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Kind and keep the toxic behaviour out of her notism. I'm interested in that because the chat has already mentioned this film is all about toxicity and toxic or suffering of fans as well. Annie Wilkes the original fucking fan girl. Oh she said it already she's got she's in trouble.
I'm not going to. She said it's a fan girl. She said it's a fan girl. She said it's a fan girl.
She said it's a fan girl. She said it's a fan girl. I aspire to. I'm ready.
This is the tagline for the movie. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do the worst one first because I don't actually get this one. The tide has come.
That's it. The tide has come. That's the first one. The second one.
Paul Sheldon used to write for a living. Now he's writing to stay alive. I like that. I like that because it's true.
You're going to love the next one then. This Christmas there will be misery. Was it Christmas that was made? Always a really sad Christmas.
That is the tagline for this movie. I do not get the tide has come. The tide might be a cheeky typo. The tide has come.
The tide had come. The tide has come. The tide has come. The tide has come.
The tide has come. The tide has come. The tide has come. The tide has come.
Because the letters are different and the letters in the movie is different to the book. It was M and H that was missing in the book. It might be a type or it might be really clever. I don't think it will to be honest with you.
So with us being doing NERDY UP North now for five years, welcome to five years in January, who is NERDY UP North's number one fan? Who do we did put in that, grab it? Who would you put in that? I don't want to answer now you said that because I was going to say Beth.
Yes, I was going to say that. I don't want to believe Beth would do something like that because Beth has been with us from a really, really long time. She constantly champions her, she constantly supports us. But I don't believe she pushed her, but would you have a lot of math?
She would, 100%. I agree Beth now. Yeah. I don't think that's the same question.
I'm going to, actually I know he's not a part of NERDY UP North, but I would say Martin would have been the scariest part of number one fan. Let's just point out that, he's the one that memorised what we had in the house and was like talking to us before, I liked it when you had that picture, the air and stuff like that. That was the scariest time. Do you know what it was just good at like observation skills?
Like you know that game when you're a kid where you look at the two pictures and you're like, and I was like, I don't know, I just miss time. He was just really good. I was just skilled, yeah, it's a skill. But you shouldn't really display that skill to humans.
No. Much. I already knew what you would have worked in the US at the last time. So I'm going to get a bit of a mess.
No, I can geeze this. I can geeze this. Get geezed. Yeah.
Yeah. I need that cereal. It's like a little bit there. Yeah.
I just want to start off a little bit of a funny little bit of this because this movie's going to get serious. It's gonna get really serious, really dark. Moving directed by none other than the great Rob Reiner. And honestly, if we don't have another one of Rob Reiner's movies, we don't get this movie.
Because as we all know, if we don't know any ways, Rob Reiner went on to do Stand By Me. King loved his adaptation of Stand By Me. So much heat only allowed the movie. So the movie rights were bought by Cut-Sall Rock Entertainment, which is Rob Reiner's production company, which is named after a Stephen King location.
And Rob Reiner always bought the rights to Misery not long after the book's release. But Stephen King had trepidation about a big studio taking on his work on Tilly Source, Stand By Me. And when I will only allow this to do to be done if Reiner directs, he has to direct this. And that's where the start on point starts from.
And then the cast on. This is why one of these movies, like an all we should never see a film should never be remade or never retall. I think it would be very hard for anyone to replace Kathy Bates in this movie. She's the only irreplaceable person in this movie.
Kathy Bates inspired King so much. He has wrote two additional characters based on her own, which I see that if the movies were ever made, it would be Kathy Bates playing her. The Loris-Calavon is one of them. Yes.
I can't remember what the other one is. But yeah, she is such an inspiration for King and it all comes down to this movie. But would you like to know? Because James Khan was never number one pick in this movie.
No, it wasn't. And to be honest with you, up until today, when I re-watched it, I was thinking, you could have anyone in here playing Paul Sheldon. You really could. But then there was something about the way he played Paul Sheldon.
He's not the Paul Sheldon Anu from the book. And there's a reason for that. But I liked what he did for the movie. But yeah, would you like to know the alternative cast?
