he's he's law evil Can you can you do me a favor real quick and can you just google rings of power Sauron? I'll show you and then tell me that this man was hot as fuck. Oh my god Is that with that to him? Yeah, that's him.

Yeah, that's him. No, no, no, hold on. What's the fucking elf guy? Oh, he also done the elf version.

Okay, I was gonna say fucking forehead landing strip The other guy the brown hand one. Oh, no, I know but like that's that's a whole not a lot There's a two different fantasies right there. He does I think he looks better as a human. Oh, yeah That's so what the fuck I can see how that some people's type the other one, but I prefer the human I was more like you know, we honest.

Okay. This is good. That's pretty good. That's pretty good He looks like wrong.

You want to know what you looks like you look like you saw around L4. Yeah, and a tell the Lord of gifts I think that makes sense. Yeah, he's hot. He's hot.

He's not he only really becomes the big metal dark spooky spirit thing later What I'm saying is you know in Lord of the Rings the like one thing I've half watched it's like oh he's Lord evil and he's got his Gallegions and he's so powerful. It's like any made rings for people like how did anyone ever fucking trust this guy with the context of Everything else that talking wrote kind of makes more sense and see this even more so I get it. It does like Like that is one curse of not being immortal, right? You have people you change your mind and you don't see the whole picture where elves get to be out of me with air when it happened, right?

Exactly. It's it's good like I said before it's pretty key that this is happening in the nearly the year 3000 second age if you consider just have Absolute max these men the kings of no more living for like 250 to 300 years absolute max if you think about how many people they've gone through To get to this point as opposed to the elves who have like 10 people who have just been there the whole time and also like the Thing about like oh my brain just talking I'm gonna keep going. We don't need these out of it. Oh my god.

Anyway, um, so the They decided this we really good idea and so go for it. They decide let's go attack the godlands and take immortality for ourselves um The lord of the faithful and and and uni Um went on his own ship just solo traveler style through the offlands first to warn the elven lords that the numanor men were coming Um, he's never heard from again and we don't know what happens to him for sure But we do know that in what happens next his followers the faithful are allowed safe passage out So presumably he got through and the gods took beating on him. He went to fucking heaven. Um, anyway Whatever their case numanor arrives on the shores of the undying lands and aluvatar loses his fucking mind and sinks the island of numanor and destroys their entire Goat I like yeah god come on you you could see this coming from a while away Yeah, can't just get mad and get upset.

No, no, no, smash smash smash That's so right. It's a child's dangerous May them sink into the ocean. Come on. Um you can see this coming.

So that's that's one group of humans. Um Well, she would describe these guys. You said those three groups. Yeah, it's guys those nights ninjas or cowboys I like this nights.

Okay, easy. No, when you said there were three types of men I will say the subgroup of the nights were paladans dedicated to their cause and they were delivered to the holy lands Can they believe in their work? Um the interesting as well at this point when you've got like the king's men versus the faithful and this whole like faction war building up where they're going A different ideology ideologies. They're also leaving their island because they're also reaching the point where they've over populated the island so much in the three thousand years Cause humans breed a lot more than else.

Yeah, so middle earth is starting to get lots of pockets of numanor in little colonies. Yeah They're also mixing with the other people that already live on middle earth which we'll get to next up And some of these places such as umber that we're about to get to which are settled by people that are loyal to the king's men side of things So the next faction We will go on to the easterlings yes, and the easterlings put very very simply are just the groups of men who yes live east of the Misty Mountains if you know the Misty Mountains on the middle earth big mountain range down the middle and they are the men that live east of the mountains that Took the side of morgoth in the war against the baller. So they actively fought alongside him This also starts to include groups such as the numanor in that settled in umber as they fall into the same kind of group of these guys And then we have eventual future people like the Haradrim who are men from the desert that rode great olefants and mumarks the big fucking elephant dudes Big fucking elephant why are they different from all of them? They're the same thing.

It's just two different names. Okay. Yeah, um big elephant They ride those into war. Um you also get varyags from Khan to our basically Chariot riders all sorts of things like this just different term groupings of men that followed them Not much more to say on them apart from the fact that this term starts to include Numenorians that became evil if you will as they sided with the kings men and turning on the elves in the valor And they become the black numerians who join with these other groups of men and start to war with the other group of men that we're about to get to Locally called the north men.

Um, they are men that came also from the east of the Misty Mountains Mostly but also did not choose to fight with morgoth. They didn't join the elves but they didn't join morgoth They just stayed neutral to Swiss this Swiss lovely. Yeah, they joined Lord stark Because the only one king in the north that his name is stark damn right we're gonna get to another king of north soon We can super we can super simplify then there's all sorts of different groups here Most of them did come down from the north go figure um and they there is also a group here of men that did side with the valor But when they were offered the gift as their reward they didn't want to take it so they stayed behind So you've got a mix of that and with people who just didn't choose to fight knowing how they ended up probably good idea Yep agreed. Um and um there was some north men that dwelt in um Yeah, obviously we'll just keep going on there, but um, yeah, I think we'll just leave that because we'll come back to them next time There's a lot of men who came down from the north north north member is there like where they come from?

