Mom's Car: Tim Lovestedt

Hello, and welcome to Mom's Car. Today, we have another old friend of mine, Tim Lovestead, one of my first friends in L.A. We did a lot of the groundlings together. He's incredibly funny.

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But now that Pitt did video, I think it's kind of over. We'll just tell people, like, well, Brett, Pitt did video. Wait, you fucking had payout last week. No shit, so just give me a minute on that.

Let me fire up the app. Did you fucking spray? Was he fucking great? He was awesome, Tim.

It was so wonderful, and all I could hope for. He came in the best mood, so casual, and he mostly just was really happy and having a lot of fun, and I was like, even if I don't get anything story-wise new, you've never seen him like this in an interview. He's just having so much fun. And did he know sort of your legend with him and all that shit, like all the bullshit you've talked about?

Well, I had to tell him, because, you know, I met him in AA. He found out I was going to go to a track day. He was going to, and he asked if I wanted to ride up with him on a helicopter, and I was like, yes. I'd fucking go on Donkey Kong.

I'm fucking kidding. A helicopter. There's no form of conveyance I wouldn't have joined him. I'd carry you on a jackass's back up a fucking hill.

Absolutely. So I say yes to this, and now I have this new fear where, like, what if he discovers that my last eight appearances on Ellen, all I've talked about is him? Like, I don't want him to get scared that I'm a weirdo. Yeah.

So I did have to say to him, I'm like, hey, you need to know, I do this bit pretty often. I've certainly done it a lot on Ellen, where I go on and talk about how in love I am with you, but no reason to worry. And he's like, hey, you know, good stuff to hear about it. Of course you want to see this.

But then I was a guest host of Ellen while she was out of town. And when I got there, they said, hey, so we're going to have a surprise for you while the show's going on. Just know that. We're going to show you a clip at some point.

And I'm like, okay, so I do the monologue and everything. And I sit down and I say, they're about to show me something. I don't know what it is. And then what they show me is Brad Pitt was on the week before and it hasn't aired yet.

And it's a clip of Ellen saying to Brad Pitt, I don't know if you know this actor, Dax Shepard, but he has quite a crush on you. And then they show him a montage of all the insane stuff I've said about him getting a pain of me and him together. I'm like half terrified of what his reaction was when they come out of the clip package. And he goes, well, I have to tell you something.

Ellen, I have a pretty big crush on Dax Shepard. And they're filming me and I'm the host of the show. And I'm just like laughing uncontrollably. And I can't believe he said that in public.

One of the things I brought up with him, I was like, look, I have two of you in my head. I have a dude I know. And then I have Brad Pitt. And I'm not letting go of that.

And I just juggle those two things and they're different. Do you have that with anyone? And he's like, yeah, I do. I had it with Redford.

He goes, I have it with Sean Penn. He's still the dude I want to be. And he's still Sean Penn, but then he's also the guy I know. And I was like, okay, good.

I'm glad that it's not just me. That was lovely though. And is that a hard out on that? Is it like you get 60 minutes?

So they pulled his hard out at 3.30 and he was 2 p.m. But I had a hunch they're just being protective. So A, he was 10 minutes late. So then who knows where we're at and at.

But dude, we hit the two hour marker and he was showing no signs of wanting to go or anything. So yeah, it was a good like 220 maybe. Nice. And that was fun for him too because he doesn't do, at least as far as, I mean, I'm not the media connoisseur, but he doesn't do a lot of that stuff.

So I'm sure you guys were going through all kinds of fun stuff and he probably gets a kick out of it more than anything. Yeah, he just had a great attitude about the whole thing. And yes, I was shocked as I started doing my research on him. Usually I have so many different interviews I can watch with people.

And there's shockingly little amount of him in interviews. He doesn't go on the late night talk shows really. You know, he's done Ellen. He did Oprah.

I can't think of ever seeing him on a late night. Yeah. Did you guys talk about Jesse James? No, I knew you would want me to talk to him.

