EPISODE · Apr 29, 2024 · 28 MIN
MMT50 - 234
from Meeting Malkmus - a Pavement podcast · host Dewvre Podcasts & Such
This week on the program, Alex from Portland talks about his Pavement Origin story with jD before they gab about song 34!Transcript: Track 1[1:00] It's Half a Canyon. Ryan, from Soundtrack Your Life, what are your initial thoughts about this song?It's a great song. I really like this song.For some reason, for a long time, I thought this was the last song on Wowie Zowie.It kind of has that epic, you know? Yeah, it has that epic finale,you know, with how it ends and just this big jam of chaos.Hey, this is Westy from the Rock.Track 3[1:33] Roll Band, Pavement, and you're listening to The Countdown.Hey, it's JD here, back for another episode of our Top 50 Countdown for SeminoleIndie Rock Band, Pavement.Week over week, we're going to countdown the 50 essential pavement tracks thatyou selected with your very own Top 20 ballads.I then tabulated the results using an abacus and a pool cue I broke over my knee in a moment of rage.How will your favorite song fare in the ranking? You'll need to tune in to find out. So there's that.This week we're joined by Pavement superfan Alex from Portland.Alex, how you doing, motherfucker? Fucking great, JD. How are you?Oh, man, I am stellar right now. I am feeling good. Yeah.How about you? Feeling good myself. I apologize if my vocal cords crack.I decided to sing karaoke last night. Oh, nice.Yeah. What'd you sing?Rocks Off by the Rolling Stones.Oh, wow. I went really, really hard in my Jagger mode, too.So if I sound like a mid-pubescent boy, that's why.Track 3[2:50] That's great. Well, what do you say we talk about pavement? I'm so ready.All right. Hit me with your pavement origin story.It goes like this. So I am a millennial. I was born in 1990.So when they were doing their initial, when they were an active band recordingmusic and touring originally, I was way too young to be a part of it or even know about it.But how I came to Pavement is, I was 15. This would have been 2005.We had a local coffee shop where I'm from, a small town in Indiana.And you would walk down there on a given night, and there would be live music.It was usually acoustic bands.And we were there, me and a couple friends of mine.And we're watching this like i don'tknow kind of like weird sort of indieband they were acoustic but they were still kind of like doingheavier stuff and they were catchy and interesting and weirdand the lyrics didn't really make any sense and iwas fascinated like at 15 years old the shit was blowing my mind and i was likehell yeah dude this band's great and i look over and we see Matt the cool kidand Matt's like this mysterious kind of you know all the boys want to be himall the girls want to be with him he's shout out to Matt that kid was just the coolest kid in our town.Track 3[4:17] And I remember going up to Matt after the show andsaying like man that band we just watched was reallycool and he he takes like you know a probably afive second drag of a cigarette just goes they're justripping off pavement man oh wowand i uh i had never i didn't knowwho that was but of course i'm trying to be cool for cool matt soi'm like yeah dude totally totally ripping offpavement yeah they're they're way better so ii rushed home i open up lime wireof course yeah i've been pavement intothe search bar and and by the way i did want touh i wanted to reiterate something i wrote intoyou when you were doing your old show uh in2005 if you opened up you knowa peer-to-peer illegal downloading appuh and you typed in pavement harness yourhopes was by far the top thingthat would come up really even on limewire even back then it wasn't even closelike it was harness your hopes with however many thousands or hundreds of thousandsof downloads And then I think cut your hair was like number two,but it was down by quite a margin.That's wild. So harness your hopes has been the fan favorite for a lot longerthan people have noticed.Track 3[5:37] I wonder if that's because people were looking, you know, if they're lookingfor pavement, like the idea of a B-side is so savory, you know,and B-sides weren't always easy to get.Yeah it's it might just be theirlike you know undisputed best song and everyonejust knows it or something i don't know but i heardit and i just i walked away with two thoughts after listening to that whichis one this doesn't actually sound anything like that band i just heard at thecoffee shop and number two this is definitely my new favorite band the the wordblew my mind the The guitars were kind of jangly,but also kind of grungy, which like jangle pop and grunge are pretty much my whole wheelhouse.And they sort of combined them seamlessly into one thing. And I'm like, yeah, dude, I'm all in.And from then on, they've, you know, my favorite bands shift,but they've been in the top five ever since. Wow.Track 3[6:36] So when you when you finally decided to jump away from LimeWire and purchaseyour first record, what was the CD or cassette?What was it? What did you end up with out