Oh, I haven't. Right. It was the original person they wanted and they really, really wanted him. Was William Hurt?
Oh, oh, oh. They went to him twice and he knocked it back twice. Shh, shit, thanks. Yeah, William Hurt, they really, they really hired him.
And I'm in mine for this movie. Then the next one's on the chump block. It gets really good. Kevin Klein.
Oh, I don't know. Because Kevin Klein, yeah, I know he was big at this time. It was like- All these names, one death time, wasn't it? It was a really- Yeah, all these names I'm going to mention are huge at this time.
So you've got Michael Douglas. He's got the Smarminess. But I don't think the vulnerability wouldn't have been- He can't do it. He can't do it.
He can't do it. He wouldn't have been able to do it. Play it the way that Khan ends the delivery. That was a thing.
Probably. Shh, I was like, shh. No, no, I'm actually- This one, I can't imagine in a million years because I don't think we'd ever be able to understand a word he's saying, Harrison Ford. Oh, I could say that.
Oh, I like that. Yeah. Well, it was a Harrison Ford- In capacity for the days of Justin Hoffman. Right.
Oh, it would have been too serious. It would have been way too serious. Yeah, it would have been scary. Yeah, probably.
And the next two- Robert De Niro and Al Pacino. No, no. No. You don't want to say them as things writers, so- No.
That's exactly what I was thinking. The don't look like writers. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Like, Duxters. Yeah. It's all just Khan.
Do a role in the same movie. Yeah, but Khan's not a bit like- A little bit of a swag, a little bit of a- like, as I said, Americana about them. Like, you could see him doing- Like, finishing his boot, Lightning cigarette, having that glass of Don Perriana. Yeah.
Yeah, I think I've been also- Yeah, something too edgy about Dineer and Al Pacino. Even though I've had a 180-amp Pacino recently. And this is two on the North's, the next one. Right.
Richard Dreyfus. Ooh. Two on it. It's two stand by me.
He was the writer. He was the voice of the writer and stand by me. But for these type of roles as well, you've got to believe that it could be overpowered by- Like, Kathy Bates, any Wilkes. Yeah.
Richard Dreyfus would have been- I think would have been in a mere than one. But again, it would have been too scary. Because it seemed like Justin Hoffman, I think the performance he would put in. It would- Me too.
Yeah. Um, okay. Then you've got- Next one, Gene Hackman. Ooh.
I think Hackman could have done a really good job. Yeah. Oh yeah, I like that one. And I do think the next one as well, would have done it now, right?
Job as well, Robert Redford. Redford would have been perfect. That is the perfect cast. Because he's got the charm, he's got the swagger, he's a beautiful man as well.
So- Mm-hm. Well, they all turned it down. Right? All of them did whatever they could do with it, apart from one person.
And this is your original Paul Sheldon. This is before Khan gets involved. Right. This role was already taken up.
This person had a hand in right in the script. This person was ready to go into principal photography. And then at the last second, another production came up and it- No. A production he was already done got extended and he had to go back under contract.
It was Warren Beatty. Stop. Ah. Warren Beatty was your original Paul Sheldon.
He, like I say, he had hands- He had hands-on with his script. Everything's right up into principal photography. And then Dictrazzi- Yeah. He had to go back and do work with Dictrazzi and because of the contract over powers, this one, he has to go back and do it.
So he is the one who suggested James Khan. Ah. Khan really didn't want to do it. He didn't like the idea that he would have to be incapacitated.
He is a guy who liked to move about. He took his craft way too seriously and thought he wouldn't be able to do a lot to just lie down until he got a good talk and to from Rob Reiner. And it became- He kind of got a little bit of an acting class as he was filming. But the one person he really fucking didn't get on with.
It was Cathy Bitts. I heard after he had each other and said- It was so- They don't- It's like, did they or didn't they? Because they- On their initial meetup in rehearsals, now Cathy Bitts comes from a theater background. He is a movie star.