Oh my God. I'd spend two hours just on that movie. Yeah. You might have not been the right man for the job.

I would have honestly been so specific and weird. It would not have been good. You take a pause mid-word. Not even a beat between words.

It's mid-word. I'm having an argument with myself. Is that a trout or a salmon underneath the frozen lake when you shoot down with a walk? Yeah, it would have been bad.

But I had read that in a previous interview, he was describing where he's from, Springfield, Missouri. Yes. He says, you know, it's Mark Twain country. It's Jesse James country.

So I do think he definitely identifies with that part of it. God. Yeah. It's a good one.

I think Monica summed it up best. Well, luckily, because all the Formula One stuff was at the end. And once we were talking about cars and motorcycles, he was like ignited. Was that sort of the fulcrum of why he came on?

Of course, you've always wanted him, but the F1 thing just sort of delivered him. Ten little things, right? Like he had to bring Cooper out on stage for something. And at one point, he said, like, give me some things about Bradley.

I have to bring him out on stage. And as a thank you, I'll do on your expert. Like, he just kind of threw that out there. And I'm like, oh, yes, here's ten funny jokes about Bradley.

But he's kind of flirted with doing it. But then, if you're going to go talk about Formula One on a show, I'm not saying we're the best podcast in the world or anything, but you're not going to find a standard person in a show business that knows as much about Formula One as I do. So if you want to talk about how nitty-gritty they got, you really can only come to me. I don't know if this specificity is true.

Fred did a ton of the driving. We've been on the motorcycle track together. So I think that was a big element of it. That's amazing.

I'm so proud of you. Oh, thank you. So it'll come out on Wondery Plus Monday, and then Wide the following Monday. Let's say you recorded today with your guest.

How long does that take? What's the turnaround on that? It really depends where they're on the schedule. So we will interview people where their project's maybe a full month out, a month and a half out.

Oh, so you sort of time it for them. She just edits as we need to do the fact check. That's like her finish line of when it has to be done so that she'll have gotten her facts and everything. And then also it's going to be coming out within five days, so all that needs to be done.

There have been crazy quick turnarounds where it's like, last minute we get a guest and it has to come out in four days. The dream is when they give me a month. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like someone just pitched for a book in September.

Like, yes, that's exactly what we need. What was your date, Tim? Well, I worked in wine, so I was all over Burbank, Glendale, and Eagle Rock just getting counts because it's the beginning of the month, so I was getting counts on the floor of cases. Like how many have sold?

No, no, we have on the floor, like displays. So my rep is in Budapest right now. Okay. So I'm covering for her, and then that was it.

Do you think they couldn't have picked a better person to represent a wine product because you have the healthiest relationship with drinking, annoyingly so, that I've ever seen? It does get crazy when it crosses over into like, so are you a Merlot guy or are you a Chardonnay? I'm not really into any of it. Yeah, I'm a high-life guy.

You're forced to drink some ways to be. You're like a no-duels? I don't know. You're duelers?

I'm a dollar. But you also will party because when we were first becoming friends, which I think we should get into the origin of that, you were definitely like, hey, there's a Patrick Swayze semi-truck driving movie coming out. I'll come over with a six-pack. Let's go to the theater with a six-pack and watch this semi-movie.

Well, I don't mean to step on your toes, but they were Coors Banquet Tall Boys. This is where my drinking gets a little weird. If you make a Tall Boy available, I'm in. And especially like at the ball game, the Kings game here in LA.

Your hometown favorite? Oh, yeah. Oh, man, he's too tired to drive. That was like a friend of mine.

That was the whole movie. I was so tired. You remember, Black Dog? The great thing about any movie involving truck driving, you're just the potential gritty sequel to Smokey and the Bandit.

Because that's the only reason why we were there. Yes, we were. Because we were like, well, it's trucks. Did you remember?

First of all, if you had semis in your movie, I was there. Yes. Also, Maximum Overdrive. I don't think I was ever more excited for a movie.

