This is the best hang podcast featuring Max Gurman, Shane Cunningham and I and Mike Vierman. Welcome to the best hang podcast. We got Max, we got Shane. My name is Mike Vierman.
I don't think I've ever seen my last name, but hey, it's been a minute. So I'm a little rusty. Lots is going on. Let's just get into it.
Let's just get into it. Let's just start talking guys. We're sort of in the middle of summer. Yeah, we've been to some concerts.
Max, you guys are doing Belleville soon. I actually was, I actually was, so we talked about in the last two episodes about our friend Taylor and Elise's wedding coming up, which I am seeing. So I recently met up with them to basically just get a vibe for what they're feeling. You know, like, do you want, you want to come out and do a monologue, like, you know, someone hosting a war show?
Or am I just keeping the trains moving on time? You know, get a feel for, I know his wedding party because it's all our buddies, but get a feel for her wedding party and it was great. But we, you know, we've met up at a patio and it just turned into like four hours of like, suddenly we're just talking about our lives and making jokes and having a lot of fun. But it came up, Max, that you and the other, our Kels fellas won't be at the wedding because like you, DZ and Nick were invited.
And I got to say, you know, not to be on the spot, but apparently DZ and Mike, both, sorry, DZ and Nick both sent very nice, Hey, we're not able to make it like a note saying like, sorry, we are as people. We've got the show in Belleville, blah, blah, blah. And I said, Oh, nice. Like, what, what am I saying?
And they said, haven't heard yet. Oh, you know, it's so funny is I, well, many thoughts come to mind. Number one, I did think about like yesterday, I was like, I'm going to send Taylor a really nice note, like the day of his wedding or the day before his wedding. So that is on my to do list.
That's number one. Number two, did I send a note to say that I couldn't come to the wedding? I don't think I did. But I justified it because I, I unlike DZ and Nick attended his bachelor party in Vancouver.
So I've actually given that did come up. Okay, good. I've given so much time and to to Taylor in the name of his bachelor party. Now, did I say more than a few words to Taylor at his bachelor party?
No. He did say he did say you pulled him aside in Vancouver and said I can't make it. I'm like, you know, you said something in person that's telling him that isn't that enough. Isn't that telling it?
Why does it need to be in writing? I'm just telling you at least maybe they wanted like a something that you know, I don't tell her too much. I thought Taylor was cool. I'm realizing there is too much.
They do not understand how life works. Well, speaking of that though, wedding's going to be a delight. So we're all very excited. It will be happening in a few days.
And I am I'm prepped to do the MCing. But speaking of that, Max, we're such a funny thing for our band in general because it's like no one wants to miss a wedding, but we've missed so many weddings over the years. I miss Shane's wedding. Miss you miss my parents.
I miss I miss so many important weddings. And so on one hand, you're like, Oh, just come to the territory. This is the nature of the job. You work on summers in the weekend.
And unfortunately, that's when weddings happen to be and that's what it is. But with more time, sometimes you regret having missed weddings because you're like, why did we take that? Whatever show in Germany to miss a wedding. So there's a lot it is hard to wrap yourself.
You're mind around it when everybody else has jobs where it's so easy to go to a wedding. Everybody else has a job. It's like, of course, I'm around on a Saturday night. So it's just it's a bit of like a mind fuck.
The other thing I was going to say though, before you halfway through, you were telling a story about going for a meeting with a Lisa Taylor about your job duties, I was about to go on a rant about how it's so ridiculous that lawyers can be like, just by picking up the phone, a lawyer could say, well, now you owe me $400 because we spoke for an hour. And every other job doesn't really work like that. I guess there are some other hourly jobs. But I'm like, it's crazy that like to Mike, you're just as much of a professional and an expert and somebody that people value as something like a lawyer.
Like, you know what I mean? But then you said you drank for four hours on the patio. So I guess lawyers can't do that. So maybe that's the difference between I will say, sneakily, Taylor went in to use the bathroom and he picked up the bill and I did not expect that.
So I was actually very, I was very grateful for that because I was thinking grabbing the bill from him because I was getting married or whatever. And so yeah, when we were wrapping up, the gentleman was like, your friend has already paid. And I was like, oh, you know, what a guy. I'm so angry.
I can't say the lawyer. That's my other point. You can, you can, you can know, it's like my hourly rate is $650 an hour. We talked for six minutes on the phone.
And now you owe me $52. No offense to any lawyers that listen to the chat. GPT like, we're doing just fine. We get a fan.
Well, when the great job replacement of AI comes along, I think lawyer consultation will be my favorite thing to know. You know what I mean? It's like, I can get the exact same advice by asking the question to chat GPT about the laws in my province or state or, you know, wherever you live, instead of paying somebody that 400 bucks an hour or 500 bucks an hour, or, you know, if you're an elite lawyer, it's over $1,000 an hour or whatever. I love that.
