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I'm Sean Fennessy. I'm Amanda Dobbins. And this is the Big Picture A Conversation Show about Monkey Man. Today we're talking about Death Patel's scintillating directorial debut, the Indian action epic, Monkey Man.
And we're also going to talk about our favorite directorial debuts of the 21st century. This dev film has been long in the waiting. It started filming quite a long time ago. It has since changed studios.
But I'm curious to see how it stacks up relative to your favorites over the years. I mean, you're not the biggest action movie fan in the world. Do you like when a lizard punches an ape? I do, and I like intention.
And I like a lot of style. So, you know, we're going to, I think we'll say John Wick a few times during this podcast. And John Wick has said in the film Monkey Man, so it is aware of its influences, at least visually. So I do respond to that a little bit more than I respond to, I like it when monsters punch each other, normal dudes punching each other, just kind of two brute guys going at it.
Like, my mind starts wandering. Well, let's talk about Dev first, because... That makes a huge difference. I think it does.
I think one of the reasons why John Wick is so successful is because Keanu Reeves is a beloved screen presence. And we have a lot of baggage with Keanu. And so seeing him go through the toll of the John Wick experience is both punishing, but also very rewarding, as if you were. Dev Patel obviously doesn't have as long of a track record as a movie star.
But I was thinking about something that you said when we talked about the Wes Anderson short films. And watching him in a Wes Anderson short, you're like, oh man, he just fit like a glove into that world. And that is kind of a safe space for Dev. That's how we think of him.
He's erudite. He's dashing. He's very verbal. He's got a great amount of charm to him.
Even when he's in something historically that is more physical, more visceral, more adventuresome, like the Green Knight, it's kind of an intellectual exercise in the vein of that kind of work. He really hasn't done anything quite like Monkey Man before. I know you're a big fan of this. How do you think of him?
In this movie or just in general? Well, I mean, he is a soulful heart drop. He's just incredibly handsome and sort of fills this screen presence. So you're right that you can tell there's something behind the eyes.
He's like a thoughtful, handsome guy. And there are varying types. It's not often that the thoughtful, handsome guys are the guys punching. Very rare.
Right. And he also, you know, even like his physical build and his physical presence is very different from a Jason Statham. He's a tall, skinny guy. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's why I absolutely loved him. And to me, he was the, you know, the reason to see it. But there is like even a balletic quality to the way that he is going through these action scenes that I found very beautiful and slightly different than what you're normally seeing, the way that he moves and rides through, whether it's a boxing ring or like an aquarium.
To me, like to me, it was different, but he sold that part of it. Yeah, I agree. I think it's a really interesting project. Maybe it helps to talk through some of the background before getting into the key parts of the story.
It was originally Greenlit as a $30 million movie by Netflix. They're making a lot of movies in the Scott Stuber era that are making 60, 70, 80 movies a year. You could see on paper the incredible appeal of something like this. One, because Netflix has this brand in action that's born of like the extraction movies, where you've got globetrotting heroes who are well-known from other film franchises or other film successes beating the shit out of people with like just the slightest veneer of prestige, but not enough.
And there's not really a veneer of prestige in that one. There is like craftsmanship. Sure. Maybe you're like, well, these people at least like know what they're doing, but there is a lot of, you know, in that movie.
And there is, there's a lot of gnarly shit in Monkey Man, but there is something less brute force. It's intended to be a little more elevated. Some of that elevation comes in the form of Dev going back to his roots of Indian culture and looking at some of the mythologies and some of the gods of the Hindu culture and exploring some of those and also exploring really some of the social structure of India and the caste system and the way the class operates. And he's trying to do something that is hard to do, which is to create a kind of social intellectual intention behind a very visceral kind of dumb movie.
A movie that is meant to satisfy our base impulses of dudes punching each other and stabbing each other with broken furniture. And I really, I really admire the intention. Now the movie, when it's a production, it was a very difficult production clearly because it was happening during COVID and also because Dev broke his hand during the production. He's a first time filmmaker.
He's trying to do something very elaborate. And I will say the way that he makes this movie is a little bit different than the kind of fight movies that I've seen in the past. And a little bit different from Wick, even though the Wick influence clear. It's a little bit different from Bruce Lee, which he's been citing quite a bit on his press store.
A little bit different than the junk fights that Chris Ryan and I talked about. There is something about his size and build that is framing the fighting a little bit differently. So you can kind of feel them feeling their way through it in this movie where they're trying to do something that looks and feels new while also paying homage to something. I think there's some trickiness, some pitfalls in making movies this way when you don't totally know how to make the movie that you're making.
Yeah, though to me, so can we talk about what happened to this movie? Because I think it's so instrumental to talking about the movie itself. It's not just like officially confirmed. Right, but you read between the lines pretty much anywhere.
It was a Netflix. And at some point it moved to Universal. Jordan Peele became attached as a producer. And, you know, according to hearsay, like, quote unquote, saves the movie and makes it something that Universal is willing to release.
Theatrically, yes. Theatrically, yes. And part of the scuttlebutt of why Netflix was not too attached to it is because there are some pretty clear, at least in the final result, references to India's current political situation. And India's a big market for Netflix.
And I think they just maybe didn't want to go there politically. So I will say the finished product, definitely, and listen, I'm by no means an expert on the Indian political scene, but there is a very Modi-like figure. And it is, there are scenarios in terms of like a Hindu nationalist reigning party and then, you know, smaller villages or people who are not a part of that party being... Oppositional.
Yeah, and not being served by the major party. We're like, okay, so I see some parallels here, but they have also clearly, they fictionalized the party, they fictionalized the city, even. And they're trying to keep an arm's length from this. And so maybe it's because I knew the history of all of that, but this movie to me is like very clearly chopped up.
You know, it's just like very, very clearly they went back in and were like, here's what we've got and here's how we're going to put it together to make it work. And, you know, there's really great stuff in it. And I also really like the ambition of it. And you can follow it, you know?
They like put it back together enough that I was like, sure, but you can just see, I mean, you can see like the very fast editing style, but like, which is, you know, maybe some of the learning how to make an action sequence in real time, but then you can just also see narratively and thematically. Like they took a lot of pieces and put them together. I think you've diagnosed it perfectly. It's exactly my experience of the movie.
I think that the highs of the movie are incredibly high and are very promising for Deb Patel as a filmmaker. Most of the fight sequences work really well. Structurally, it feels like a script that was like 175 pages and you can feel 70 of those pages getting cut out in this version of the movie. I've watched a lot of conversations and interviews with Deb Patel about this movie.