I'm like, wait, the semis go crazy? Yeah. Or Convoy. It's like, yeah, it's Christopherson.

I don't even know who the fuck that is. And it's trucks. And a semi. Well, your little boy semis are awesome.

Oh, man. I just remember, also, I have at a summer camp, this counselor, we would have to go to like a lake or out to the beach, and you're on the freeway, and he would want us on the opposing traffic. He'd be like, guess the truck before it gets close. Oh, huh.

And you got really good at like White Freakliner, Kenworth, or Peterbilt, or Mack. Yeah, yeah. And so you'd be able to pick those trucks out. It was such a weird skill.

You weren't a boy. No. No, I was nine. You were a fucking sissy.

A little weird skill set to develop as a child. You could do that, though. You could eventize like having a six-pack of tall boys and really dial in what is so joyful about that. Zero interest to have more than one or two.

I was always good at muckering my alcohol. And the irony that you got a DUI and I didn't. The notion that I would be going to pick you up. And the worst part is, yes, bailing me out.

And the fact that I was in the jail that my dad worked at. Yeah. And I'm sitting there, they're like, love's dad, huh? I'm like, yeah, yeah.

Was he going to do it? No, he retired years ago, but there was probably two or three people who knew him. He retired before he died, because he died really young, right? He did.

He retired in 87. At what age? Oh, 30. He retired at like 20, like 41 or 42.

Was that standard back then? No. He had been in for, I would say, maybe 18 years. And he had health issues.

I mean, he did not take care of himself. Well, you said he was an LAPD detective. I was implicit that he didn't take care of himself in the 80s. And especially back then.

Was he smoking cigarettes? Smoking and drinking every night. And I think it's probably the reason why I never liked drinking too much. We all have the drunk family members that ruin it for us.

I love a tall boy, too. Well, you know, I love it how it came in any size. But I was always doing quick math at the liquor store. You go to the cooler, and you got a 12-pack, a case that's maybe on sale, three tall boys for five bucks, or something else going on.

And I go, all right, how many ounces is in this deal? And then I got to have the fucking Michigan deposit on there. That's the most thinking you had done. Really kept yourself short by going there and crushing those numbers.

Yeah, my thing was, you're number one. You come see me when I live in San Juan. My hack was I had figured out the 32-ouncers of iLife or $1.19 at Save-On. I'm like, you model that out.

That's a fucking six-pack for three bucks. What are we talking about? You introduced me to the 32-ouncers. I didn't even know they made such a thing.

I'm nowhere to be here. Yeah, no one wanted it. So they were always slashing. You're like, what is that?

I'll just get a six-pack if I want to drink 30-plus ounces of beer. My preference, of course, is the worker. Now, did you and I dub it that, or did Nate and I dub it that? I, of course, feel like I was a bone.

What's the worker? So the tall boy's 16 ounces, and the worker's 24 ounces. Two cans of beer. I think that's what I'm referring to is the worker.

Yeah, yeah, and I like that one. The worker's the way to go. You've got to earn that beer. Yeah.

That's made for the big boys. You know we ought to have that at lunch. I also had to be deliberate with it, because if you weren't, it got warm in your hand, and the beer tasted like pissed by the time you got through. Yeah, you can't just really get after it.

There's a time crunch. There's a ticking clock. Yeah. Okay.

There we go. That's a juice. That's going to be an all-day one. Yeah.

That's going to be like six of the pickups. Yeah, this might get messy. Ah, I made a place. We have picked up from here, I don't know, a half dozen times now.

What was the story you worked at? Bones? Bones. And then I worked at Gelson's.

Why do I picture you in there? Well, I worked there forever. I know. I'm like, did we see you?

Did I see you in there? You guys might hold in there. There's some stories that have taken place at the grocery store that I always tell. So then they put me on light duty.

And I had to sit in the manager's office and stamp these papers. You know, the punishment was way worse than the pain. By the way, that food smells fucking good. Oh, yeah.