So he doesn't like to do a lot of prep work with other people. He wants to act upon reaction. She on the other hand is a theater actor who wants to rehearse the live and shit out of everything. She makes two remarks around it.
Yes. They clashed completely on ideas of that. And she said that she would get herself so worked up to where Rob Reiner would go, put it in the character. Everything he all feeling about him put it in the character.
And it wasn't until she's a very sensitive soul. I don't think people realize this about Cathy Bitts, which is a very sensitive soul. And the certain parts of that movie used to get her really, really upset to where- After she'd done the show, like one of the shots where she attacked him, she starts crying straight afterwards because she hated how she'd made her feel. And that's where their bond started to- He started to realize that she's, you know, she's just a person underneath all that.
But there's a few people who were considered for Annie Wilkes. Cathy Bitts was not the original person. She was scary because you can't see anyone. Like- She was unknown.
Like, she was in the theater background. So this catapulted her. This was just like the opportunity of a fucking lifetime. Oh, you are not wrong.
Jesus, and acting this. And then winning a war? You know what? The first- The first- The Saving King, like a movie.
That same king was involved with. But he spoke some stuff. Oh, that's insane. Annie goes to write- He gets that inspired by her.
He goes to write- What? With her in mind. Like, if this gets made into a screenplay, I need her to play this. Honestly, Dolores Calabon is one of my favorite non-horror thriller- Saving King books.
Movies, only single movie. It is Cathy Bitts' absolutely ill- Mind. Do you think she's scary as Annie Wilkes? Oh, you've nothing Dolores.
Dolores would rip Annie Wilkes' head off and use it as a hat. But there are two people who were considered for Annie Wilkes. One of them is a very famous knockback who, to this day, regrets not doing this movie. The first one was Angelica Houston.
Ah. She's too tall. Too tall? That's exactly what I was thinking.
She's too fucking tall. Too tall? She did. Yeah, she would have- The overpowering would have come from the height, not from the actual- Has she been more like no structure than- Yes.
Yes. Yes. And you just brought up something because I'll just remember this. And the other one who said- She actually admitted this not long ago that this is probably one of the biggest regrets about Korea was Bette Niddler.
She was the top- She was the top- She was the top- She would have been good. I would have liked to have seen that. You can't hear Bette Nillelle, that's the thing. Ah, you can.
You can't. I just think kids. You like a little bit. Yeah, there was a reason to- He can't actually say he would do this movie.
It's because it got offered to a certain other actor who was not on my list. But he didn't want to do it because he's already done a King movie before and he remembers the reception that he got from that. And he didn't want to have that hang- in order for his head was Mr Jack Nicholson. And it was because Nicholson turned down the role, can't wait.
Oh, well, I'm going to take it because he was offered the role of once moving over the Kuku's nest. He said no, Nicholson got it. And then so he was like, I'm going to have history now. Other way, when Nicholson's turned it down, I'm going to do it.
It's like fucking sliding doors in it. Imagine if I was just looking at his first set. So the input of punk role wins in the show, you know what I mean? It's insane.
I'm going to say something very controversial now. Because I don't want this to sound like it's a slight to the movie. But watching it again now, when I always did feel like this, the shooting and the camera work and everything used in this movie made it feel very made for TV. Other than the performances, the actual visuals in this, I know it's a very self-contained movie.
It's all in there. But I did get made for TV vibe from this. Other than the performances, it's like a TV novella, but with actual people who can do the shit properly. If I hadn't read the book, if I hadn't read the book, I would have thought exactly the same thing.
Yeah. I think the bit for me, that really exactly what you said there, you know when he gets in the car and he puts his briefcase down, and he does that little part, as if to say, oh, this is my special briefcase. And it's to put forward the idea that, like, the only copy of that book is in there. His manuscript, you know what I mean?
And it's just that part. And when he's driving, I think there's a little part, or like, you just, it keeps going. No, he goes to grab us. And he goes to grab us?
He goes to grab us? Ah, he's just like, why are you fucking grabbing it? You've got to die in a fucking horrific car accident. And you can grab in your case.
