Yeah Yo, what's going on everybody? It's your boy Devon and Jay right here back. It's twice born radio. We backed this episode 96,032 but it's episode two and a half and I have our current season man and thank everybody for all those We you know listening on our first episode back got some feedback guys and people who joined up subscribe That was really dope.
We're working hard man to get more episodes out tonight is gonna be the next one up man It's gonna feel a little different right a little different Jason's um that was really important man Like we are clearly you know, disciple of Christ where we are firm believers in Jesus not everything We talk about is gonna be Jesus stuff in that sense, right? Yeah, we got some non-Jesus tonight. Yeah, man. Yeah, it's okay So I want you to set it for the people the way you set it up for me So here's the thing I this would I want to set this up the comments right y'all got to jump in the comments because we want to know What y'all think about what we're getting ready to talk about and this is only for people who understand good music if you have bad music case Get out the chat man.
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All right, so check this out so I'm a part of some groups and there was a trivia question that And the trivia question was as follows which is a greater album Mary J Blige what's the 411 or The miseducation of Lauren Hill Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do and go No, what was your response? I want people to know what your response was oh so my response was instant instantaneous Lauren Hill and the reason for that would be a couple different things number one. I think the album was monumental I think what it did for women at the time was monumental And what I mean by that is if you think about the time when that particular album came out Yeah, the female artists that were out from a rap perspective We're talking about sex and everything had to do with sex sex sex sex And if I can't wrap I'm gonna sell you my body And if I can wrap I'm gonna sell you my body because that's the only way I can sell albums and she came out with an album that told you to respect yourself and in her telling you to respect yourself she gave you pride in who you are yeah and to me it was amazing because she had a an awesome blend of Singing and rapping she gave you pure bars now granted I think she only wrapped on a couple of the tracks She had more rap songs with the foodies that she's solo but But I will say that the the album the mis-education of Lauren Hill is by far way more iconic And also if we're talking about record sales and also in diamond. Yes, it did it also went diamond people forget that she was putting up Absolutely you got to remember that and I will say this and this is you know Just my counter my only counter was is that the negative to her album had nothing to do with her album for me It had to do with the fact that there was no follow-up Which is which is valid which is valid now?
I want to give context so so So what's the 411 came out in 1992 July of 1992 here were this is gonna blow your mind bro Here were the number one songs number one R&B songs in the same year and I want you to tell me where real love stacks up to it Real love was one of them. Okay. That was her single off of what's a 411 here are some of the other ones Humping around Bobby Brown Hey, mr. DJ our Kelly and public announcement look at this now.
This is crazy I didn't even always came out the same year. That's interesting come and talk to me Jodicey Absolutely baby baby baby TLC. Here's the killer one. Okay end of the road boys them in absolutely Yes, if I ever fall in love shy Come on, bro, and here's the one okay, and here's the one No ordinary love shawty That's a that's a 92 bro.
Those are the top army songs 92 real and there were some other ones I think along with you by tapping Campbell was in there I'll be sure I had right now in there fruit has we know I mean I feel like I feel like there had to be like some Tony Braxton because this isn't at the round the same time boomerang came out Yes, yes, and this and this is yes, maybe that was 91 92 so you had other things like a ain't too proud to beg I will always love you Whitney Houston came out that same year. That's you okay That's probably bigger than than most of them now. This is my personal favorite PM Don I died without you that you're a sister's fire fire. That was a power 106 original real talk dog.
What about your friends? Oh, okay, here we go Tony Braxton So I will say this and that's interrupt you but to interrupt you I will say this I think TLC Boys to men and Jodicey ruled that time frame though. Okay, but there's one I left out those three and I know But I'm only talking about like from a our group R&B group perspective. Okay, those three were running it Yeah, I agree.
I was gonna say I did not know that crisscross jump came out during that time, but that's not RV But but you have to be They make sense. Yeah, I mean absolutely because we weren't even getting that much less post music at the time not because Death row hadn't become a thing yet. No, they were they were still I think they were recording during that time But they maybe maybe snips first single might have been out but that might be it so Our identification of music from being on the west coast we were just listening to mostly East Coast stuff Yes, that's all we were being fed right don't get me wrong for those of you from the west coast I'm not saying that DJ quick and mca and all these people don't exist But what I'm saying is is that our airways will run by mostly East Coast. Yeah, now now let me let me do this because I want to be fair This so so so so miseducation came out during 98 August 98, okay, so here were the here were the songs Of 1998 all my life Casey and Jojo, okay nice and slow usher No, no, no Destiny's child Here's one the boy is mine brandy and monica.