Go ahead. Go up. Can we get a little? What are we doing?

But it was interesting. Like, when we were all at the groundlings, maybe I want to go chronologically how we get to the groundlings. But just the notion that people had all these different jobs. Most people were waiters.

A lot of people were doing enough commercials that they were kind of self-sufficient, didn't have jobs. I was working at shows and shoots. And then Tim was in the union. Well, I was like a clerk and a checker, thrown product, doing all that stuff.

But, you know, as you get older and you look back, it's like, there were people that didn't have to work. Like, what an advantage to have that kind of capital where you were like, yeah, all I do is audition and I take extra classes and I'm always available if you want to write a sketch. My time was so regimented. It was like, look, I can write for maybe an hour and a half in the morning.

Yeah, that had to be really challenging. Not just me, but for a lot of people, because you didn't have that clean slate and all that money where your rent was being paid. And it was such an advantage. Yeah, big time.

Okay, so we met through Kareem, who we had met in Santa Barbara on our road trip. And then I looked him up when I got here. And he had mentioned, like, groundlings or something. Like, I didn't know how to get into comedy.

And he was who told me how. And then you guys had already known each other from a different comedy. Yeah, we were at a theater in the Valley where we were doing improv. But I loved Kareem because he had a little bit of a fearlessness to him.

I just wanted to hang out with that guy. Like, he was super funny. Remember, he was doing the alternative comedy thing. I was like, oh, so scary.

Like, oh, these guys are so good. Yeah. And he also pushed the limits on that. He was doing things that people back then were like, what are you doing?

So then you and I had met. And I remember we hung out outside of Kareem, which is always a weird thing. Well, that's the thing I remember. I invited you over to my house.

I think even something is simple to watch a movie. You know, I think I was cooking you spaghetti. With the carrots in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was delightful. I'm kind of proud of myself in that inbox. It's so romantic at that age. I'm basically like, hey, do you want to come over and I'll cook you dinner?

Yeah. Yeah, but you weren't scared at all. No, because I'm tuned into the Midwest thing. And I'm like, yeah, this guy who I just met is going to make me supper.

Like, what are you doing? Carrots in it? I don't have a ton of carrots. You're going to see better than you've ever seen.

Throw those glasses right in the garbage. You made me like a beet salad. A beet salad, yeah, yeah. That was when I had gotten the recipe for the dressing, but it yielded like eight gallons.

That's what the restaurant would use. I was cutting it down as much as could be cut down. But at some point, some of the ingredients wouldn't work. So I did have to commit to like, I mean, two and a half gallons of the dressing.

So I was constantly trying to get people to have a beet salad at my house. It was delicious, that beet salad. And then we hung out. We hung out a ton in my memory.

Yeah, we became really good buddies. I feel like we were similar in that. Like, it did not take much. Let's get in the car and go drive around Hollywood and see what kind of weird shit's happening.

We also sort of worked invested in it. I know that sounds weird to say. We liked making fun of whatever was happening for the sake of making fun of it. I don't really care that there's other people here.

I just want to make that guy laugh. So we were just making each other laugh the whole time. A lot of nights spent driving around. A lot of nights going up to Kareem's.

And then Kareem would move throughout the city and he introduced us to kind of a whole new way of saying that. And then he was in Hollywood. Just like I was swingers, we'd end up going to these parties in Hollywood Hills and none of us were invited to and you'd take eight cars. It was kind of our gateway.

Yeah. I feel like I started Girlings before you, but then I had a big break and you started after. I was thinking about this the other day. So we were friends.

I had gone through that advanced part where you basically do two shows. And after those two shows, they're separated by five or six weeks. I forget the exact amount, but you do five weeks of classes, then there's a show. Another five weeks, then you do a show.

And based on those two shows, they decided they want you in the Sunday company. Well, they had decided that they wanted to have me repeat. And it was really disappointing. I love the people that I was with.

Andrew Savage was in that group. Jim Cashman, Steve Little. Those were my people. And I was definitely disappointed.