I agree. Actually, a real elite lawyer is probably like, I can't even imagine what they cost an hour. Like if you're like, if you're, if you're Jeff Bezos lawyer, what do you charge an hour? Oh my God.
As much as you possibly can. Just like throw crazy numbers. Anyway, Shane, how are you doing? Are you okay, Shane?
What's going on? You're looking funny. You're staring at the screen. Sorry.
One second. I don't like technology. I don't like this. I'm shutting this off.
It's telling me Ash can't hear that you can turn off your camera. Can you hear me? Okay. Ash is the place is not accessible.
Go on Chrome. Just okay. You guys can hear me though. Uh huh.
Yeah. Well, there's a question. I'm sorry. We're leaving all of that in.
So, no, my question is, Shane, you seem a little stressed. You have a funny look on your face. It'd be all the technology. Is there anything bothering you?
Anything else on your mind? We can just get to the good stuff if you don't want to talk about annoying things. Yeah. I am annoyed.
I just find there's always a lot to do and not enough time and I do not like technology. And I'm trying to manage Alex's account. And you know, I'm dealing with young people, people under 25 genuinely annoy me. And I had to be mean to someone recently via email, which you never want to do.
And then I had to have a phone call with them like right before I got here and I don't like feeling guilty. I don't like being a meanie. I don't like being a professional. But sometimes I have to be professional because people are so used to this performative version of kindness that is it's mostly playcation because you don't want to like a burn a bridge so you can keep a job in the future.
And that's a whole game of like brand partnerships and dealing with people and keeping relationships because if you remotely show your real personality and they have a heartbeat, then all of a sudden they're like, well, that's a care and we don't want to work with them anymore. And then ends up costing you financially. So I kind of broke that code. And this industry is so small, you know, you check out their Instagram, it's like friends with Burchall, all these people, it's like, yeah, yeah, like the rumor of me is going to just flood around, even though I did nothing wrong, simply showing any any goal, like the staff, the goal to actually speak your mind.
It actually it takes a lot of courage. It does, you know, I really meant I know what you mean. Sometimes, you know, you meet people who've like developed over time, just like an understanding with the people around them that they are going to speak in certain ways, not always friendly ways. You know, I remember reading like some profile like Bruce Springsteen, but like Bruce Springsteen is like the boss, you know, it's like the reason why his he's called the boss is that he like runs the show like the boss for his band.
And they're all kind of a little afraid of him. But then I don't think they resent him. They're like, oh, he's just a boss. And he runs a tight ship.
And sometimes he gets angry people. That's the way this goes. And that's what he's, you know, developed over over a lifetime of work. If you're like a band, you're close enough where you have you've earned enough redemption where they're like, okay, Max is 99.8% of the time the best guy in the world, him criticizing whatever, we'll let that slide and we know he's not a meaning.
Do you ever think about it? I am like that. No, no, I think you are. Do you know how much time you had in your 20s?
You know what that time, you know, they say youth is wasted on the young. It's the time they're talking about so much time is wasted recovering from a hangover. Trying to, you know, procure a wife for whatever you want to worry about. Hey, what's the weekend, baby?
You're trying to go to like, you know, a Sabrina Carpenter concert and throw on boots. You know, it's like, like Mike was talking about last weekend, but there it is very equitable. And Mark Myers taught me this. The less time you have, it's almost like the more time you have, because you actually, you know, you don't have a lot of time.
So you make time pockets where you'll actually get shit done. But when you have this seemingly, you know, you're a time millionaire and you have infinite time, you can just squander it. Because you're like, I can do that tomorrow. I can do that later.
If you got two kids and all this shit to do in a full time job, you're writing a TV show, you're like, I have a free hour here. I better send 40 fucking emails or I'm going to be underwater shortly. Well, so there is an extra. Okay, well, speaking and for our listeners, sorry, there's a little delay on this program, too.
I've noticed, but I will say that for our listeners, what triggered all this is that normally we do this on zoom, but and Shane is the guy that sets up the zoom. Thank you, Shane for always doing that every time we record. We're on some new program that he just got. So we're learning it.
We're learning a real time. We had to take a moment to actually step away to get the program going. But I think that technological sort of a learning curve of this particular program has also put you in a like a happiness deficit to start the plot. And here's the problem.
I don't like wasting people's time. I really do hate it, especially Max. He's probably got a phone call with Darren Jones in two minutes right now. And you know, you're doing a phone interview or something soon.
I know you are. You're doing some former press or a TikTok and I'm wasting your time. But I had allocated time to not waste Max's time or your time. I got to know what some of you kids are in camp and all that.
However, I had to do this phone call, this unexpected phone call where I had to have this conversation. And it was kind of an embarrassing conversation. And that was my time that I had allocated to learning Riverside. So I do not drop the ball here.
And then you said, guys, I'm gonna be five minutes late. So I'm like, yes. So I'm under the gun in five minutes to learn how to use this Riverside program. But of course, there's a litany of technical problems.