Do they just they just move up there and come back down? It's more if you've watched or read the hobbit. Yeah, the place is like dale and murkwood slash greenwood that sort of north Okay, so what I was about to say the men of dale and escharoth were north men Okay, so from like up that way. Yeah, yeah, like north and more north than that into the arctic and such Yeah, that's why a lot of them have a lot more of like a Nordic theme to them Especially like if you look at your um men of the aotherd who become the roherum They are very very typically Nordic in terms of being big pasty pale blonde haired dudes With Anglo-Saxon aesthetics to yeah, these guys are Viking.

Yeah, they're literally the fourth type of man I was gonna say of the three type of man. Yeah, I see yeah, well, we're gonna remove Ninjas and put Vikings and we're gonna say that the Eastlings of Cowboys because they just went with that They went with my graph because it was a good deal. Okay. Oh, so this might be me being stupid or me not knowing a lot of the rings Yeah, geographically.

Yep. We're no longer on the new menorians or special island. We're back on middle earth back on middle earth Yeah, so new menorians are the ones who went to the special island. Yeah, they then came back some of them did Yeah, and they intermingled vanilla unflavored men stay with their the whole time.

Yeah, okay cool How Northmen Eastman assaulted other men unspiced man much spice is in those men zero Spiced there they're kind of your classic you and I level men. There may be some big there may be some new menorians around on middle earth Yeah, but new menorian. Okay. Gotcha.

That's where yeah, yeah, dude. Um, the question is like it's like North Amordor, right? Uh kind of yeah, it's kind of North West. Yeah, yeah, North West Yeah, I'm with it.

Is there any spice they got spice on the Eastlings like were they like cursed or were they like blessed by Morgoth? Um, that's a very contentious point depending what you believe there are some people that believe they have like sorceress powers that came from Morgoth But it's that that would be a whole separate by custom. So maybe for the sake of now We're gonna continue on the founding of the great kingdoms Gondor and Arnor a tale of two kingdoms if you will So we've established that new menor gets plunged into the water and downfall and it gets destroyed And there's the group of the faithful who are allowed to escape while the rest of the island sank and that was led by a man named Elendil the tall and his sons of Sildor and Dhanardion Elendil's four ships were separated from the rest of the ships in his fleet that his sons were on and Elendil arrived in a place called Eladio Which is one of the elven lands in middle earth so right on the shores Um and as he landed Elendil proclaimed in Quenya a phrase that i'm gonna send to the chat and i'm gonna make Matt read and then i'll read it while he's funny learning about that message could you get me with those those kids names again? Um, Elendil a Sildor and Dhanardion what was the last one again?

Anardion. Excellent. Anardion interesting. Are these guys on the elf like we like elves or we don't like elves They're the ones that like the elves that's why they got me names.

That's fine if they have weird names They like the other people who didn't like the elves that was not that was not a man name. That was not a man name Um, so I'm gonna say Matt this quote. Yes. I'm just gonna send.

Oh, the only reason I asked you for that name oftentimes is that there was a character who's an elf In our dindy campaign with someone name and I was just interested. Yeah, it was just interesting. Uh, dude. That's not English.

Yes. Matthew. Yes. Yes.

Matthew. You must I can barely speak English clothes. Okay. I'll cover this one.

I got this. I got it. No, I got it got in here. You must Italian and dorina it dorina idolion sinum maalavan a hilden ya 10 amba metta How close is elvish to you Italian?

It wasn't awful I think I'm having syllables in there. I think it's the rhythm of it. I don't have to tell you You don't have to throw the syllables as well. As you go.

Um, this is something that is known as the oath of the lendell. Um, he's my north Yes, in in elven At alio and dorina a thullian sinum maalavan a hilden ya 10 amba metta Exactly what you said word for word is syllable for something. Maybe I know in more than English. You're like um What fucking thing?

I think there's a bunch of examples. Let's go with harry potter knowing Snake puzzle I'm gonna send you the English version of the quote and this is what lendell speaks as he arrives in middle earth Out of the gate see to middle earth. I am calm. No, no, no, no Give me some in more of out of the great sea to middle earth.

I am calm in this place I will abide and my heirs unto the ending of the world Um and he is air and 38th grands great grandson aragon spoke these traditional words in elvish once again When he takes up the crown of gondor at the beginning of the fourth age or in the movies as anyone that's read Watch them will know aragon sings this oath at the very end when he's being crowned So out of the great sea is that a reference to they've sailed across the sea from the sinking of nomenal The fuck out of the sea is also because it's not across the sea it's out of the seas and yeah, it's a good I language and in this place. I will abide and my heirs unto the end of the world. I'm coming to this bitch and I'm staying here Yep, not like they have another choice at this point, but that's my end to go back You're going back to mnomenals from gawon, baby And at this point elendell was welcomed to a radio by the elven high king gugalad in the second age Um and he founded the kingdom of arnal and built the great city of amunias as the capital of arnal One more time. Um annu aminas.

Okay, annu aminas Akuna matata. Yeah In any case, a landil to translate. A landil arrives meet elven king gugalad settles kingdom makes big city I remember gugalad from something. What was he up?

He was in the elven hunger game. We killed him The The five ships carrying elendell sons however landed much further south and around the coast Where anardion founded the city of minas anor in anorion and his son asildor founded the city minis ifil in afilian Do you think they maybe like imprinted their names on the cities a little bit maybe Hey, Rome like you gotta call it Rome. That's called Rome Hey, if I'm gonna fail the city, I'll put it in a little bit Um and they ruled this new realm of gondor jointly as its kings from the capital city of asgiliath Which anyone that's watched a lot of the rings were known as a big old ruined thing in the middle of gondor And they all lived happily ever they do for a very long time Oh, um and across the realms towers were built for the palantir Which are the seeing stones you can use to talk to each other ever long distances The the phones they had a phone So go what's the Saraman? Who could be watching that no, but also Saraman had his little fucking orb.