And then I got reignited into it after a while. Really quick, was there a battle, though, with your pride at that moment? Like, I can't repeat. I don't know if I was like, oh, well, that was a big injustice or whatever.

But of course, you're disappointed because in your mind, you're like, okay, well, those are my friends. I'm going to go up with them. And we're going to be in the Sunday company. So then what happened is after some time, they had called me and said somebody had quit from the current advanced show.

Did I want to hop in? You guys had already started. And that was your group. with Caitlin and Josh.

Which I had a huge gap between level three and four because I was going to UCLA and whatever other reasons. Yeah, and I knew that you were in. It was Mary Jo who called and I said, you know, Mary Jo, let me call Dax because my thing was like, well, this is your experience. I don't want to be like your buddy showing up in your advanced late doing fucking Tim Loves and shit, like yelling and screaming at the audience and you were obviously awesome about it.

You were like, if you want to do it, I mean, we've already been in for a couple of weeks. It's one of those decisions where I was like, yeah, of course I want to do it with my buddy. Who gives a shit? Yeah, yeah.

And we did it and it ended up great. Like we both went on to Sunday. But yeah, it was a little daunting because you guys had already known each other and I didn't really know anybody. Was Larry in our group?

Yeah. Larry, I knew Larry. Yeah, I remember being so jealous of Larry because he was in like seven national running commercials at any given time. He like drove a Lexus and maybe had a condo.

I was like, the dude is looking ready to retire. Yeah, Larry was definitely in so many commercials. He slayed. Not only did he do a good job with that, but he also handled quite effortlessly our clear jealousy.

Everyone there is going to commercial auditions and not getting him. He had a great sense of humor and self-deprecation about his raging success. We almost suffered from, and I think this would be a problem like if Aaron and I went through together too, which is like, our sense of humor is already 10 jokes down the road. It's so specific already.

To catch you up to why we started here, it's like you almost needed a year of inside jokes before you would think that was funny. But we had that stupid sketch where we were duck hunters and all we talked about was how exciting it was about to get. And then we kept checking in with the audience like, right now it's quiet. But in about four to five minutes things are going to get very exciting.

There's going to be a fervor. We talked about how exciting the excitement was going to be. So this week, the people that we were chatting with, I've been kind of trying to think of like a broader theme. Have you ever met my friend Ryan Hansen?

Yes, but like glancing. Okay, so Ryan, when I think of him, I think popular. No matter where he's at, he's like the most likable, he's charming, he can do backflips, he was an athlete, he's kind, he's cute. And so I really want to talk about just like being popular.

The one I want to talk about with you, only if you're open to it, if you're comfortable with it, I have an enormous amount of, I guess you would call it survivor skill from the groundlings. Okay. Because I have Josh Nathan, who I just thought was a fucking brilliant genius. He was a machine, like a writing machine.

Every one of his were pretty damn good. His consistency rate was off the charts. And the gap between throwing something up on Wednesday and it hitting the stage on Sunday, he always had the smallest gap. Yes, and I'll say he was a better actor than I was.

He just had a lot of skills that I certainly didn't have, as did many people in there. I don't think anyone could really be there unless you're Melissa maybe. Yeah. And think like, I'm the shit here.

Right. I don't know if you agree. I was just in awe of pretty much everyone's talent that was there. Stay tuned for more Mom's Car.

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See app for details. And so you feel what? The notion that some people hit the jackpot and some didn't feels terrible on my side. Okay.

I mean, I'm delighted I hit the jackpot. Yeah, yeah. I didn't hit the lottery. But I also just feel like there's just no justice.

There are a lot of people that certainly deserve to hit the jackpot, if not the same amount as me, more than me. And I feel bad about that. And I'm just curious what the experience from being in it and having some people around you pop in really significant ways. You know, there's a lot of people in our circle that not only got big but got kind of massive.