It's like, tears of our lives. We've got to fall down the stairs. I can't tell you what to fall down the stairs. You can remove it.
Oh, I didn't get that at all. I thought I was a mink. I didn't mean to mink. I thought it was a mink.
He's not a junk. No, I think the rock got me was when the, there's a movie starts and you've got that opening song, come on. Initial thought, I went, what the fuck? This is just sort out of players.
And then I went, oh, hang on. Right, it's made like a really good choice. I say that it's sort of lifting to way because we're all aware this is going to go. It's going to get even bleak.
So to have that playing at the beginning is quite a good choice. I didn't get, honestly, I didn't get, but maybe- No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Again, because you just made a good little thing about this movie, because with Rob Ryan and Meeting Standby Me, the one thing other than the movie that you get hit with is the soundtrack. The soundtrack to Standby Me is standing perfect.
This one, again, I know what you're saying to the start, but even through this music and sound that's in here, is it great? It's kind of like the tension that's built up is because of like the chemistry between Annie, like Kathy Bates and James Kahn. There's more, like, it's not your jaws where you hear the music that's around Bill. You can't remember, this made personally, I can't remember anything like musical wise, I made this like the hairstyle on me, and it was like, that's why I think, that's why to me, again, made for TV, kind of jumps up and it's surprising as well, because it's so well-meared.
And this, like, as Kathy said, there's little bits in it, I think, did they have much fear? Because you got the car poisoning. That should have been a huge big scene, like when it goes off-road, and it's just like, he like the slide, and then all of a sudden the cars upside down, you're seeing this, nor but you don't actually see them losing control. It's kind of like- Yeah.
Just take this type of situation. Just spin in the camera, round and round, and round, except the car. Do you know, I might think differently, once I watch the Salem's Lot TV one, maybe I might see the comparison, because at the minute I've just seen a Rob Ryaner movie, it feels no different than Stand By Me, for me, personally. No, no, I think, I thought Stand By Me had more polish.
That was like, say, say, I didn't, I felt the same. I knew I was watching Rob Ryaner film, like, I knew exactly where I was when I was watching it. And you know what? You say about the soundtrack, it's just like, you know, Rob Ryan is, like, you know, when you go on and buy a soundtrack from a movie, like The Lost Boys, you get that fucking soundtrack, you know what I mean?
Stand By Me, that soundtrack is just beautiful all the way through. This one, I couldn't tell you what song was on at the beginning. I didn't find it, like- It's the effect of the one I thought it's like- Memorable. Doo doo doo doo doo doo.
You know what I mean? Like, it's there, it helps at the time, but I wouldn't think, oh my god, it doesn't stick with you, like, you know what, the excess tubular bells. No, it doesn't- You know what I mean? It's not working in here.
Yeah, it's um, it is just, it's almost as if they like spent all the budget on James. Nothing, nothing. But we might have because his legs, unless he's half a completely infrasthetics the whole time, obviously they are not his legs. Yeah, completely his legs.
You can't do your legs. You can't do your legs. And your legs. A lot of work went into his legs.
Yeah, but we know you're probably getting excited by this as well, because the actual makeup on the injuries, not just on his legs, but on his face, and how they did it over time as well. That was fucking beautiful. The gradualization of it. And watching his legs getting worse, they're not getting better.
And as you've seen, they're getting better. Like he's like he's like he's bruising, and he's marking, like all, yeah, the makeup work done on Paul Sheldon, the lawn is absolutely phenomenal. Kelly mentioned about her winning and Oscar for this. Yes, she did.
She was the first woman to win in Oscar in horror. The Academy do not like to class it as horror, but she is the first woman who won an Academy Award for horror. The first performance to win in Oscar for a horror film was Frederick March for his role as Dr. Jack Lemis to hide in 1901.
And the only other winners outside of her is Ruth Gordon from, meaning she played Mega Farrah's in um, Rosemary's baby. What'd you call them? What are they called? The same in worshippers?
Yes, yes. Yes, yes. And then after that is Anthony Hopkins, and Johnny Foster and Natalie Portman, the black swan. They were the only ones that will be categorized as a rut.