of the shoot? dude?Oh, wowie zowie. That was the one that I was just like, my favorite,you know, my favorite record is definitely wowie zowie.So when I had the chance to purchase it, I had the vinyl.I used to have a picture, but I was wearing, I was wearing a shirt of a band that's now canceled.So I deleted the picture off social media, but I had a picture of me holdingup the smooth blank fourth side of that record yes if you know that record isuh it's it's two and a half side wow.Track 3[7:23] Or three sides yeah yeah yeah you knowwhat i'm saying it's it's a record and a half yeah absolutelyit's yeah yeah i wasso fascinated by that and uh yeah i i'm i'm now a completist i've got all thei've got all the reissues i've got all the you know lux and redux and and allthat basically everything that i could get my hands on and yeah i'm the samei'm the same every Every time I come up with something new,it's like, man, and we're recording this,you know, uh, in February right now.So we've heard of this seven inch box set coming out, but we don't know whatit is, uh, and what it will entail.I'm very curious about it, if it's going to be a must purchase or not.I mean, it's going to be just because I'm a completist. Even if it's not myfavorite or whatever, Terror of Twilight is my least favorite pavement album,but you better believe I bought that thing when it came out a couple of years ago.Yeah. Well, we waited so goddamn long for that.Track 3[8:31] So they really over-delivered, I thought. I thought we waited a long time forit, but it was completely worth the wait once I put the records on my turntable.And so, you know what else I waited a long time for and finally got in,I think it was September of 2022, was I got to see them live for the first time.Oh, I was just going to ask you about shows. September 2022.So where was the venue? In Portland. Well, in Troutdale, which is like northeastof Portland, but they have a venue out there that was big enough to kind ofsuit the size of the show.Gorilla Toss opened for them. I'm a pretty big fan of them.We're in their like hyper pop era, which is really fun.I think I saw them on the road with Gorilla Toss as well.I think I'll have to ask Tim from Portland because he's got a way better memorythan me, but we saw them in Toronto.Track 3[9:29] And I'm pretty sure Gorilla Toss was one of the opening bands and I enjoyed it.Yeah, yeah, I had a blast at that show. Also, one little funny tidbit,when they played Rangelife,Malkma found a way to work in All Cops Are Bastards into the Run From the Pigs,the Fuzz, the Cops, the Heat.He somehow worked that lyric into there, and the crowd went absolutely apeshit.That was the most excited the crowd got on it. He definitely knew he was playingto a Portland crowd. It was really neat.That is cool. Cool. Well, I mean, he's a transplant now, right?He's part Portlander at this point.He's been here a lot longer than I have. Yeah.Also, I wanted to mention another cool thing that happened much more recently,about a month ago on my birthday, actually.Dinosaur Jr. played Portland at the Revolution Hall.All and what i don't know if you've been following their tour or not or if you'reeven a fan um i didn't catch the band sorry dinosaur jr oh okay yeah dinosauryeah yeah yeah so they've been like.Track 3[10:48] And they've been getting like a local musician from whatever city they're playingin to like join them for a song on stage their whole tour.And like, I think it was I think when they were in Philly, they got Kurt Vileto go up with them, stuff like that.And when they were in Portland, you know, guess who the special guest was thatcame out and sang a song with them.I fucking saw that. I saw some video. Yeah. How spoiled were you that night?It was amazing. It was like two of my favorite 90s bands getting up there andjamming out together on one of their best songs.And it was just a lot of fun, and I enjoyed it.To see J and SM dueling guitars would be fucking so cool.They're both so different, but so good, you know?Oh, yeah. With the guitar.Track 3[11:45] Yeah, it was phenomenal. phenomenal also they're they'redoing uh where you've been in its entirety and that'smy favorite dinosaur album so and itwas my birthday and i was like yeah the the universe kindof gave me this as a present like you know gotto see malchmus get up there so it was a lot of fundude that does sound like fun god damn it that's fun well what do you thinkshould we get into to track 34 i think i'm ready to get into it then let's dothis we'll be back on the other side with track 34 hey this is bob nastanovichfrom pavement uh thanks for listening.Track 1[12:23] And now on with a countdown 34.Track 3[15:23] Okay, we are back. You heard it here first.The first song from the original version of Slanted and Enchanted to appearon the countdown, Loretta Scars.Alex from Portland, how are you feeling about Loretta Scars?It's a great song. I've got all kinds of thoughts on it, but,you know, it's on Slanted and Enchanted, which is a great album.It's slanted and enchanted is the least uh