He was being Yeah, this is this is at the tower This is a time when the seeing stones are all accounted for and just the numeratorians have them so they're just useful for communication And they only use them responsibly they do at this point. It's nice. They have cell phones exactly. Um, I do like how they the sons are just like Yeah, hey dad.

I like you, but I'm not gonna live you. I own house dad. I'm moving out Well, this they don't even know that their father survived this point. They haven't properly met all they know is they arrived together They established their kingdom and where they landed as opposed to a lendell who arrived with the elves where they landed in the south There was already a huge population of men And they get welcomed as kings.

Yeah, okay Super super super abridged here and perhaps I'll dive into this time here properly in future but After this about a couple hundred years after this we start to get into the early wars around the last alliance Which is the end of the second age or the opening scenes of the fellowship of the ring where you see the elves and the men and this big battle Fighting Saraman and it's all epic and stuff whatever Um, it starts with Saraman attacking minisifil at a minisifil and minis and asil door escapes with his wife and three sons Um, they escape down river and board a ship and then sail around the entire coast of middle earth seeking a lendell who they free connect a bit But this point is on At this point a lendell is considered the hiking of gondor and arnel but he leaves gondor to his sons to rule and he looks after arnel How old is he at this point? Um, they would be a lendell at least past 200 as you'll probably 150 Okay, he looks pretty good in the moves for that man. Yeah, it's very good. Yeah Um, a lendell at this point is long lived He's mostly a blessing like 50.

Yeah, he's like 50 hundred Um, a lendell at this point consulted with gilgalad and the two of them formed the last alliance of elves and men to oppose Saran etc big epic battle The same the same year asil door goes to rivendell the home of el rond And has his youngest son velandil who's born here at this time and he's a little bobby Little bobby and at the same time the last alliance this whole army of all elves and men and asil door and lendell and all these random names thrown out Yeah, um, they all meet up at rivendell and they go all right Let's go let's let's go take on saran together and they begin marching across middle earth together montage that saran guys on this last That's what they say and asil door brings all three of his oldest all three of his sons except the youngest born one Um, give us all come on get him. He's less than a year old at this point And and he leaves his wife at rivendell with the youngest son who's just been born. He's like 200. He had new baby.

Yeah Damn thanks. That works. Thanks. It works I think And as the armies of the last alliance eventually east an arian from gondor joined up with the entire mass army of gondor And they went to fight the lands of mordor once again I'll maybe do an episode just on this at some stage.

I'm actually dive into it But the important thing for now they go to saran's big evil dark fortress and they siege it and the siege lasts for seven years During the siege an arian is struck with a rock fired from the walls and dies perfect How big rock so you're telling me that gondor has no king and gondor needs no king gondor still has a king right now I thought that was the king gondor Still door and oh, okay, joint king Okay, that's coming. That's coming. That's coming. I'm trying to skip my fucking question dude.

How big rock well it varies Some places say that he died to a catapult shot reasonable Some places say that he was leading an assault on the front gates and a rock was dropped from above the gatehouse. No reason is He'll be reasonable. I personally come inside which image I find more amusing a random orc like random shit T4 being just on top of his gatehouse going oh, it's the fucking thing in it and just throw in a rocket his head or This king being on his horse like our eyes men have gondor and just this catapult shot guy I like to imagine a david gladiate story and he just gets his little uh slingshot and goes Little pebble hits him with the thing. Yeah, it's right.

It's right at temple comes off his horse Yeah, I will say many things to respect about tokens writing one of the things that is best is you can Cannot be certain you will survive a battle even if there is a prophecy written about you that's like 99% ever gonna come true still possible to die You could it's not game of thrones, but you're not safe. You're not saying king of kings everyone loved him He had a great reign. I love doing the great reign. It's so good Then he got hit by a rock I'm saying some say so this leaves the sealed or as the soul king of gondor for a time However as the battle progresses as anyone that has watched lord of the rings will know or anyone that's seen the first five minutes of the movie will know Um the great king of man elendil and the great king of elves gjorgalad fight saran and die in the process At the end of their fight as they both are eliminated Aseldor manages to finish off the heavily injured saran and cut the ring of power from his hand Um, you've seen that bit.

It's like the first ten seconds. I know it's always a guy It's almost like I picked a lot of the rings episode where I can talk about a lot of stuff from the first five minutes So proud of you. Um as a sealdor picks up the one ring and takes it for himself. He then decides And also leaving elrond as the de facto rule of the elves a sealdor makes a costly decision After not destroying the ring as a as elrond begged him to do he chose to keep the ring despite it horribly burning his hand to pick it up immediately It's quite cool.

Don't worry from us Aseldor decides that rather than leave with the massive army of remaining elves and travel back to rivendell with a large force and reunite with his son at rivendell He and his three sons that survived the war go to minis anor the capital of gondor Well near capital of gondor so he can mentor an arion's oldest son and allow him to become the next king of gondor Aseldor decides that he will not take kingship of gondor leave that to an arian sons and he will move himself to a anor to replace his father as a hiking Wait, sorry. There were three cities. There were three cities. Yes.

