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With a lackluster cover of Flipper's song, Life. Life is the only thing worth living for. Why is it lackluster? Good try, Lou.
Okay. Because he said so. Oh. Mini Music Monday guy said so, because he knows he's heard it.
Okay. All righty. I was really, I just got a real B in my bonnet to do a flipper cover, because I've been talking about him off and on throughout the week, correct? Correct.
Now, what do you understand Flipper to be? I don't know. What do you mean, like what kind of music? They're a band.
Yes. They're a band. I'm quizzing. Oh, I'm quizzing you.
Oh, I'm failing, miserably. I saw the fear in your eye when I said that. I know I'm really, I'm really bad at quizzes. Okay.
Well, I'm an old guy. I'm 59 years old and Flipper were a formative influence on me. Flipper were a band from San Francisco. They formed in 1979.
Wow. That was two. You were two. And I was like 12.
And I think I heard him for the first time when I was 13 or so. I heard a wonderful song called Ha, ha, ha. He, he, ho, ho, ho, a single heard it on the radio. I bought it.
Fantastic. Total deconstruction of music. So exciting. So catchy.
And there were a huge influence on me. I hadn't thought about him in a long time, but recently Bruce Calderwood, his real name, he died. He was a lead singer for the band starting in 1979. He went under the name Bruce Looze at first.
Okay. And then he changed his, his, his punk rock name to Bruce Looze later on. But he passed away recently, but he's not the first member of Flipper to pass away. Oh, okay.
The first was Will Shatter. Is that also his like stage name? Yeah, they kind of had punk rock stage names. It's a cool name.
Will Shatter. I know. And he was really cool. I think he was kind of like the musical, the, I think he wrote a lot of the songs for the band.
Okay. In my impression. There's really not a lot of information about Flipper. And there are no documentaries about Flipper.
Really? Yeah. Oh, so you're wrong. I'm totally wrong.
There are people who are very passionate about Flipper like myself. I could say Kurt Cobain also very, almost evangelical about the band and you know, acknowledged the profound influence the band had. And they're referred to as a hardcore band, hardcore punk rock, but they're not. So amazing.
Okay. Anyway, before, yo ha manaka notes. Okay. I've got a video.
Okay. Okay. Okay. Doing it.
Okay. I'm ready. I'm doing it. Got it.
Got it. It's ups and downs. All right. Do I stop recording?
You know? Yeah. Yeah. That was me.
Doing that song. Doing that song. I'm not 100% sure that Bruce lose sang it because he and Will Shatter would switch off on vocals and bass. Oh, okay.
Will sang some of the songs. Bruce sang some of the songs. I could have done some more homework and really got into it, but I had to make my cover. Will Shatter sang the song.
Really? Will sang it. There's a really good, really, you know, and pre-lint. Do.
People really, I did find a list of every show they played, which is pretty cool. Wow. That sounds fun. That was fun.
And uh, but anyway, so I saw them play. Where did you see them play? I saw them play at the great, the Guiding Star Grange here in Greenfield. Wow.
That, that actually just put a little tingle in my arms. My goodness. The tunnel. The tunnel that we now live in.
Yeah. Adele. Yes. It was very important for me as a young man because all the good shows were here.
You came up from Westfield. I drive up here a long way. Can you imagine? That's a, that's a haul.
It's a haul. It was a long time. It was like at least 45 minutes to an hour to get here. Sure.
Yeah. I went to many shows at the Guiding Star Grange. Wow. I'm thinking that maybe the flipper show was one of the last shows I saw at the Guiding Star Grange because it was in 1983, November 19th, 1983.
How old were you then? I was 17. Okay. It was my senior year of high school.
Wow. Did you come up with anyone for the show? I have no fucking idea. You don't know how you got here?
Probably Scott Helen maybe. Scott should know. Scott would know. I don't know.
Like did he drive you? He didn't drive me. He wasn't driving yet. I'm, was driving.
I think I had just started driving. Um, yeah. That was, that was my year when I was becoming free. I was, it was my senior in high school.