varied album in my opinion like,most of the songs on it are kind of of one vibe and this is definitely no exceptionum i think it's a great vibe i i enjoy it but uh yeah um i guess if i can start.Track 3[16:14] Out the gate with With my only really negative take on it. Sure.It kind of feels like. Like the meme of like. Hey mom can we stop for summerbabe. No we have summer babe at home. And it's this.Track 3[16:30] They're different chords. But they're played in the exact same structure.And the drum beats the same. It's that classic Gary Young. Boom boom.You know. Kind of thing. But it's still a great song. I'm definitely not shittingon it at all, and I'm ready to say all good things from here on out.I just figured I would get that out first.Well, hit me. Hit me with some good stuff. Hit me with your best shot, Pat Benatar.So, when you... Okay, how do I put this?When you're listening to the bulk of the lyrics are just, how can I,how can I, how can I make my body shed for you? you body shed around your little scars.If you're listening to the how can I, how can I part, it sounds like he's likedrunk or something, like he's slurring it, like he's not keeping up with the rhythm.Yeah. So just earlier today as a fun little exercise, what I tried to do wassing it myself in a way that would fit the meter and it's impossible.Really? Yeah, you can't do it. There's no way. I don't know if it's becauseHow Can I is three beats and the song's in 4-4, but for whatever reason,you can't really make it go with the beat.And yet, when it gets to...Track 3[17:52] Make my body when he comes in on body it'salways perfectly on beat again even though he like every time he does it itgets a little bit slower and more drawn out kind of drunker sounding uh he nailsit every time so i i really respect the way that the words are delivered from a standpoint oflike this shouldn't work but itdoes right yeah ican i can see that it's very sparse lyrically verysparse lyrically it's funny because uhlike one of the things i love about malchmus andit's the same thing i loved about david berman same thingi love about bob dylan dan behar sometimes neilyoung and joni mitchell is like you'll be listening toa song and you're so like emotionally invested andyou feel the power of it and it's sucha great song and then you're singing along and you stop and you're likei don't know what the fuck i'm singing about right now at all and that that'smost if not all malchus lyrics but yeah i would agree with that but this onei'm like you know and i i even did the thing where i went to genius just to see what they would have.Track 3[19:08] To say and uh you know it'sjust i think it's one paragraph that someonewrote in that just says like the narrator clearly doesn't know how to help theperson named loretta and it's like okay thanks for the information yeah that'sreally gets us nowhere but that but that's all you're gonna get you're gonnaget nowhere if you like i gave up a long time ago trying to like.Track 3[19:33] Grab any serious meaning from a lot of Pavement's catalog, if not all of it.Maybe Grounded is like, you know, doctors are these rich assholes that don'tgive a shit about people.You can grab that from Grounded, but most Pavement songs don't really...I don't think they have a meaning. I don't think that's the point.Track 3[19:56] Yeah, I think there's bits and phrases that you can glean something from,you know, thematically in a song.But few and far between is there like a narrative, which was so different whenhe released his first solo record.And all those songs had like total narratives, like protagonist,beginning, middle, end.And like, there's so many songs on SM's debut that showcase that he's not justsomebody who's just throwing phrases at a wall, but he's really got it.So I don't know, you know, like he told me when I spoke to him that he can compartmentalizePavement and his solo stuff.Track 3[20:40] But there's, to me, there's a little bit of bleed. There's a little bit of bleed on some songs.And I, of course I don't have them in top of my mind right now,but, uh, I tend to agree with you, but I think that there are some that,you know, yeah, no, for sure.And, and I'm, I'm just, of course I'm overgeneralizing, but like,so you're thinking about Loretta scars though.Like that's the, that's the song we're talking about right now. And I mean, I,I, I don't have, I don't know what your thoughts areon what the lyrics could possibly mean but i've gotten nothing yeah well whatis the deal with metal scars at one point he says metal scars how can i shedaround your metal scars like is this a robot is this like what the fuck manwell if it's a robot it's probably not loretta lynn.Track 3[21:32] Oh right yeah only only loretta i know of so yeah it's a not a common name.Track 3[21:39] Or cleveland's ex-wife from family guyi never watched family guy so you'reyou're better you're much better off for itwhat elsehave you got on loretta scars i anything muchelse i mean it's a tough this is a tough ask itthere's literally six lines youknow and then they're