And I feel foolish. And I don't like, I like technological embarrassment gets me hot. Like, you can put you can put together Ikea furniture and you get like this combustible internal heat. That happens to me when there's a technical error.
And I don't like wasting people's time. Well, you're for that. You're for that. Okay.
I apologize. Okay. Onto, uh, sunnier matters. You know, let's talk about something lifting.
Let's talk about something good. Something about, you know, the state of the world being okay. Eddington. What do you think?
You know what? That's a child. No, no. And, you know, I might not even get maybe set up the movie.
I don't think it's a, like, it's like an indie film that some people might know. So you guys are supposed to, I have not, I, I, I, like, so it's, it's the smoothest that Ari Aster's last movie was Bo's Afraid starring, Walking Phoenix. This guy makes weird movies. This movie stars, Walking Phoenix and Pager Pascal and Emma Stone.
And it takes place during the pandemic. I don't know. But his movies, I think, can be a little challenging to watch. So I was trying to decide to see Miss and 28 years later, which is the zombie movie by Danny Boyle.
I chose the zombie movie because I'm like, I just, I just want to have some popcorn and not thank too much. You both have seen this movie. We all have talked about Bo's Afraid, his last movie on Last Pod. But Max, maybe your joke was that the movie is not sunny and uplifting.
I'd love to hear you two just talk about this movie now because yeah, maybe spoiler alert. And I'm happy for it to be successful. Yeah. So it takes place May 2020 and it is a reflection of the worst parts of American life.
Conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxer, anti-masculors, you know, all the culture war stuff that is grating. And he kind of gets to the heart of a lot of that stuff. So it is, it is shocking at some point. It's very funny at other points.
The performances I thought were really good. But I, but Shane is the movie expert. I want to know what Shane thought of this bizarre movie. Max, not only am I not the movie expert because I find everyone else speaks some movies better than me.
Like sometimes I might have like an understanding of movie, but articulating it is very hard. This doesn't feel like one of those times as I might have just zoned out for 80% of it. This movie might have been the realization that I don't like movies anymore or maybe new movies. I might not.
Wow. I might sit because I had so many like debates on movies. Like I saw that F1 movie. Guys, I'm laughing my ass up through the whole F1 film.
I cannot take it seriously. I'm thinking how it's made. I'm wondering about what Brad Pitt stunned his face, his skin treatments. I'm thinking everything about the movie itself is so cliche at times.
I'm wondering if it's a parody is it supposed to be like a lonely, I don't think it's in itself. And then I come to a point where I'm like, I'm the only one who truly understands this movie. And then I think I'm the smartest person in the world. So with with Bo is afraid, which was Arias's previous work, that was unbelievably challenging.
That is like three and a half hours of, you know, some might consider a torture. I love people. Because very protection people might say it was art. And it is a movie that lingers with you and stays with you.
I feel like it's still with me. I'm still like processing that movie. And I have met a handful of people who really enjoyed it. This movie is way more accessible than Bo is afraid.
It's not as accessible as a movie that was kind of his blockbuster called hereditary. That was a to quote, Michael ubiquitous film that I think most horror fans have seen and even transcended the genre. But to me, he's in his flop era a little bit for when it comes to commercialism. I don't him and Robert Eggers, I was really excited about these two upcoming young directors that I will have for the rest of my life, maybe because we're I think these guys are even younger than me.
So I'm always going to be able to enjoy film from them every two to three years. But Robert Eggers did the witch, which is amazing, like a masterpiece. And then he did the lighthouse, which is amazing. But the films after that aren't even close.
It's like he did Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction. But where's his and Gloria's Baster? Where's his other ones? It seems like now they're in their own era where they don't care about the audience anymore.
Arias there did hereditary, which isn't my cup of tea, but I still think it's an awesome horror movie. And then Midsome R, which is right up my alley. But now he's just doing these movies for himself. That being said, I messaged Mike and I said it's a seven that could lower to a six or it could rise to an eight.
And I hear Max talk or typing right now. I'm looking at him. I'm looking at him. I'm looking to relate to Arias.
And he wrote it. I was wondering if he wrote the movies. I was looking at Midsome R. But yeah.
Yeah. So I did like that review though, Shane, because I asked in the group and then Ash was like, no spoilers because you guys are going to see it. And then he just started saying he's like, it's a seven that could be downgraded to a six or lifted up to an eight depending maybe on whatever. But I like that review because it's true because sometimes it's expectations.
It's maybe it grows on you after you leave. Maybe it's the way you go into the theater and how you're sort of ready to receive a movie like that. It's just like also like the way you described it, like the people that it's about in that time and place. I was like, I just don't really want to spend time with those people.
Even if he made like a masterpiece, I'm like, I've found as I've gotten older, like when we talked on a pod recently about Mountain Head, like I was like, it's almost and I almost kind of the first time I felt this was with the Adam Sandler movie by the Safi Brothers. I got a jam. I got a jam. I got a jam.
