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Welcome to the best hang podcast. We got Max, we got Shane and I and Mike. Listeners, we are coming to you in a bit of chaos. I'm not gonna lie.
We were supposed to start this a half hour ago. I have a sick kid home literally two minutes before I was supposed to jump on the Zoom. She exploded with Projectile Vomit. It was chaos around the house.
Danica had the baby. These guys were like waiting. Normally this wouldn't be an issue. We would just say, hey, let's push the pot.
It's not a big deal. But Shane, we got a million things going on at the sketch show. So there's meetings happening there. There's times we gotta hit.
More importantly, Max is like, I got a heart out at two. We all know Max is a busy guy. Our kels, a lot of things going on and new. Single coming out.
So what you're getting today, this is my way of telling you. This is our way of apologizing. You're probably only getting a half hour podcast today because we've all been sort of mired in chaos. Leading up to the show.
Best half hour of your life though. That's even more intriguing. Yeah, but it's exciting. It could be cool.
But I can't tell you about it. So it's just about you. It's not even about the band. It's just your own.
Well, Nick is involved a little bit. And maybe somebody else. Wow. A couple of other people.
I'm always up to stuff. I mean, wow, you never stop moving. You're like, you know how sharks don't stop. They sleep as they freefall through the ocean.
You're like a shark that never stops moving. I do nap a lot though and sleep a lot. That is true. Yeah.
But imagine you're dreaming about the next big thing you're going to do. Yeah, it's like how sharks, even when they sleep, they're still moving. So you're coming up with probably some of your best ideas in your sleep. I'd like to think so.
So what's been going on, guys? You know, this is like I said, it's going to be a short pod. So let's get to it. Actually, Max, I wanted to mention I was hanging out the other night with Dan Hamilton, who we all know is a good friend of all three of us.
And he was with your old roommate on Arkel Street, Duchy, Chris Dickinson. So what was fascinating about this hang is I was with Dan. I was with Chris. And then Jake Kelly and Mike D'Angelo from Arkel's obviously showed up.
Here's the thing. Max, every time you've hung out with sort of us, you know, our group has this longer shared history. So you always are like have to listen to our stories. Like, oh, me, Shane, Pete, or Greg, and Dan, and me, or Greg, and Shane, high school, all this stuff.
You sort of are like learning about our shared history. For the first time, me and Dan were in the minority as far as shared history. So I listened to multiple stories from Chris, Jake Kelly, and Mike D about that house on Arkel. What do they say?
I don't remember any of it. Lots of really funny stories. Specifically, you're talking about this prank war, I guess you guys got in? Yeah.
Where it was like it kept escalating and escalating to the point where Jake Kelly, you guys moved his car somewhere where he couldn't see. He came home with his girlfriend at the time, and you'd thrown all his stuff from his car on the lawn. And basically he was like, where's my car? And he was like, oh, I guess it's stolen.
And he's like, I've got to drive to London tonight. And he was having hyper, he was like, you know, it was really affecting him. And then he was about to call the police. And then I guess you guys all explode laughing and tumble all over the place.
And Mike D went too far. And then Jay was like, I was so upset that I started immediately plotting my revenge. But I realized, like he said, he was starting to plot like Chris Dickens, he was gonna have him kidnapped. He was like, I've gone too far.
So he basically had to bring the pranks to an end. But that way it was a funny story. What do you remember about the prank wars? I just remember, and I can't tell, I can't remember who it was, but somebody ended up hanging out in the shower for like seven hours waiting for somebody to go to bed.
I think they wanted to scare Dave. And then Dave just like, or maybe they wanna scare Chris. And they're like, okay, when Chris goes to brush his teeth, I'll be in the shower and I'm gonna scare the hell out of him. And then I think Chris like didn't even brush his teeth that night or something.
This is, you have a good memory. So what I learned was Jay Kelly was the guy hiding in the shower for eight hours. Dave had to send Chris in. It actually still scared the shit out of Chris.
And in retaliation, that was the car theft. Was Chris doing that because of the eight hours in the shower. And they had lots of really funny Mac stories. You haven't changed any two decades.