I watched one interesting one between he and Jordan Peele where you can feel Deb Patel without outright saying it, saying thanks for helping with the pacing of my movie because I wonder how long the Netflix cut of this movie was. Right. Because it has been trimmed and in some cases sharpened, but in some cases things are removed that are maybe will create a little bit of confusion when you're watching or slowing the movie down when you don't want the movie to slow down. In the second act of this movie, the movie really slows down quite a bit.
We have this big bracing. It's a revenge story. This is a story about a young man who has experienced a deeply traumatic thing with his family where in his village, the reign of terror from this Modi-like figure and his government and police force is singed into his brain and he's from a very, very low class in this society and he takes a job in a restaurant, essentially just in a club, restaurant, hotel kind of atmosphere. He seeks a job at a restaurant.
He gets close to the levers of power. And the first act of the movie, he makes a kind of over-enthusiastic attempt to seek his revenge and he's not quite ready to do so. I agree with you that it feels like they've located three or four things about this movie that work so brilliantly and they're just trying to emphasize them in a deep way to cover up some of the things that don't work so well. That being said, I still had a really fun time with it.
I still think it works really well. I think it is definitely flawed, but it shows somebody who's thinking about these movies in the way that I want them to be thinking about them, which is that they're not just disposable archetypes to move through 499 at the rental office or to stream your movie. He was trying to make something. He did make something.
Genuinely cinematic, genuinely exciting, genuinely propulsive at times. And I think also something that is in some ways revealing of the culture that is so meaningful to him. And in some ways, I'm quite curious to see how the general audience will accept these long kind of dispersive moments of memory about his mother or the exploration of Hanuman and Hinduism and the figures that dominate the religion. I'm not sure.
The movie is tracking to do pretty well. The other thing is that it is Dev Patel, just like a kick-ass, like let's put this knife in some really gross-ass places. And there is some gross, gross stuff. And I was in a theater with a lot of grown dudes who were just squirming at parts, which is good, right?
That's what these movies are supposed to do. So there is just a completely visceral, reactive quality to this movie that I think people will like. And if your mind wanders a little bit during the flashback, so I thought that the actor with his mother is very beautiful and moving, you know? She only gets to be in flashback, but that's okay.
What did you think of the rest of the cast of the movie? Like, Charlton Copley is the only probably well-known figure, I think, to American audiences. Definitely telling me the movie of Neil Blancamp. Charlton Copley, of course, got his start, at least in our eyes, in District 9.
He plays a kind of like carnival barker figure in this fight club space. So that's another aspect of the story that we're not talking about, which is that Hanuman is like basically Tyler Durden as well. Right, and like his origin story is, like he's training as the monkey man in the fight clubs of this fictional scene. And that's like where you really start to feel the chopping, you know?
Because sometimes, and they're cool fights, I guess. He gets thrown into a table at one point, that looks like that hurts. And they're also cool, as the phone goes on, in terms of how to use his eyes to his advantage, and that is exciting. Sometimes you're like, why am I still here?
And like, at one point, there's a young boy who shows up and bets all his money on the monkey man and then wins a lot of money. Sorry, spoiler. But I'm like, who is that? And where's that money going?
I thought that money was going to the monkey man. I think it was, but like, I wasn't really sure. Do you know what I mean? Because at some point, it just, it kind of comes out of nowhere.
Or where did that money come from? Was that the money that was from like the temple that rehabilitated him? You know, at some point, you're not following all the plot points. It's not totally linear.
But you get the gist. Yeah, I think the things I recommend are like, the fight choreo is really cool. There's very few guns in this movie. It is a real hand-to-hand movie.
So it is not like John Wick. The John Wick thing is reductive. John Wick is gun-fu. I mean, most of the fighting that takes place in John Wick is guys shooting guns at each other and then blocking bullets with suit jackets.
You know, like, there's plenty of good hand-to-hand combat in the movies, but it's a very different kind of thing. This is really more in the vein of, in some ways, The Raid, in some ways, the Bruce Lee movies or the Shaw Brothers, Japanese martial arts films. There's plenty of, like, Michael J. White boxing movies that you can feel the influence of.
But because he's so tall and so skinny, there's, like, the armpit angle, is the way it's described to me, where it's like the camera is sort of, like, up to his armpit. And you're seeing it from that vantage point. So it's almost, it's not eye-level. It's, like, chest-level action.
Which I'm not sure I've, like, totally quite seen before in this very specific way. And that might seem like an ovary of something, but I've heard him talk about it a little bit, so I know that it's not. And I don't know if that's a full-blown innovation, but it felt new to me, watching it take place from that vantage point. Because the way that the camera captures and uses his frame and his particular body, which is also new-ish in this situation, is noticeable.
And there is, there's, like, a fluidity to it that I really like. You know, the more it looks like dancing with just, like, blood's burning everywhere, the better for me. But it does, it does seem like the camera is adjusting to the particularness of his build. The other way I thought of a little bit while watching this was Die Hard, because it is kind of like one guy in a building fighting every other person in that building.
Of course, the Raid does this as well. Judge Gerard does this. Like, we've seen this trope before, but I wouldn't say that Death's character whose name is Kid has the same charm as John McClane, but it is a very similar kind of... He doesn't talk very much.
Yeah. Does that disappoint you? No, I mean, he holds the camera in other ways. There's not a huge amount of dialogue in this.
There's not, there's not. There are, you know, kind of archival or fake news reports that apparently some of the footage is also real. There's, like, a lot of multimedia stuff, but people speaking to each other, they primarily speak through their fists. Do you think that stuff was done after the film moves to Universal?
Yeah, because it is, I mean, it's a lot of transitional, and also, it's all, you know, vague and the reason I was like, no, he looks for that job is because the sequence in which he gets this set up and he basically saves, like, an elaborate, almost, like, citywide heist of this woman's wallet in order to then be able to return the wallet to her and ask for a job. But, I mean, it must be, like, 50 people and it's one, like, zooming sequence through the city with handoffs and lots of, like, tricky, you know, camera angles to make it seem like one fast move. And that's the thing where the pacing, the fast pacing really worked for me and it just, like, kind of widened the scope of the whole movie in a way that I thought was fun. Yeah, I really like that part, too.
I like the training montage, too. It's definitely, like, a real rocky moment in the movie when he gets taken into this temple. In the temple, we see a punching bag, you know, a fight bag and Zakir Hussein shows up who played with Ravi Shankar and plays the tabla and while playing the tabla, we see Kid learning how to be a great boy. Right, and he's, like, setting the pace and Kid is, no, it's, like...
