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On a Monday no less. In this episode we continue discussing the bake sale LP. The band Sabados most acclaim LP. Loose shares many details regarding the recording and his vibe about the record.
Go ahead you guys start talking about it again. Thank you for listening. Hello everyone welcome to the bake sale special bake sale. This is we're actually recording this on Friday.
Yeah. And it's actually the 30th anniversary turns out. It's the 30th anniversary of the record being released. We had no idea.
To recap. Is that until number four? Adele and Lou began ranking the songs on the bake sale LP. Adele from her favorite to release favorite.
Number one was careful her favorite record. Excuse me her favorite song on bake sale. Number two not a friend. Number three skull.
Number four got it. Number five not too amusing. Number six magnets coil. Number seven licensed to confuse.
Number eight S soup. Number nine rebound. She will continue downwards on this list with number ten very shortly. Meaning now.
Okay. I'm going to clarify again that it's like least favorite. It's just they're all good. It's a fine record.
It's a fine record. Some people apparently want to have it on an island. Like a desert island record. Yeah.
They have nothing else but the bake sale record or maybe like nine other records. And that's all they can listen to for the rest of their life. Oh. Thank you desert island.
Yeah. I mean rather ringing in my ears and birds and the tide. Oh. Yeah.
And you because we'll be trapped there together. Yes. That'd be great. Let's do it.
Mm hmm. I know that would be wild. That's my desert island. Literally.
Okay. So number ten for me and I was like giggling because last week when you gave me your list and you were coming up from bottom to top. Yep. I started with the bottom.
I started with the ass. I did. I started on the ass and the record lose dirt to diamonds. Not the most healthy way to go about it.
Shocking. Back to front. No. You're doing it the right way.
Going front to back. And I was giggling because I believe that's also your number ten. So our ten I think is the same. This is where our list are lists intersect.
Yeah. They touch. They have sex. Boom.
I played that song for episode number two. Like bake sale two. I think bake sale two. Okay.
I think we ended up talking about Carlos Santana. I know we got a little bake sale three but yeah we got a little distracted. That's what happens you know with his magic. So yeah together alone.
And I like that song. I mean it's again it's like it's not bad. I feel bad putting it all the way down at ten but oh I know what I wanted to say about this song. I had a thought about this song and I wrote it in my little notebook.
To me I think what I felt about together alone is it sounds like a Lou Barlow solo song. It sounds like something that would maybe be like on when you're really early kind of experimental. Almost like before you even had a girlfriend I know you wrote this after you had a girlfriend but it feels very like really. Right after I've been dumped already.
Yeah. I know. Like to me it feels like Lou Barlow projecting into the future about a future breakup. You know like an imaginary relationship an imaginary drama that you had like in high school and you wrote the song.
If only I could write about imaginary dramas. You did. You wrote that fantastic song about like your imaginary future woman when you were younger right? What's that great song?
Oh I believe in fate. Yes. Okay moving on that's on the weed forest in tape. Oh we'll see.
This is you know. Yeah it sounds like a solo. I played all the time to this day. I love playing it solo.
Great yeah. There you go. Do you want to hear my number eleven? Yes I want you to keep going.
Give up. Okay. And you know. It's kind of a guy song.
Kind of a dude tune. It's true. Number 12 for me is a drama mean. It says drama mine.
Yeah you know it's a little Jason's witty way. I like that drama mine. That song is so brilliant. I mean if I could do.
I really like that. I'll talk more about this but when Jason sort of unveiled those songs because we let him he was alone in the studio with Tara Jane O'Neill and our engineer Tim O'Hare and they all kind of hatched those tunes together like Jason's the four songs that he did with Tara was it for. Let's see. It's so good.
It's beautiful. That song is like it's I mean. I'm guessing that must be up on your top then. Okay so.
Okay so that was my I'll leave my last three. You tell me your next. Sure. Sure.
Yeah. Yeah. All right so where did I stop? So then you would have stopped at.
So you would have. You would have the dumbest thing. Try not to do that. So what are your top sixes like so number six I guess for you.
My seven was careful ascending. Careful which is amazing. Yes that's right. That's my number one.
That was your number one and it's it's really good. It's actually a band. No I'm thinking do I want to move. The band recording and it was it was really good and I think actually Bob they sort of made a mistake on that when he just started hitting the kick drum during a verse or something but it worked.
