EPISODE · Apr 16, 2026 · 1H 4M
Most Crypto Users Are One Mistake Away
from Holistic Investment w Constantin Kogan · host Constantin Kogan
In this fascinating and practical conversation, Dmitry Tokarev, founder of Copper and co founder of Bron, joins host Constantin Kogan to break down one of the biggest unsolved problems in crypto: security for real users.From growing up in Siberia and discovering trading at a young age, to building Copper into one of the world’s leading institutional custody firms, and now leading Bron with a mission to bring institutional grade wallet security to retail users.This is a conversation about why crypto still feels dangerous for most people and what it will take to finally fix that.Dmitry Tokarev Reveals:🔐 Why most retail crypto wallets are still dangerously outdated🧠 The real difference between institutional custody and retail self custody🧩 What MPC actually means and why institutions rely on it📱 Why seed phrases should never have been the long term answer🚨 How people are really losing crypto today through phishing, SIM swaps, address poisoning, and physical attacks🛡️ Why Bron was built to remove the biggest security mistakes users make👥 How social recovery and successors can protect users without seed phrases⏳ Why time delays and approval policies matter for serious crypto holders🌍 What the future of crypto custody looks like as more real world assets move on chain⚙️ Why user experience, not just security, is the next big unlock for adoption📚 The book that changed Dmitry’s career path🌅 What peace of mind means to him and how he thinks about life🎯 Watch if you are:• A crypto holder worried about wallet security• A founder building in wallets, custody, or on chain infrastructure• An investor trying to understand where crypto UX still fails• Someone curious about the gap between institutional crypto and retail crypto• Or simply trying to protect yourself better in this spaceThis episode explores why the next breakthrough in crypto may not be a new token or protocol, but a safer way for normal people to actually hold their assets.“Retail should not be forced to understand all this crazy stuff just to stay safe.” - Dmitry Tokarev“If you can lose everything with one mistake, the product is broken.” - Dmitry TokarevLearn more about Bron here: https://go.bron.org/constantinkogan05Follow Dmitry Tokarev and Bron:🌐 Bron: https://bron.org/💻 LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/tokarevdmitry/✖️ X: https://x.com/tokarev_d✉️ For business inquiries: [email protected]🎧 Listen to the full podcast here:https://anchor.fm/constantinkoganFollow me on socials:🌐 Website: https://ckogan.com📲 Telegram: https://t.me/constantinkogan📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/constkogan/💻 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/constantin-kogan✖️ X: https://x.com/constkogan🎙 Podcast: https://anchor.fm/constantinkoganTimestamps0:00 - From Siberia to crypto custody pioneer3:20 - Why trading led Dmitry into building products4:52 - The three generations of crypto custody6:42 - What MPC means in simple terms8:29 - Why retail security is still broken11:39 - How Bron removes seed phrase risk15:13 - Social recovery, successors, and inheritance17:39 - How Bron handles real world wallet security19:57 - Why crypto users are now physical targets23:21 - How to protect large holdings from coercion28:58 - The hacks, scams, and attack patterns hurting retail33:38 - Three simple steps to protect yourself today39:17 - Dmitry’s view on the future of on chain assets45:52 - The DeFi risk most users still do not understand58:03 - Dmitry Tokarev on the meaning of life1:00:04 - The book that changed his direction1:02:26 - Where to follow Dmitry and Bron#DmitryTokarev #ConstantinKogan #Bron #Copper #CryptoSecurity #SelfCustody #WalletSecurity #Blockchain #Crypto #DigitalAssets #HolisticInvestments
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In this fascinating and practical conversation, Dmitry Tokarev, founder of Copper and co founder of Bron, joins host Constantin Kogan to break down one of the biggest unsolved problems in crypto: security for real users.From growing up in Siberia and discovering trading at a young age, to building Copper into one of the world’s leading institutional custody firms, and now leading Bron with a mission to bring institutional grade wallet security to retail users.This is a conversation about why crypto still feels dangerous for most people and what it will take to finally fix that.Dmitry Tokarev Reveals:🔐 Why most retail crypto wallets are still dangerously outdated🧠 The real difference between institutional custody and retail self custody🧩 What MPC actually means and why institutions rely on it📱 Why seed phrases should never have been the long term answer🚨 How people are really losing crypto today through phishing, SIM swaps, address poisoning, and physical attacks🛡️ Why Bron was built to remove the biggest security mistakes users make👥 How social recovery and successors can protect users without seed phrases⏳ Why time delays and approval policies matter for serious crypto holders🌍 What the future of crypto custody looks like as more real world assets move on chain⚙️ Why user experience, not just security, is the next big unlock for adoption📚 The book that changed Dmitry’s career path🌅 What peace of mind means to him and how he thinks about life🎯 Watch if you are:• A crypto holder worried about wallet security• A founder building in wallets, custody, or on chain infrastructure• An investor trying to understand where crypto UX still fails• Someone curious about the gap between institutional crypto and retail crypto• Or simply trying to protect yourself better in this spaceThis episode explores why the next breakthrough in crypto may not be a new token or protocol, but a safer way for normal people to actually hold their assets.“Retail should not be forced to understand all this crazy stuff just to stay safe.” - Dmitry Tokarev“If you can lose everything with one mistake, the product is broken.” - Dmitry TokarevLearn more about Bron here: https://go.bron.org/constantinkogan05Follow Dmitry Tokarev and Bron:🌐 Bron: https://bron.org/💻 LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/tokarevdmitry/✖️ X: https://x.com/tokarev_d✉️ For business inquiries: [email protected]🎧 Listen to the full podcast here:https://anchor.fm/constantinkoganFollow me on socials:🌐 Website: https://ckogan.com📲 Telegram: https://t.me/constantinkogan📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/constkogan/💻 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/constantin-kogan✖️ X: https://x.com/constkogan🎙 Podcast: https://anchor.fm/constantinkoganTimestamps0:00 - From Siberia to crypto custody pioneer3:20 - Why trading led Dmitry into building products4:52 - The three generations of crypto custody6:42 - What MPC means in simple terms8:29 - Why retail security is still broken11:39 - How Bron removes seed phrase risk15:13 - Social recovery, successors, and inheritance17:39 - How Bron handles real world wallet security19:57 - Why crypto users are now physical targets23:21 - How to protect large holdings from coercion28:58 - The hacks, scams, and attack patterns hurting retail33:38 - Three simple steps to protect yourself today39:17 - Dmitry’s view on the future of on chain assets45:52 - The DeFi risk most users still do not understand58:03 - Dmitry Tokarev on the meaning of life1:00:04 - The book that changed his direction1:02:26 - Where to follow Dmitry and Bron#DmitryTokarev #ConstantinKogan #Bron #Copper #CryptoSecurity #SelfCustody #WalletSecurity #Blockchain #Crypto #DigitalAssets #HolisticInvestments
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