So I got a jam at the Toronto Film Festival. It was like, you know, they were there I think for that one anyway. And I just that movie is undeniably like it's a great movie. People love that movie.
And I was like, I can think about it in a way that was like intellectuals like, Oh, like that movie was made and that is an accomplishment. It made me feel certain things. I felt sweaty and I felt uncomfortable. And you know, but I was like, I didn't enjoy my time.
I didn't enjoy spending two hours with a character that the character that Adam Sandler's playing. So even with what's at Mountain Head, I was like, I don't know, I'm almost having this feeling as I get older where I'm like, unless a movie really has something to say that I haven't already kind of thought or read in something piece or I'm seeing some version of on Twitter, I'm like, I don't want to spend an hour and a half with like, like fucked up people unless it really translates. You don't like and you also said the same thing about a chapter in my book best selling try hard, great work of ours. Yeah, I think how you didn't like the chapter about COVID, how you like, I just don't want to spend any time in COVID world.
And this whole movie is about COVID world. And also, it's funny because it's like, I think, see, I don't like horror movies because they scare me. I don't like, wait, I'm not going to just because obviously this was scary. Just just just think you're just scared.
And that's funny. Just imagine you being scared. It's like, it's like, it would say, Oh, no, no, there's been like, this is horror movies. I forget which one I saw with the band where I'm like, sassy, or something.
I left 20 minutes left, I left the movie when there's 20 minutes left, I was like, just ask myself, why do I want why am I subjecting myself to this? I don't want to be like myself to this at all. I have more of an interest and patience in political commentary. And I did like, did Midsomar have the same kind of like present day political, I know there's probably some political commentary, I don't really remember the movie other than it looks stunning.
But did was it saying something political in the way that Eddington is? I don't think so. I think it's just like a cool movie with like crazy interesting shots and women in like a Nordic spa. And that to me is like a kind of like escapism in a horror kind of way, which is great.
But it's not like rounded in like, oh, this is like an annoying person. I think it was more like commentary on like religion or cults and what's the difference? And you know, it was kind of like a wicker man style remake. But I think it was just commenting on that traditions and aging and mortality.
Uh huh. That's right. Smile to was the movie, by the way, that I walked out of, I walked out of it. The fact that you would even go see Smile to is laughable.
Yeah, man, this is clearly still has, okay, the band was kind of like, time is precious. We don't have time and Max is somehow found time to squeeze in Smile to we were in Saskatoon. We were in Saskatoon to be fair. Oh, say no more.
Yeah, but yeah, it seems like that you don't want to like deal with like the immediate destruction of our planet that you know is being discussed in Mountain Head or Edington. You're like, I can talk about like religion in a more vague kind of way, but not this like immediate thing that confronts us. I think it's just that it's also ever present all the time that to see it reflected back in a movie unless the movie really transcenders, except you know, I'm just kind of like, I just, there's, I want to spend time living in joy as much as I can. And I don't feel like these movies are reflecting things back on us that are happening in the relevant, but it's like I'm getting a steady diet of that in reality.
Yeah. So unless like mountain head was so funny that I'm like, oh, that was an interesting take, but it just felt more like a well made mirror back of a bunch of things I already feel like I'm consuming, if that makes sense. And then so Edington feel and the trailer made it seem like it was essentially just the worst parts of Twitter made into a movie, you know what I mean? Like, which is kind of like I'm on Twitter.
I saw I saw with book called Maddie, and he said, if somebody else had written it, it would have been way better. That was his point. He's interesting. I think he enjoyed it.
But he's like, this is the problem with a lot of the archers these days, whether it's like Ryan Coogler or I asked her, he's saying, you know, somebody else actually wrote the movies and they just got to sort of like shape it, it would be better to agree with that. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think there's a lot of good writer directors when you find a good one to me. That's the best thing.
I think he was saying that like, a Ryan Coogler movie could be better. Arias are really could be better. Of course, that movie could have been better if someone else wrote it. It also could have been way worse.
And the direction wouldn't have been as sure handed because the writing informs the director you write what you can envision in your mind. And sometimes there's a little bit of guesswork when you're not the person who wrote it. This also gets to the fandom fandom in general and like AI where it's going the argument against AI is we like we like to consume things that are generated like by humans like the appeal of our Kelsang. I know that you wrote it and you're performing it.
It's less so than maybe like some you name it. I don't know. Like a Beyonce song or something where it has 10 writers on it. No, again, Beyonce is going to have her fans or whatever.
But I just think there's something about singer-songwriter, writer, directors where it's like, oh, like I'm a fan of that person's creative. Do you know what I mean? So like, I think there is something, something to that, even if it isn't perfect or it's flawed or whatever, you go, well, that's the package that I'm interested in, you know? No, yeah, no.