There was the capital of anor where lendor ruled from There was minis anor and minis ifl that was a sealdor city in an arion city because gondor had two joint kings Who is who is now in charge of the sildor city? And that city is just kind of left no one well it got sacked by saron Okay, people do people do move back into it Yeah, but it's not a ruling city and a sealdor kind of goes, you know what we don't need two kings It was a bit stuffy member of a nice-airing I'm gonna move my household over to anor now that it's empty and my brother's bloodline can rule gondor now There's two great season now. There's two yeah, and then there were two but like they were two with the ruins arm has no king and he's okay, correct okay, correct, yes, um and um He decides that he will take up the mantle of hiking of gondor and anor though in the same way that lendor respected gondor having a separate king But isn't him he does the same with his brother his nephew basically he's a little king under him However, it was not to be he made the decision to not travel with any big armies back to rivendell instead of small warband Dude, it's just him his sons and a small warband of fighters headed back to anor I say it's not like a small tiny force but compared to like what could have been the massive army of elves and everyone it's a relatively small force Um, they are ambushed by huge warband of orcs who have been drawn by the power of the ring That is still basically sirens voice calling out to his creatures nearby They don't know that of course and all of them are slain all three of usildor's sons die in the fighting Asildor at the begging of his son is urged to escape With the ring because they know how powerful the ring is So seildor takes off his armor and weapons leaves them behind puts on the ring and dives into a river to a temple scape The ring of course anyone that has seen the movie will know that that ring betrays a seildor and he is shot for arrows Yeah, it really it's a blokeation. You got fucking shot I don't get that what you talk about showed his location it slips off his hand.

Well, yeah, it's oh, you just is visible Okay, that's fucking stupid But there's also a degree of orcs and creatures that are Subservient to star on our like drawn to the ring so they would have been like oh, there's something over there Oh man shoot him right, but they don't find the ring. No the ring is swept away down river Last river. Yeah, it is a small ring. Look at it.

It's it's made of gold. It's dense. Isn't it? I mean, yeah, it's just sunk to the bottom and stopped not immediately Pretty immediately I would be intrigued about simulations It's no doubt there.

Give me a simulation of the fucking river However, the consequences of this of course the hiking of honor and all being horribly murdered and all of his immediate sons who were trained up to be They don't make a move Um leaving only one living air and that is the son that he left behind in Rivendell The same son who's barely even come of age now like he's a 10-year-old kid at this point ish Maybe a little bit older, but barely come of age for nine years. Well, the siege alone was seven years And all the other things fighting. Yes, they've probably been away for 15 years fighting What's like ages back in the day? Do you ever like you ever like um the Odyssey?

That was like a 10-year war in 20 years 100 years one man. Yeah, it took 10 years from together. Yeah, that's 20 years. Sorry like 20 year business negotiation That's gonna go to work.

He's in the tall up is been Failing comes for resolution walks out the front end shot on the spot. Yep does not make sure leave what the fuck man This is a long meeting this same son. However, because he's grown up in Rivendell He has absolutely no connection ties or familiarity with the descendants of an Arian But he is just suddenly told oh, yeah, you're the king of Arnold now by the way Sets up this is the moment that the two kingdoms go from a very unified northern kingdom of our north southern kingdom of Gondor To being two very separate kingdoms with no unifying high king because they don't have any connection anymore An arian son and hill of his ancestors they aren't gonna give a flying shit about that random kid that was born in Rivendell Yeah, that's the problem again with man. The memory's very small.

It's very short. I mean you think some people would be like, nah, we were like Brothers we just fought a war together. Let's let's team up Yeah, like humans also when your kingdoms are quite far apart and it takes a long time to travel between them. Yeah I'm foreign.

Yeah But also but also if you're the other kingdom and it's like oh, yeah, the king is dead, but he's got a successor It's a ten-year-old and it's like okay. We want to go with that because that's the official correct word or they're pretty far away We could kind of do something better right there Well, they've got the other thing is as well the king of Gondor now And the son of an arian has just spent an amount of years being a nurtured trained and mentored by a seildor So a lot of people in Gondor would be seeing why is why we're not making this guy though high king? He's an art. He's got the right bloodline He's an arian's kid and he's just been trained a seal That spent more time with this guy than the kid in Rivendell the kid got born Rivendell and seal it left He never fucking met him.

It's the fuck it's humans not respecting the rules get lassic Exactly all I'm saying is Gondor has no king and Gondonnese. Yes, so this begins to set up the beginning of the fall of the kingdoms So time passes the alliance between men and elves is fractured and the two kingdoms of men begin to grow further and further apart There is a long time of the good days the golden ages lots of progress lots of building whatever the fuck you want to say The silver does not so bad ages the kind of ages and that leads to when it all starts to go wrong Tell me that it didn't go wrong when the king on his way home after a seven year seed got fucking shot Well that they still had some good times after that listen that a couple of parties So on all's decline starts eight hundred years after everything goes down with the seal though They make a while to groove hiking Elando dies in the year eight hundred and sixty one and his three sons squabble over who should be king after him Just by the fact one of them is oldest and one of them is youngest They still get into squabble over who should be king and that splits the whole kingdom of Arnold into three separate kingdoms Arthur Dane card land and ruler the oldest son tried to claim kingship over the whole thing But was reduced only ruling Arthur Dane because his brothers said no you aren't gonna rule me fuck you Why's Arthur Dane just sounds like a name yeah, sorry about Well, I think you lived on Jude Street when he grew up Arthur Dane the other day And thereafter the dinner day of the north engaged in foolish petty civil wars sapping their strength while their enemies gathered in the shadows And this leads us to the emergence of Angmar So a great kingdom of orcs trolls and monsters called Angmar appears at Arthur Danes north eastern border It's King was in secret the chief of the ring wraiths the screeching arse-gle boys secret Well, they don't know he's catering to me. It's like But the fact that he's a ring wraith they just know that he is the witch king of Angmar They don't know that's why he gets the title Angmar from The witch king like they're like which king or they're like always a witch king he's a witch king as in like sorcery and so he's not only a king But also which yeah And but the dinner day and don't know that he's a ring wraith and tied to sorrow and they just know that he's some powerful sorcerer That's always always fucking ghosties. They were one minute one point.

