Mind Your Schabusiness

Hey. Okay. Hey. What's going on?

I mean, it's been a pretty crazy day. Beginning a fashion week, everything seems to have gone wrong today, but it's all good. It's 95 degrees. We're here now.

Yeah. And we're going to talk about someone who had a worse day. Oh yeah. Yeah, we are.

Is it the Obama men crack smoker sex tape guy? Okay, no, we can definitely talk about that. Let's talk about that. Okay, so Tucker Carlson.

Okay, so there's this guy who definitely looks like somebody who would approach you and say I smoked crack was a president before, meaning like if anybody comes up to you and says I smoked crack with this famous person, you should obviously bet the shit out of them and say like I need a sex, I need a sex tape or I need hardcore evidence because you're a lead is I guess I had gay sex and I smoked crack with Obama, which is the wildest thing. So who do you think invited him for an interview? Tucker Carlson. Exactly.

He loves. He's a ghoulish muppet. He's literally like him. I can't remember why, but I saw him mean it was like him and Trump and they were like messy bitches that lived for a job.

Oh my God. He was dramatic and he was a bow tie and he's always just looks like monotonously incredulous to the point where he's like, so this guy's like, he's like, tell me what happened with Obama in this clip that he released, but like the bombshell interview. Yeah, it's like elder Twink in DC who's like, well, one night I went home with Obama and he laid a line out and then we were doing it and then he said, I'm going to smoke this and then he started smoking it and then it cuts across and Tucker Carlson. He's like, whoa.

And then he's like, and then he starts like. And then he's like, and then he's like, and then we started having sex. And so like Tucker Carlson now that he's like, I mean, it's crazy to say that now he's not into the reins of Fox News. He can do whatever the fuck you want.

So he's like, I'll pay you to come on my show and talk about a crackdown sex with Obama. That's like a bombshell and I'll look like this the whole time. So that's apparently debuting this week. So hopefully we can talk about it next week with like live live features.

But again, you're just taking some, you're taking somebody who came to you with a crack sex story like at face value and you're like, get in front of the camera. Get in front of the world. Okay, that. And secondly, I don't trust any man above the age of like 16 that has that haircut.

Well, yeah, Tucker Carlson's, um, duper. It's giving very like Rachel's, has been Roger. Oh my God, for sure. It's very much Roger's name.

Shut up, Roger. I mean, he could have been the Tucker Carlson of a fashion. Where is Roger? I saw them holding hands in the rain once and that's last time.

Oh my God. But anyway, so Tucker Carlson, like somebody needs to put him in a somersible and like tell him that the sex takes at the bottom of the sea. I know. Like reboot.

We need to reboot this country. What was he? It would have been extremely him to be in a somersible. Yeah, I know, but only for like a salacious gossip is a dramatic bitch.

Do you know what I mean? Like is he only going back to the bottom of the ocean for like the Sunday interview like it. Like, you know, a gay sex crack tape of Obama. That doesn't exist.

Tucker Carlson is there for any scandal. He's yeah. He's ready to go. He's at the Perez Hilton at the Conservative.

Who's boots on the ground. He's really is. He's like all sorts of crazy. He has children.

Can you imagine being like, Oh my God, it's pissing on my dad's daughter or go somebody. Don't tell anybody. But probably like I feel like whatever school they go to probably like all the kids are probably Probably like all the kids around them are Tucker Carlson and Jason and like think he's cool. Or their parents do.

Yeah, I hope his kids like turn out as a gay wishes or something. I mean, not no. I mean probably. Probably.

They're probably just a Nazi, whatever. Okay, another topic. Yeah, sorry. No, no, no, no, no.

I needed to be a dresser. Yeah, I've been thinking about it all day because I'm like, God, we really make sure the point where you can just say you smoke crack with somebody in the liquid, you want like a major show. Honestly, no. Where's Hunter Biden when you need him?

Well, I'm like, everyone's trying to steal his thunder. I know, really? Well, because every kid's like, smoke crack and go down the water slide and go in and get into him. We have a lot of lore to address with him.