That's why that came out then And here's and here's what's crazy most of the top the top songs in 98 were either brandy monica or usher Deborah Cox Nobody's supposed to be here. Now lo and he was in the business super one off by the way super one off Mariah Carey my all nobody really remember that now here's what's crazy I don't know if you remember this word. I used to get this dude confused all the time uncle sam I don't ever want to see you again. I don't know if you remember that.
I don't ever want to see you again Give me a ball head black dude You remember the song I remember the song, but I do not remember what he looked like. I never saw a video for it Oh, you know what I may have seen that video actually you did you definitely did still during the video era though Yes, absolutely during the video era matter of fact speaking of video era It's all about me my insisco that was her introduction into the world you remember that deja vu lore to recompeteer guns Yes My way came out I'm sorry. Did you just mention getting jiggy with it? Well, that's what will smith was really like?
I'm not trying to downplay it, but I am I like this all but but it was y'all feel like It's not okay. Let me ask you this. Let me just ask you this question and you know where we're way off on the tangent But this is what we do If I was to ask you What would be the top three respected will smith songs will get jiggy where they'd be on there? Respected You don't have to treat it like two different eras because parents just don't understand Clearly summertime all that like that era for him Was the l cool jay, you know mama said knock you out spiel back down And then when he when everything flipped to like live on the beat of loka He was you know The miami song and men in black and the wow wow west song and he just kind of venture Yes, but what those but where those really artistry or were those just like, you know Title joints for movies that he was doing and and somewhat kind of corny they were all corny every single one of them ended up being in the number one spot Absolutely, no, I agree with you That's that's the part that's wild.
So what let me guess if i'm not mistaken. I didn't boom boom shake the room Uh, please don't do this tonight. Please. I don't listen.
Okay. Listen. Okay. So here it is I'm gonna give you the Grammy nominations for best r&b album in 98 what's interesting is that I think she submitted hers Too late so we end up on the next year It may have been Because you know what's funny the best r&b album nominations for 98 was a baby face the day Share my world mary jblige Evolution boys to men flame by patty lebell and the preacher's wife soundtrack.
I'm sorry Patty the bell patty lebell dog in 98. Yep. So here it is. So laurin hills.
Oh, that makes sense It actually makes sense. So her nomination would have came in 99 for laurin hill. So so here's where it was for her in 99 Money No limit boy. I'm not we don't want to talk about that air because that right there was a whole game.
Hmm Now miss. Okay, so here were Oh my god So let me just start off by saying miseducation won the Grammy for best r&b album in 99 It won like 12 grammys. No, no, really I think it did it it went like several of them, right? Yeah, it won best r&b album best new artist best female r&b song and best r&b song Yeah, that's regular r&b song right no artist of the year This is best new artist.
So I'm saying how to pad that category then too. Yeah, that's that's true The categories of awesome sometimes I think they evolve categories to appease people but go ahead. Yeah. So here.
So here we're here. Here were the See, I think I think this is oh, this is okay. This is interesting. This is interesting Here we go.
Oh my gosh. Yeah Okay This is good First of all, I just want to say about what I'm getting ready to tell you a lot of this is It's wild shit. God dog. I forgot that um your boy was around that time too.
Uh, d'Angelo Oh It's about 98 right? Yeah, absolutely I'm trying to find that would have been that would have been the brown sugar album Yeah, buddy because I think the bootle came out of 2000 Yeah, bootle was another game changer. I don't think that one ended up winning Um, I had a change because it was not showing me. I don't think it was showing me what was right I will also say this there was a huge difference between our accessibility in the grammys in 98 versus 92 Yes, yes.
Yes. Yes, that's absolutely true. That's absolutely true But we're also not making the argument based on awards one either No, it's not I think what's interesting is for me I keep and we haven't said it yet, but I think the real truth is the problem that we have with mary j belage And I have no problem saying this and you've already said it. She is not a good singer Correct.
She's passionate. Very passionate. Not a good one tremendous entertainer taking nothing from her her art But she is not a good singer listen in the It's queen of hip-hop soul right that sounds about right. I think it's queen of hip-hop soul That that is something that did not exist before no I don't think it's I think she's the only one to ever have that Oh, no because because now the princess of hip-hop soul is key to call um, there's several people who who can't really Hold the note, but they can keep the the passion alive.
Um, that that now exists Um, but I'm go ahead because I really want you to get to that point that you made earlier too Well, who she really go up against yeah, so like This has always been my theory I feel like the 90s was some of the greatest music we've ever had as an era personally. I thought the 90s held that But I also feel like well, I guess yes new jacks wing I also like my genre you know Y'all understand when I say jay is a fan of new jacks wing like he puts his like apple music Like like radio station on new jacks wing. He don't move from it. He don't just like the hits He likes anything that sounds like new jacks wing.