He would be ghosty at this point. Okay, but in the last time That's only probably wasn't yeah, when did those when did those kings of men get those rings unspecified? And there's there's not these kings of men they were like other kings of like the northern men Okay, most likely it's not specified. This is very much like a fall of room kind of thing.

It's really just wait so then you get this barbarian like that And the As this threat comes up This is a few hundred years after the whole civil war started Cardolam goes, you know what maybe we have bigger fish to fry and joins forces with Arthur Dane and they team up The descendants of the original kings at this point of course And they end their perpetual war or doubt however refused to join and end up sympathizing with Angmar and taking side of our By bearings and card and repeatedly sends aid to Arthur Dane when they needed it But eventually cardolam was destroyed and ruder was completely annexed and joined Angmar For lost the new capital city of Arthur Dane was attacked, but the city successfully defended itself Thanks to elves from Rivendell and other places The last last final line the second last final line. Yeah, it's like when you change like a title to document the final final Yeah, exactly last last. Well, fuck sake. Well, okay one more time.

Okay fine. It's like one last long While that's happening all is not well down in Gondor all's not well fucking anywhere everything shit What are you talking about continue sorry? I'm probably just my up there. It's fair.

Gondor king is sick around the same time of the year 1400 of the third age This is like mitz Angmar emerging and fighting Gondor falls into its own civil war When the people decide to that because the king is of mixed blood between his mother being from the north man and his father being of Numenor they go you're not your house of a lend-all such an Ariana you're not proper king Let's we're fucking breeding without sibling. We're not fucking these aren't fine. I'm in the city to fast. It's not that hard But like these are the two factions for me.

Sorry. I love it when history happens They fall into this huge civil war that um it they get to the end of it But it basically keeps Gondor completely busy for the couple of hundred years that on or is having this fight and that's why the else have to come and help Arnold And come on Gondor together then just as things are starting to turn around and on or his fought back Angmar Gondor's gone on through this whole civil war in the year 1600 We get great plague great amazing. I'm gonna be going grating it mysteriously from the east Just conveniently and near maybe where more door is maybe a great plague comes forth and sweeps through Gondor I'm saying they have bio weapons and fucking sorry on creates plague The bio weapon didn't need to the orcs don't wash their hands. Yeah, it was actually real natural And surprise are I'm all played this sweeps through Gondor and heavily depopulates them Many many people move from the capital city of a skill yes into minis on or so the zigalia starts to be depopulated No longer be the big capital gem that it is and it already took some damage during the civil wars This is when it starts to fall into ruin decay like we see it in the movies Yeah, it's just it's just ruins like the three to three-tailed ones or is the one outside the one outside yeah, yeah Minis on or around this time becomes ministereth what we know from the movies And they continue to expand obviously and turn into a bigger city they didn't just have this one massive city and go Let's not make that the capital But Gondor Continues to go through they do become incredibly weak at this point and if anyone else of their enemies because they're still having continuous fights With the Easterlings and the Corsair piratey people and all this shit and like remnants of walk tribes Whatever any one of them could have just immediately wiped out Gondor but all of them were suffering from the plague as well Damn go figure everyone's up to play right?

I do you have a buff? This is less of a this specific thing more general I'm aware of you'd like magic from the wizards and shit and the elves know some stuff Do we have like a there's not I assume there's not just fucking D&D clerics in this Do we have like healer groups and if so are they from somewhere is that a specific thing or is it just sort of a thing? That's not known there is talk about like the dune a day and having healing capabilities and skills okay You wouldn't necessarily say it's miraculous healing It's just kind of seems like a good sense of first aid and maybe knowing a little bit of herbalist unrealistic stuff Okay of this particular plant could maybe cure this poison Okay, but there's not like a force or group that can be relied on for that sort of shit This no doesn't have a healing group or force there probably would be but it's not something that's written about it's not because it's sorry My brain is going to fantasy and they're what did he and it's like there in the I know where to go to get healing This is much closer to talk in real war where there's medics and there's people who know medical shit, but there's not like Heila not exactly yeah, yeah in the house in the movies use like herbs to help help in front of All well back in Arnold the plague finally finished off finishes off what's left of card land that one kingdom that kind of got fucked up I'm I think they got now clear by the remainder of their population moves into Arthur day and then card lands lands just become ruins and A lot of rooms however other day in itself is not hit too badly by the plague But they do continue to lose population so they make the decision to seed some of their verdant farm lands to this new group of people that have showed up Hobbits and these verdant farm lands they are given by the unknown man become the chef really I thought what I imagine the map I was thinking like Gondor was really far to the east sorry west and I think was really was right next to Like Mordor because they were getting it they were fighting so was on or is right over near the shore on the sea mountains So was when when we are not really yeah I was agma was agma agma is up north of the Missy Mountains. Oh, I was not that far from the shire in the grand scheme of things Interesting I was meeting agma because they were allied with mortal was close to mortal That's what I was imagining so I'm like they just go around Up the other way up the north interesting northern wastes if you want like the North Pole that makes sense why they didn't think they were From water yeah, I just saw them as random jobs coming out nowhere.