Super cool scene. Yeah, it's all time. At one point, he, like, takes off his shirt and then all the other people in the temple start cheering. Yeah, it's great.
Yeah, I was like, I wish the movie had, like, a little bit more of this. That's, like, a popcorn scene and I think it's missing a couple more moments. And that's also, you know, there aren't a ton of cuts there. Like, that is clearly one scene that was, like, originally, they're like, okay, we got this.
You know, this is, like, a special moment that the rest of the movie is, like, kind of built around. But you can tell that that was always there and, like, in some ways it's sort of the guiding light of... Or, you know, it's, like, it's what this movie could be. That's a crucial moment in the film.
I mean, you can kind of feel him figuring out in real time. Maybe in part because he's going to feel him being chopped up a bit, as you said. Him figuring out how to be a filmmaker. rare to see that and that's something that in some ways Netflix allowed for because Netflix created so many movies so many people have to like figure out how to make a movie or not make a movie as it were um this is definitely more slick because it has that that heavy cutting and it feels like you can feel it you know as people watch movies all day long we probably feel more intensely as I said I'm very curious to see how general audiences respond to it but it's also like every two to three months there should be a big uh hand-to-hand combat action movie with a big movie star like we talked about the beekeeper like weirdly excitedly um and that remains one of the biggest movies of 2024 um it was very very stupid and like all of the sort of like integrity and desire to tell a sincere story about how the society in India works that DevTel brings to it like Jason Statham's brought none of that to it no it's just like what if Hillary Clinton but he was really concerned about that fishing scheme he didn't want the old lady to get her fished can you just show up to fishing schemes headquarters like is that easy to track down because he got it pretty quick he just like rolled up remember he just rolled up our fishing schemes like really like five days a week in office you know what I'm saying that seems like the king of remote work so Steve Cohen the uh the owner of New York Mets okay on CNBC he believes we're moving towards a four-day work week what do you think but four-day in person or just a four-day work okay wait in what context what context was he complaining about people coming to work or not coming to work or was he complaining complaining he was just noticing a trend in the American spirit okay he does interviews every once in a while where he just comments on a variety of things that have to do with money and work just because he has money I guess how does this relate to his stewardship of the Mets this year so far a lot of people make the same joke that they work no days a week yeah okay yeah so it's really that bad what's the record I didn't google this they haven't won they haven't won a game they're actually playing right now they're in the 10th inning oh sure are we're winning and okay who against the Detroit Tigers which I would say one of the more more of a franchise right now all right this year they have some solid pitching I would not say their lineups to be feared what time did the game start well they have a double header today they've had two games rained out okay so maybe that's that's messing with their it's April you know like does that count it certainly counts yeah like there are a lot of games you know what I'm saying they play 162 right I assure you the Mets will only be playing 162 this year uh no it's bad it's bad I mean it's um Doomer Sean is back he's back we're so bad okay well you know it's not bad can I proper my theory please I asked I haven't shared this with Bobby we have hardly discussed the Mets all this season uh mercifully mercifully by my count yeah I mean I don't intend to talk about the Mets a lot this year but I'll just get this out right now on the record Mets have a new president of baseball operations his name is David Stearns very smart fellow came from Milwaukee where he built a very successful small market base there's another David Stearn in sports right David Stearn was the commissioner of the NBA for many years but that's a different David Stearns a magnificently draconian yes that's why I know him yeah but the New York Mets have David Stearns so David Stearns um I think doesn't believe in the core of this Mets team at all and is actually actively leading a short-term failure plan to offload some of the aging veterans is that is that called tanking it's not quite because it's not it's tanking only draft related it's primarily draft okay um who is the aging core of the Mets at this juncture do you still have Max Scherzer was traded to the Texas Rangers last year oh that's right yeah that's right I mean I went for the original German pronunciation there he used to be a Dodger and that's how I knew about him when I used to be able to watch Dodgers games before the extreme antitrust violations that no one will investigate like what the fuck I pay hundreds of dollars and I just want to be able and I pay fucking taxes for the stadium and all that shit and I just want to be able to pay more money to turn on the Dodgers game and I don't want to have to switch to Spectrum Mobile what happened to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness I agree I swear to god why can't anyone investigate this who's gonna investigate it pro-publica I've been saying yes it's seriously this is in the public interest yeah this is you and Chris are gonna figure it out after you figure out who did the golf thing you are you are firmly in the zone of Hillary Clinton crying about Oscar nominations right now but Dodger not being able to watch Dodgers games is something pro-publica I'm not I'm not tying me not being able to watch Dodgers games to my historic political and public service failure and also possibly more crimes that I've committed I just am tying it to you I would like to be able to pay more money uh yeah okay so Max Scherzer there's four guys okay there's four guys there's four guys the four guys are retired he's retired for seven years more than that eight years uh is Thor still on the team Thor is not on the team Thor I think he's out of baseball right um elbow or knee uh shoulder general t-generation I think is really his issue no it's Brandon Nimmo it's Pete Alonso it's Jeff McNeil and it's Francisco Lindor these are the four guys he's the home run guy and Lindor is the guy that Bobby tweets a lot about uh I think that's true um I'm not I'm not making a judgment on any of those four players um all four of those players are very signs that give me great joy they're all between ages of 29 and 31 right now um there are some Mets fans who describe them as gutless and unable to perform in the big spot I'm not saying I'm saying that I'm just saying other people are saying that but I have a theory okay that David Cerns is like these guys are not the ones he thinks they're gutless he might okay or he thinks they're just not up to it but they're not actually a way to build around the team but the Mets all of a sudden in the last few years have a very exciting farm system very promising farm system they made a lot of trades last year they have a bunch of kids that you're like wow this could be something two three years from now I think he knows that I think he knows the best way to get the payroll down and to spend more money on pitching and to develop a better lineup is he's gonna like soft tank this year and maybe even next year and get some of those guys out of there Bob what do you think the real problem is that they haven't developed a starting pitcher since 2016 so that's nice that he wants to upgrade all of those and like they have a farm system full of some good position players and exciting outfielders but if they don't have any pitchers it doesn't matter like I think that I don't know I've been on the record as a David Cerns skeptic but I don't need to go further into depth on that I'm just really still beaming well I'm frustrated that you can't get a blunt down right now off the side of my screen as I'm watching over here in the bottom of the 10th but I'm really just still beaming with the joy of Amanda's antitrust rant against Sportsnet inviting ProPublica to look it up I could not be more on board with any idea that's ever come across the big picture of Airwaves I mean you want people to read all your tax stories have them also read something that they care about you know what I'm saying sure so you're programming ProPublica just for a local LA resident listen the regional sports networks are a junta a prostitution that's right but you know I listen every week I open up the new sports puck newsletter and I'm like is this the day that they tell me to read John a rant yes I have because I want to know are you just like soft promoting your appearance on the press box this week is that what's going on no I just I'm so tired of basketball my son likes basketball I want to watch it I want him to play baseball not basketball Bobby did we tell you we think he's left-handed so oh that's that's huge right so that's we gotta start with that I will be playing a huge role in Knox's life if he's left-handed if he's right Knox Dobbins the southpaw yeah I mean he just got a scholarship to university yeah he got a scholarship to Tennessee just from the name like just that he's left-handed Knox Barron is an incredible set-up reliever for the Cincinnati Reds like he is like that name like think of the baseball card I don't want