It was like this mistake that totally worked and added to the dynamics of the song. I also just really like that title and I like the drama mind title and I like not to amuse it title number six and my ascending order. Yeah towards number one. Yes.
The diamond of a exhale. Okay. License to confuse. So see you like yeah.
It's like a seven. License to confuse with seven. That song actually I mean I'm still like oh that's pretty good. It holds up.
It's cool. It's short. It really reflects. I was listening to so much like 60s garage rock at that time and then also like it did that was when John Davis and as I said last time so must move on number five rebound.
That also sounds good because the guitar sounds so good in it. It's a fun song. It's a really short song. I went over this already.
I tried to expand it at one point. I can I ask about rebound for a second. I love the video for rebound. Oh you do?
Yeah. I think that video is so fun. It's like talk about playful. Yeah it was all recorded.
We recorded we captured it on tour and some of it is using an eight millimeter. It's really it's got a lot of it. It just feels like that's a really fun that's a fun fun video. I have a little concept.
A lot of it is cut from our just our tour footage. Some really sweet like. Those are from the tour where you guys were recording this like leading up to. No.
No I think it was just shortly. That actually was made from tour footage from from the bake sale tour. Oh because of the video came out later because we were actually we were putting out singles and they were coming out and we had videos on empty. First we did skull which we did in our hometown of Westfield.
My hometown excuse me. I was like speak for yourself sir. My hometown. You're hometown.
Jason from Northampton Bob from Peabody Massachusetts. And Eric Gaffney from. Eric Gaffney from Northampton Massachusetts as well. Born in Cambridge.
Cambridge Boston area. Like Jason too. Actually you know what Jason Eric John Davis all born in Boston in their first homes were in Cambridge. Okay so.
I just want to say I like that video too. Well thank you. You're welcome. Skull is pretty cute too.
A little video. Yeah I had those were concept book I thought for the skull video I wanted to be carrying an app through the entire video. Yeah I always feel like you're suffering in your old videos. You know it's like.
I think it's hilarious. And then. I always like to drive that home. And then in case in point in the rebound video I wanted to have a sequence where I was being beaten up by young children.
My kids. I don't remember that. I remember the part you can't do with a different kinetic video. There's a lot of jump cuts a lot of quick stuff.
What kids were doing that to you. It was like in a park in Chapel Hill I think. North Carolina. I was like can you guys just know these kids?
Yeah I was like come on I think they were fans or maybe they were just a bit younger. Okay so they were fans so they were younger. Okay. They were like teenagers.
Okay. You guys beat me up. If you were a kid and you fake beat up blue in the video. Yeah.
They didn't really lean into it. I told them like come on bring it on. Hurry. Hurry.
But yeah so they kind of and then it ends with my glasses coming off my face. Anyway so thank you. I'm glad you liked that video because you're not a fan of all of my videos and we can get to that later. We'll get to that later.
So the rebound. Yeah rebound. Yeah rebound was your. Okay.
Number five. Five is your number four leading up to my top three drum I mean. Okay. And for all the reasons that I've already described.
Yeah. I just really. So that one. That one.
I really. Yeah. So hearing that song for the first time was among the most. I don't know.
I really it was one of the best experiences in my life I would say. Where were you when you heard it? We were sitting in the studio where which studio for Apache studios Cambridge, Massachusetts. It was during the first sessions for the big sale record which were probably in the fall or early winter of 1993.
We had a follow-up session in January of 1994 but this was from the original sessions when we did rebound and licensed to confuse and most of the record was done. And this is with Tim. With Tim O'Hare. Tim O'Hare.
So yeah so for his drum I mean so now. Okay. So I'm in my 13. That's confusing for people.
My 13 is Mr. Man. Hey. Yesterday.
You asked me to play the song. I did. Because I like this song but it it oh okay I had some thoughts about Mr. Man before you grace us with it.
You're gonna play it. I'll play it. Okay. Can I say this about it?
I I got lower on it because I don't want to use the word lazy. Okay. And the lyrics to me feel so you that it's like it's not much of a stretch. Like the lyrics and stuff.
Like I feel like I know exactly what you're thinking and what you're talking about. How would you know? I don't know. Tell me what it's about.
I'll tell you how far I play it. How about that? I mean it's not. Maybe it's a mystery.
Oh shit. What? I love that mess up. It sounded really good.
You should incorporate that one into your solo shows maybe. I do. People request it. I'll play it.