Yeah, but yeah, that was um the hobbits of you were from their migratory Migratory like the fucking birds. Yeah, and this is the point that they settle we talked about the cinema the other So we don't know what they just appeared one day. They thought though who I was writing down went Oh, we found these really short guys what the fuck oh yeah? Oh, yeah, cuz because yeah, yeah, cuz they're actually made for fucking walking Yeah, and that's why yeah, yeah, I'm with it.

I'm with it sometimes if you get sometimes You're not a big feet like a big feet for walking and that's just what they'll do. Oh, yeah Um one of these days and then from tomorrow couple hundred years later by about the 1800s we had about 200 years of plague We get another thing arise suddenly out of nowhere Play to a little boo-glu a group called the Wayne riders Begin reading gondor they called way riders because they write a man named Wayne No, I'm a wange at Wayne Jetsky. No, they are charioteers and the chariots. They ride a called Wayne's Not like no like w a iron Wayne I don't think she was a wine good.

Don't worry. I don't wanes are sad cat Basically their chariot riders who sweep through gondor and cause a lot of fucking damage while they're riding through This leads the people of gondor into a desperate fight against them where they managed to fight them off but not defeat them meaning they can come back in the future maybe and It kind of leaves them a bit confused what their point was because they didn't do all that much damage at this point They just kind of cause some distractions for gondor and they discover that the Wayne riders had perhaps been spurred on by an external force as While the way riders were doing this a mare came back and began leading its own attack on arm on on on on on on on on And gondor was completely unable to ride to the aid as they were also dealing with these guys I think there's like I'm a gollion step kind of very personal. Okay, so much But if they were charioteers, I guess you could say yeah, um they Mean this also means that on or is unable to come down and help meaning the way in riders can escape and not be destroyed by a gondor Basically, it's shittery for the two kingdoms. Yeah, and then the new king of honor at this time man and an affant Was being urged by his son a young prince named of dewy who saw what was happening He recognized that both kingdoms were being struck way too similar timing and was starting to put two and two together that Angmar and Mordor were connected and the Easterling he was starting to see that there was puppet strings happening in the background He's got that big board.

He's got the right strings. He's like he waited a second. He's starting to figure it out Yeah, he recognizes that they need to unify the two kingdoms So he proposes a marriage he tells us father to propose a marriage between himself of dewy and the daughter of gondor's new king The king being on to her and his daughter being fiddiel. Hey dad.

I want to solve everything. You should go to send me up with that hot ass Yeah, trust me. This will fix the world Union effectively saw the rejoining of ancient family all ties with our be tracing his lineage back to a sealed on And fear you are tracing her lineage back to an arian I'm going through enough many many many many many many many steps Hey guys, we used to be a family So no, no, no, no, that's like one of the elves and like one of the and our god in the movie. Oh It's another one similar vibe, but not all you can technically trace them back to the same ancestors apparently this Sorry, I lost my place for a second there.

I'm having an England when they went multiple people looking for the royal family They're like, you know, like 30th down one. Yeah, yeah But just this gives them a brief time of peace as failure goes to Arnore and marries into our dewy But this respite was only short lived as four years later the Wayne riders came back This time they joined up with the Harajam in the south and they did a simultaneous strike on gondor from the north and the south and challenged gondor to split their forces The king under her led the armies in the north and one of his cousins and well-renowned general of gondor Ayarnil led the army south the Wayne riders utterly annihilated fucked and destroyed the northern army including the king and his sons They're all dead by king by by sons no more king and they have the marriage This is the one who married off his daughter So his daughter's gone, but now him and all his sons are dead well But some survivors linked up with the southern gondor army which had utterly destroyed the harandrim and they joined together Charge straight out the Wayne riders who instead of continuing on to fuck up gondor had a little celebration They stopped their armies movements for a day and celebrated the fact they just killed the king and all of his sons That little fuck-o that that delay meant that Ayarnil was able to lead his whole army and just run them the fuck over and completely like complete war of annihilation White from off the face man. That's just one little party. Okay.

Yeah one of those celebration will have a little lunch, you know And the brunch this leads us to the king of the north eventually As of dewy and his now wife Firyall and had settled in Arnore But the Fritt Prince found himself in a unique position two realms desperately in need of unification and he in the position delay claimed both kind of And with under her dead his wife could rightfully claim relationship of gondor as old new menorian laws dictated that when no clear air is named Ascension should pass to the oldest living child should there be one? So she should be the queen of gondor meanwhile He is set to become the king of Arnore very soon as soon as his father dies and his father is very old I mean that he and Firyall's first born would be able to claim both That was his plan that was his plan that was his plan that marriage so he could drink the kingdoms. Yeah, that was pretty good It was and it was However, no Unfortunately our dewy's gambit was not to be as gondor as elite decided that aarniel the respected well after general that just saved them Offered a stronger claim to the throne as he was cousin of the king. He was still part of the bloodline Yeah, not entirely false and you can understand why they'd go Why would we want to make her over in Arnore that fucking into the north?