him to be in the bullpen though I don't feel like those people 18 years 18 year careers they're weird oh you think he's going Jan 6 Knox is going Jan 6 it's like Knox and CR just like on the internet it's getting radicalized together I mean it's in play I know it's truly in play he keeps following Chris the way that he does well we're really far field from our normal podcast you said nuts and I you know wanted to I'm live watching the game on Gamecast right now you had it even while we're podcasting will you watch game two today live since you have the things to do okay but presumably yeah you have the access you could pull it up on one of the many I'm already so distracted you know this is an issue for me inputs none of outputs okay I think I should pod more I spend more time potting less time receiving information then I'll get dumber but be able to make more content that's what everybody wants how are you dealing with the level of content we're putting on the show right now do you mean quality quantity okay um you know I hate how dependent it is on Hollywood I feel like they've been letting us down a little bit yeah it's been a tough first quarter yeah a few bright spots actually next week we'll talk about movies that we like they've come out so far but you know a lot of them are pretty small right so and it is really fun to have a Godzilla Kong moment and get to just be stupid and I enjoyed that and I've you know I enjoyed you too and I enjoyed the other spots but they're not serving us at the at the pace and with the quality that we're serving the rest of the world you know what I mean yeah tell me about this a little bit so psychologically speaking I would say you operate in life as though you deserve things and you know it's a defining trait and I'm not saying it's a bad trait I'm not criticizing you I love you in fact I think you're a great person but I think it's different than how other people are and I wonder where that comes from what what what in that sentence do I think I deserve you have a very uh specific ethic of the way that the world ought to operate but it is it is a shadow ethic it's only understood by you and that's true and when people now that's okay I think that's fine I think some of our greatest fascists operate in a similar fashion but one thing that they're able to do is enunciate the bylaws of their ethic yeah I've given up on that like I just I know that I do understand that the world and life at large is not going to uh meet my expectations yeah I know that but you and still you find you find a way to like conjure the energy to be outraged or frustrated or whatever all I said was like what if we had more good movies or more movies but then you're similar energy around the Dodgers thing you know like I'll give you like it is actually a legal outrage that I simply like my tax dollars go to this team I pay money to major league baseball we are league past subscribers yeah I pay money to youtube tv in order to have cable and I would be willing to pay money you're like my much bigger kind of philosophical query you're you're not hearing me what I'm saying I just don't care I don't want to watch the Dodgers like I just assumed watch the Tigers as I would watch the Dodgers personally um but I also have to get to the bottom of the Otani thing you know I don't have my primary source right there no that's definitely where they're gonna figure it out they're gonna solve it during the broadcast in the fourth inning of the game in which he's taken two at-bats I I underline this for a movie related reason I saw I watched this the Alex Jones versus the truth last night are you familiar with this are you familiar with this no okay it's a new documentary on HBO okay and it chronicles um the Sandy Hook story the terrible violent shooting that happened at the school and what InfoWars did in the aftermath of that shooting and then the film sort of located primarily in the trial where uh the two trials where Alex Jones was sued by the parents of victims of Sandy Hook it's like the it's like the worst thing I've ever seen I don't mean that qualitatively about the film but it is it is the most rock bottom I've felt in my life while like watching something in a long time like I watched like the first omen and there's just like violent demonic death in that movie I was like standing and applauding I watched this Alex Jones documentary which is made by um I think it was Dan Reed the same guy who made Fine Neverland and who has a knack for this kind of story obviously the film is very psyched the first 30 minutes of it are about just detailing what happened at Sandy Hook which is the worst story I mean it's the worst it is the worst thing it is the worst thing it is it is a mentally ill person entered a primary school and murdered uh more than a dozen people and including many many young children and it's awful right so there's just a lot of time to spend in that if you choose to watch that so if you choose not to I get it when we were watching my wife just like literally why are we watching this why I was watching it because I was like I work in the media I'm interested in technology how did Alex Jones get to be in the space where he is how did he do the things that he did not an infowars consumer but I'm a curious person about these kinds of ideas and then watching the way that someone would exploit the experience as a denier and complete lack of empathy all the things that go into it if you're interested in the story I recommend watching it it's very well made but um I felt like it actually located something in the way that I see the world in the way that I process it where I was like everybody is fucking dead everything is broken I don't trust anybody I can't believe that this is like I obviously have small moments of happiness in my own life you know doing the show with you guys one of the great choices of my life my family fantastic I've got a handful of friends I really care about very happy about that uh but like watching something like this you cannot walk away from it and not feel like the world is a pit and I'm bringing all of this up right because you are like this is an outrage and I just never have the energy for that like I don't I think I'm just like we've all been scooped out and I know that the stakes are quite different from the Dodgers and whether movies are good versus a story as high level as this but I'm trying to find something you get outraged about plenty we have a record of you being like fucking outraged I know those are manifestations of what I'm talking about in a way fast x is a manifestation of what you're talking about unrecoverable brokenness of everything okay yeah so you think that you just have an acceptance and you don't think that I have reached a place you're fighting like I think you have a spirit in you that is fighting the fight trying to ask for more and better yeah yeah yeah where does that come from constant disappointment but also because every once in a while like I get something that lives up to expectations you fundamentally essentially can enjoy things so and like you like have never taken vacation that you truly loved you like can't take time off you're just like but you know I mean like you can't I know what you're saying yeah like there there is some sort of place in a very specific whether it's a movie or an experience or an emotional where I'm just like oh wow he did it like this is it and you have given up on that feeling and I'm still chasing it ah maybe you put your finger on it yeah I don't admire your optimism thanks so much I think it's right on topic you know I think that everybody who watched monkey man is gonna be like this is what I was looking for do you think that people understand like the basic plot points of the dodger situation so it's just like I mean I'm just like do people know that it's like you know a local blackout unless you have one specific provider that's on one cable that's true in many so I just wanted to make sure everyone's on the same page yeah okay you know because this affects all of us in our various regional markets um absolutely I just don't understand that's a really good point why does it like you fucking freak out if you don't have access to like a never released 70s film in like eight different formats and you're like this is corporate you know the corporate degradation of artistic history and like we have to fight and I'm waiting for you to say something that's not me being fucking awesome is there is there something coming that isn't good you can't understand like the basic average this is the issue this is what happens when I have five meetings before noon and then we sit down and go and you're just like I don't care because the meetings have like don't be into like I've given up I just look I don't understand how everyone isn't as like outraged as I am about this it's preposterous uh but like about many things though yeah like you bring this energy to a great deal of things yeah but this one in particular okay well you said your piece is there anything else you want to get off your chest since we're having the vent hour I think the vent hour I've been thinking about this yeah I was asking about are you happy with the output of the show because I'm like I feel like there's another there's a third tier there's another thing I don't know what the thing is yet in the food show you haven't sold like I have I've sold it directly to Tesla here's I have actually a topic for episode one of the food show which is that DiGiorno is now selling a pizza with a croissant crust and I see it every time we take that to Target you don't like kill an hour because life is too much had a DiGiorno pizza.