What was the bad story? So, yeah, just classic stuff. They told the hat one with your conductor hat that you're obsessed with. And everybody was, everyone basically admitted that they didn't understand what you were doing fashion-wise.
We don't wanna say anything. Actually, speaking of hats, I went to the Blue Jays game yesterday and today at the game, there's gonna be a hat giveaway, a floppy hat giveaway. And I brought those back into popular fashion last summer. Do you remember last summer I was wearing floppy hats a lot?
And they were kind of in, again? Do you remember that chain? You brought that back. I didn't know that.
Oh, so handily. But I guess I have a history of wearing interesting floppy hats because book club Matty was at the game. And he was said, are you responsible for the Jay's floppy hat giveaway? And I thought he was referencing my style last summer.
And I'm like, no, he goes, legit, the first thing I remember about you, this is when we were 10 years old when we first met, was you were a floppy hat to the first practice. And I thought this was you giving yourself special treatment for being the coach of son, because my dad was a coach of mine. So I was wearing stupid hats. Or do you consider yourself to be a fashionable guy, Max?
Good question. Yes and no. Because I take chances and I'm memorable, but, and I think that's part of being a fashionable person. But then I don't have like the subtle, just everything is quietly working together behind a fashion sense that like a Mike D or Sean Dawson would have.
Who are also very fashionable guys? I mean, the stuff you wear on stage, is that even part of your fashion vibe? Or you just consider that a completely separate entity. And you're like, oh, that's not my real life.
That's not my fashion. That's just stage the atrix. That's more stage the atrix. Okay.
You've never worn what you'd wear on stage on public. Maybe depends on the other one. But like on the same, like do you stuff when you're on the street though? Have any of us ever stuffed?
No, we spotted stuffing. Because you know when you're a kid, you get acne a little bit, you get your mom's makeup out, and you try to like cover everyone's done that, right? Yeah. I did it to cover up.
No, as an adult, I've done it, but I've never done it. I never did it as a kid. Because in the lighting in your home, it's fine. But then the more sterile lighting of some school rooms, like a science room, you get busted, and then there's always one mean kid who will call you out.
And it could be like that with stuffing. You look at your home mirror, you look perfect. And then in schools in gym class wearing shorts, and be like, oh my God, it's Shane's stuffing. And then it could just go around.
Does this have to show? No, theoretically. No, I'm just thinking, if it can happen with the makeup, it could happen stuffing. So it's a bigger risk if you stuff, I think.
The rumors flew around the school that Shane wears makeup, and also had elephantitis and the testicles. Yeah, yeah, too big can be a problem too. Yeah, be careful. What else is going on?
What do you happen? What do you happen to be following up on the raising against the machine concert? Oh, you went. I went on Saturday.
OK. I gotta say, it was a very cool experience going with Matt Civelli, our friend Brent, and the nut, who all grew up being obsessed with raising against the machine. They're a few years older than me, so they would have been a little bit more in their pocket. And they're all angsty teenagers.
I think the nut and Civelli went through a lot in their young life, so I understand why they gravitate to that kind of heavy, screamy, angsty kind of music. And I gotta say, the show was amazing. I maybe recognize two songs, but the energy in the room was actually so joyful and happy. People there were just so elated to finally seeing their favorite band.
And some people, though, I saw them at 99 of the gardens, or I saw them at 93 in Lollapalooza. And this band has been not really functional in the last 20 years. They played the odd reunion here and there. And I was talking to Brent.
I was like, after the show, I was like, I have so many questions, you understand the sort of command that Zack DelaRaka has. Because when you're not really paying too close attention to him, you're like, oh, there's a guy with the dreadlocks. He's screaming a lot. OK, I don't know.
Well, you see him on stage. And by the way, he couldn't even move on the stage. He was carried out by two guys, because I guess he broke his leg after the first show in Chicago. And so he did not look like a wheelchair.
He's got a wheelchair. That seems a little too men just carry him out. It'd be cooler if he just had a little wheelchair, right? Imagine if it was on that thing that was like old?