The Beyonce or Poppy's not going to quite work in the same way because it's like kind of a different thing because you're kind of going to a positive number. No, but the better example is like, what if there is like this great band that like looked cool and performed great and then you realize that they didn't perform any of their songs like, you know, the next like Luminee or something like that, you know, you'd be like, what? Yeah, yeah, but doesn't like, yeah, I don't know. I guess you're right.
But like, some like Billy Eilish or like a Chappelle Rhone or whatever, you know that they're generating the music that you're hearing. I said that name wrong. I don't know, but yeah, but it's like Chappelle Rhone. Thank you.
It's what I used to do with Hermione Granger. Like when I first read those first two Harry Potter books forever, I was just like, her gomogany. Like I just because I know when it said the name out loud and then find someone's like, who are you talking about? Like, you know, like her gomoniny and they're like, Hermione and I was like, I don't know.
But anyway, yeah, I don't know. I'm into it. It's your point, Shane, because it's like, who is the writer that's going to write Ari Aster's movie that's going to make it better? And even finding that person is going to be impossed.
You know, I don't know. Are they available? What's it look like? Yeah, that's interesting.
Interesting. I do love, I do love Club Matty Sakes. He was after the Shane Gillis monologue. I was getting texts from him at like 6am and he was sending me bits.
You know, he thought it was, he was fantastic. And I was just like, we're chatting back and forth about it. Okay, I just have to grab a charger. You guys talk to amongst yourselves.
Let's talk about the late night situation. Should we talk with this? Oh, yeah. Yeah.
I want Shane's take on Coldplay. So let's start talking about, yes. So yeah, just to tease the listeners, we saw Coldplay recently at the Roger Stadium. That being said, we're going to start with the late night, why is Stephen Colbert, the last they're canceling a show is gone.
It's gone in May. This has caused a lot of, I feel like a lot of people are talking about this because they're sort of moving parts to it all. Late night is sort of a dying format. You know, the world is changing.
I heard recently on a podcast, was it Simmons podcast or somebody else's podcast? Yeah, Simmons and Matt Bellany. And he basically said late night shows are almost like selling CDs. At a time, I would have like a, at a blockbuster.
I don't know. But it was like, it's just like, stuff changes, you know, but there's this looming thing where I guess the parent company is looking for a merger. Trump is also sued. The Trump administration has to approve the merger.
And so like this was an appeasement to the Trump administration because Stephen Colbert has traditionally been, you know, very hard on Trump and sort of uses his platform to make fun of him and all that stuff. So there's a lot of conspiracy theories surrounding it. What are your thoughts, Max, since you wanted to chat about it? Well, I was just thinking about like the strategy of how all the other late night guys were going to talk about it.
And you know, on the weekend, I was like, Oh, get ready for Monday. Get ready for Monday. You know, John Stewart's gonna go off. Obviously I follow Matt Bellany for the town who's like a Hollywood gossipy reporter and he goes on the Simmons show.
So we're all talking about what's gonna happen on Monday. And it really felt a little bit like, and by the way, I love John Stewart. I grew up watching John Stewart. You know, all the way in that guys I revere in the wrong way.
I thought the approach was wrong. I think the approach needed to be just like, this is not about us. This is just purely about corruption and, you know, big big companies placating or capitulating to Trump. And that is really the only thing.
And this late show needs to come to an end. That's okay. If who's not somebody, that's okay. But like, this one example that has been canceled, like suddenly, even though it's the number one ranked show on late night is like, is yet another example of how bad Trump is for America.
And I just feel like the left is like consistently taking the wrong approach. And when you see somebody like John Stewart, who I love, who's made like tens of millions of dollars worth so much money, you don't talk about like anything about the sanctity of late night kind of did a little for me. And this is totally unrelated. But I'm always thinking about like, you know, if you're somebody on the right, who like is just constantly rolling their eyes at the left, and like, especially like rich liberals who are constantly like telling you what to do or how to live, I got a DM from Ash, and let me pull it up right here.
I'm going to tell me who this who you think this child is. Okay. Okay. Yeah, put it more in the middle.
I can't see. Oh, sorry. Okay. All right.
It's like someone in a red convertible with, you know, the floppy modern haircut that everybody has that kind of comes down so it's like a beetle cut, but it's like usually more curdled. Can you describe the car a little bit? Yeah. Like, or like, I'm not good with cars.
It looks very expensive. It's very expensive. And yeah, it's a red. It's a Lamborghini car.
And so the kid isn't going to guess. Hold on. Let me just pull up. I'll keep describing what the kid is saying in the video.
The kid saying, Hey, everybody got a show on Friday, coming out to my show. It's going to be great dropping a new song. So he's like a musical artist. Who is this child?
I look at his in his like early 20s. Might be might be younger. Oh, wow. Okay.
Well, it's not John Stewart's kid. I feels like that's the natural conclusion. Since you're we're talking about John Stewart. I was going to guess go bears.