It's hilarious. Oh man. Just I pay Friday night I will give you like this got paid Give me the the ones that weren't even like I mean they were great singles, but you know one hit wonders There were plenty of one get wonders in new jack for sure. You wait you were not lying But see this is this part of what gets you an r&b and why mary j blinds was able to ascend we let people get away with murder Yes, they could vocally be horrible But if they were just I shouldn't say horrible they were not as good like let's Francis You know and I hate saying this but like john b Is not necessarily a great singer We had people like rome who were singing?
Come on. You don't understand like Like if we were blowing these stars up. Hey dog. I'm just saying like there was that song was fired.
Oh, it was I'm listen. I am not mad. I am not mad. Listen case couldn't sing They put case and joe on the same song.
We were like oh, that's good balance Okay, you know I got thoughts about that but Think that you could see huh case made me feel like I could see yeah You were like man one of us. He was easy. He was easy. He was absolutely easy and and to be all the way with you Like you just said now i'm from passeredina and you know how we feel about john b In the day, but he ain't no like soul singer.
You can't put him up there with no jeffrey osborn or No, no, no, you know, oh just writing or you know you can't put him up there with the greats is just a Dude, it holds that he can have people to know and let's be honest. Had he not had Babyface setting him up. See baby. Oh, you can you can hide bad voices with babyface music Babyface was throwing lives don't like I don't think people understand just how just how much people got christopher williams Was a power singer that could not sing donny old john Had no business Singing like donny we were like oh donny where I want to be We Had a run where he said oh no And we took that we were like yeah, I want to hear it again dog replay it this 99 point one kgji put it on the top five Well, we were we were asking for that so so marie jeblage comes up in that right at the tail end of the 90s though I think what made laura so incredible was she was a female emcee and she could sing No shade to other people but like and we had good singers like right karaie whitney We clearly had good singers in the 90s, but i'm saying the stuff that was Were you starting to see in the trend shift was when you saw him laura and he'll come out with this education And she was singing I guess we call it conscious r&b if you want, but it was Yeah, and she also proved that she could sing before the album right with you know killing me softly That was the real proof that she could sing because that was acapella dog And i'm glad you said that just you know quick part you know, we're birdified guy today I forgot to say that today.
Yeah, we're birdified guy today. Oh, wow. So i'm sorry. You said you said killing me.
You said killing me I just reminded me of that. Yeah, yeah, but you absolutely right you absolutely right Right, the straight up a river today, man. Yeah, man. Yeah, man Yeah, man, and again like i'm sure every era is gonna feel like they had the best because every era you know the next era was building off of that You know, i'm sure laura would yeah, absolutely plenty of props though, but okay, okay, okay Okay, so maybe this is gonna transform into why the 90s is the greatest art is the greatest era of music That's what it really is.
We're being honest. No, we're gonna have to we're gonna have to do a whole show on that because This conversation if we go there we ain't talking about nothing else. No, no, we definitely ain't because i'm just looking at this list This is so crazy dog in 93. We had tevin cambo cam.
We talked but by 96. We had jin you wine pony Do you understand how much of a difference that is in three years in r&b that you're seeing temple and show up now? Temple and oh temple and oh my gosh Now jin you want another one? jin you why can't you?
I cannot say he was a light skin dude with curly hair And was about as thin as a rail. So he had six back. That was it. That was it.
That was it and he was dancing And I mean it dances behind off man. Listen, shut up. You know, you know, you made a resurgence You know with that ride the waves are right the way right a dog, but What's interesting now is you know, there's a viral video of trace songs going on going around right now Where people are realizing that trace on spit and sick can't say so so they just now figure out that he's been yoling the whole time Okay, so here's the thing so you and I understood the man couldn't sing up front We understood that right but these not people this new generation y'all drive me nuts So like now they have this new trend called the hashtag the mic is on so like these artists are having to prove they can sing without the mic And it's only the people who came up in the 90s who can sing you have your absolutely You have some but what are these cats? Absolutely your studio singers they are studio singers They have production to back them up to clean it up and all that stuff You hear them live you're disappointed and they spend more time going like this with the microphone out to the crowd You know to sing along because they want you to sing the lyrics and they know that if they sing to you're gonna block out I have a little behind the scene story.
I don't think I've ever told anybody this story I'll be told you about this story. We got hired to do a gig And don't ask me how I ended up in this position, but there was a group called B2K And one of the members had gone solo. This is like right around the amarvian stage. His name is little fizz Okay, shout out little fizz.