I rule when we've got this guy who just chad general saved us like I am they really don't like the Like is general man friends because they're cousins they're family. Yeah, they're friendly, but they don't want him to be their king So they make me I really I want you to be king member the people that they want me to be king. I'm so sorry I thought I was too quoted and that and that unfortunately means that Arnore and gondor would not have a shared rule again and I am an arlele aarniel sorry becomes the king of gondor and Arbyoui 20 years later becomes the king of Arnore when his father dies which leads us to his most desperate battle as Agma strikes again They've been continuing small trickle forces back But they come back in force this time and the ceaseless war reaches a new climax Arthur Dane sends out desperate cries for help, but gondor and the elves were too slow the city of four-nost capital of Arthur Dane finally fell It's people scattered after dewy sent his son out of the man who he had hoped would unify the two realms He sent himself with the refugees and his wife Meanwhile he led a fraction of his army north to distract the orcs and tried to fight them off as long as he could as he retreated further Further further north into the arctic regions this leads us to the end of Arnore Gondor and the elves banded together and resolved to avenge of Arthur Dane and purge Angmar once and for all their meeting Point was the elven city of Lindon where Gilgal added once resided many many thousands of years ago and kurdan beard boy Now dwelt and they know that the boy off is it? Yeah, but man.

Yes, and Aaron asked you Arrives in Lindon with the refugees urges them to send aid to his father So kurdan sends a ship around the coast hoping to find either dewy in the north Meanwhile Aaron half the Sun helps gondor in the elves prepare for war kurdan's ship finds a dewy in the north in a place called the ice bay of far shell where he had been given refuge with some men of Loss of and or snowmen as they called in the law And they're just kind of men that live in the north and don't really pay attention to any factions. They're pretty sick. They're not made of us Unfortunately not seeing all that I'm seeing these people urged him not to board the ship as it was treacherous conditions And it would not be safe to travel but he was rushing to rejoin his son Avejoui's boat was never seen again Fucks sake upon realizing that the boat was lost Aaron half was recognized as the next ruler of Arthur Dane or Arnold He instead chose not to because the kingdom was lost so he should be an otital He then became the first of the exiled kings the chief of the dune and dine rangers sound familiar The most direct descend into our gone this is where we get the rain just Yeah, yeah, and we get the rangers Aaron half led his newly banded rangers north with the rest of the army and the elves with a newly resurrected Glauffindall don't worry about it He's just know that's come out from the dead and the gondorians led by well We'll get to that so honor is no more and gondor's line is perilous that brings us to the end the last air of an arian The last of the great kingdoms of men gondor and arneals air Ayanna who has now become the king of gondor with the death of his father Led gondor's forces north along with the elves and Aaron half and they led all the survivors With you'll be happy to hear a large army of hobbit arches that go along with Arches This would go down in history as the battle of four nost and ultimately a honor being as mighty and powerful a generalist His father would lead the combined free peoples to victory over the witch king of Angmar Who is now in this moment of fighting revealed to be one of the nars ghoul as in the fighting They his I believe they like reveal him as a spirit and then they figure out what's really been happening between mortals remnants and I It is a big reveal. I honor wish to challenge the witch king and fight one and one one be one be bro, however I honor was horse was terrified and Forcefully ran away from the nars ghoul against a onos wishes just get off man by the time he got control of his horse and returned to the Witch King the witch king and fled and Glorfindel then stopped a on off from chasing after him because he was gonna chase the witch king off into the north Which would have been suicide and Glorfindel the elven lord put a hand on a onos to older and went Never by the hand of man shall he fail fall So what Glorfindel with a blessing on him?

Glorfindel is the one that speaks the prophecy that would be realized You piece of shit what the fuck what I do there? Setting prophecy that will be realized many years later and a on on for all the battle glory for all his battle glory was perhaps not the most Stable king as he never had any interest in family or raising offspring leaving his line vulnerable as he was now the soul a king and everything of Gondor So wait okay this line of this guy yep, and I'm yeah, and I'm yep, okay, so here's I'm confused Where his father came I'm a little lost here's father was the king Gondor his sir and our aonos brother Yeah, so an ideal was cousin of the king so he would have just been was the general guy Yeah, okay, this is the general guy's and the guy who went south to come the Ranger was the old the guy was supposed to come king And they didn't like him. Yeah, exactly cool. I mean, yeah, they didn't want his mum to be the queen.

Yeah, they didn't like the bond Yeah, they snubbed her they snubbed his mum. They're a bit raised up. Yeah. Yeah, great sex No, sorry, no, yeah He needed a queen In so the witch King escapes But Angmar is a kingdom is destroyed all of the monsters are defeated in slain and the north just turns into this desolate wasteland Which is kind of what we see in the movies It's just the shire and not a lot else there is just empty mountains ruins ruined watch towers all sorts of things Yeah The ruined watch tower weathertop which you will have seen near the start of the Lord of the Rings The place where the hobbits cook up a little meal and then the naz will find them and then they stab throw it and he's like Fucking those goddamn yeah bacon sauce Nice crispy bacon.