I mean, Kristen Waid was in Sunday Company with me and when she becomes this thing, it's crazy. All in our tenure, like Ben and Melissa, Ben Falcone and Melissa McCarthy, Chris and Octavia Spencer who hung around. There's that one Academy Awards where Ben and Nat were nominated. Or Jim and Nat.

I'm sorry, Jim and Nat. FX and Jim Rash. There's four of us that are at the Academy Awards. She's incredibly successful.

I just think there's so much in the world that I can't control. There's only so much that I can control. There's a lot of it that's timing. But also what everyone I know is going to become famous.

Like, that's not reasonable at all. I get a kick out of people getting a kick out of my friends. And to me, it was always more about I wouldn't give that time away for anything. And all the other stuff, nobody knows what it was like for all of us to be there late on a Wednesday night with Guy Stevenson putting up another gorilla sketch or like Hallie McIntyre on a bike on stage doing a sketch that she had written on a dinner napkin.

All of those things, those are mine. And they're way more fun. What I would want to say, but then would stop myself because I would be afraid of what's how patronizing is, and I've said it without you present a million times, it never got better. That was it.

Being in the Sunday company, having like a show to do on Sunday and actual people came and they paid money and they wanted to be there and it was sold out and they loved it. That's about as great as it ever felt. And that theater sold out every night. We never had to say, bring friends.

My only, because I did two years in the Sunday company, which is kind of unheard of. I just wish I knew at the time that two years, like swallow it up. They always felt like every six months there's this end game. It's hard to enjoy it because you're always a little panicked you're going to get kicked out.

Yeah, and it becomes this competitive thing and you're counting other people's sketches. Yeah. The competitive environment and only so many are going to get in. What a gift, especially at that time.

You look at the time we're in now and things have changed so much but in that time you could really let loose. You could create to your maximum, sounds weird to say, but potential. No matter how deep you wanted to dig on the weird things you thought were funny, you did have a space to do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Even more fun was Wednesday because you're putting up sketches that ultimately the director will go, you can't do that. And that's like what you want to do. You pretty much want to write the sketches that you can do. Also like watching your friends try stuff and then also not try stuff where you're doing another one of those ones.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's how you feel now. You never went through a depression or a sourness or anything. No, this is a funny memory but we went to the Without a Paddle premiere which was at, was that at Warner Brothers?

Paramount. Paramount. And they had built a lake. Flooded the parking lot or whatever.

Yeah, they had a tank that they would film like Mabel scenes in. Yeah, and you could rent like a canoe or something. Well, yeah, people's seats were canoes. Yeah.

And I remember being with Caitlin, we were walking to the bar. For us, it was weird. It's like, what is this and why is Dax in a movie? This is fucking incredible.

And why is there a lake? There was a lot. Yes. And somebody walked by me that was on the crew of that movie and they were talking to someone else and they said, yeah, man, it's crazy.

Dax has always been that way. And I was like, first of all, there's no way you've known Dax that long. But then it also set my mind right as to like the trajectory of how these things go. That success or that experience is becoming its own thing and it's not for me to covet.

Like I can't sit and fight against that guy's memory or the way he talks about you. It's like, yeah, he doesn't even know Aaron Weekly. How the fuck can he say Dax? He's been like that forever.

Right. He doesn't know 10 Aaron Weekly stories. Yes. So that sort of set me up for that famous friends experience.

My friends are going to be my friends not based on the fact that they're famous but because we are friends. Yes. So that sort of set me up. That one guy, that grip on that movie.

And then, you know what, you did a way better job of in that I'm quite ambusive because like as we were saying, the poker game, I just started going to that poker game again. I think I've gone twice and it was like through a series of bumping into Ben Enough, I guess, which is like I couldn't wait to go and it was so fun. But you did a much better job. Probably the most profound feeling is like getting kicked out, it's got to be right because there's so few slots on the main stage.

Through numerous reasons, I both got really busy. I got to go do movies all over the place. I was like starting that whole experience but I didn't do a job maintaining those groundlings friendships and you did. You stayed very dialed into the whole crew.