I do. I want to know. I want to know. If you can tell me.
Well it's for the guy who it's kind of it's a little cringe. Because it's directed towards the guy that my first girlfriend hooked up with when she broke up with me and triggered all the songs you know Soul and Fire. Yeah it's for him. Who was my lawyer?
Oh. Who was negotiating my settlement with Dinosaur Jr. for some royalties that I hadn't been paid. And I went on a really long sebodour like a month long sebodour like this was a hardcore sebodour one full month.
Eric, Jason and I and a minivan playing like really it was not a successful tour. It was a hard tour. And when I got about a week before I got back home I realized that my girlfriend was with someone else and when I got home I found out they were actually engaged. So that's my song for him.
He was 36 at the time which seemed super old. And we were like 23. 24. So I wrote that song.
It's a very I don't know it feels like it's kind of it's one of my meaner songs. Aggressive. It's an aggressive song. It's a little sexist I would say.
I don't know maybe not sexist but it's like it's a bit of an old school. She's mine kind of song. You know it's weird. Okay.
What do you think? Are you probably wondering why I thought it was like yeah what do I didn't want to say lazy in that like but I think I'm not going to retract that in a sense that like it probably wasn't too difficult for you to obviously articulate these things. You know what I mean? You had very strong feelings.
It's like I think it's one of my I mean those words came to me quick. No they did. I'm not lazy isn't the right word. I just mean it seemed easy.
I thought it was a bit of an inspired to me. I always thought that was a bit good to edit this. No. I'm not editing this.
I think what it was is and I'll say this as I was wrong I thought it was you talking about yourself. No. Yeah. I'm.
Like myself and kind of like being hard on yourself. Like as well. As good as because I often did I often was the target of my own songs it's a fair guess but not that. That's in its fully wow you really pointed like sir this is for you book you yeah this one I'd already.
That actually makes me have a lot more respect for this. I know man. It's like I'm like a nasty breakup song is it's like a really old school good song. Would you even write that song today.
No because it's kind of mean. It's kind of a mean song. It's that kind of a mean manly song is kind of a swagger e tune it is. It's not really, but it was who I was.
That was absolutely, I was an aggressive person back then. I was a real mix of like passive, can you imagine? Gen X kid? Sensitive asshole.
Yeah, sensitive asshole, like a hardcore guy. I mean, I was led into music through aggressive. But who would still cry on TV, you know? Crying on TV.
Everyone always mentions that that you cried on TV. I don't want to talk about that. I'll talk about that. I did you.
Hey, we'll talk about that when we talk about the harmony. I still never seen that. But maybe when we do the harmacy episodes, we can actually revisit that. Tackled up.
Okay. And I can crawl into a hole while you watch it. Cool. So, Mr.
Eman, I thought was you talking about yourself. And this was like, my interpretation was, the reason why to me it seemed like, maybe not articulating right, that it was easy for you to write it or something is, it seemed like it was like well-tread territory where you're like, oh, here I am again. Like, I thought it was kind of like a Catholic guilt thing about you discovering your own sexuality. And like, maybe, I don't know, masturbating and feeling guilty and like discovering porn.
And just sort of like, to me it had this sort of like, guilty aspect to it too. Can I say that when bake sale came around, I think I worked out my last bits of that on the bubble and scrape record. There's a song called homemade, which is about me jerking off the porn. Getting high and jerking off the porn.
That was one of the last sort of vestiges of my Catholic guilt. I think by the really great thing about the bake sale period was that I really felt free. You know, it was like I had this thing going with John Davis, full-complosion, the Sabot of Thing, we were all on the same page, so to speak, you know, Jason, Bob Faye, and I. And it was just a really productive time and it was really positive.
And it seemed to be like everybody was kind of in the same spot. I wonder what the listeners think of Mr. Eman, that's interesting. Well, you said that somebody thought it was the first.
Wow, well, thank you for discussing that in detail. Why did I play it? And you played it. So what did you think of that with my interpretation of it?
That's fair. I would do something like that. I would self-direct it that way, but that's not what happened. That was very...
I like knowing the truth. I'm kind of the way I'm sitting right now. You're almost swaggering through this. I got the mystery man swagger.
I'm like, some guy like Stolen the Girlfriend, so I wrote a song about him. Very pointed. Stolen. So, yes, stolen.