I always like I thought like what was I never actually thought like what that ruins were that was the watch tower Where Arnold kept its plan to interesting you thought that Tolkien didn't fucking know he may have had the fucking hobbits appear from nowhere But that one goddamn ruins got full of that's also the reason why I'm going on That's also the reason why I'm going you about it and wanted to go there because it was a place that was significant to his Forbears is it okay, it was a vibe. It was a good I'm flexing my fucking muscles in my brain so hard Is that anywhere near where they found sting? I'm not completely far away. Is that anything to do with anything?

Yes, and fuck well Sting is just a collection of blades that were elven blades that got lost in wars So it's very possible they could have been wielded in one of these wars and that abandoned cool. It is very it's possible We have the king of God we have he goes back to gondor. Yeah, and to wrap it up a couple Probably I think it's about a hundred years after that La Fournost so four nostas finished on or as a kingdom has gone Everyone all of the men that lived up there fall into different settlements places like Brie the random city the hobbits go to Cheese like the cheese the Francine Pronian all those people those people that once upon a time would have been Arnold man Yeah, but Arnold is kingdom is gone. It's dissolved Then the Nazgul the witch king Well the rest of the Nazgul along with the witch king capture the old ruins of minis Ithil Seach the ruins and kill off the defenders that were inside the fortress they capture it and they rename it to minis Morgul and which is another place people will remember in the movies it's the big glowing palace at the wedding ring race right out of That is that used to be a seal laws home.

That's why it's such a big middle finger to all the men It's like you know, so there was like you're here. Yeah, we took his carousel bitch That makes a lot of sense and then that's why it's quite because that was really close to mortal That's why they can climb that big cliff again into mortal. Yeah, cuz that was built partially to watch over that area Yeah, but then the Nazgul take it and then because it is such a Historic important as I miss back before it is this point that Minis Arnold becomes renamed to minis teareth And which more translates to tower of the guard because it is becoming a more guarded time because I can see more doors probably rising again in the east That's gone on. Yeah, this is now Gondor as we know it Minister this the capital as Giliath has these ruins in between and minis if he'll lost to the ring race Yeah, at this point I Nor in minis teareth being the final king of Gondor starts getting messages from the Nazgul the witch king starts sending him messages Over the span of about 30 years repeatedly taunting a ono and calling him a little bitch for running away from their last challenge Didn't the other guy run away?

Only after a ono run off. It's kind of like which king standing there like I'm a fight and then he runs off on his horse And he's like okay, it turns around walks off Yeah, basically my time he comes back. He's gone It doesn't matter if you're internet died the other guy is declared the winner because you didn't show up on time Yeah, you're saying and so the witch king starts taunting the fuck out of a on going bitch bitch bitch Bitch you wouldn't fight me bitch. So he's sending a mess it is all like on the plane on on the phone I'm polantia.

Oh my god. I don't actually know it would actually be really interesting if it's through the Palantir I was assumed it was just messengers like dark new norions and stuff that can go in through there I'm sorry. That's way funnier actually like a messenger rides up my lord. We've received a message from outside They get a little scroll a little tiny cow Oh Hey I love it.

I do like him call also like the idea of him calling him in the middle of the night guy He's like hello bitch. Hey a little bitch. You're right away. You coward.

Come fight me Yeah So they they start taunting the fuck out of a ono the final battle and calling him out for his cowardice in the battle of Anast and eventually after I genuinely think it's about 20 years of this taunting king Ayanor He's also pissed about the fact that the ring rates are Using the sealed or is castle. That's a big middle finger alone combined the taunting pushes him over the fucking edge and after about 20 to 25 years Of taunting he has overcome with wrath and rides out with a small company of knights to minas mawgul to accept the challenge Of course he does they were never heard from again Of course they were and so ended the house of an arian and the final two kingdoms of men crumbles away And the rule of Gondor has passed on to the stewards Gondor has no king and Gondor needs no king. No, they just ran out of them They just ran it They went away fucker or place them we put a new guy in we tried this this guy also had like He had like a hundred years to have to produce an air. I also about that When is he fucking in this time?

Talking didn't really write about them fucking but yeah, it is interesting that he didn't produce an air all that time They could be many different reasons behind me. He could have been gay He could have just been in fertile which could also be like symbolic of the light downfall of man But yeah, it's really I'm just talking about me I don't think I say because it's interesting when you look at it I've heard people positive theory before that love the rings you have to look at it through the lens of the movies the books They're actually a post-apocalyptic setting. There's all these ruins. There's these wrong kingdoms.

It's a plague ravaged place Which it is it's definitely like the dystopian downturn. I mean that's always been like It's very token to be like this is the this everything used to be better Everything will slowly get worse. Yeah, nothing will ever be as good as it used to be. Yeah, it's very that old man nostalgia Yeah, but it does get to the point of the fourth age anyway We've already been in a post-apocalyptic world for the dinosaurs.

Yeah But anyway, we're gonna win there because otherwise we keep talking for way too long We talk away to you can see the time stamp on I know that's 21 Yeah, I'm just saying it makes way more sense that Vormia and gonna doesn't want everyone because he's like not their line Yeah, it makes way more sense why they didn't actually want him to be king The sealed or's they're not a Sorry, that's always good for you. He was a kid of King blood Yeah, and he does but he doesn't because yes Although was kind of originally a king of Gondor but really the house of an Ariana and that house dead that line is broken But yeah, they were all fucking morons and they kept going into world they had choice of angry general or Queen across the earth will take angry general. Oh, no, he died because he was doing He also the king was like a crazy yes. Yes.

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