A rut. A lash. The rilla. Yeah, because we had to be in sign a little bit of talk about this.
Because I went for some lunch to me parents today and we always asked because I don't know why they do us because they've got knee interest in the podcast at all. Um, I was like, what are you doing tonight? I was like, oh, we're doing misery. He was like, oh, it's a great movie that.
And I was like, oh yeah, I really enjoyed it. All right, it's pretty that because you don't be slag as often in horror because you think horror is just a shit genre. And we doubt it's not a horror film. I was like, oh, on Earth is misery.
Not a horror movie. It's just suspenseful. I was like suspense, fear. Just not coincide with horror.
Is it? No, no, I don't say it's horror. I went with people. It doesn't have a monster or an axe wielding maniac to be amongst her.
She kidnapped some drugs. She's a fucking baby killer. She's a serial killer? Yeah.
Oh my god. She really, like in the, I mean, obviously, go into it in the movie that she is a baby killer. You know this. She killed over 30 people.
In her entire lifetime, starring with her father and trying to end up with Paul Sheldon. 30 people. And they're trying to tell me, when I was reading my notes, that she is a sympathetic character. Annie Wilkes is one of the most terrifying people I have come across in Stephen King.
The unpredictability of that woman is terrifying. So yes, it is a horror film. Sorry to be all strong worded begins Paul's parents, but it is. Sorry.
You go get in the psychology of it of this. You know, like maybe she was like, trying to rush to do that. But the thing is in the book, it does give you that background where you've got no sympathy for her whatsoever. If there's even like an inkling of sympathy in the first pair, you could find it.
If you had a fine tooth comb in the book, it's like, nah, she is fucking. She is just evil. I want to put to rest a myth that we as the Stephen King crew have kind of created when we've talked about King. So we've always said, and I say we as a collective, because it's a clear, royal way.
It's collective. When King was on his drug habit, we said clearly on the Pennywise podcast many times that it was that. It's not. He's actually clean and sore about when he wrote Pennywise.
When he wrote it, he was clean and sore. But this is his recovery. Right. And Wilkes is his depression, is his addiction.
It's everything he was feeling while he was strong off on his tits. It's Annie Wilkes. It had nothing to do with Pennywise. He was just being very creative and very different with Pennywise, which is why a lot of people thought exactly the same thing.
It's Annie Wilkes who becomes here. That's his addiction. Yeah. Cool, he was off his tits.
He can't remember right. Cool, he was off his tits. He was off his tits then. But yeah, he's I've been reading.
He spoke, he's been on writing. And there's being bits and bobs. That's come up. That's his writing of misery.
Was spawned from the reaction of his fans when he tried to write some epic fantasy. He bought the eyes of the dragon in 1984. And they were like, oh, but it's not. It's not.
It's not. It's not. It's just. It's just.
And he was just so this is his idea. It was. What did he do? The dark tower?
Uh, literally. Yeah. Yeah. He's late.
Yeah. He's a kind of be filmed. This is. Oh, Jesus.
That's just right. Let's just. This was published in 1987. And so, yeah, this was when he was getting clean.
It was going to be. It was meant to be a backman book. But his identity got leaked before it. He was just like, yeah, just looking on it.
You know, we said the character of Annie Wilkes came to him and a dream and he was on a plane. I was just fucking hell. It was supposed to be some sort of nightmare. I wish he had.
Annie Wilkes staring down at me. I am your number one woman. Even though, in the book, she doesn't see it. It's him.
Yeah. He sees it. Yeah. What's quite funny about Annie Wilkes.
And again, this is going to sound sort of his army seeing this. But there's elements of Annie Wilkes's character. Not seeing that in people that we know well. But we have come across this person, oh, that's a paper person, to a degree.
Not to say that in full work. Are you recording that back in your chair now? You think he's going to see you? You think he's going to see me?
No, I'm thinking it's going to be me. No, I'm actually thinking of someone to work when I use to work as a teacher. I think, oh, my god, there she is. No, no, no.