Little fizz was like I'm gonna do a show Somewhere. I don't know where we were anyway. The opener for little fizz was Donnyo Jones We get to the show And all this supposed to happen is Donnyo Jones is going out to do two songs We supposed to go out and do our set so we just stayed on the side of the stage waiting for him to finish his second second He got on there and started off with I forgot when his second single was it was that fast joint it was that fast pace one Anyway, he sounded so bad He sounded so bad. They booed him off the stage They booed him off the stage.
They would not stop booing and they ended up canceling the show all together So fizz didn't even go up because he sounded so bad the crowd was screaming for a refund during the opening act Bro when I tell you That was the most eye-opening moment of my life. I was like yo They really can make you a star with zero talent Was this a big event or was this like at like, you know, it was Kiteboy's club. Listen it might as well have been there We were the venue held like 500 people there might have been a people in the venue So it wasn't even like a solo game, but clearly one loud complaint can can project a lot, you know It was everybody but everybody was mad and it was an ie somewhere. I want to say like Ontario I'm turning the part of my for all I knew but yo, dog That but it opened my eyes man that like they're really like like like there was a moment where we let people get away with stuff But like when you sang live like that was that's that was the difference you couldn't go viral in the 90s You know, so like actually not like people are just now watching footage of our Kelly live Like y'all didn't know he sounded like that.
Y'all didn't know he was y'all didn't know right like people are just starting to see footage of Aliyah singing live Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Shout out to baby girl a no shade on her name whatsoever R Kelly you can do whatever But but that like that's that's the difference between the end of the 90s with Miss Education and the beginning of the 90s with Mary Jay It was like I'm gonna eat because y'all love it but like go back and listen to her and met the man You're all I need to get by you can literally hear her voice struggling to stay on key And what it was But you know what the truth of the matter is for that particular song It was the griminess that made the song work. Yes, you know what I mean because yes number one you're taking you're taking a Marvin Gaye song Right, which which you know, well, it's Marvin Gaye time each a real Fire right absolute fire, but you're putting her with methan man and your hip hop in it And you're making it like and then and then the undertone of the beat So it was like you just grindy the whole thing so she didn't have to sound good You know what I'm saying? So like the industry made it so that hey just keep doing it because we can make it work We can make it work.
We'll sell it this way. And this is why this is why I started to hate watching things like um American Idol Because you notice season by season that people started to come in with the look not the talent the look Because all they wanted to do was sell the look. Yeah Wasn't even about that because to be told Maya was the look Yeah, no god bless my mom and she is not a singer. She's a great dancer What was the other girl um the other girl that made the big huge mistake of going up against Beyonce for some reason the girl is saying uh one thing Amari Amari smash it.
It's this one thing She wasn't even supposed to be singing that that album was done for her producer to put his stuff out And here we are and you but you just said it she made the big mistake Yeah, why would you do that? Try to call out Beyonce I'm gonna I'm gonna list the names of the songs on the on on this what's the 401 album and I want you to tell me if you remember these songs Okay, okay First song is leave a message. Nope Second song reminisce I'm gonna play a little bit of it. Yeah, cuz I think the melody might be a little bit lost on me Let it keep let it keep.
Oh, absolutely. Oh, yeah. No. No, I know that one.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Of course real love Right.
We know that one You remind me Um Hold on Yeah, yeah, okay non singers non singers non singers what you just heard Was what it what we let people get away with especially because they didn't have pitch control listen to this again Now I hope you heard what I heard Her and the keyboard were having a literal Pitch battle like one of us is gonna be right. Okay. Here goes the next song intro talk. It's her and bust around you remember that song?
Nope, okay. Now. I love us. This one you remember she redid sweet thing Yeah, I mean but not because of her her rendition ain't better than the original to me I want you to hear the first part of this verse this shot out to Mary J.
Blythe just not a bad suggestion No, not at all You know, if you I'm just telling you if you're a singer and you're listening to that you're going where who? Fix it. Who approve this who approve this? Okay.
Next song love no limit. You probably don't remember that one I do remember that one. Oh, you do. Okay.
I don't want I don't want to do anything Nope her in case. Hey, slow down My love no changes. I've been going through and then what's the 411? Okay now let me read off in this education of Lauren Hill Come on.
Here are the tracks and I can use the melody on all of them. I all of them now the intro was the intro We don't necessarily count that lost ones. Yeah, X factor Oh the song she had design the do out that thing Great song by the way Zion is a great song. That's a dog.