Yeah. You see 17 Xavier Trudeau, Justin Trudeau's kid. Oh, yeah. Now he's on the conversation.
That was my first guess because I know he's a rapper. Yeah. So I'm like, all these, you know, all these concerns that hated the Trudeau's because like you're just like a rich person telling us what to do. And you're talking about raising the taxes and this and that or whatever.
It's like, and everyone like just sort of suspicious of Trudeau and like liberals. It's because like their kids are driving around it. That could 17 driving around in that car. It's like, yeah, it's so gross to me.
And so anyway, I'm always just so when I came to late nights, late night stuff, I was just like, can we just like only talk about it in the paradigm of Trump corruption and not about like you're taking away my show that I deserve because things change. And that's okay. That's my tip. Yeah.
First of all, you use the word capitulated, which I think is pretty impressive if you're thinking ubiquitous. That's good. I was even like in context, I was like, Oh geez, I do not know that word. But yeah, I tend to agree with you watching it.
It feels a little bit like rich people complaining. And I know John Stewart on his show, it's almost like the audience wants everything he says to me in my drop moment. And the way he delivers lines is amazing. He's obviously very effective.
He could say anything and I'd be like, wow, that was profound. But it wasn't resonating with me the way I think a lot of people are sharing it and saying that should have hit and it feels like all the late show host cares about is their own shows getting canceled next. So they're kind of positive that way. Like they're worried about themselves getting fired and it feels very transparent.
I don't know. Yeah, like who gives a shit? Like, yeah, sorry. Nobody.
No, well, first of all, they are next. Like the format's dying. Like it's dying. And they're expensive.
And that's it. The whole world is changing. Like, so it's like, yeah, like odds are they're all going to keep getting shrunk down and something new will pop up. It'll probably online based or whatever that looks like.
So they are right to be scared. And it feels like maybe this happened too soon. Maybe it is a conspiracy. I don't know.
I thought that John Stewart monologue was like you said, he's such an excellent speak to camera performer. And I thought it was good. I actually didn't think it was well written. I did it when he got to the choir at the end.
That's when I was like, Oh, this is like, I'm like, I was like, you could have just said what you had to say. And then I know it's an entertainment show. So you want to have that, you know, go fuck yourself and then the choir sings behind him. One, that felt like a tired bit.
I'm like, I said a million times. I'm like two, I'm like two, like John Stewart felt flop sweaty in that moment. I was just like, you should have just cut it. But whatever, who am I?
I'm not making the show? They would say fuck off to me. Fine. Secondly, Max, I think you touched on something that is really, this has been an issue for a long time is like progressives or the left.
They keep doing this thing where they think they can like shame, like whatever is going on on the right or Trump or whoever into like, have you no shame? And it's like, no, it's just people are keeping a movement. They're going to sort of execute their thing and like getting a lecture, you know, by like a sanctimonious lecture. That doesn't work.
Like evidence doesn't work. Like it's just like, you kind of just got it. You've got to almost just try and build the world that you want to live in and you have to fucking do it. Come hell or high water with whatever tax you can.
So if like progressives or the left want to sort of like have a world that reflects more of the world use, they need to find ways to do it. But they're so obsessed with basically like calling out the bad behavior from the other side or like trying to shame them into a sense of like doing what they see as good. It's like, it's not going to happen. Like the other side literally listens.
So they don't even listen, they laugh and they just do their own fucking thing. The other thing about your do's kid. Now they're my goddamn soapbox is it's like, is this new information that the leaders on both sides are extremely fucking rich and that it's like, it's all sort of a game for them, which is so that's the thing that makes it so defeatist for like anyone in the middle or at the bottom is it's just like, oh, they're like playing with our face. Like, you know, the things that affect interest rate and inflation and can you buy a home, can you raise a family in this current sort of climate?
It's like we're in this sort of like phase where it's like this squeeze from anyone that has money or controls things to suck the last bits of money out at the expense of everything. And we all just sit there in this bad like honestly like Trudeau 17 year old in that Lamborghini saying come to my shitty DJ or rap gig or whatever the hell it is. It's like, that seems like it's not this Ari Aster movie you guys are talking about. If I need to go see the Ari Aster movie to see reality reflected back on me, like it's, it's not to be negative.
Now like, I swear, I am very happy. I was hanging out. You know, I'm like, I'm from campus week. We're going to see Smurfs this afternoon.
I will be very happy, you know, like, and you know, we're relatively the three of us. We're doing pretty good, but I just think that's like, I don't know what it's like 10 years from now. There's a lot of people right now that are just struggling. And it's just like, nobody has like a self awareness.
Like if you're Trudeau, I mean, what the hell is Trudeau care? Again, he's rich. He's off. He's single.
He's doing his own thing. Like, so if his kid is sort of like on the internet in his Lamborghini looking like an idiot and ruining some narrative about some altruistic liberal who we all knew was rich in the first place and I vote liberal. Like I'll tell it on this podcast. I voted for Trudeau, but it's like, you know, like, has the guy been a huge disappointment?