Not since I was 16, but I'm really curious about the croissant crust pizza so we could try it and our DiGiorno could sponsor the first week of our food show. Okay, I think the next thing we do will be some sort of a food summer episode akin to the taste test. We will get into that. Whether or not DiGiorno is a part of it, I'm not ready to commit to that yet.
No, you think that would be pretty good though? A croissant crust on a pizza? Especially in a whole oven setting? No, no, I don't want my pizza to be flaky and the croissant is flaky.
Okay. And soft. I want a little bit of crunch. I want some texture in there.
I feel like you're getting the crunch on the outside of the croissant. Also two different strata of grease that comes with a croissant versus an obsessive pizza. I thought you were saying the country of grease and that's like, well, we're going to have food etymology here. No, but I'm intrigued by what you're saying.
In fact, I'm not better than DiGiorno pizza. I like DiGiorno pizza in theory. It appears the mess have fallen behind 4-3. Darn right they have.
Are we headed to own 5? Perhaps we can just keep riffing until this game concludes. Sometimes I wonder if as the producer of the show I haven't just sustained like a six-year-long head injury. We're in an experimental therapy.
Now we're doing something I've got the Mellotron out and we're playing some new sounds. This is our revolver. How far can we take the production in studio? What's George Morton really up to?
Still 4-3 here. Two outs. I want to count. Michael Tonkin pitching to DiGio Urshela.
Who's the home team? The Mets. Can't say I've been impressed by Michael Tonkin in his first couple of outings here for the New York Mets. Let's do my director of the abuse quickly.
This was a fun list. It was 21st century only. There's a great Wikipedia page if you just want. I'm sure it's not like but it's a very fun one to scroll through.
I put mine in first. Did that annoy you? No, it was fine. I mean, I obviously would have put a couple on my list but I just took some other ones.
This can be community building. It's fine. I also have some funny joke ones for you. What if I was like number 5 Garden State?
Number 4 Booksmart. Number 3 Molly's Game. Here's the thing about all three of those and this is a million percent sure I'm thinking about this. When I saw Garden State I was like, I liked that.
Dude, I think it was like a bit self-serious and maudlin and a little silly. Yeah, but I also kind of liked it. And I felt the same way about Booksmart. And that is like part of the experiment I found is also you do know what comes next in a lot of cases and so Booksmart and then what was that movie called?
The Palm Springs head injury movie. Not actual head injury. Don't worry, don't. Not all head injuries.
Harry Styles is Jordan Peterson. I thought you were just talking about the movie Palm Springs. I think Chris Pine was Jordan Peterson, right? Oh, right.
And Harry Styles is just like one of his followers. That is one of the funniest things that ever happened. That movie was not good. Yeah.
That's actually a good idea for an episode that's sort of like oh no, what have we done? Like American Duty was a movie. What a searing portrait of suburban malaise in America. Alan Ball.
He's really honest. He took a voice from overseas to come and really see how we are in this country. And then within 12 months people were like this is one of the most pretentious lame pieces of garbage in American movie history. And sometimes generational.
Some of that is like you get a little distance from the hubbub around the movie. You've been following the Kirsten Dunn's press work? Not as closely as I have but that was one where she turned down that movie. I saw that.
Yeah, that was great. That's my girl. So some people were asking for the Kiki Hall fame in the Civil War episode. I'm not sure if that like is the right tone for the discussion of that film, that pod.
But I want you to think about it. I'm seeing it next week. Kiki, are we deep enough in yet? Because she took a long time off.
But also like a lot of the minor works are also great. I know, but when we do people who are her age we did Bradley Cooper and it was too soon. You can do it too soon. So I don't know if there's a better way to do it.
I don't know. One of my honorable mentions is Bring It On. Which is the main reason we're just sliding in in 2000. And that is like a...
But you know, she's got range. Oh, absolutely. Not a question of her. I'm a huge fan of hers.
Not as big a fan as you are but she's cooking Do you want to do your list? Sure. Number five, speaking of Palm Springs had entry movies is actually Palm Springs, Bobby. Oh, I guess you had the doc so you knew that.
Just what a delightful movie that we keep talking. You know, I think we enjoyed it at the time and it came out in pandemic. Yeah, and that's all in 963. And we were like, wow, this is great.
But then everything, every single other romantic comedy trying to reinvent it has come out since then and it's just like, oh yeah, you guys don't have it. And this movie directed by Mike Barbicow has it. Love Palm Springs. Great pick.
Thank you. What's up next Barbicow? What's it get to? I don't know.
Let's click. Did you just start making TV? Probably. I'm just like, it's time to make TV.
I can make some money doing that. Especially the film came out in 2020 so then it's hard to in the moment parlay your streaming. Yeah, that's a good point. My number five is in the bedroom.
This is Todd Fields' first film. This is on my list. Oh, interesting. I actually haven't revisited this movie in quite some time.