He used to bring people to tears superstar final hour Mm-hmm when it hurts so bad Now here's what's funny. Here's what this is probably why this conversation has a link to what's the 411 She had a song called I used to love them featuring Mary J Blige On the same album if you go and listen to that song. I'm not gonna play it. You will hear the difference And what's the 411 versus what the miseducation lorn Hill is not even a comparison forgive them father every ghetto every city Nothing even matters for each link the Angelo just I mean you could stop right there Everything is everything the miseducation of lorn Hill can't take my eyes off of you.
Are you crazy? Are you kidding me? Come on. I was still back on forgive them father because I'm I don't That was fire bro.
I'm sorry man And she was singing on majority of this and every now and again she throw out a couple of verses rapping Yep, it is. I don't know who in your chat needs to hear this podcast But let them know that this is this is this is the ether this is the this is this is our Uh, not like a response to that. Yes that Drake like comparison that y'all just had that's crazy There is no way in the world Mary J Blige what's the for and god bless that album? It is not touching the miseducation lorn Hill at all not even close that question would be for you What would be the album that you would put above miseducation?
And I'm saying from your personal standpoint because clearly you know jay and I are like we're relatively in the same age group But 98 you were graduating 98 weren't you? I graduated in 97 97. Yeah, so I Was just learning how to talk to women 16 You know, that's a that's a tough one um because Yeah, because honestly the And I'm trying to stick with current music The closest thing that I would say from a current music standpoint has been snatched away because he's in jail What which um he's talking about Robert? It would be an archaeology album, but which one probably would be chocolate factory You gave the right album was just that I was just fired and honestly The reason why I love the chocolate back for so much is because he actually took it back and gave you renditions of you had Marvin Gaye They on there you had al green on there.
You had you know, you had some old school singers on this Even though yes, you didn't hear their voices you heard Arkeli doing them like writing songs Like if if he had wrote a song for Marvin Gaye, this is what he would have submitted But it sounded like people don't get that okay now. Let me also say this I'm an agreement that that is his best album. I would not put that above miseducation for myself For myself and I don't and I don't necessarily think that it's above miseducation But I'm saying something that's in the same vein like it's it's up there I don't even know what else would be up there because There haven't been that many good Full albums Since to be yes, but but I'm not gonna let you say well, maybe you are saying it Maybe you are saying it. Maybe you're saying I'm not gonna go with with with like a Michael Jackson album or nothing like that I'm saying that you as it right now.
You're saying that that is the best album ever to you Possibly but I'm not really a big I'm not really a big one album person. I'm more of a catalog person You like an artist. You're like an artist believer. So yeah, so like I love the catalog of Marvin Gaye Yeah, does he have some great albums?
Absolutely. He has like here my dear is one of his best albums But it got no like nobody bought that album. It's more cult classic. Yes.
Now. Let me say this I I know what I would put above it. I went out well. I have plenty of them There's one album that I from from beginning to end okay, I would put it above miseducation.
Let's hear it and that is Brandy full moon for me. Oh, yeah, Brandy full moon dark child's re-establishment like that And I'm trying to stay stay female but that album for me There's a few okay Now give me give me your give me the album that you love the album that you love that you're ashamed That you're ashamed of loving that you would not want people to know that you love that album that much Uh, you got to have one where you're like, you know what? I probably would never bump this in public, but I love this album And it's got the army it's got your army. Yeah, it could be any album because I actually liked cases first album Um, let me just say hold on.
Let me go see what that would be right. Yeah, but that's because I could sing it It made it so much easier, you know, he was doing nothing I couldn't do He did not do a single run that I could not do with him bro. Y'all can't see this. That's why Y'all can't find something better than him.
Look at case He needs to have a hat on. Yeah, I got it. That's him today. Yeah, he got a nougat head Hey, wait, are you talking about are you talking about the album with faded pictures on it?
Yes, the one with Beyonce too Um, Beyonce after Yeah, remember he had a feature with Beyonce before she was Beyonce was Beyonce was Beyonce was Beyonce. That's right But she was still a part of Destiny's Child Yeah, I think what you're talking about And that was it's a self title. It's called case case is the name of the album. That's 95.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's 95 I forgot touch me teasing me. I forgot that was on his album touch me teasing me. Yes. Yo, no That okay, so you just brought me Total as a total the the group total They they would be probably because they could not sing whatsoever.
Oh, oh At all I was like this is gonna hurt. Yeah, it actually was gonna hurt. No, we made fun of this. This kid's and you is no yes Hey, but it's the bottom is song though.
I can't explain it folks I love this song. It is the worst thing of the greatest song ever and I want this to be on record because I feel like our kids No I put like our kids and our grandkids are gonna listen to this podcast and be like Yo, what were they on fam like they gonna listen to what we're saying listen to and they gonna be like there's no way y'all thought this was the best era But you're missing it. You're missing it, man Because what we're telling you is even though they couldn't sing it was a vibe, bro. It was a vibe It was a vibe.