But did you hear about the diarrhea plane? Did you hear about this? You didn't hear about this? The diarrhea plane.

The diarrhea plane. Okay, there was a plane that was flying from Atlanta to Barcelona and this woman. It happened this week. It was like all over the news.

You didn't hear about it. No, I know. So, I'm very glad. I'm going to really cool.

I saved this one from a crack. I saved this one from a crack. I saved this one from a crack. I saved this one from a crack.

I saved this one from a crack. I saved this one from a crack. And diarrhea plane were like, Jerry Springer was right. But he was like, my show, like I'm single-handedly blamed for ruining society.

Or like these are the norm. So what happened? OK, so this woman, she, OK, obviously, like had to go to the bathroom. I was having fun.

As an understatement. That's what happened. And she, OK, so she went to the bathroom, but I don't know exactly why this happened, or if she couldn't make it, or if it was just coming out of the bathroom and like on a wild rampage. But she went all through the aisle.

Like went all through the aisle of the plane. Like imagine it's like, we're sitting there at an aisle seat. And this woman is just like having diarrhea through the plane. It was like all over the aisle.

They had to turn the plane around. It was headed to Barcelona. They had to turn the plane around to go back to Atlanta. Stop.

And like they, I heard the recording and the captain was like, oh, we're going to have to turn this plane around. Smells like shit. We're here. And it's like screaming.

And they're like, oh, no. They're keeping her identity like very, very underassed. Why did she leave the bathroom? I don't know.

Like why didn't she, like when she out of her, out of her gorge? I don't know what happened. I mean, obviously she had some sort of like very extreme food poisoning. I'm thinking like, I'm not sure.

It's a dessert. No, I know I was thinking it's giving the orange cream chicken. It's a dessert. She's like, I went to start.

I went to start out by L and they had to turn the plane around. Everyone had to deplane. And then they had to pull all the carpet up and recarpet the plane and it took like five hours. And apparently they put like cleanser like it was going to because everybody like in asthma too.

No, no, no. Apparently they were trying to like disinfect it obviously because it was a biohazard. And they used some cleaner that's vanilla-scented and people like it just made it smell like vanilla shit. This was a direct clump.

It's like a homework candle set with like that sort of like spunk. It's like that's and body works warm vanilla sugar plus diarrhea. What is going on? No, it was crazy.

And then I saw this footage of her and she was on a stretcher but they blurred her face out. Did they glare face out? Yeah, of course. I mean, obviously that's so embarrassing.

What was she wearing? I don't know. She was like a juicy bodysuit. What was she wearing?

She was wearing a mucous black piece. If you're wearing a mucous black piece like this. If you're wearing a mucous bloat out of a black piece. If you're wearing a mucous bloat out of an air plate toilet.

You're not, I hope you're not wearing clothes. So it's like, did they redress her? Did they wrap her in like a sheet? Did they wrap her in a bag?

She's wearing go take a sheet. I'm not a stretcher. I like blurred face out. And there are like women behind it.

Oh my god. I'm not protecting your identity. At least like they're like. No, I mean, I'm not sure that happened to you.

Can you imagine? Like, I don't understand the running note. Like, never in a million fucking. She must have not been able to make it or something.

Oh, so she. Oh, okay. I thought you mentioned she exploded back into the bathroom. I don't know.

I don't know. They never explained that. But I feel like the likely conclusion is that she couldn't make it. But there was like a blurred out video and you could see it on the floor.

And with all these towels everywhere. And it was like right next to the seats. It's the cool world with it. That's what we're truly like.

The world is truly like fire. We're like Tucker Carlson, Obama, gay sex, crap tape interview. And then it's like explosive diarrhea plane. Like vanilla scented candle.

I mean, it truly is the apocalypse. It is. I mean, it's also like 95 degrees of milk. I know it's so hot.

All right. So yeah, she means speaking of lore. Speaking of lore, I'm Olivia. I'm Austin.

And you're listening to lust for a lore podcast. Ooh. Okay. Okay.