Yeah. No, actually, because it was just carry him out. I think the more theatrical diva thing would have been make me a hilarious throne in the way Dave Rold did it. And I'll drive me out in a fucking convertible onto the stage.
Like something, but it's just like two stage hands. Just beginning to get the show, picked him up, put him on some road cases. He didn't have a throne or anything. And then the end of the show, they came out and picked him back up and carried him off the stage.
It's very funny. But it was cool. And they all look really good. This is another thing.
It's like when you see a band that hasn't been torn for 20 years, how are they going to look? The band is all fit and the best looking versions that you can hope for a bunch of guys that are in their mid 50s. And also, I don't know, just the combination of Tom Morello's guitar playing, the rhythm section is really good, the sound of his voice. It was cool.
So I left the concert with a million questions and a new found respect for that band. I also kind of reminds me of the guy who said you got to see R Kells to really get it. That was me. And I'm raising against the machine.
It's about the same. I've heard anybody say that. Yeah. Either.
I don't recall. I've had it. Yeah, I know. But didn't I tell you?
Did you not want to be screaming fuck you? Do you tell me? By the end of it? That's exactly what I wanted to do.
It was so fucking cool. It was so awesome. How's the stage banter? Like I can't imagine them being funny in between songs.
No, no, no, no. Actually, a guy though did try to run onto the stage and stage dive off the stage. This is towards the very end. Wait, you were there for this?
This is my viral show you're at. That was this was the guy that he tried to dive. He accidentally hit Tom. So I'll try to step out or the security guy hit Tom.
That's how I went down. So you're guy was chasing the guy who was trying to stage dive and then hit Tom and then talk to all the stage trends. It happened pretty quickly. And I was a little confused and then Tom was like, let's start from the top.
And then they just start from the top of the song. And it was kind of a thing. But it leads me to a question I have for you too. The idea of rock metal was so unappealing to me.
I'm like, oh, all the other bands from the 90s in that world I think are mostly junk. And so there's this game when you got to think about the musical tree and think about the musical tree has a lot of branches. And each of the big branches is like a very important influential band. So one branch is the Beatles.
Another branch is, I don't know say Led Zeppelin, another is the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Which branch would you cut off? Not because you dislike the band. But you hate all of the imitators that the band influenced.
because all the little branches that are coming from that big branch. So it'd be very easy to say, you know what, I love raising against the machine, but I hate all that. I don't like Limpiscuit in 90s, rap rock. So as much as I love raising against the machine, or you could say, you know, I love Pink Floyd, but Stoner Rock, boring.
I hate all those bands. Every, every like high school that tries to start a like a Pink Floyd, like the influence they have or sublime or whatever it is. Is there anybody that comes to mind that like, oh, I actually like the band, but I hate most of the other stuff that came from it? Hmm.
That's a tough question. You're saying Limpiscuit isn't its own branch? No, I'd say Limpiscuit would be a smaller branch. I'm kidding.
That was the first. They're terrible. Although effective. That music was effective.
That was really good. Yeah. Like I don't know, man, you know when music works, but like rage was always a cool band. Limpiscuit was kind of like, I don't know, a weird bizarro version of The Backstreet Boys.
Even when they were their most popular, most people were like, oh fuck those guys. You know what I mean? Like it's like, but rage was always kind of like the beastie boys post like sort of 80s that first initial burst kind of settled into a very cool pocket post like mid 90s or whatever. And I think that yeah, it's interesting.
But it's a good question. I mean, we have to think of like a band. Do you guys have to think of comedians and stuff too, right? Like, oh, I love Jim Carrey, but anybody who tries to act like Jim Carrey.
Well, it's like Quentin Tarantino. He's a great director. But when he came out, every fucking movie after that was so annoying. Because everyone was trying to have like that innocuous dialogue that's kind of clever, like movies would just insert a portion into that.
And some movies would try to make their whole movie like a Tarantino film like Boondock Saints or things like that. And they got really a non chronological storytelling because Quentin jumps around in Pulp Fiction, a bunch of people. There's a lot of imitators afterward. And the movies weren't as nearly as memorable.