Oh, man. Yeah, total could not sing but when kissing you came on Boys, this is why y'all this is why y'all little young young people are afraid 112 cubic dog horrible singing slim is amazing song. Hey Hey, listen, I will backtrack and say this I heard 112 sing together live and they sounded amazing slim still sounded bad to me But again, that's why the people don't when you were getting ready to go to go to you You must get dropped off at the mall or you get ready to go down to whatever the movies whatever and you you get yourself together and you throw on that cool water And you you about to roll your pants leg up like elo cool jay, but your dad's eternity and your dad's because you Michael jacks or your michael jordan cologne Michael jordan, yeah, like when you were doing that and you had these songs playing you were about to you were the mat dog You were the mat these songs made you feel so confident, bro It makes you feel so i'm telling you dog like y'all want to understand what the 90s did for us The 90s taught us how to deal with each other We had to talk about a deal like we understood how to like we had movies y'all even have movies like this y'all doing remakes What we had y'all don't have house party Now I don't know what it means They don't have none of them joints And all that stuff was like there are no movies that come out today that you go back and watch like that unless it comes from Somebody from that era so from to your point the only movie that is current that I will go back and continuously watch because i'm more of a Comedy type of person so coming to america is my joint right? Yes I won't go back and keep watching dolomite because it's eddie murphy Yes, and because he has rewatch value.
Yeah, but today's movies do not like I can't sit there and keep watching kennedy heart movies over and over That's the one we'll see what's i'm good And i'm out but see this is what i'm saying for us the 90s had movies that were based on artists Like house party was built around kennedy play full force. Absolutely. Yes, man Like the music and the movies were like in order to sell the movie They had to get the artist and the soundtracks will be killing. Oh my goodness It's a great soundtrack of all time It's a great soundtrack of all time dog and people don't get like that's what i'm saying Like y'all missing out like when you think of the 90s i'm asking you a question what what is the greatest soundtrack of all time?
From what standpoint? Music the greatest soundtrack. I can't give you anymore because I don't want to lead you to the answer Which don't give me no star wars stuff because I know you're you know That's you can't say that because i'm like a jon Williams No, i'm talking about something you will put on today You're not going to put it on today Well, I do I do but i do that in the company my home If I had an embarrassing album it would be it would be that um The best soundtrack of all time Okay, let me be honest with you. I've been hit by a few different things like the preacher's wife Was a heavy soundtrack for me, but that I wouldn't put that in there, but i'm saying like that's where my mind goes I remember there's two that I can think of right now.
What are you saying? So number one all time is above the rim Okay, let me just look up the tracks on above the rim it is Bananas you're like wait a minute. Why all these songs on the same soundtrack I heard the songs before I saw the movie. I was not allowed to watch the movie until far later The movie the movie did not matter the soundtrack was amazing.
Don't get me wrong. The movie's great But yeah, I was 12 and I know the soundtrack was fire in case y'all don't know I'm just gonna give you a couple of these part-time lover aged down I'm just like you're never gonna see soundtracks with these artists again big pimp in the dog pound You out of control regulate you don't even come on man. Come on, bro Come on Aaron hulk dog afro puffs lady rage One y'all never man. Hey, hey, I heard this song on my sister sunfire who she's need love too Hey, dog.
I'm telling you it's not a great song necessarily, but that's all used to stick with me bro They used to stick with me dog fire come on man loyal to the game. That was a death row That was a death row um production anything Dude, I'm telling you I will give you that I will give you that that's For context and content that there's you're not gonna find a greater collection of music for that what's the second one the second one is Eddie Murphy holly berry Boomerang Dog, why don't I remember telling you bracks in boys to men And this is this is boys too. So this is the this is the second album time frame You might be on trolley wilson erin hall tony bracks and babyface Boys to men johnny gill chanese tribe call quest Straight r&b man. I'm gonna be honest.
This might be this might be better than above the room So like people don't even understand who Keith Washington was when you watch our old martin episode you young kids when you watch our dog erin hall and trolley wilson And see I know why you're saying this because that whole boomerang album was new jack. Nope. That's not why that's not why you're saying Let me see but that was new jack that you just pulled up for sure that was absolutely new jack Was off the boomerang soundtrack into the road That's our new jack in the road to the end of the road and and um tony bracks in words breathe again No, no left should have brought you home last night. Love should have brought you home See this is what I hate man.
I hate this that's babyface. That's what I'm saying. I love DJ. I love DJ mustard I love them man.