I just wanted to say good conversation, which is a crazy, crazy crime that's happened quite recently in Green Bay, Wisconsin with a woman, Grace Yourself, named Taylor Shvdissness. Yes. You heard that correctly Shabbyimi devil. Not a shabizness mind your graphics mind.

Is your business in Green Bay? Cause this woman definitely talks. But you committed this crime. So this happened in February, 2022.

But I came aware of it more recently because she just in trial like early August, late July of. crime we're about to hear that happen in February. In February, 2020. So it must have been freezing.

Yeah. OK. So I'm trying to set the scene. I see her name.

Her name is She's changed. Her name is She's Business. It's wild. It's wild.

So her name is Taylor Shabizness. It was previously Taylor Coronado, and she legally changed her name to Shabizness. Because her husband, who's her husband, her husband is in jail. Her husband is in jail currently, and he legally changed his name to Shabizness.

It's a family affair. Yeah, well, it's like the family she business. The family she business. So he had to, before he met her, I don't know if it was during, but he had legally changed his name to Shabizness.

And then when she married him, she took his last name, which was Shabizness. Just to clarify where this name has come from. So before we hear about what she did, how, like, what is the name changed to crime committed timespan? Like, is it six months?

I'm not sure how long she was married, but her husband was already in jail. He was already in jail, I think, for at least a couple of years. Because if anybody changed their name to Shabizness, I'd be like, they need to be put on a list. No, I completely agree with you.

Yeah. And especially if you're like, I'm changing my name to Shabizness because my husband in prison changed his name to Shabizness. So obviously we're doing this. Yeah.

So I know I'm surprised. I mean, she chose to marry someone who legally changed his name to Shabizness. So that should tell you a lot about her choices. I mean, I'm excited.

OK, yeah. So Taylor Shabizness is 25. While her husband was in jail, she had a friend named Shad Tyrion, who's 24. OK.

And they were friends, but they were also lovers and fooling around and spending a lot of time together. So Shad is the victim of her crimes. So basically on February 24 of 2022, the police were called to Shad's mother's house. Oh, wait.

They were like, OK. So they were hanging out. They were hanging out in the basement of Shad's mother's house. Did he live at his mom's house?

I believe that he did. OK, so plot the case. I believe he did. But I think it was a situation where, like, you know, when people like, I think there was a separate door to just the basement.

So it's like he could kind of come and go as he pleased. And the mother would just kind of let him hang out with his friends, do what he wanted, and not bother him. OK. And then he's like, I'm hanging out with Taylor Shabizness.

Yeah. Mine does. Yeah. So she heard a door slam, like, very early in the morning, on February 24.

It was probably like two, three in the morning. So she was like, OK, what is that? Like, did Shad come home? So she comes downstairs and she discovers his head in a bucket.

With what? His head in a bucket, with two knives. In the bucket? In the bucket, body fluid and a male body part.

And we all know what part of that is. And also, can we assume the same about the fluid? I think it was urine. I think it was urine.

But it was crazier. I know. I think she liked it. She cut his head off.

She cut his dick off and then pissed the bucket and it sewed the knives. I mean, that's like the. That's where we're at right now. That's where we're at.

That's where we're at right now. I'm going to paint a picture for you. So that happened. And obviously, the mom was in shock.

She's like, oh, just dump it out in the snow. No, I mean, I saw videos of her talking to the police. And she was weirdly pretty calm. Like, you would think someone would be hysterical.

She was obviously distraught. She was obviously distraught. But like, not to the extent that I probably would have been. I mean, that's insane to find that.

So the police came. And obviously, they were asking her the normal questions. Like, do you know anyone that could have done this? Like, can you identify as that in your son?

All of the crazy, crazy. And she said, oh, he's been spending a lot of time with this girl named Taylor Shabizness. Yeah. Exactly.

It's like, I know, because you don't want to laugh at it. It's gruesome. It's just also so wild. No, the entire story's wild.

You're like, I mean, obviously, what you found in the bucket. And then also being like, yeah, now that I think of it, this woman named Taylor Shabizness has been hanging around. And you're like, huh. Yeah, well, I mean, she was the first person to come to mind.