I was also my tastes and music were changing pretty drastically at that point. But flipper, they, they, they were above style really. The fact that they're kind of like pigeonholed as a hardcore band is unfortunate because what, because you've, you had never heard them before and I played them for you the other day and you're like, oh, this is cool, which is like kind of shocked me because they're such a guy band. I mean, like we're, there's like, you know, punk rock and hardcore in the history of it.
It's, it's a real, it's very male and people get real opinionated about it. I have to say in retrospect, I think that they were, they were the beginning for me of like music kind of being exploded into bits because the guitar player didn't really play standard chords. He did, but he just mangled them to this degree that it created this huge wash, but it was all pinned down with incredible music. Oh, it's zooming in.
Oh, it's got five. How many kind of notes? Yeah, they would play this over. Even it's like, oh, really?
Oh, wait, dark the video. You again, are we good? Okay. Did you make that shirt?
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Get started at acast.com slash advertise. They were late to the show. They were late. The show started at six.
This was on a Saturday. They were like weekend matinees, basically. But they didn't show up until really late. But it was incredible because they were in their truck.
I think the whole tour was themed on their truck. So they rolled up and it's like absolutely this shitty, old, spray painted truck. And they rolled out and they looked like dirtbags like real, real dirtbags, real punk rock guy dirtbags. They really looked like they had nothing to lose.
Like they looked like they were just rolling. They were the roughest band I had ever seen, just looking band I had ever seen. And I'd seen a lot of hardcore bands up into that point. I saw Husker do.
Say, had you already seen Husker? Already seen Husker do they just look tired. They also, I mean, to say that they had nothing to lose wasn't really the case. They looked like they were just kind of losing for lack of a better description.
They just looked bummed. Husker do they look tired. These guys just looked kind of fucked up. And when they played, but they set up, we were waiting, they played.
And the thing is that the drummer of that band is so incredibly powerful. And he always would play kind of mid tempo. They were not a hardcore band like, it was just like, boom, boom, boom, boom, can he would just lay into it in the whole place? Like, as you know, the Guiding Star Grange, it's a big.
We've been there for our kids like for end of the year performing and talent shows. But the drum started playing and then just the big heavy bass line started to emerge. And they would just, and then the guitar with it's kind of gnarled, this absolutely gnarled post punk post everything chaos. Just filled that room.
I bet. And it was like, because that was a great thing about the dynamic of the band. They had a very low bass that underpinned it, you know, and then they would have just this crazy guitar. So there was a lot of space within the music, which you noticed when I played it for you, which I thought was so cool and really was making me just, I had that little thing welling up inside me like, I got it.
I got to go off about how great Flipper are and how nobody else understands them and how people don't know. I can feel that little, that fervor of fandom. The fiery fervor of fandom rising in me. And I don't always get that.
I thought those lyrics were rather touching. They're so touching. I mean, they're, yeah. Thank you for listening to.
I'm not done. This episode of I mean music, I wanted to know Monday, the musical subsidiary of the wrong Pressions podcast. Cityary. Can I ask you a question?
Yes. Since you don't really know how you got there. Maybe you don't remember this either, but so you were already there at the Grange and you're saying they were late. So was it like a situation then where they just like rolled in and you just watched them like put all their shit on the stage, disumbled the drum set and then just go hi and then start playing like, yeah.
And everyone's just kind of milling around like looking at them. Was there a lot of people there? Do you remember? I don't remember.
I don't remember. I don't think it was like, packed. It's hard to tell though. Those shows were so exciting to me.
They could have been absolutely full or they could have been empty. I would never have noticed and I didn't care. You know, I didn't care. You know, I was absolutely experienced.
I was like, flipper are here. I mean, it was just flipper are here. So I want to know. So you saw the whole tour schedule.
Where did they come from the night before then? I don't know. I didn't look at the schedule. That's what maybe would tell you where they were late, you know?
No, they were late because they were flipper and they didn't give a fuck. That was the thing. I still would like to know where they played the night before. They played at CBGBs in New York City the night before and then they went back.
They played Boston. They came from Pennsylvania. They came from the Bowery. I bet they had the shortest drive ever and they just didn't show up.