I love these dudes. I love these dudes who are coming out and doing this stuff. I love tambling I love dray. You already know how I feel about ronnie jerkins but like quick Uh Babyface like these cats had to play instruments bro to get that stuff to be pulled off and dray play a little bit too He don't really play play but he play enough dog.
This is this is wild bro I so I think I think what I would love to do so okay. This is what we're gonna do tell me tell me if you're We want to do it on the next episode but tell me if you're okay with this We should we can invite About two three or four more people to be on this podcast with us. Okay And we I think we should get a person From each generation I think we should do 90s. I think we should do 2000s.
I think we should do 2010s And I think we should have some I think we should have people representing each one of those 80s And we'll be but see what we're talking about is we're talking about hey day because I was born in 80s But the hey day was the 90s for me. Yes, an older cousin of mine would have been hey day of 80s We've been 80s right absolutely 80s. I think we should have and we probably should go live with it No, we can't go live. Let's not go live But let's do the podcast and we will make our claim for why our generation had the greatest music I think we should do that so full music not just hip-hop or r&b all the way through baby The genre that defined us.
I'm saying the generation defined as I'm talking rock I'm talking cuz I'm telling you right now 90s don't kill everybody I dare you to find a better rock song that smells like teen spirit. You ain't gonna find one dog We set the standard for y'all. Hey, man. I'm telling you I know I'm with you I just think the 80s is really really close From a rock perspective.
I'll give you that 80s rock. Well, there was a lot of good rock in the 80s It was but I'm sorry I mean technically you have a talc in the 80s too, but Metallica Green Day Smashing pumpkins like these are all the people coming out Near-front late 90s you get into grunge you do get into grunge and I love it all. That's what Green Day was I love it, man. Yeah, so see this is why I wanna like I'm gonna get my catalog together We're gonna find those people and I think I think we're gonna find out from these comments from this episode How many people actually invested in it, but I promise you if we were to have a which decade is better Matter of fact, you know what I'm gonna do.
I'm sure someone who's listening is gonna be like which you can't forget the 70s We might get somebody to say the 60s, but I'm sure somebody's gonna say something about the 70s The only reason why I don't want to go too far back is because the music was so different But by the time you came out of the disco era and into the 80s It had direct electronic instrumentation came in and it just flipped everything So I'm not against it But it's a little bit unfair because those like you can't say earth winded fire versus boys demand I don't know how to I don't know how to compare those two Earth winded fire going every time for me because I'm like in full was playing the instruments and singing yeah, but there was Yeah, okay. I got you you say I'm saying like it's a little unfair at that point You know, I mean I can't say get band and temptations and all the people who were like killing in the seven it really in the 80s too My mom was 11 11 all the people so let's just say 80s and If you find somebody who would you pick who represent the 70s for you? How like what age would they need to be right now? Uh Because I love you want to represent the 70s.
I would say like they have to be in their 50s Actually, maybe 60s maybe 60s pushing 60 because because they would be because if I'm if I'm 44 and I was born in 80 Yeah, and my heyday is the 90s Then yep, then I'm 10 years older than the age. Yeah. Yeah, that would make sense. Wow Wow, okay, I think it's gonna be good.
So please please send this to that chat. Jay Please I'll look you at it. Yeah, but you know, but listen y'all if you have listened to this podcast today Well, we want you we want you to put your comments in we are as I already stated We are looking to do something different with this expanded down the line And I ain't talking like a long time away But like give us a few episodes to get some other subjects in but put the comments in soundcloud Facebook, I don't care wherever we post this give us the commentary So we I want to see I want to see because I'm sure some of y'all right now are so offended By the Case and Uncle Sam and all your little all your little friends. We can't say My uh Come on man.
My uh, yeah, please stop Can we be honest missy Elliott sings better than my uh? Well, yeah, if you want to be really honest missy Elliott had no reason no reason to rap She should have been singing the whole time because her rap to me is horrible. Oh, you guys think about remember she no She came in with he he he he how? That was her tagline.
Okay, first of all what we're not gonna do is disrespect. No That That is her tagline Remember she went a long time with no albums and just features Right, she was just featured on a whole lot of people stuff and what she did on everyone's stuff was he he he he how? It wasn't until I can't stand the rain so you finally got a chance to see her as a full artist Well, let me be honest. I'm gonna read you just a few a few of the lines out of the rain I don't think it's helping her case It's not at all when the rain hits my window.
I take in me some indo Me and timbaland ooh, we sang a jangle We so tight that you get our styles tangled Sway on dozy doe like you loco. Can we get kinky tonight like cocoa so so You don't want to play with my yo-yo. I smoke hydro on the deal. Oh, I can't stand the rain Who does that sound like the greatest rapper of all time?