So there must have been something that you felt was off about her. Maybe it last name. Maybe it last name. Maybe it last name.

I think there's something more to come than just the last name. So basically, they tracked her down that night. And when they found her, she was covered in a red substance on her hands and her clothes. And they searched her car, found more body parts in the car, including a leg in a crock pot.

OK. So she flees the scene. She flees the scene. But his head.

And his dick and peas in the bucket with the knives. And then she gets pulled over and has a crock pot. Did she take it from now? I don't have more answers than a crock pot.

If anything, it's a strange way that's the most alarming. Because you're like, well, what are your plans? Are you just looking for a bucket? I mean, I guess we're going to get to that.

Because there's some more coming. So they found that she was taken into questioning and asked about the head. She responded with statements such as, that's pretty fucked up. And damn, the head.

I can't believe I forgot the head. Stop. What? So that's what she initially says when she gets pulled over and is questioned.

So they're like, ma'am, do you know anything about this guy you've been hanging out with? So I ended up like, and she's like, damn, head. I forgot it. I can't believe I forgot the damn head.

And they're like, ma'am is on a crock pot with another body part in the basket. She's like, it's kind of like a detective's dream. Like it's like a laid, obviously not a dream, because it's like disgusting, or it's a crime. But dream in the sense of like, OK, there's no mystery here.

Like we definitely know who did this. Right. It's not like she's trying to be like, she's not being reclusive in any way. She's like, she's always like, she's relishing.

And that's owning it and saying like, no, she's bringing stand up comedy into the crock pot. She certainly is. She certainly certainly is. But you know that we never see this really rare in these types of stories.

They're like busted her like hiding in the mountains and cabin. I feel like you hear about like a body that's been dismembered and it's discovered somewhere. Or like, the years before you thought that. Or like, there's a string of crimes that are all sort of similar and they all have the same like, have been killed the same way.

Or the same body part is cut off or whatever the details are. But like, not something which I think shows her state of mental illness because if you were mentally all there and functional, you would even if you were going to do something that was this horrible, you'd be better at hiding it. Absolutely. Well also, she's not trying to hide it since something huge.

Definitely. Where did they find like, was she just cruising in her car? Like, I just know they tracked her down. I don't know where they did.

But they, I'm assuming she was probably like in her car or maybe at home and then they searched her car. I'm not really sure. I wonder what she was listening to in her car. Probably Fiona.

Probably like Ace of Base. Probably. But on full blast, crackpot again. But Enya.

Anyway, I mean, and nothing says like in a car. Like, any end this now. The sub, the sub-zero type of green bay. Absolutely.

I know the fact that it's in Green Bay was constant. Yeah. It's something that's. It just really paints a picture.

It adds like to the brutality in a bleed. Yeah, I know it really. OK, vocabulary. Retallory in a bleed.

OK, so also, she tells them that she was doing meth with shad. Well, this is quite an extension. It's like, yeah, yeah. Is it, is it forever related?

Well, obviously like, damn the head. You're like, when did it have you last left? So they were smoking meth together. And the mom's basement.

In the mother's basement. OK. And then things got out of hand. What do you mean clearly?

What kind of things? Things were truly got out of hand. But like, what is that? Basically, she strangled him with a chain.

But they were like a dog chain type thing. She was the one with the pokey. Yeah. And like a training caller.

Yeah. And she said that this was something that they did often. Like, I think they were into like auto-erotic asphyxiation. But you got it.

I don't think anyone's know. Another note. I feel like any story that you hear of a celebrity doing like auto-erotic asphyxiation, it never ends well. Yeah, especially, yeah.

It's always like, bring someone else into it. It's always like, you kind of, I think people that are really into that. They want to be on the brink of like, oh, I can't breathe or. Which is why it's like, you know, you have all these stories.

But they're fanmaster doing that. Doing auto-erotic asphyxiation. But like, I feel like the minute you bring someone else into that fantasy, it's like, you have to be skeptical of the person you're bringing into that fantasy because they might have ulterior photos meaning like they want control of you and want to watch you go to the brink of something. Absolutely.