I'd like to watch it again soon. It actually is a slip-seering portrait of the agony of American suburbia but in this case also in the event of a horrible tragedy and the very delicate binds between a family and a community. Amazing performances. I'm thinking specifically of the late great Tom Wilkinson who we'd recently lost who's a superb in this movie but C.C.
Spacek, Marissa Tomei, Nickstall an amazing cast and a very literate and literary adaptation that feels a little bit impossible right now. I don't know if I can really think of a movie that I would compare this to that I've seen in the last couple of years. Anything spring to mind? No, but you can't really compare Todd Fields' movies to anything else.
They're just pretty singular. They are pretty singular. What's your number four? Gone Baby Gone which brought us the directorial career of one Ben Affleck which so far The Ledger is still way more hits than this is.
Oh yeah. I mean he's got three I mean the first two movies are amazing. I love the first one. Stone Cold Classics then he won Best Picture for another movie that I enjoyed.
And Eric was Eric so that's a pretty good track run. What was the other one? Chase the Night? Take my breath away.
Chase the Night was White. White Bill wanted to name the ringer. Put down that what was the name of the movie? No it was like Dennis Lehane I don't remember and that was like poor Santa Claus.
Get out of my chair, dad? Yeah that was it. That's the one. Gone Baby Gone is wonderful.
Can I use this opportunity to talk about you guys doing Live by Night? Manchester by the Sea. Yeah of course. And the rewatchable that was a choice.
Wasn't my choice. I was happy to do it. Yeah good movie. Have you revisited it recently?
No I will literally never rewatch it. I've gotten that feedback. It's certainly everything's super cool and normal as usual but the rewatchable choices. What the fuck?
Rock Bottom. I'm doing Rock Bottom. Got no spoilers. Has Bill shared what that is?
He hasn't. No at large I have no idea. Is it air? Okay my number four is The Babadook which is Jennifer Kent's debut which is a movie that came out in 2014 Australian filmmaker became an instant cult horror classic.
Really really interesting movie that I think it got a little subsumed by the trauma core horror storytelling. This was early in the wave of that. It was at this moment when Hereditary was starting to come out and Get Out was about to come out and there was this new class of exciting horror filmmakers that a little bit more about our sensibility. Jennifer Kent's second movie The Nightingale is really really good as well.
It's a 2018 film about murder and revenge in Tasmania in the 19th century. Hasn't done anything since. Where's she at? Yeah you would know better than I.
I'm not sure. I think she was developing something for HBO and then maybe it never came to pass but I really hope she makes movies soon because The Babadook is incredibly effective. Actually the first one which I'll talk about next week feels correlated in some ways. First of all will you be seeing that film?
Nobody will be telling me about it right? I think so. I think so. It's about the birth of Damien Ullman though.
So I want you to see it. It's directed by a woman. Oh so it's about like actual childbirth? Well and conception and all these other things.
It's a very contemporary very smart movie. Okay I'll see whether It's upsetting. It's effective. Okay.
This is the other big release this weekend for so much I should say that. We're talking about next week. We'll see whether I'll see whether I can work. I'm trying to imagine you sitting in the theater watching it.
I feel like if I go see it in the theater you have to go see it with me. And then that becomes a scheduling issue. Good point. I don't really have any covers.
No I was just thinking about that. Okay why don't you do number three? Star is Born. My guy.
I feel sort of bad that this is number three. By the way Star is Born directed by Bradley Cooper. Which is maybe the most right we have ever been about something to the exclusion. You guys didn't get it at first but we got it.
And we were right. And Maestro is maybe an elevation in some ways of his quote unquote filmmaking techniques but this is just kind of a perfect whole movie right out of the gate. Absolutely here. I love it.
Love my boy Brad. Yeah. Star is Born is a great pick. We have to take a little break in that break.
Mets lost. Okay. They're 0-5. But they could soon be 1-5 right?
It's a double header? Sure. That's a great way of seeing a world pass. Yeah.
By the time this podcast is released do you think they'll be 0-6 or 1-5? I don't know who's on the bump today in game two. Who's pitching right now? Jose Butoh?
Oh. Okay. I'm a fan. You remember the Butoh boys?
I thought he should have been in the starting rotation to start the season. So I guess Matt Manning who's a man I've never heard of before. I'm sure he's an okay pitcher for the Tigers. I'm going to say no.
I'm going to say 0-6. Okay. You think the energy's bad today? Well as I just mentioned to you it's always bad.
Sure. I mean when is it good? I mean when you're around. I think that's not true.
I think despite my point of view my spirit is powerful. Just like the film Ex Machina which is my number three just directed by Alex Garland that are sobering account of the potential influence of AI in our lives and also a sobering account of toxic masculinity. You know? And the way that men with power sometimes drive themselves and everyone around them to a kind of destruction.
Yes. You know? It's one of my favorite movies. What do you think that says about me?
Five star American classic from Alex Garland. My number two. We've got to do this now. We've got to have the point of order now.
Oh you're trying to release it here. Yeah. So my number two is The Virgin Suicide which is Sofia Popola's feature film debut and is a masterpiece. It debuted at Cannes in 1999 but it was released in the US in the year 2000.
It is eligible. It is eligible. Yes. So I just want you to say right here and right now that it is not eligible for the 1999 draft.
It is not eligible. I know but I need you to let all those other hooligans know. The other draftees. Yes.
Well let's just talk about this right now. We are doing the 1999 movie draft. This is our 49 draft. It's not three drafters.
It's not five drafters. It's seven drafters are coming to play. I believe Mallory and Joanna have already announced that they will be participating. Okay.
Oh good. I did not co-sign that announcement but they're also women of free will and I respect that. There's also two more people. Robin Honey.
We want another family. Chose those four because they participated in multiple drafts over the years. This is our 40th draft so I thought it would be fun to do something new. Seven people on the recording eight including Bobby.
Could be an issue. Yes. A little concerned. So you know what?
Not my problem. That's Bob Wagner's problem. So I'm going to really try to weigh in on Michael Tonkin's ERA on that pod. I'm going to wait until there's seven people there and I'm going to be like Van what do you think about Tonkin this year?
We should try to derail it into Met's talk. That's a good idea. I mean Mallory has already turned to the text thread in Orioles. Oriole Hill.
I mean she does every year. But we're in a new place. I know but it's like every April. It's like here we go and then you know we record at the end of the season and it's sad.
Version 2 has a great pick. Maybe emblematic of how everyone will be feeling at the end except for me as usual. My number two is Get Out. Yeah.
Pretty good movie. Speaking of Jordan Peele on this pod. Pretty good TV. I sure do love Jordan Peele.