Absolutely. Has he been embarrassingly unaware at times? Absolutely. So then you just sort of like kind of go, I don't know, man, like, is there someone coming to save us or do we all just need to sort of, you know, be around the ones we love and fill our lives with joy and do the best we can in these moments?
Because like you said, back to John Stewart, it's like, I don't know, like I guess he can articulate what is going on from a certain POV. But is he changing anything? Like what are the next steps, man? Like I get it.
Right bad. Trump bad. Corruption. You know, crony is him crushing anything that has a hint of dissension against you.
Cool. So what's next? Like what do we do now? You know, find me that guy, girl or person, human, give me a fucking human that can lead the way that will make us all sort of give us hope again, back to Andor, which I recommended to you, Maxie, a couple of weeks ago.
Let's start the rebellion, you know, for another day that we might not even get to see. Anyway, that's it. That's what I say. Oh, God, no, the scrutiny, the scrutiny would be too much, you know, we got video of him fucking hammered with his asset in a bar from 2015 or fuck 2025.
But it's like, I just got no thanks. Good. Right. Let's go to Coldplay.
That was excellent. I love that. I want that. I want to know every episode, to be honest.
That was amazing. Yeah, you're the new Rick Mercer. Thank you. I'll take it.
I'll take it. Yeah, Coldplay. We saw Coldplay. Shane, have you ever, I know you were, I think you're, you might have been away, you're out of friends.
Yeah. And we went to Coldplay. But have you been to a Coldplay show, Shane? So just to get away in on the experience.
Yeah, I have. I talked about it last time. Like it was at our work in the, they did a event called like Coldplay on the park or something or in the lot in the parking lot. And I did it in a parking lot and I had to interview, not had to, I got the opportunity to interview Chris Martin and his other bandmate who I should learn his name.
And he was incredibly nice. And then I went to the show, I filmed a show and then I made a commercial about the show. But yeah, it was a good time. Like, I won't lie that and say Coldplay is my band or like I'm very into them because I'm not.
But I think they have amazing songs and they're nice guys. Well, actually, I didn't really want to talk about the show. It was great. And it was fun.
We went with my dad and Ash and Mike and we were in a suite with a bunch of friends. So it was very cool. Can I just say the best part about your dad who I love, Mike Kerman, a Kerman is he drove his home after the gig. I felt like a teenager going to a show at Cops again where a parent has to pick you up and they're like, so what did you think of the show?
And then we just discussed the show. It took 45 minutes to get back down to like me, Max and Ash are Mike Kerman's car. And I was reflecting on it like a couple days later. I was like, I felt like I was like 18 again and saw Weezer and then the parent drove us home and we all talked about it excitedly.
Yeah, so that element was he driving a very nice vehicle. Question was it convertible Lamborghini with a top down? No, it's a 2010 Subaru. So it's the car is 15 years old.
And yeah, if you must know, my dad loved your company and it brought me much joy to like turn around and see the two of you guys. Chopping it up on the way other than you and you're so great with with anybody. Yeah, so my dad, my dad gets to kick it around people. Go ahead.
Well, what was the thing he said? Because he was talking about my kids right now. I was like, oh, it's nice to get away, you know, get out for the night or whatever. And he's like, oh, hell your kids now's like, oh, six and three.
And I was like, hell do your kids. I know, of course you and Emily. But it was it was a fun moment. And then yeah, like you said, on the walkout of Rogers Arena, we can get into that the experience of that, which, you know, there's been a lot of controversy over that, but I had a great experience.
But on the walkout, you have to get really cool. You have to recycle the cold plate brace. It's to give you these globers. So you got to find like a bucket to put them in on the way out.
But Max and Ash ended up kind of quite a bit ahead of us just because the way, you know, these large crowds work. But it was awesome because the whole walk back to the parking lot, your dad and I just got to, you know, chop it up. It was great. It was great.
But yeah, if you want to talk about Coldplay, it's not a cold play. Well, I also just want to talk about the Coldplay, this campaign that happened a few nights later in another show. So we want to stay right on top of the culture by the time this comes out, this will be a good delay. Yeah, that's the that's the oh, we'll be on to another affair.
Another Jumbo try by the time this comes out. I want to shade any of your immediate thoughts on that and we'll keep it short. Immediate thoughts, honestly, were how would I play it off if I was in that situation? I think everybody had that thought.
What would I do? Yeah, oh, yeah. I don't think it's a unique thought. So I was in the majority and I'd like to think I would just play it cool and make it goofy and just hope I guess that no one I knew was at the Coldplay show.
I think this is the best move. Like there's a lot of like high concept stuff I saw where, you know, you pretend you're given like the high maneuvering stuff like that. Which is really smart. Because you got to think it really, if you went to a few second city courses, I bet your brain would be in that mode and you could have gotten out of it.