Some were really bad. Boondock's weirdly is one that is beloved by people. Like it's on call thing. And the making of that film is amazing.
I think it's called overnight. It's one of the best documentaries just about the director of that movie and how egotistical he is. But there is, oh, a scene in I think it's not under siege, but there's a Denzel Washington film where he's like in submarines and stuff. Everyone should YouTube that right now.
They inserted a hilarious Quentin Tarantino-esque dialogue sequence just thinking that it would catch on in the way like Pulp Fiction did. They thought that scene was a good thing. No, it's a Denzel Washington ripping off Tarantino. And he's talking about Silver Surfer.
Like, I don't know if we have to look it up, but it could be fun to watch. But it's just stupid ass dialogue. Denzel's character is now like pontificating on Pulp Culture in like a way that Tarantino can write very well, but it's reeks of imitation when other people attempt to do it. That's good.
Are you looking at it right now? I'm looking up some. Yeah. Oh, Crimson Tide.
Isn't Jean Hackman in this? It was in Crimson Tide. Yeah, I think Jean Hackman. Yeah.
That's so funny. Yeah. I can't recall the scene that you're talking about, but I'm going to look it up. It's laugh out loud, funny and embarrassing.
And the earnest way in which they do it is really cringeworthy. But yeah, MOD seems like a band. Do you remember them? There goes the boom.
Ready or not. MOD was the show on much. Yeah, MOD was the show on much. Yes.
That's correct. Yeah. That was a band I thought was at one point competing with Rage and could be like Rage, but then they just fell off. That was a big imitator of Rage.
But yeah, I think Rap Rock it has to be. Rage is the cool version and then all the imitators are terrible. What about something like, what's a Blink-182 create that spawned a bunch of stuff? Oh, because it's not really punk in the sense of like the sex pistols or you know, it's kind of like this weird, I mean, we call it a lot of good stuff came out of that though.
Some 41 I would think is influenced by Blink-182. No, but there's a whole, I mean, somebody want is excellent. How do we feel about the Maddens? What's the Maddens being?
Oh, yes. Yeah, I thought they were a good band. Oh, Little Things is a good song. There's some great shit that was imitated that way that came from like 22.
But basically a lot of Warpedor is so brutal. Like you could say like, you know, you like dashboard conventional. Like that's actually like a good band. All of that stuff that followed dashboard confessional is so or a ball boy.
And that shit is so fucking brutal and so terrible. You know? Ballo Boy is good though, right? You know, Ballo Boy is great.
I'm saying that and this is the thing about anybody who's sort of at the top is like they're usually really good. But it's just like, hey, Spawny, I think I'm more interesting. I feel, first of all, the circle of back, I feel like you have an answer, Max, because you asked us what you've thought about this and I want to hear your answer. But I was going to say, is there a band that is an imitator that surpassed maybe their inspiration?
Like someone that came out of a movement that, you know, maybe isn't as good as the originator, but you're like, actually that band's fucking better. They improved on the world now. You say that never happened. You say that never happened.
You say that never happened. You say that never happened. He's what? You know what I'd say actually is, you know, he's copying other people's songs.
And in a lot of cases, he's more popular than literally copying. Yes, it was a bit of a joke. I'd say the one example, and this comes to mind because I was hanging out with our friend Liam, who plays with Kings of Leon. Kings of Leon opened for the strokes when they first came out, they were considered the southern strokes.
And now you can make an argument that Kings of Leon is way more popular, not way more popular, but has, is more popular than the strokes. They probably sell sports. But it's better bands. Strokes are pretty good in different ways.
I'd take strokes. So if, okay, if it was late at night and you've had a few drinks and you're getting a subject, who would you rather put in your Instagram story? Strokes is for Kings of Leon. No, you know what?
No, you know what? No, you know what? Who would you rather put it? I know the answer depends on my mouth.
No, you told me strokes. But after hanging with Liam, I think about Kings of Leon, man, they're kind of like pretty good too. See, I don't think, I don't think what I did was that on cool. I'm like, Shane's referring to the time he posted the thing in the Max, Shane Tim about his choice in music.