We've all come across people in our lives that has elements where you kind of like recall in horror just because I have a free as they've said or how they've kind of reacted to something that you've said. Because let's go out there. We all have a dark humor. We all have like, say, a high tolerance.
We don't get offended easily. So we can see a stuff to each other that other people would be like, oh, my fluttering little hanker chasing. So how dare you, sir? And even in working situations, I think you can make a comment.
And her reaction is to certain things, like when she reads his first manuscript, it's like you put all these curse words in profanity. It's like, that just reminds me of so many different people I've known. And then just have like the split person, I'll call it a nice, nice woman. Then want to rip your head off the next.
That's the horror because this is the everyday. I mean, there's very little chance of a clam talking to you through a dream. Yeah. On a day to day basis.
But with this, this is what is scary. It is the fact that this is a person. This is not a monster. This is a person who was being born onto this world.
This is not a devil or, you know, a creative creation of, you know, environmental things, etc. But any one has the capacity to be like that. Yeah. Should they be pushed far enough?
If you can be like just kind of over the top of the top of the top of time, I've got cheese, but I wouldn't go and find the maker of time. I've got cheese and cherry and me, while they come back to us, you know what I mean? Yeah. Well, I think it's interesting to be that's being pushed, because I don't even think Annie Wilkes is an extreme, because that's scary.
This is where this comes to terrifying this movie, because normally in these situations, like this thing about the strangers or deliverance and stuff like that, where these type of people are certain things but are pushed to the end to the great. Annie Wilkes isn't because we've got like people in the world like Harold Shipman. This is basically the podcast being demonetised now by anyway. Yeah, fuck that.
The shotgun content anyway. Yeah. Is it the latest nurse woman who got arrested on a few years ago? Yes.
We'll see that later. We'll see that later. Annie Wilkes in the world exists. Oh, yes.
That's the scary thing. Very much so. And again, if you get someone who's in that type of situation, where they're mentally deranged, and they're put in the situation where they've got like someone who they're like beloved or like number one fans, if I look at a hell of stalking out there now with celebrities, like especially like female celebrities and stuff, I know it's like flipping the head meal in the family, which is so interesting context. But the amount of people that get stalked now and have to get like wishy in the orders and stuff like this, this could sort of fucking happen in the real world.
That's terrible. In the film, she says, oh, I know you're right, you're you're boo, because you do that and you're dry, because he's got that kind of, you know, like, um, routine, and I'm not sure if it's in the book. So it's in the film she sees in the book. So right.
And the book, in the book, he's just written his manuscript and he decides he's going to go and deliver it personally to New York and passes through there. In this one, he writes it there. Yeah. And then she doesn't know he's actually there until she sees them.
She's washing through the window in the move. So this is where I kind of get a little bit hazy. So I just think of Annie Wilkes in the book, you know, I just fucking mincein about in the snore in a mad way, coming across this car and like opens it up and just like, must have been the best kinder ever, you know what I mean? She just like, I imagine like surprise, surprise.
Hey, how the fuck did the stars align for her? It's like to be nice, but nice enough to see. Oh, someone's had an accident. Let's see who it is.
Oh my God. Yeah. It's you. It's right here.
I mean, you're 100% right, especially the way I'm saying. But that coincidence doesn't seem insane when you're reading it though. Although when I've just said it, it seems really bad. I had to go and check because I could, when I heard her say, oh, I saw you do this and I saw you leave there and I saw you get in the car and they get hurt.
That didn't, it's basically making sense or something. That's non-scentable. Oh, 100%. Oh, 100%.
Yeah. It's adding another layer to the middle illness that is. Because if you want to know the truth, she has bipolar disorder, obsessive compulsive disorder, one trans syndrome by proxy, a severe personality disorder, paranoia, antisocial, borderline features schizophrenia and schizophrenia spectrum disorder. So she would get on a Bina member of Nadia of Northland.
So yeah. She would probably be my best friend. Only if she answered the questions when she came into the door. Yeah.