I was pretty envious of it especially when I went to poker. I was like, oh yeah, I fucking missed this so much. This is so fun. You and I stayed friends.

Yeah, you and I. But I've always liked being part of a team. I know that sounds really weird. When it all ended, since I was the sort of senior guy, like whenever we would do things I had to help organize, I was like being part of a team.

So that part of it, I don't know, I just carried on with it. I wish I could see those people more. Did you go through any, like when you were kicked out, what was your experience with that? Well, I mean I did two years so I definitely was not happy about it but I sort of pivoted because I felt like after the Sunday company I developed a skill set that I had never had in my life which was like a hard working, every Wednesday I'm going to have my stuff written, every Sunday I'm going to perform, I'm going to line everything up and so I finished college after the Sunday company because I was like, well I want a degree so in order to do that I'm just going to transfer all that hard work and that work ethic.

It takes you to a writing discipline which is almost impossible to learn. And the competitive part was, okay, if I'm going to be doing this then I need to do it. So that means investing time in the writing, investing time in the other people, investing time in making the show better because Sunday, I remember having shows where I was only in one sketch and I was like, that just can't fly. So I've got to figure out how do I get on stage?

Then you get a little Machiavellian. I've got to get so and so a sketch. Or I just yell more. I remember, I think I had four or five sketches.

It was really great for me. I did a couple of sketches that I really liked and Josh was like, you're doing like four or five sketches where you yell. Do you think that's too much? And I'm like, come on, man.

I'm like, I feel so good right now. You just killed me. Are you concerned about your voice? Have you been thinking for a little?

You weren't embarrassed when that happened to you. Or were you? No, I was worn out. Okay.

You're welcome to the reprieve. Meet at the door. Oh, I like to meet somebody. I like to meet people.

Jacob's in for a surprise. This is so close. This is a freebie virtually. Oh, dude.

That's a nice little bit. A little bit of chad. Now a guy can make a living off these kinds of living. That's right.

So I guess maybe in summation, minimally, I don't need to carry as much survivor guilt in regard to you. No, no. You don't seem to be mad at me. No.

But you've also gotten to witness that now firsthand front row seat to how dynamics change around people who get success. Yes. I don't know. Is it chicken or the egg?

Did other people change when they change? Yeah, we'll change here. Are you leaving? That guy could not care less.

No, no one can. No one likes to make eye contact. And then the people that do, they're more confused. Yeah.

That's obviously not that dude. Why do you have those cameras? Now, as you might expect, when Kristen was with us, that took all the guesswork out of it. I'm so grateful.

Yeah, yeah. Because there was a long period of us together where I don't claim that I was ever more famous than her, but I was definitely more recognizable than her. Kristen, for years, people would see her, and I'd see them, and I'd see them, there was a long period where I would get blasted more than she would. And so, in general, I'm fucking delighted that there's someone that people are more interested in talking to than me, which is unanimous at this point.

If you bump into both of us, unless you're an arm cherry, you want to talk to Kristen. I'm like, go get them, girl. I'll be over here checking my phone. I take pictures a ton.

I'm delighted about it. I got to experience it. It's waning. I'm less and less famous every day.

The longer I've not been on TV, you can feel it, and it's delightful. I almost feel like it's almost too good to trust. Like, wait, you don't get to be in there and not get to be, or get the perfect amount you want. You can go to a restaurant, but then you don't take a lot of pictures.

I've seen from afar, you've been from Michigan, it's definitely the other people that have changed. Oh, well, the people are already used? Yeah. When Dax was first starting out on this journey, and must be nice, be on that movie.

Must be nice, know what I'm going to say. And I'll spend my entire life picking up for it. When I think back to the Crown Limits, Caitlin told me one time, she was like, I always knew Dax was going to be famous. And I was like, you did?

Right, right. Based on what? His lack of headshots? Lack of representation?