repeated it i like how you broke downthe music though there's about three chordsfor most of it there's the gary drum beatthat he does on summer babe um we couldtalk about gary's drumming though for a minute because i i understand me tooi don't i like and this has been said a million times by a million people includingpeople on your podcast um but you know westy is probably the more like.Track 3[22:33] Technically proficient and varied drummerbut gary's got this likecertain style of playing thisswag this kind of like vibe that he creates withthe way he hits the drums and it doesn'tsound like anyone else and i really appreciate thatfor what it is and you can tell gary's song rightaway yeah you're right you can tell a gary song right away ohyeah and this this is a great it likethis would be a good song to demonstrate that point if i was going to play asong for someone and be like this is gary young drumming you know yeah thiswould be the one you would choose it would be it would it would be close i meanlike i said there it's the same drums on summer babe and then you've got uh.Track 3[23:22] What's the, what's the song after a flamethrower where it's only one like linethat he says over and over again?I can't remember the name of the song. Yeah, me neither.But that song is basically the same drum pattern.So whoever's going to be listening to your podcast is going to scream at thephone, whatever the name of that is.And good for them. I do that too.But, uh, yeah, no, it's, it's a good.It's a good example of that Gary Young drum sound, and I'm not a musician,so I can't explain it in technical terms, but because I am like a diehard musicobsessive, I know when I hear it and I know when I don't.Gotcha. And you like it. I love it. Yeah.I love it. I mean, I don't know if there's like a bad pavement song,even their like fuck around, throw away B-sides are usually funny.Track 3[24:18] Agreed yeah i i totally agree with you you know uh there's a lot of a lot ofgood stuff on the b-sides my question my next question for you though is wheredoes this song fit in the top 50 is it rated properly should it have been highershould it have been lower what do you think yeah Yeah,because I only know what like 47 through 50 are,it's difficult for me to like, it would be so much easier for me to come upwith my own top 50 if I knew if I could like argue yours, you know? Right.But yeah, just as far as it being fairly rated, no.Track 3[25:01] Yeah because i don't even know if it makes my top fiveon slanted but but it'salso a great song so agree yeahso would i put it inthe top 25 no but what i put it in thetop 50 yes so 33 sounds aboutright sounds about right yeah that's what i think it'sa top it's a top 40 song because it's fromthat debut record you know uh whichturned so many of us on to pavementnot me because i came so late tothe party and you you came late to the party but thosecool fucking mark kids matt itwas matt you said right yeah yeah hishis his cohort you know we're probablyinto slanted like you know not him specifically but his cohort we're listeningto slanted you know when it dropped and reading zines and whatnot every everylike town every city has got at least one of those mats and probably some of them are named mark and,yeah yeah they're they're always going to be a little bit cooler than you anduh when you're a teenager i think you need that that's like your north staryou know and then you sort of use that as a branch to find your own way andpave your own path and uh i'm grateful i'm grateful I'm grateful for that kid,and I'm grateful for his little comment that made me go search out Pavementand fall in love right away. Really cool origin story.Track 3[26:30] Well, that's what I've got, so I'm not sure if there's anything else you wantto say or if there's anything you want to plug.Track 3[26:39] Well, premature plug, but I don't know when you're releasing this,so maybe it will be out by then.I am starting my own podcast. It's going to be a music-obsessive deep dive,and I'm going to attempt to connect a bunch of dots between bands.Track 3[26:58] Themes, record labels, the culture around it, tracing back from 60s stuff until.Track 3[27:05] Now, 90s, everything in between.Uh it's gonna be sort oflike the charlie day meme where he's gotyou know the he's in like the post office basement he'sgoing through his whole conspiracy with that's right all thestring and shit it's it's gonna be like a musicversion of that so if you'reyeah if you're a music obsessivelike me and you think i'm funnyor crazy or interesting then yeah uh i'll havejd plug this when it's readyto go cool awesome if you don't mind of course i just volunteered you to plugmy show at some point absolutely well alex totally all right brother well that'swhat i've got and that's what alex from portland has so we thank you for tuningin and wash your goddamn hands.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/meeting-malkmus-a-pavement-podcast/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
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