Yeah. But yeah, the whole thing, I had to go back and look because in the boog, you instantly, you don't get that lead up. You don't get that Paul Sheldon going into the car, getting into the accident. He is literally her day accident.
And he's being pulled out. There is a few changes from book to film, which needed to be done for a, obviously, from a rating point of view. Oh, no, yes. Yeah.
A rating point of view and a cohesive story as well. So in the boog, they really downplay Paul a lot in the, in the film to the boog, because in the boog, he is a massive addict. I mean, to substance, he goes through substance abuse and the novel that she's given him, or cocaine-less tablets. And she knew that because that's how she gets his addiction up.
How she knows that she knows that she's going to be able to give them to him one day. I don't know. But she's been planning it almost like a new book. Yeah.
It's like she caused the accident. But you just don't know that. And this is the brilliant book. And I'm gonna put it on.
Yeah. It's the brilliant book. You don't know how she's known half of this, because it feels like that whole house is set up ready for him to be there. Yeah.
Yeah. So they're really downplay Paul's addiction. But it's too over complicated. You've already got, in the boog, it's got its time to be able to tell you two sides of the story, any side and his side.
You've only got a short space of time to be able to say, this, and Annie Wilson, she is the important one here. You need to understand her. And this is what I loved about Kahn's performance, is that if he's not gonna go down the addictive personality that Paul has in the boog, he played the vulnerability side and he kind of played it to work with her. Yeah.
So if you notice when she was talking, if she got into one, he would try and do the whole calm and down thing and try and be her friend. Yeah. It's like he knew how to work her, like how he would play it with that. Yeah.
Well, obviously being a big, she's a number one fan. So in that way, that really bothered us, because whenever I read the boog, the he says she says she can't get our words out properly. And he goes, let me guess, you're my number one fan. And then she was, yes, I mean, number one fan.
And I was like, oh, what? That's a bad. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Is that because he's like, because then, I mean, both in the boog and the film, but in the film, James Kahn, when he, when she's going to kill him, after she's killed, right, this really pisses me off, right? I love the elderly. Yeah. The funny, the grace.
That's the best I'll buy to. Kelly loves the elderly. I love the elderly. Yeah.
In Buster, Sheriff Buster. What a guy doing his fucking research, you know, doing art. And the thing is, please buy Richard Deafansworth, who I've got a really soft spot for. Because he was in, he was in Anne of Green Gables.
He was Anne's adopted father. Mm-hmm. And I love, I love. He's a great actor.
Well, I mean, I mean, other actor is so unfortunate. You know what happened? He had like a chance, sir. And it made him like, have a life.
So he killed himself. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah. It's so sad.
Like, that was in the, yeah, that was in the early 2000s. I think so. When I see him, I feel all the Anne of Green Gables. Oh.
And he's doing his little, you know, I read it. The lovely relationship he's got with, obviously, he's white. He's definitely, she's funny. Yeah, she's funny, huh?
Jeez, buddy out, it's sex in the city. Oh, yeah. It took me a while to realise that. Oh, my God, it's funny.
It's kind of like it's mum and sex in the city. Yeah. And they've got lovely, really, a relationship. And then obviously, he goes to the house, you know, thinking there's something not right here.
And he's just a lovely, lovely bloke. And she goes in like, sorry, spoiler alert, shoots them. Yeah. Because obviously he finds.
Oh, what is she doing? Well, Sheldon. And I was just, what is she doing the book? What is she doing the book?
She doesn't mean that in the book. But it's not an old man. So I'm fine with that. And even it was Buster.
It was Buster. I would have kicked off. Yeah, but so the whole police story isn't in the book. The police know what's Annie straight away in the book.
She is number one in their act. Like she did this, but it's just trying to get to her. So a young deputy comes to the door and Paul tries to signal it. To be honest, in a horrible kind of events, it is Paul who calls these dead.
He did it. It's just, he's just shut up. It wouldn't have happened, but she comes out with a shotgun, shooting through the door and then proceeds to get her lawnmower and drive it all the way. I'm going to ride on it.