So the shocker who wrote that? No, magoo That's what that sounds like please sounds like you're boy magoo. Please leave magoo out of this Y'all I think you have a second where we just break down. Uh, we'll just break down rapidly.
Yes, here. Absolutely Timbaland and magoo were the Timbaland was great, but magoo good god almighty Okay, I feel like you can mask a lot under a great timbaland beat though You can ask a lot because I'm gonna bounce away. I'm not gonna say all the words because magoo was all one I fiend for all beats like girls jump for don't salt the next man. Keep the Lindenburg Up in the cut like like prison dudes in the bookie the boogie jumps to me.
That's what I want that is That's what's on it. Yes, I'm black with any name. I race should be much Doc magoo was out of here. You hear me out of here and we were to send their going here Jay when I see these lyrics you go fall out of your go back.
You go back. Let's do your own time And he says evaluate this rap take heed. I'm a genius Man Shout out to shocker shout out magoo Oh, oh, oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, lyrics. We're gonna leave them out of the night.
Well, they're not the 90s. Thank god That's that's when they're two thousand. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, thank god. All right, man That was it.
I had a fun time on this episode man. I needed tonight. Wait, did you give your actual answer though? Do what oh no you said you said lorn Hill for sure.
Oh, yeah Oh, I wanted you to say about the the one artist that you feel like Mary Jay should go up against versus a lorn Hill Just just real quick. Oh, who I think are we saying her album or hers an artist? Album or artist I would say probably artists more than anything right? I think that's the comparison you were making when you said it wasn't more of an artist or yeah, I mean if we're talking This gonna sound bad and nobody's gonna agree with me on this, but I've always equated Mary Jay Blige to like It's like Alicia Keys I listen I am I'm what they call a Supreme Hater when it comes to Alicia Keys And I hate saying that because she does she does make great music Mary Jay Blige is 54 years old She makes great music, but I both I feel like both of them as artists got away with stuff because they had a thing that kind of kept them Absolutely, you know, I'm saying that machine behind them.
Yeah, I think that's a far more difficult comparison Right to kind of figure that out Then it is Lauren Hill like Lauren. He'll only need a one album to prove her case I think Alicia and Mary needed multiple albums To kind of even give you an idea because outside of Western 411. I mean you got the The other one we just talked about the loved one Um, you know, you have a couple of those but for the most part like like like name all of Alicia Keys albums And I'm done All I can think of is that one Fallen right because that that that single came out like almost a year before her album And I actually had this like exclusive little threesong CD that they were handing out somewhere I don't know some club or something and but I used to bang that's all because I thought it was cool But at the same time I realized she wasn't doing anything in it that was like special it was more of the music than it was the singing and Here's the last point I make on mary j blige. It does not make sense that faith is not As high as mary j blige.
Yes. I think because of the way faith was presented to us You know for those who I know a lot of people are already know this and they're kind of like watching clips or doing interviews and stuff But faith was so tightly joined to biggie Yes, that it was hard. It was almost like the same thing that was with uh puff and kim It was just it's hard to separate her as an artist from From that you know i'm saying like had faith just come out and just been her I think she would have had far bigger sand But it's just like well, but here's the thing they technically had the same production. They had the same machine behind them But it was I don't know why mary was pushed more than faith.
I just don't know it doesn't make sense to me I think because I don't know how you push faith and biggie at the same time You should understand like especially them coming from the same camp open coming out of aboy so like For me, I just I don't know. I feel like mary took advantage of the season that she was part of aboy too, right? Not not like that. No She was affiliated.
She got most of her production from them. Yeah, she was affiliated, but she wasn't like puffed in that control of her Puffed in control of her. Oh, he didn't. Oh, I thought he did.
No, but but but but for faith Yeah, yeah, you know what i'm saying? So I feel like had she been in a different contact or a different light she could have man Her and Eve are two artists that I feel like never got a chance to really be what they could have been I got one more for you who tweet. You know, listen, I'm a tremendous tweet fan A tremendous tweet. I still feel like right now vocally.
She's up there. Oh She can kill right up there with right now, but like I don't think like anybody from this generation would even know what we did I don't think they would have contacts for her name I think we would put on no because they would have to deep dive into the timber linero And they're not I don't think they're gonna do that. I'm gonna do that. The tweet is now.
You know her daughter sings with tight ribbon Really? Yeah Tishana Tishana. She's think so the girl that's singing with her on the album. Yeah, and when she's like a little girl.
She's now She's now with tight ribbon nice super cool. I love it. All right, y'all. This is good.
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