I love his first film. Can't wait for his next film. I guess not coming until next year sadly. But this movie that hit like a bomb.
Just a profound announcement. I love when someone is well known for one thing and then I'm also a film director. That's my favorite thing that's ever happened. Sometimes Tom Ford did that once or he's actually able to make a movie now.
And then he made a pretty good movie. It was pretty good. I mean he hasn't quite had the Yes. And he made Sierra's beloved Nocturnal Animals as well.
Tom Ford's not had quite the Hollywood career that Jordan Peele has had since they launched him. I'm not trying to equate them. I think it's a similar experience that they're having. Shifting from sketch comedy to the world of social horror.
But it's like Get Out came out and we were like oh okay here is a generational talent and that has continued to be the case. And like his movies whether you understand them or not are still events. People argue about them anticipate them. Is Tom Ford's beard tattooed on his face?
No. How does it always look like that? Because he spends a lot of time grooming it because that is his business. Do you understand how much time professionally attractive people spend looking professionally attractive?
No. As a professionally unattractive person I don't have to worry about such things. In fact I'm leaning further and further into How is your exfoliating schedule going? It's rock solid.
Every night just rubbing it out just getting all that grease off. Stop. Stop. No I'm feeling great.
I mean I'm as pale as ever. My posture is utterly destroyed. I've got a deep sadness within me. That we're aware of because you can never find enjoyment.
Physical atrophy. About to have some sun chips for lunch. Sun chips for lunch. Harvest cheddar.
People on social media are like I know who you are and here's who you are. I know who I am. I know. I am a festering bowl of death.
It's understood. You can't one up me in my own pain. All right. Anyway.
Jordan Beale. Excellent filmmaker. Huge fan of his. What's your number one?
It's a little film called Lady Bird. Yeah. Was Lady Bird on the rewatchables? Not yet.
I don't think so. I think it's because I know that Bill really loved that movie but I know that he also I remember his review was that he watched it with his daughter and he's like I could have gotten a warning about the sex scene. I've got a review for that. But that was his feedback to me.
It was really great but I could have gotten a warning about the sex scene so I don't know whether you know. Point to me and Saoirse. Yeah. First of all no one could see the gesture that you just did.
This is an audio medium. Right. I just got in there. I speak with my hands.
I'm from New York. This is what we do. I need to see you. This is like what?
You're offended by me making a fist motion? No. I don't think that you needed to make this. That's a very funny honest scene in a wonderfully bracing honest movie about being a teenage girl.
And you guys are all just like well I mean like why are you scandalized by that sex scene? I stood up and applauded and I said this beautiful exploration of a young woman's femininity and coming of age is powerful for me. There was nothing to explore about it. It was just Timmy shirtless afterwards being like let me tell you about how it's in which is like definitely how all teenage sex scenes work.
That's what I'm saying. It was a big documentary. It was very true. I think the fist pump was appropriate.
My number one is Michael Clayton. Yeah. This also would have been on my list but you know. It's fine.
I don't feel bad having Lady Bird at number one. I need Tony Gilroy to put down the lightsabers and come back. I liked Andor. I'm on the Andor train.
You know I'm amazed by the wildly subversive ideas he's been able to shoehorn into the Star Wars properties. That's really cool that he did that. He's a great thinker. I'm glad he probably got paid a lot of money to do it.
You know I just like just come back to movies about guys in suits who are just like very unhappy and trying to figure out how to make things a little better. Yeah I agree. I love those movies. Is there a guy in a suit?
Is it slightly rumbled? Is he a bit hangdog? Has he had some issues in the past perhaps with gambling or alcohol? But he's very good at one thing.
right now that's a movie if you've got that you've got a film and michael clayton is one of those films i love michael clayton would you call that um trash suits garbage because we decided that it was not michael clayton was not garbage cash because it is in fact garbage it's not garbage it could be garbage law yeah junk law it could be yeah i guess so yeah it could be legal trash yeah but do you know any like prestige legal so this is this is a question about the garbage genres in general is like existentially must a prestige version of the genre exists for there to then be absolutely okay so herod the wind is prestigious law i guess so well those are courtroom movies which is different than law movie sure uh alex jones versus the truth is the insider yeah but that's more a little more journalism yeah true junk journalism is we'll have to bring brian curtis for that one okay uh that'd be great michael clayton is too prestigious to be junk but shitty versions of michael clayton movies i will watch yeah of course any honorable mentions for you wildlife paul danos debut um technically joe ray's pride and prejudice counts and that's a wonderful adaptation just from a linear timeline perspective yeah um and then i already mentioned to bring it on i guess sexy beast is also this um this generation as well jesus christ once again kirsten that's just coming through did you read that quote my take was i thought he was saying genocide is bad kiki gets it is she extremely smart or just plain spoken um maybe both okay i think she's smart and also a real person and also like we are grown up in hollywood so so she has she has like she was not ruined by the child actor experience but she still has all of those experiences do you think she should make another spider-man movie i mean as she said those movies pay well and she has two kids so i think she should do whatever she wants to do i think she should join uh hour three which is the name of the third episode of the week we'll be doing another piece of that of that profile reveal is that they're not friends with hollywood people except for glenn powell so our three is us plus glenn and kiki how do they even know each other from texas jesse and glenn but they never work together you know what i'm just saying because you're just like interrogating it's what i said in the profile and i'm programming our three here okay you're telling yourself and asking questions about it you're becoming like that's not actually actually you know those credits don't light up unless they have no connection i like those guys i'd like to sit in a bar quietly and observe glenn and jesse spend some time together that's not weird at all maybe i talk yeah what about that yeah i'm sure they'd love to i'm sure they'd love to hear all your thoughts about the mess um and i'm sure we know glenn hell's a baseball guy he clearly is magnificent as one yes sure but they don't care about the mess i would assume i don't know what would the other texas options be houston oh yeah i hope they're not astros fans seems plausible yeah but at some point you gotta you have to renounce it don't you think just like your own dignity renounce it i don't know how do you renounce it i know but the fans didn't do the cheating you know they don't have to renounce the team i don't care about that at all jose he's like literally one of the five best players i've seen right but he was the one like literally he was like don't take my shirt off because i have all the wiretaps on oh man you're a buzzer believer whoa whoa we've lost the plot you guys aren't fun about like sports pop culture you know you need to be more fun about the things that leave your little universe uh and make it to the mainstream we're just all out here trying to have a good time you just suggested sitting in a bar watching jesse plebens and like how we'll talk to each other and saying nothing just shoot pool hang out throw darts you're a nice frosty i just have a lot of opinions about the major league