So it's like bringing someone else into your fantasy is often maybe not best choice. Well, that's basically what she business wanted. That's truly it. So I think they've done it before and they had enjoyed it and obviously everything I guess was fine in the past.

But she was doing it and she said that she just lost control and she couldn't stop herself. She said that she could hear his heart beating and he just wouldn't die. And then she was like, well, I have to finish it. And she said she did it for a good five minutes until he turned purple and died.

She said she couldn't stop herself and she just had to keep going. But, okay, so now I'm curious like, pre and post met the vet of in, she business. Like something tells me that's just maybe it's obviously not just the math. Like this is something that's probably taken time.

I mean, I mean, we're going to get to her mental health. Obviously, like at a certain point, because clearly that's not just, I mean, drugs can make you do certain things. I don't think drugs can make you do that unless that's already within you. Absolutely.

To some degree. You never like go to Crot Pot does for music drugs. That's the lesson. Yeah.

And I there's a. You never crot that within you on the wall. She said something she went off like she told I mean, to get into the details of what she did post Mornum and everything. But there was one quote that she said during questioning to detectives that really, really stood out to me.

She said, have you ever loved something so much that you just had to kill it? And they're like, no. They're like, like, no. They're like, suck, yeah, I have.

But I just think that's like a really interesting thing. I mean, it's horrifying. Yeah. But I just think that's a really interesting thing like to say.

Right. Not a motive, but just what? Yeah, there's so much like, there's so many dimensions behind that that don't make any sense. Yeah.

I mean, you're also like, are you loving the process or you loving, you know, the victim? Like, I don't know. Like, I feel is also the moment you hear anything. That's what I think is weird too, that it's like, I don't know.

So I imagine he was making like. But maybe if he was being strangled and he couldn't, he was trying to make noise and he couldn't. That's right. I don't know.

I was thinking about that as well. Like, how could the mom not have heard this? But I mean, stranger things have happened. Maybe it was like an old house, very soundproof basement.

I feel like older homes are more soundproof for some reason. Yeah, I mean, definitely. And I can almost see that house now because I know exactly the type where it's like, there's probably, you know, there's the basement where he lives, but it's not sub level. Yeah.

It's like it has a patio door, but then the real first floor has a balcony that I can see it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like a classic woods home. Yeah.

I mean, also, you know, I'm curious like how long they were using together before this happened. I mean, I think they were using together for a while. Right. But like were they up for days or was this like the last Facebook status that she ever put on her on Facebook?

Leave it to me to always leave Facebook. Was in January 2022. And this crime happened in February. Yeah.

Twenty twenty two was basically a month before. And it said went off and told an addict, I'll never stop buying you dope so I could sit back and watch you die. That was the Facebook. Yes.

That's tough. Yeah. What? You know, it was like, we need to check on Shabizness.

I mean, they like a little while. I think that like they probably did, but they were probably like, what do you also do about that? If it's someone that you're like Facebook friends with, but you're like, you kind of know, but you kind of don't want to get on top of it. You're like, I'm on Facebook at like what I do in the morning.

And then it's like, I just want to watch them die. It's like Taylor recent, recent name change to business like status update. And then a month later, you're like, yeah, I mean, we should have all known. No, I know.

No, I know. I mean, it's actually wild. I think we need to get into what she did post-mortem to his body because that's very, very important. So basically she just remembered him with various kitchen knives that she got from the kitchen upstairs.

Okay, so this is my good question. So the mom sleep presumably is late. And then she's like on Met after, you know, who knows what's going on? She naked.

Is she not like, I don't know what the scene is. And she's like just rattling through George's grabbing every short knife and then like rapping a bunch of shirt knives and going back downstairs and nobody hears a thing. I mean, I don't know. It's weird because it's like the mom woke up because she said she heard the door slam.

So I'm like, have you heard the door slam? How didn't you hear any of this? The rattling of knives. Yeah, I don't really have an answer for that.

Also, the way she's lucky because I feel like she definitely would have been a casualty. She bumped into her business at night. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't want to cross her. No, she'll work.