Constantly until he is normal. She knows that her leaves are common. She knows exactly how much time she's got between that first deputy common to when the next ones come, to when the warrant comes. So she knows the time out of when this is all going to happen.
They know she's done something straight away. So it's that investigation is not in there. But I liked it in there. I actually like to see the, I knew where his faith was going to lead to.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was a hell of a shot in the back of the moment.
Did you see his part? Oh yeah. Yeah, because I think in the movie as well, it's like such a shock. Because as I said, Buster and Virginia are such a little characters.
Buster's like the shine and light as well. Like everyone in this movie is so stupid. But he's like getting like, being a proper policeman. He's doing his job, doing everything right.
And he's kind of figuring everything out. And when you think, yes, he's got that. He's done it. I thought when I first watched the movie years ago, I didn't know he was going to get shot.
I thought he would push down the stairs. So I thought that was going to be like, said, and then I got hit and locked up. But it was much more shocking. Because he was the one that you thought, because it's kind of like foreshadowing.
He's the one that's going to solve this. He's the one that's going to get them out with this trouble. And it's like, no, it's not. He's the one that demonstrates how dangerous Annie is as a deadly force.
And that's when you see like the complete flip side, which is like, you can find out what a plan is that she's going to kill Paul and herself. That's kind of like the final act. And it's like, oh, fuck, I wonder, can not change. Because I do like how this movie played out.
If they were brave enough to not give us a happy ending, it'd give us the end of where Annie kills Paul and kills herself. And that's pitch black. That's the end. I think that we're going quite traumatizing.
Well, Paul. Well, well, Stephen King, when he was writing, actually had the intention of Annie was originally going to survive. And she was going to get Paul to write the book, you know, resurrect misery, as it were. And he originally planned for it to bind the book with his skin.
So when he was writing, he had that in his mind of like, this conson of die. He's got it. He's off this mortal coil. So he's typing what he said when he was writing Sheldon.
It almost, it was the character was creating itself. He found it to be more resourceful than he anticipated. But if you kind of take it from the, you know, semi-biographical point of view of perhaps Stephen King being in the Paul Sheldon, who's chained to horror fiction, Paul Sheldon's chained to historical romantic fiction. And he's trying to break free with another book.
And he's trying to break free with another book. I think it was a little bit of a almost writing being a redemptive process. You know what I mean? He's kind of like, right, I've went through this really bad time.
I'm still going through it. I'll probably be going through it for the rest of my life about like addiction, alcoholism, addiction to cocaine. And this was his therapy. So it's quite good that he actually had Paul live.
Yeah. It was the bat. He was battling these demons and Paul was becoming more hit. So for all the, and he was created off the back of his demons, Paul was his salvation.
Yeah. So to have Paul not win would mean, would he not win? Exactly. I know, I can't even, I know King's been mixed up.
But I just think with the movie side, it's so bleak. It's so, as the text said, it's like full of misery. I just think it would be a fight thing. Oh yeah.
No, it's not misery. Slash, rainbow is a nightmare. No, I just think it would have been quite fun to have. I think I would have, but again, it's different people, different things.
Cause I think everyone likes to have like a story where like, the bad guy doesn't win or anything. And this was like, he's early 90s as well, where they didn't have much, like they were scared to do things like that then. Or because of it. I don't particularly like, I know it's probably the worst.
I've been spoiled with the Boogendom. And this movie is, I'm not going to like this movie is so close to the Boog. It's quite scary. There is obviously a lot of things that have been changed because Timon and written, as I said earlier, obviously the hobble and incident.
Oh yeah, he loses his foot and he's thumb. Yeah, he's thumb. He's stealing it. He's literally, she's taking bits and pieces from him in the food.
Okay. I don't know what that's not going to be as joyful. It's to do with it. It's to do with the typewriter.
It's a type of type of type. It's something to do with the typewriter. It's a complaint about it. It's a complaint.
It's not more case that because it's the first, the end. It's not an end. There's not an end. So you want to get to read misery in misery.
You get to read the boogies writing with it. Shit, by the way. And you get to read the misery boog. And you get to see where he's wrote the ends in all the way through.