No one can be stolen, guys. No, she's not stolen. I think that's one thing about it, she just wanted, I mean, like that's what I think of now, like, come on. She left on her own volition.
You're trying to like paint it out to be this child like, no, she was grown ass woman. Made a decision. She wanted to hook up with a lawyer and she didn't want to be with a deadbeat musician. Myself at that point.
I wasn't really producing much. Right, yeah. Well, it's a youthful kind of rage and confusion about that. Yeah, it's like, they stole them.
It's like, yeah. I have no patience for that anymore. But number 14 I have is Temptation Tight. Okay.
So because for me, I was listening to that song and I like the song, but I feel like it's a shoegaze song and it belongs on like a shoegaze record. Well, you said that, it doesn't sound like it belongs on the record, but all the previous and maybe even the Sabot of Records after this where many of the songs don't sound like they'd be on the same record. And so you're, but I'm like a, but I'm a new Sabot of listener. So it's like, that would just be my honest feeling.
Absolutely. That would be like 85% of the people that hear it. That would be, people don't want, I mean, I've learned the hard way, but also I stuck by what I wanted, which was I've always wanted records to be, have a lot of different elements all converging. You said that to me one time, a Sabot of record is like a mix tape.
It's like a mix tape. And so to that end, it fits right in. That's what it is. But really actually Jason and I songs fit so well on that record.
I think that's why it stuck out to me. Because that is sort of my only old Sabot of record I've ever really listened to front to back, you know? Wait till you hear Sabot of 300 buns. It is really cohesive, you know what I mean?
And then that song comes on and I'm like, oh, why is that there? This is like, Number 15 for you is dreams. That's right. Yeah.
That was the conclusion I came to, that dreams is, it's the least, the least rad song on the record. It's not my favorite. It's not the worst. It's not my favorite.
Okay. You haven't touched yours. You gotta do yours. Oh no, we can't terminate it.
We can't, this is still happening. Oh, there be more. No, no. Wait, okay.
No, but we're gonna finish lose less. Thank you very much for listening to not so many music Monday. Oh God. We just can't show.
We just can't show. Well, playing of the raw impressions I'd catch. Okay. Move along.
All right. Here we are. So I'm, I'm my top three. Here we go.
This is the end of the episode. Top three. Yes. Okay.
Lose top three. This is it. And then you don't have to rush it because we've just now whatever. I want to hear your total three.
My top three. So three. Number three. Magnets coil.
Okay. That sounds good. See the point of my, this little top 15 of mine, my ascending top 15, is that these are songs that I can listen to and go like that is, that's a good recording. That's a good recording.
That brings me to the special place when like I'm listening to something good, but is this like an atmospheric recording? Is this creating a space? It's like good songs, like a recording of a good song, you enter the space. And it's rare for me to be allowed or allow myself or to really enter a space of my own song.
The recording of it, I can certainly, I'm so, like, that's the whole thing about this record is like, I still play almost all of these songs. I'm acting, I still engage with them actively. I'm really proud of these songs. Yes.
When I'm criticizing is the textures of the recording or just, you know, regrets about that, that kind of thing. And that gets cool. It sounds like perfectly just straight up bob phase drumming is like great. And it's, we were so excited when we were doing this record.
We did it quickly. We had actually practiced these songs. Jason had, we had practiced them at a loft in Charlestown, Boston, where John Maloney lived, interestingly. I met John Maloney then.
He was actually, he lived there. At one point we were practicing the songs for our bake sale sessions, upcoming sessions. And I saw him like, he went like this and kind of gave me a thumbs up. I'm like, wow, the cool guy at the loft gave me a thumbs up.
Amazing. And then realized years later, he's like, oh yeah, I love that record. And that, which comes kind of shift to find that out. That Maloney was there.
But we were practicing in the loft because anyway, so, I want to pop these ex girlfriends out there. So number two got it. That's my number four. It's such a good song.
See, this is the thing. Got it. And number one, not too amused for sure. Like that song.
See, that's really what it is. It's like not too amused. Got it. Actually, our top five is not that dissimilar.
I mean, it's hard to see. Okay. So then there's the. Yeah.
I'll put it up there. Yeah. Yeah. So wait, what's your number one?
Not too much. Okay. I guess like those. What happened when he brought that song in, were you like?
Well, we heard all three of these songs. We heard not to me who's got it and dream of me, from my mind, all together. Like here's what Jason did in his time in the studio alone with Tara and Tim. Oh, okay.