Definitely not. She means she business. She's really made me business. So basically, yeah, and she told the detectives that the best knife was the bread knife due to its serrated edges.

It worked the best is what she said. Just the fact that she was so forthcoming with that immediately is odd to me because you rarely hear that. I mean, it's very rare. But then hearing that face like her last face like, okay, like this is just who this is just your tailor.

This is just who delicious business is simply just hitting in plain sight. Yeah, truly in green Bay. So she, yeah, she drained the blood from the body in the bathroom downstairs. I guess she cut off different body parts and then she drained it over a bucket and then poured like the stuff that was in the bucket down like the drain in the bathroom.

What? She S.A.D.M. I'm saying, yeah, yeah, yeah. She S.A.D.M.

after he was dead for about three hours. She cut his head off and performed a sex act on him while she was cutting the head off and while the head was off. In her words, I was sucking and cutting at the same time. No, for real.

This is what she said. That was a direct quote from her. I was sucking and cutting at the same time. In a way, the mom is very lucky.

She didn't come down earlier because that's like a sight I don't think you would ever recover from. And she cuddled with the body with the head off and I think she put a sex. Was this all in the bathroom? It was in the like, I think there was a bed or a couch or something in the basement.

She drained the body of the bathroom and brought it back. Oh my God. I think that she might have like done this first and then drained it. But yeah, she put a sex toy into the mouth of the head.

Was that still in the head? I don't think it was, but she told this. It's still like, add insult to injury. It's like, that you find your head in a bucket and then it has adult out in it or sex toy.

Yeah. Presumably. I'm presuming it was a joke. That's a level of absurdity beyond.

Even now like how you would process that in any way. No. Even if you saw it in a film, like an absurdist film, it's like simply too much. And you might be wondering, why didn't she hide the body parts better?

Why was this all in plain sight? Well, this is what she said. She said she was getting pissed off while cutting. She said she was getting pissed off while cutting because it was difficult.

And she said she should have taken more drugs because it probably would have helped. I mean, I couldn't ask. It says this calmly in an interrogation room. Just like, oh, like probably would have been good if I had taken more meth.

I would have had more energy. It would have been easier. It was fucking annoying. She was like, I was getting pissed.

And you're like, yeah, I feel like with a bread knife. I mean, it doesn't... I mean, imagine this is taking hours. I would imagine the same thing.

Also on top of the, you know... And also like, what did you think was going to happen? Well, who knows? Who knows?

I mean, we'll get into that later. She goes on to tell detectives that they would have a quote unquote, fun time looking for all his body parts in the basement. She had scattered in various boxes and that she intended on taking all of them with her, but she quote unquote, got lazy. No.

What? We're like, okay, so like, inter-gated. Are they like, exasperated? Are they like, like, I...

The detectives? So absurd that like, it's like, somebody saying this to you. Obviously it's so horrific, it's like, you know, this goes without fucking saying, but it's so absurd that like, how can you not laugh or be like, who are you? I mean, I'm sure that they probably were, like, is this actually coming out of your mouth right now, but it's like detectives are just trained to be like, dead.

Yeah, they're like, so it's... I mean, I'm sure they talk shit later. They're probably like... Absolutely.

I mean, I think it's probably one of those like, once-in-a-career cases. Like, I mean, I'm, we, you and I are both very into true crime and we weren't completely shook by this part. Yeah. There's layers.

In many ways. In many layers. So I think maybe we should get into her mental health a little bit in the trial because that's what I was really interested in. In the trial or prior to?

Well, prior to because they were doing a competency hearing. Yeah, because it's like, is she taking the insanity plea because it certainly sounds like it. I think that they tried, I think her lawyer wanted her to do that and she didn't want to do that, but the psychologist that was assigned to her like, kind of did think that that's what should be, but she was deemed competent somehow, which I don't, I can't really put two and two together of why or how that happened. But in a way, she's speaking so like, clearly about what she's done and then she's like, not showing any remorse for it.

So I feel like if she truly was trying to take like an insanity plea deal, she would be like, it would almost seem so scattered. Like she wouldn't have any recollection of what happened. So it is like very peculiar because it's like, what does she do waiting? I think that she, like what is she aiming for?