I mean, the bass player will shatter the guy. He kind of looked like the coolest guy to me. They all kind of look good. Yeah.
And it would have been a real like. I was like, oh, they're kind of sexy. What's going on? But Will Shatter died in 1987 of a drug overdose.
So there was a super druggie vibe to them anyway. I mean, I don't know the specifics, but they looked like they were not straight edge. Let's put it down. They were straight edge hardcore.
No. And they weren't even really hardcore. I don't understand that. They were not hardcore.
Well, they played with pump bands and they also, they didn't, there was no professionalism about them. There was no, they could, they could, they could play one song for a half an hour and that would be a flipper show. And they were, and there was a beautiful quote about them because I was reading about them that someone said, when flipper were terrible, they were great. And when they were great, they were great.
Which I'm like, because I don't know if it was a good show that we saw, but all you needed to hear was the sound of the band because the sound itself was just this purifying, they sound. And I think what I had really forgotten about them or what I really wanted to say is how powerful they were. And because they were so powerful, they could do anything. They were kind of like, is if you were watching, let's say you were watching a heavy hard rock band.
And then in the middle of the song, they all lose their minds, but they just keep playing. And that's what it was like. It was like, it was like everything being torn apart before your eyes, but the beautiful, the heartbeat and just the sledgy four note bass lines that just completely kept it all grounded. They were so odd.
Sometimes I sort of struggled to explain why things were so difficult for Sabote. Like why Sabote was always battling something. What made the early years of Sabote was so chaotic and made the band. And when you said, I was playing flipper for you and you said, I was like, yeah, they were big influence on Sabote.
And she said, and Adele said, it sounds like Sabote. And I'm like, oh my god, we were. We did flipper covers all the time. Eric Gaffney.
So why would you think that that didn't make you successful? Well, the thing is like flipper, they just dissolved. I mean, they had a very long and very tortured career. Nothing happened.
I mean, they were signed briefly by Rick Rubin, who was a huge fan. Rick Rubin was a huge fan. Rick Rubin had a band called Hose, who sounded a lot like flipper. Interestingly.
So they did make, they did have opportunities. They did, but they just shot themselves in the foot continuously. I see what you're saying. Okay.
And Sabote did. That's what we did. We were just truly. The kings of shooting yourselves in your own feet.
Sabote. We wanted to confuse people. We wanted to, you know, but we were, it was a lot of that. I mean, we were so, that was my influence.
When I saw a band like flipper do that, that was freedom. I'm like, this is a band that's free. This is like, this is artistically free. This is like, musically untethered by tradition.
And when I saw that happening, I was like, that's what I want. I want to be unpredictable. I want to make, I want those accidental moments become beauty because that's really what was them. It's like, you just never knew, like, they hit moments that were like, and gel it.
I mean, just like, oh, that because, and who knows how they even got there? You know, it was not, it was not premeditated. It was not, and I just, I never forgot that sense of how when something is not premeditated, when you do have, when you do just allow all of this freedom, the beautiful things, totally unpredictable, beautiful, beautiful things can happen. And I never, I never quite shed that, you know, and it's been a, in some ways that's been, that's, that's made my, my path a little rockier than it would have been had I just kind of focused on one thing and made things easy, you know, but I loved, I loved, you know, I loved people who were unpredictable, like Eric Fney and, and even Jason and myself, we were all unpredictable day to day, how we would react when we got on stage and we all we often felt like it was, we needed to be honest.
And if honest meant not playing a guitar or playing it entirely differently or improvising a whole set, then that's what we would do. So thanks Flipper. I love your shirt. You made it so cute.
Well, that was the thing that everybody made their own. I know that there's probably, there's Flipper T-shirts available there in town, but back in, back in 82, you know, when you, when I really discovered them, you, you, you had no choice but to take a sharpie and draw it on your jeans. Yeah. You know, Kurt Cobain famously did that for, I believe the Saturday Night Live appearance, one of the, one of the first appearances of Nirvana, he was, he was, uh, he was representing for Flipper.
Wearing a homemade Flipper T-shirt. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool.
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