This is what he did. It's done. I don't even think there's bass on some of those songs. I mean, the guitar sound is so full.
That's the other thing. It's like we, there's a lot of low tunings on this. The whole record is record. All of my songs are recorded at D sharp.
And for you, guitarists and people's up there. That's like a half step down. So it's lower. It's D sharp.
And I, all my songs were in D sharp. Interestingly, at the same time, full-completion songs were also at D sharp. John and I discovered. So thinking about, maybe I should just get back to D sharp.
It seems to be a good spot. Check it out. I don't know why I got so attenuated over the years. Why I felt the need to sing.
I do know why. As we played live shows, I found that singing songs that low was not effective live. So I had to pitch everything up in order to get my voice above the band and to be heard in a live environment. So that's what I had to do.
That's what you had to do because it wasn't like you didn't have any monitors. You didn't have your own sound engineers. You were generally, you were still just playing this punk rock club circuit where, you know, the sound was not the best. The sound could be challenging.
Sometimes it was good. Sometimes it wasn't. So I had to, I had, I adjusted where the song set the pitch of the songs so I could then project more and make sure that my voice could drive the music when we played it. Otherwise I couldn't hear it myself.
Well, because bands are loud. Drums are loud. So loud. Amplifiers are loud.
So that's it. So, but you still didn't say what you told me what you thought about when you heard the song. Like, did you. I thought that Jason was a fucking genius.
That's what I thought. I was like, oh my God. Like he's, I mean, because I knew it. I was like, Jason was so talented when we met him as a kid.
So it was kind of a butterfly moment for him, right? When he came out of his, like, yeah, like, yeah, Gaffney quit the band. So he kind of took this sort of psychic weight away away with him. Because we were dark.
It was just much darker environment. And Eric was really like the, he was the, the punk rock. He was the aggressive foil to my sort of pop tendencies. And Jason was drifting somewhere out somewhere in between.
And for instance, if you were to open the bake sale, bake sale cover, like we all, for the cover of this record, we all picked one picture for the record cover because I was like, it should be one of these gatefold CDs. Like these new, I really love these. This kind of packaging, I think it makes a lot of sense. So I chose like a creepy, creepy family photograph.
Jason, which then the story is I chose a creepy family photograph and I chose the bake sale cover of me reaching into the toilet as a baby for the, for the cover of the skull single. But when sub pops all this picture, they said, Lou, this naked, naked baby reaching into the toilet must be the cover. And I was like, fair enough. So the creepy family photograph became the cover of skull.
The baby became the cover of the bake sale record. Okay. On the back cover is Bob Faye. And this is really cute.
This is an old picture of him. He's on the far left and he's got a, he's got a red ribbon on. So this is like his third, was that third place? Yes.
So he has a third place ribbon and he shows this picture because this, this record did feel like we were being awarded somehow. We were really happy with this record. You know, so I think, and we call it bake sale because we were just getting delightfully stoned and appreciating our own work. It's cute that the pictures are both are like old.
Yeah. So yeah, he shows it. But Jason shows for his picture and it's in the inside of this. The secret part.
It's from a national geographic and it looks like it's an Indian man. Balancing on a type of type rope. And the reason that he chose this picture was this is how he felt in the band that he was always balancing on a tight rope in the band. And that's where he felt like he was.
And he certainly, that was certainly the case with Eric in the band because Eric was always whispering in his ear and I was talking to, he was really like, we were triangulating. Eric and I did not really speak. Jason was really stuck in the middle. So this really demonstrates that.
And I, I, anyway, so I think for me it was like, it was like a lot of things. It was like, it was the right time we caught Jason at the right moment. He was like, it was his sweet side. These songs are so Jason.
Like they just really, they get his. No one else could have wrote those. They get his side eye. They get his side eye.
They get his, it really captures all of that and it has, I was just dumbstruck about how full the songs were and how simple they were. And that Tara Jane had played drums on them. So like so simply and beautifully. I was just totally blown away.
So this record really is, as far as I'm concerned, like really, it really belongs to Jason. I really, his songs are the most worldly, the most like, they're the most timeless, I would say. I think my songs are really good and I love playing my songs. But these are not the definitive versions.
I love to live in these songs when I play them. I don't love to listen to them as I recorded them in 1993. Oh, and early 1994. But so that's it.
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