No, I missed it. Honestly, that guy's a pretty big drinking problem, that guy. You mean the guy's collecting quarters so we can buy a tall boy? He's just discharging his 12-gauge above the head with some gangbangers and raising his apartment.

Maybe it was a mistake, but none of that became tangible. It was like, I'm going to do this to get to SNL. Everybody said that, but for me, I was always more present than that. I have in a weird way felt like moving here is a blessing in a sense because me, Caitlin, we left our family and all of our friends to do this thing.

So if we left everyone for nothing, that was going to be a big miscalculation. And I think for people like Jeff lived here, he had his friends from home, he could eat dinner at mom's house. Yeah. And I do wonder if that prevents a little bit of the pressure you would put on yourself otherwise if you moved here.

I think there's truth in that. But hence my devastation when that door shut, like that line is completely off the table. There's no way for me to get there now. That's over.

This whole dream that's been going on for 10 years is done. To that point too, I do remember people would from time to time audition for SNL while we were there and you would find out they didn't make it. And I remember thinking like, well, that's just crazy. So that guy can't be on SNL.

So it sort of spelled out a little bit of randomness of it, I guess. Well, that's what's funny as you're even saying that I'm remembering like I did not think I would get to SNL. And yet I also was trying my hardest to get to SNL. Both things were true.

Yeah, he was like devastating that I was no longer gonna get there but I never even thought I would get there. I'm learning you're not as neurotic as me. with themselves and embarrassing themselves is funny. It always makes me laugh.

Saying things in the worst spot is funny and for good or bad. I was just having this debate with Monica and Alexander Starr's guard. Okay. It's very Swedish.

So the whole time I was just like, all I wanted to talk about was like the difference between Swedes and Americans. It's so fascinating. But somehow it came up, I'm like, well, let me get this straight. When you guys walk into a room and you see a dude in a wheelchair, do you not immediately go like Don't talk about running.

Don't talk about jumping. Don't talk about how much fun you had on a hike. I just start listing everything we've got to avoid saying. But that goes for almost anything that's in a room.

It doesn't even have to be as extreme as a wheelchair. And they could not relate to that. And I thought that was like a human thing, but it's not. Did you do that?

Of course. I had you. Don't bring up guns. Don't bring up pirates.

Don't bring up Johnny Depp even much. Are you got a question? Yeah, Tim. And I'm wondering, because we don't know each other, as well as we should.

No, of course. As well as we should. Just from today. I don't think it was petty.

Yeah, yeah. I know. I don't know how we ended up admitting this to each other, but I somehow admitted to him that at some point I told Guy from Brownlee that it was bigger than me and stronger than him. Yes.

And I was trying to demonstrate my bona fides. Yeah, yeah. And somehow, I said, I lived in Detroit. He said, oh my God, did you ever go to the cronk gym?

And I go, oh yeah, all the time. I trained there. And I walked into this life with Guy now going on 21 years. I still text him all the time.

He probably still thinks I trained at the cronk gym. With Tommy Hearns? With Tommy Hearns. I happened to just randomly say it to Aaron, and then he hit me with this.

Yeah, so I told him that I have been telling people I was a Marine. Whoa. I was trained with a lot of stories. Once you come in, you can't fucking, people want to know because it's a good story.

Like, can you do it? Of course, I was overseas. Yeah. And that's why I just quit with being trained at the most fucking famous gym in Detroit.

Like, there's more that comes along. So you keep digging. And then I hope it doesn't get to where someone knows me good enough that knows that. So I have to keep it only between a certain group of people.

Let me tell my mom that I was a Marine. When he was a Marine, he boxed in the Marine. Oh yeah, boxed in the Marine. Oh my God, I'm sorry.

Yeah, yeah, sorry. I boxed in the Marine. Oh my God. It makes me so happy when you told me that story.

And then also, like, my guilt and shame over having a fight about that is still loving. And when I heard that, you said that, I was just adorable. It was like a boy trying to be a big man as a Marine. And his dad was a Marine.