you know and i just well i was like well i was about to say i i was going to say major league baseball but i said the first and so then i was like well i guess i just have to say the major league do you sometimes podcasting is you know off the dome so it doesn't always work out yeah with frequency um bobby would you say this was a successful episode of the big picture um they're all successful to me you know we're bad thousand as far as i'm concerned okay excellent uh i did have some honorable mentions i've got to mention okay in bruges yeah martin mittano that's a good one uh i go right sean of the dead sure i love that movie i mean hereditary district nine aforementioned because of charles of copley i did have a movie on my list as well just like you uh donnie darko yes richard kelly ever make a movie again i don't know but he did my favorite movies guys when is he gonna get out of director jail i don't know if it'll ever happen what about james wan's saw i didn't know that that was this century i'm not saying that as like an expert on the song because i just feel like i've been living with them for oh four okay well that's great did i recount the plot of uh saw 10 for you no but you i think you did it on a different podcast that i listened to they like made jake saw the good guy who's fucking sick because he had cancer and they're like he's got cancer so he's a good guy now um maybe you were absolutely were you recounting that plot to tim simons by chance hi tim it's plausible um i listened to all of you know what i really liked was um at the end of jump fights when you when chris just started talking about how you and zach get invited i think that's slightly overstated i think there's some misconceptions about our performance in those public spaces um on the golf course or in general both yeah i mean i guess though zach is a borderline public person chris gotta be fucking careful watch your mouth chris that's something i want to say to him right now and he's listening to this do you think he listens to the very very end i know we should start putting messages chris here's my first message for you i had a lot of good 90s interviews as well before you before you inserted 21st century yeah i mean not like the obvious ones like but reservoir dogs right exactly kicking and screaming sex live and videotape yeah um nothing you do tom hanks's movie sure i love that that needs to be rewatched i'm in a death death struggle with bill simmons about tom cruise versus tom hanks so i might start actively negging tom hanks oh because you think that he's gonna you think that hanks is gonna win that category uh of cruise versus hanks yes i'm i'm on cruise mountain yeah sure i have scaled it okay and destroyed it okay powerful okay looking into the middle distance i thought you were referencing specifically the rewatchable category as opposed to the long-term that thing you do is really delightful i like it and it should be rewatchable also nancy myers with parent trap sure have you ever seen that yeah of course i have you actually yeah we did an entire nancy myers episode i rewatched every movie yeah okay well it's quite good yeah that's fine all right what's better hereditary or the parent trap hereditary is better oh sure but the parent trap is really really influential so you like the hayley mills version that's kind of boring you know at some point it's just like the 60s movies if you grow up with that it's just like hurry up you know what i'm saying safety's off we should continue recording something good is gonna come out of this i don't want to stop because now the real man has emerged get on with it i mean this pacing is different uh-huh are attention things are different amanda's in there watching strange love she's like launch the bomb yeah blow them up already i mean it's also not like the punchlines intended for like a 10 year old in the 60s are funny i mean the punchlines intended for a 10 year old in the 90s are not funny to a 40 year old either no they're pretty the narrative character is pretty funny bobby's not in bobby knows what's up yeah you don't know toxified by your own nostalgia no that movie's a five-star masterpiece sean yeah you gotta get on board guys you gotta get on board yeah giving the performance of a lifetime not true that game in the film the canyon started by paul trader there it is who else yeah yeah she's good rp yeah one of the greats um lisa ann walter no i know but that's like when she did the whole bit at oscars i was like no that's the housekeeper from paratrap because once again that's actually that's how we got on to i don't know how to turn my tv on and watch 30 minutes of comedy i can't believe a huge part of my professional life has been devoted to this with you okay how many tv shows are you watching right now though uh let's see the list show gun yeah yeah yeah survivor oh right top chef okay um narrative only okay let me pull up i mean curve oh okay okay finale okay you know not the best curve season of all time but just happy to have it um x-men 97 oh where do you fall on that i thought charles holmes put it very well on the watch so did i never seen any of the any of the things discussed but i thought charles was great on the watch well he pointed out that like this desire to kind of make 35 year olds eight years old again is a bit of a disease this one perhaps more than any other because the original x-men show literally was for eight year olds you know like logan is not for eight year olds logan's for 19 year olds and 40 year olds but like the animated x-men cartoon is a saturday morning cartoon it was for kids who woke up and ate sugary cereal and watched cartoons so i feel a bit silly sitting home watching x-men on the other hand i love the x-men i'm just happy to be with cyclops and gene that's beautiful yeah so that's okay uh i intend to watch manhunt but i haven't gotten there yeah that's why i sent these yeah i haven't gotten there i'm not i did not enjoy the three-body problem zach really liked it zach yeah or at least he really liked the first episode i haven't checked in recently because frankly that train has left the station and i'm not on it or do i care about it i will be watching ripley so will i but you're concerned yeah not about interspot but everybody else it's not how i would cast it i don't even know who's in the cast but it actually debuted today the day that we were recording so i'll be checking that out and then the next on my list is the sympathizer oh yeah which is april 14th on hbo okay maybe i'll check that out i don't think i've watched a television show this year tv is very bad yeah no like i literally i don't think that i've watched a new show in 2024 so mr assistant tried it remember but then they were asleep yeah yeah i mean tv's bad i don't know what to say i don't really see that's why i brought this up because i knew that together we could but still you spend so much of your time watching the giggle box and for what the giggle box uh well i'm able to watch this you know i want to play baseball yeah unfortunately for me this is a very interesting episode um you could accomplish a lot sometimes episodes like this work sometimes bob thanks for your work on this episode it's my pleasure uh we will be talking about the best movies of the year so far i'm i think i'm gonna go see dune part two again okay on friday it's like oh during the afternoon okay yeah i can't do that okay because we could have seen that moment at that time but i'm not available okay so great great flexibility i'm sorry talk to bill okay i i want to spend a little bit of time on dune part two in that discussion because we never really got a chance to circle back to it but i also do want to talk about you know somewhere between like five and 15 movies that have come out this year they're a little under the radar so over the weekend i'll share you my list great you can share yours you can be prepared to type in on the movies there have been a few things that have been pretty fun that i look forward to shining a light on maybe not as much as we'd like on the big big tent right but i think it'll be a conversation yeah um and yeah thank you for uh hanging in to this has been the mess broadcast this is uh the first episode this has not been a long-running series and i'll see you next week