Well, I think, I think Caleb has a more, like his voice is obviously like all world very powerful, very unique. And Julian from the strokes is like, like Julian would never like get to another a second round on American Idol. Caleb actually would have a shot. Like there's something about the technique in his voice.
Do you know what I mean? That is like very undeniable. The any directors that come to mind? Okay, so we was a Tarantino but or comedians, they're like, Oh, this guy's great.
But I don't like people that try to be that. Rob and Williams, like it's same thing as Jim Carrey. That's if somebody's doing that sort of thing, it is it does get a little much. Well, he's speaking of movies.
I don't know if Shane has seen yet, but are we allowed to talk about Nope with the new Jordan feelings? Last week? Sure. Yeah, I did see we'd have to do a huge spoiler.
So they would need to clear some stuff up here. Huge spoiler. We're gonna do it. Let's talk about.
Yeah, let's do it. My my assessments of Nope coming out of it is that it's a good movie. It's hard to make a good movie. It's a really good movie.
However, with Jordan Peele, I go in there expecting like, I don't know, something like something profound in a way that is like the way that I felt when I left get out that opening night. I'm kind of searching for that. And I like us to second film more than most people because that is mixed as well. This one was a good movie.
It's hard to make a move. There was attention and all this stuff. I just didn't give a shit in the moment of truth about the protagonist and I realized that it sort of spent a whole movie spending time with some characters that didn't really add up to much. It's about these two siblings, but there's not a lot that sort of like that sort of reveals their relationship.
So there is a moment of sort of potential sacrifice or not. I'm not feeling what I think I should be feeling. That had been distracting. Also, there was some interesting tone choices and some characters that sort of splashed in in the third act that I was like, is this caricature?
What's he doing here? So that's kind of how I felt. I walked out of it being like, yeah, that's a good movie. No reason will go same movie and say that was a bad time.
I just think that like for him, I wanted more. So that might be more on me than it is about the film that Jordan Peele made because Max, I would love to know your thoughts and I think maybe you share what a lot of people feel that film. Yeah, I really liked it. I thought it was better than us.
I liked it. It was a little start off a little bit slow, but the cinematography and like the landscape of being almost like a Western, right? Like a lot of horses and open fields. I thought that was sort of, I didn't expect him to necessarily go there.
And some of the supernatural stuff I normally don't like and it turns me off, but it held my attention. And I think he's a great comic writer as well and the choices he made when it came to like getting a laugh here and there. I didn't think like took me out of the film. And also in thinking about, yeah, what you said off the top, like, you know, what is he trying to say about the movie?
That was a question I had at the end. I was like, okay, what is he? What is like the symbolism of not looking at against whether or not looking at the terrible flying saucer that's going to eat you up? And if you don't look at it, then you'll be spared.
What does that say? And I've heard that it's kind of about the idea of like looking at like disasters and the more you like look at all the disasters around the world, the more maybe susceptible you are to being more part of the problem you are basically. And I was like, oh, that's an interesting sort of allegory. So I thought like the smart part kind of did pay off when I thought of a movie like that.
But to your point as well, and I was talking to a book like Matt about this, is that like, I think sometimes we all try to give artists like a lot of credit for like, oh, because when you use the color orange, that's really what it, and I know what you're trying to say there, the color orange. Okay. And sometimes it's like, no, I just like happen to like the color orange. Like half the time musicians are like writing lyrics like, oh, were you really trying to comment on the Cold War?
It sounded like you're trying to comment on the Cold War, Max. And I'm like, no, I just kind of rhymed, you know? So I wonder with him sometimes where it's just like, no, he just wants to make entertaining, good looking, rollicking fun, scary shit. That's enough in itself.
Like, and obviously I read about the film after because like I do think Jordan Peele is a pretty, he's an intentional filmmaker. I do think he is thinking about these things. I think he's laying down. I think he's, you know, yeah.
And you know, like I read the piece in the Atlantic and there's like a viewing vox that sort of like laid out what he was sort of trying to say about our obsession with filming and capturing things. And you know, the, the, the protagonist, you know, he's got a flip phone. He's kind of outside of what we're all doing. We're in the deep spoilers now.