Like this is an extreme thing. Like talking this boldly. Like what are you, what are you expecting to happen? Well, this is what this psychologist, her name's Diane Linton.

Okay. And this is what she told the court. She, she told the court that she believes that she business is not competent to stand trial. Okay.

I don't know how she was deemed competent. I think they might have brought someone else in because I don't think that she business liked this woman, but I don't think that she liked anyone. She said, she said that the defendant should business through a chair at her during the first attempted meeting in February and refused to discuss her case. And like, yeah, I don't know.

I don't know why. She said she also refused to speak to Linton again later in February, but eventually, I guess, I don't know, maybe she was forced to meet her. I'm not sure. Maybe her lawyer told her to.

Who is she rooming with in the meantime, like in prison? Like she said, she was in solitary. Okay, because I was going to say like that's a huge. I don't know if she was totally in solitary confinement, but she said that she was like very much like isolated.

Yeah. And after herself, Linton says of her, I mean, not in court in prison, and she said that she had like a lot of conduct reports of like bad behavior. So shocker. In jail that she was nonverbal and that she was like very like self isolated and then she was rubbing her like menstrual blood and feces all over the walls of the cell and they would find her just naked randomly.

What? Yeah. Yeah. And how she was deemed competent.

Yeah, especially that. I mean, there's so many factors to this at top of like, yeah, use it. Exacerbating it is it like, is it just how would she go with her mental illness? You know, there's so many things.

Yeah. She said, despite her knowing the basics about competency judgments and guilty pleas, she still exhibits this lack of insight and judgment about her case, how to act in court, how to help her defense attorney to understand the proceedings, Linton added. And yet they so they did charge her. Yeah.

And she apparently she was saying in these psychological meetings that she had a thing with Jeffrey Dommer and that she saw and Johnny Cash on a train. Like, all of these that she's having these like actual hallucinations and they were trying to put her on like anti-psychotic drugs to help with the hallucinations. Do you think that psychosis or do you think like? I think that she might just have, I mean, she was in jail at this point and was so bad.

Okay. So it's like she's. I think that she just generally. And the method is obviously making it.

Yeah, obviously making it much, much worse. And she also mentioned that the emotional expressions that are on her face don't mention, I'm sorry, don't match what she's talking about. But we saw that in court because when her lawyer was bringing up all of these like horrible things that she did and all of these things were presented to the jury, she was sitting there with a smirk on her face. Her lawyer was trying to like argue against the jury seeing the photo of the head in the bucket because obviously if you're a defense attorney, you don't want a jury to see that.

He was trying to argue to the judge of why that wasn't necessary. And she was sitting there smirking. Her friend went to testify and she was laughing the whole time. Her father, who's also in jail for child SA.

Oh no. So it's like that also makes me think, oh, maybe like something happened to her as a child. Like obviously we don't have evidence of that, but that's something that's like obviously this isn't someone that was given a great start in life. She was tough at Carls and I'm like, she tried to attack.

She tried to attack her lawyer when they during the competency hearing and when she was asked by the psychologist after why she did that, she said that she was hearing like carnival noises in the courtroom. Which is interesting because it's usually like if somebody's trying to take me to sanity plea like, or you know, just debt obviously that as an option, they'll pull sounds like this. But the fact that she's not she is going against that and then this is happening is like very clear sign that like, okay, there's an only option here is like, you're not well and you will die if you go to present like, yeah, I mean, it was just not everybody. It's just the whole thing was wild and it's like when you actually see visuals of what she looks like, she's 25.

I was shocked when I heard she was 25 because she looks 50. Oh, man. Yeah. Well, post, well, post the vote her backshot of present.

Yeah. That's usually it's because of any develop or like search showing itself. So that might be like 25. Yeah, like you're in 20.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's definitely sounds like that. Like she had no emotion.

She was talking about going on and on about Jeffrey Domer when they searched her computer. I mean, you know this. We talked about this. They searched her computer and some of the searches were Jeffrey Domer's butt.