Yeah, you're holding right. Yeah, you know, yeah, I got a rack of stuff. The problem when you're a really high powered person and you're very rich, you're surrounded by yes people and you never really have to tap dance in a high pressure situation. You're always the one putting other people on the spot.
So it is the one situation where you're fucked, where the fame is bigger than you and the moment is bigger than you and you are never in moments that are bigger than you and you don't know how to act that you literally drop to your knees like a four year old and high. Oh, that's amazing. It's true. It's true.
It's so true. Wow. Just the audacity to conoodle in an affair situation, even if you never end up on the Jumbotron, that is a level of comfort to be, you know, you're not going to run into like other friends on the suite level at, you know, at your, the Coldplay concert in Massachusetts. Like if you, I don't know man, like just the audacity, you know, you feel for the family though.
I was actually, I was at a thing and it came up and I was like, oh, did you see the Jumbotron thing? And I was like, yeah, of course. And I sort of gave a quick hot take where I'm like, it's one of those like kind of a perfect news story, a perfect storm for a new story. It's like rich people doing embarrassing things where no one dies.
There's a celebrity involved and, you know, everyone can sort of have a bit of a laugh. And somebody was like, I don't think it was funny for his wife and kids. And I'm like, I was like, no, well taken, you're totally right. I'm just saying, I was commenting more on the viral nature of the clip and why everybody is able to sort of seemingly have fun with it.
But um, And it helped that there was all these other sales from former employees that said he was like a tyrant of a boss and nobody liked him. So that, that really, and also his statement was terrible, too. It was very bad. And that statement is real.
I don't know if that is, I think I think astronomer, which is the name of the company said that the statement wasn't real. I think they said the contrary to popular belief, whatever's name is, it has not released the statement. Okay, maybe not. Okay.
So that's the internet for you. Okay. Last thing guys. And then I rolled, um, And then I have one quick last thing.
Oh, you go, you go, you go. Oh, okay. I was going to say last two things actually. Okay.
So last week, some we were talking about how what the best air of the pod was inspired by that woman. The rally to Risa, she messaged us this morning to confirm when the best air of the pod is because I think I misported her. Originally, I had said it was the very beginning of the pod. Like, you know, when we first started and we were telling all these personal stories and all that, but she said it was the beginning of COVID and I don't want to give my PTSD for living this time.
For whatever reason, that time, maybe we were a particularly on and maybe just think that yes. And then and secondly, I thought it was funny and the weirdest coincidence that we were talking about how it's so odd for a 40 year old man to hide and surprise on one of their friends because I John Wallace and I had hidden on Mike when he came down to his basement and Mike was like, what the? And we hopped out and we kind of scared him and surprised and we got left. Anyway, I'm walking the halls of work on a dead day at the office.
It was like a Thursday and I hear a whistle like a cat call was like, whoo, whoo. So I'm like, what the heck? I'm like, is Mike here is a me to wouldn't do that? My supervisor.
So I turn around. No one is in the hallway. What the heck? It pops.
You said what the? Yeah. What? But who do you think it was?
Mike, do you have any guesses? Oh, I can't even imagine. I would have said our Frank Barron, but he's retired. I couldn't even guess.
No, it's an on air on air personality. Oh, well, this is good. It'll be relevant to listeners. Chloe wild.
No. Oh, it wasn't Tyrone was it? It was Tyrone. Whoa.
Whoa. So I wrote hops out and I'm like, so taken aback. Oh my God. I almost didn't know what to say.
I'm like, this is hilarious. I go, we were just talking about this on our podcast, How 40 year old are men hiding and popping out. It's the stupidest, funniest thing you can do. I don't think he was ready for that kind of criticism about that.
I know when I speak things come out wrong. So I just came out wrong. I'm kind of rambling on how silly it is. And it's really embarrassing for a four year old man to do that.
Maybe he's not even in his 40s, but I don't know. But it felt like it wasn't hitting the way I wanted to. And he's kind of like, Hey, but it was, it was this Phil. It brought me so much joy for him to do that.
Yeah. He's listening. Thank you, Tyrone. I'm sure he is.
Yeah. He talks very own. Tyrone Edwards. He's fantastic.
I was. He's like, I made it seem like that was uncool because that was cool. Yes. Good to clarify.
Good to clarify. I went stuck a cab from JFK into downtown New York with him because we're on the same flight. We're both interviewing no Gallagher. So we said, you want to come with me?
He's like, because he got to comp it for work. And I was like, I'll jump in with you. And we basically spent an hour together. And it was, it was great.
I'm a big fan. Okay, I guess that's it. That is all. That is our episode.
Guys, it was, it was a, it was a great hang. Maybe even the best. Thank you so much. Thank you so much.
Thanks so much. I'm gonna trash out. Can I forget? I didn't forget.
It was right there in my brain. All right. Bye everybody.