So hopefully you've seen it and Shane, I hope you don't mind you to give us your blessing. But you know, in the last third there when like the teams, he guys shows up and he's faceless and it's like, you kind of, anyway, I just feel like I think in general, it's like, I, listen, there's a good chance I'm too stupid to understand what a lot of film is trying to say. And so if I'm not getting Jordan Peele's thing off the top, that is not necessarily saying Jordan Peele or people that like love him. That's probably saying more about me that I don't get.
That's okay. But I think in general, if that's the case and I'm not getting maybe the larger mesh of what he's trying to get across. I got elements of it. I didn't put it together in a way that a critic was able to sort of put together nicely.
I at least want to give a shit about protagonist at the moment of truth. Like that scene when he's looking at, you know, his sister and they're having this moment, I'm like, I don't, like I'm fine. I'm just kind of like, I'm kind of along on a monster movie and that's okay. And so it's like, I need to care about the characters deeply or maybe I can be like pulling something profound or intellectual from what I'm watching.
That being said, like all of it was like, it's a good movie. And I'm like, I don't think anybody walks out of that movie and says, I want my money back at all. And that was kind of the first thing that I said when I got out of the film. But I also don't think you should have to go and read like the Atlantic or Vox to understand what filmmakers making.
He would argue and argue and argue. Well, I fucking, it was entertaining to tell him that a good time. So actually I didn't want to search for the deeper meaning that it doesn't matter because I got to see, you know, dudes run away from a spaceship on a horse and it was compelling and thrilling in the moment. And so maybe it succeeds on that level.
Shane, you've taken this all in. You have a good theory. Yeah. I just think he is the M night for our generation.
He came out with Get Out which everybody loved. And then So Get Out is his sixth sense. Then Unbreakable. A lot of people really liked Unbreakable, but not everyone.
And that was M night second film. And that is his us. And then the third film, M night went for signs, which is a alien film. And then that's what Jordan's doing here.
And then that's when M night was kind of like the beginning of the end. People were pretending they really like signs a lot more than they did. And then he just fell off. It's like the show survivor too, where everyone's in for season one, you get a lot for season two, some hangars on for season three.
Yeah. Colleen was so good. She was season one or two. I think she was one.
She was one. I was with Hasplac. Yeah, I loved her. You're right.
But anyway, it's season three. I couldn't even tell you who the attractive woman was. I mean, I see them stork. Yeah, you don't even know what it's about anymore.
And I feel like Jordan is on that trajectory. I will say though that Jordan has a track record with a key in appeal for writing profound comedy, really high level sketch comedy that probably separates him from M night. Like his social commentary, right? Would you say is like a little bit more respected and has a career?
Respect it for sure. I've watched Key in Peele though. I'd say it's really awesome filmmaking and awesome sketches, but I don't think it's profound. Maybe there's some commentary, but it's very overt in your face.
I don't think it's profound. I guess it depends on your definition. It's profound. Yeah.
I know what she's throwing around. I might not know what profound it means. Prolific means a lot profound means like a deep word. I know it's prolific.
Yeah. I mean, so many people use prolific incorrectly. It's when you do a lot of material in a short period of time. Well, I only did those two because we once read a dinner with a prominent person with a lot of money and they kept using prolific wrongly.
They thought they were using it like profound. You remember this? I've noticed. No, I don't want to say the person's name, but I noticed because this person has a TV show too that they're always saying how prolific people are when they really mean profound.
Yeah. So it's like, if you're doing some money, you'd be like, what you just said was very prolific. It's like, no, that's not, you know, who is this person? We just kept having our drinks and they kept saying it.
And afterward when we were Ubering home, we were like, like, you caught that. Yeah. And it was like, I didn't know if you were going to say something like you can have your room. The dinner was on him.
Okay. Last thing before we wrap this up, I made a TikTok yesterday. It kind of went viral. Fine.
Let me look at this. Yeah. It's, you know, let's look it up. It has a let's see.