Jeffrey Domer walking into court looking all sexy. Jeff Boyardee and they found a selfie of her holding a photo of him holding a photo of him. This was this was shown to the court a photo of him and she's smiling taking this on a separate camera. She had to like hold up on her phone like they're taking a selfie together.

Jeff, Jeff, walking into court looking all sexy. I mean, I mean, that definitely was a part that absolutely sent me. Can you imagine like going on your friend's computer and seeing the search bar? Jeff Ray Domer walking into court looking at all sexy.

Jeffrey Domer butt is like awesome. Like she's horrifying, but she's also kind of a jokester. This is the thing that I don't I like can't reconcile at one point. She's, dare I say hilarious.

But like not maybe at attention. Like, come on. Yeah. I mean, look at her Jeff Domer walking into court looking all sexy.

Like laughing doesn't mean this. It's like, okay, so yes, it's horrific. Okay, we all got this. But there's something like, there's an awareness there that feels almost, I mean, there is a sense of humor.

But it's even more alarming, because on the other hand you're like, does she not understand that this is, there's like a comedy about all of this, even just shit business. How do you change your name to shit business? I ask her husband, because he did it first. I think you can change her name to anything.

I mean, you reach for the start of it. You just show up at the like court or wherever you go and you're like shit business and they're like, really and you're like, yes. You're like, absolutely. Why wouldn't I?

You're like, absolutely shit business. I don't know if this is available, but like, how does she meet this, her victim? I don't know. Like I was doing a lot of research and I don't really know how they met, but I feel like the vibe of it is that it's a small town and a lot of people probably know each other.

The husband is an, oh yeah, and she's a baby. What? With the husband, I can't believe I forgot. Where's the baby?

I don't know. I mean, because the father is in jail, I mean, good. The husband's in jail and I can find any information about her mother. It has to be like another family member, I'm assuming.

I certainly hope so. Or like with no family member, with like a different family who's no, who has no knowledge of true business. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it's definitely.

That stresses me out so much. It's just a really, really wild case because it's like, it's very rare that females commit murders that are this gruesome. Right. And then having this sort of attitude about it after the fact.

And I feel like a lot of the time when females commit murder, not all the time, but a lot of the time it's like a crime of passion because it's like jealousy or like a lover's scorned or it's like, I don't know, like a nurse who's like, you know, always being all the patients or something like that. But this is sort of, even though it's so gruesome, like I don't really even think it's a crime of passion. I think it's just like psychosis. Right.

And it's not, you don't really hear about things. It's even like a war noce. It's like, yeah. But even that was like a crime of passion.

Right. I mean, absolutely. Because she hated men. She was being mistreated.

And that's what she did. So at least like that, you get a little bit more of some sort of conclusion of like what the motive was. But with her, you get a lot of, she's given a lot of information while getting no information. Right.

I mean, the information almost just, it's so glib and comedic that without maybe intentionally being like, that you're like, what? Like, who are you? What is happening? Also, this poor mom.

Like, not only did you find your son's hat in his, in a bucket. Yeah. But you also have to live with the idea that like you were upstairs when all of this happened, which is so sad. No, I mean, it's like absolutely insane.

And they don't have any real answers about like, no. I mean, I feel like we don't have any real answers about why she really did this besides the fact that she was on meth and she's mentally ill. Right. But it's like, she hasn't said anything like, oh, shad did this.

So that's why I did this. Right. So we're like, I saw him talking to this person or like, you know, any reason at all. Right.

It's just, oh, I did meth and I couldn't stop myself. It's like a sex game on meth gone. I mean, that she, it's, I don't know. It's one of those, I was not going to say God wrong, but something that is horrific.

Because I doubt he imagined this would ever be that one. Especially if they'd probably done this before, which makes me, I mean, this is what a curious about. It's like what their relationship pattern was or like what they talked about. Because it was, she just having a psychotic break, like, which, but the fact that she posted that on Facebook prior.

Yeah. And I wonder if she was talking about him in that, saying like, oh, I'll feed you more drugs so I can watch you die. Yeah. Like I'm wondering if that was about him or if that was about someone else.