We better be over a male here, Max. What are we talking about? It's got 200,000 views, but also 265 shares and 300 comments. So like the engagement's good.
This is when your niece comes over? Yeah. Isn't this a repos? Basically, no, this is, it's the same from a series.
So I've, this is a sequel to an earlier TikTok where I was singing a song to my board 15 year old niece. My question is she's unemployed at the moment. She kind of wants to get a job. It turned into Ash and I going, okay, we're going to find you a job.
And then for the next hour and a half, Ash wrote her resume and a cover letter. Well, I was like just desperately trying to have a nap. I was like, I want to help this kid get a job, but I don't care that much. And Ash is like furiously typing for like an hour and a half, just like making the thing sound as if she could get into like an Ivy League school.
Like a sounds record. It was a 15 year old who has no job experience. She's volunteered at a farmer's market and she's babysat. And then she's like, I can read you the thing.
It's pretty fucking awesome. Yeah. And then I had one job, which is again, Emma hardly did anything. Then I'm going into Emma's email.
I got in touch with Craig's cookies. I was like, yo, Craig, hire my 15 year old niece. And I'm like, okay, here's the thing. My one job was to type in the email address correctly to Craig, like info at Craig's cookies.
And I spelled it wrong. So I got a bounce back three hours later. I looked at my computer and her email was still open. I was like, oh, I didn't even do the one thing I had to.
So I guess my question though is, is 15 too young to be telling someone a young person to get a job? Because I got a lot of feedback in the comments on TikTok saying, you're an asshole, let her live her life. She's going to be working the rest of her life. Let her enjoy her summer.
What do you think? I don't like 15. I was made to get a job when I was 15. I don't like that.
I think it should be 18. I don't like jobs. I hate work. Working is the worst, right?
Like, you don't work really, Max. Like you don't know what it's like. It's not good. And 15 is too young.
And these jobs, they're actually harder when you're 15. I'm more scared of the jobs that I did when I was 15 to 18 than I am at the job I'm doing now. It's much harder. Like being a barista or whatever, that's so tough.
And a lot of times that's the type of job you just start out with and you're dealing with cranky people and your confidence is being messed with and the way you look at authority. There's nothing to be said about like learning good habits and working with others and all that stuff. Learn later. Yeah, still learn those.
Learn them later. Yeah, it's like, I guess what you're learning is how to show up on time. How to like keep a schedule. But yeah, working sucks.
I didn't really work work until I was probably like 17 or 18. You're in school though at 15. You got schedule and learning how to keep it. The difference is if you're in a situation where you need the money rather than it's a want, then you have to work.
Oh, yeah. I mean, that's kind of what I ran into when I was like 17, 18. I was like, oh, if I want to do anything, I need money and I'm not getting any for my parents. What she needs.
200 bucks for Doc Martens. Just give it to her. Give her the money. She has a rich uncle.
Yeah. I did tell her I'm like, I don't want to brag. But if Doc Martens sends me free docs, whatever I want. Yeah, just lie about your shoe size.
You can do that, right? Maybe she gets a job, but then I'll give her a free shot. You gotta learn, man. What do her parents think?
Why are you on the case here? No, I just offered to let's just like board. So I was like, don't go for lunch. And then she showed up and then we started talking.
I think like her, my mom, my sister is her stepmom. So she's pretty happy with her behavior and all that stuff. That's good. What was your first job, Max?
Max, I'm assuming at one point you did something. Yeah, actually, I was like, we know he's been fired from a, you've been fired from East Side Mario's, but what was your very first job? I was a summer camp counselor at Trinity Bellwoods Recreation Center and I was also a rink guard. Actually, the previous winter, I think I was like 15, 15 or 16.
I was a rink guard at Trinity Bellwoods Skating Rinkit. And I don't even know how to skate, but I still got the job. That's good, my baby. All right, guys, it's all right.
Well, it's all right. Thank you for listening. Sorry, it was a short one today, but you know what? We did it.
We got one out. Thank you. It's Ash. Thank you to Nathan Nash for putting this all together.
Hey, maybe that's all right.