Most Haunted: Vermont

In the dead of night, as people sleep, that is when the spirits creep. As the bell tolls three dark things take power, we like to call it the supernatural hour. Hey, welcome to the supernatural hour. This is your host Raven.

This is Chad. This is Moon. This is Velma. And this is Aurora.

Chad, you're the single man out here. We got a whole lot of estrogen going on here. Yeah. All power.

Whoo, whoo, whoo. All right. So we have some investigations to talk about, but we won't get to those until later. So if you want to hear about some fun stuff, just going to have a quick talk about the investigations.

We had a Castle Come and take some photos. We had a group team investigation and we'll talk about the actual investigation a bit later and what went on. But Castle does a great job. We're looking forward to seeing the pictures.

But you can go to castlephotoart.com to see his stuff and to get an idea of the kind of work he does. Yeah. And speaking of Castle, we are doing a, he's going to do a revamp of our websites. So they need an update.

We have updated them a little bit here and there, but he's going to give them a whole new look. And so if you happen to log on and something, something really weird or glitchy, just give it a minute, he might be working on it. By the under construction. Exactly.

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So if you are from Vermont and you're listening, I would like you to just email in. Give us a little shout out. Tell us if you've been to any of these places. But it really sounds beautiful.

I had never been to Vermont. But Vermont is known for really pretty rolling green mountains. I'm from the west so I would love to see what Vermont now looks like. I know they've got skiing there so they've got to be pretty decent.

They have covered bridges which I think are just beautiful. Anything I've seen online, they just look like little storybook towns that you just want to see, Bell or Cinderella's throwing through. But even though this is so pretty and charming, they're spooky. They've got some dark stuff going on there.

So they've got forests along forgotten roads and they've got walls from centuries old buildings. The past lingers and stuff like that. And sometimes it doesn't want to stay silent. Sometimes it wants to literally roar.

So tonight we're going to discuss the haunted side of the green mountain state. There's cursed bridge hauntings, there's heartbreak, there's a bitings and triangle. These are just some of the places we're going to talk about where history and the paranormal will be collide. So get comfy, we're going to explore the five most haunted places in Vermont.

So get some popcorn and let's dive in. Now Moon, I think you are going to start us off with a bridge. Yes ma'am, I will. Is there goats with the bridge and goat man bridge?

Yeah. You know, we did a goat man bridge thing a while back. That was before her time. So the gold brick bridge, commonly known as Emily's Bridge, was built in the 1840s and is now one of Vermont's most famous ghost stories.

The legend tells of Emily, who was a young woman who either died by hanging herself on the bridge raptors after being stood up by her lover, who her family did totally disapprove of. So listen to your family, right? Typically, or tragically died in a carriage crash on the way to a wedding in an accident at the bridge. Or it said that she jumped off the bridge after being rejected and finding out she was priggles.

So that is three possibilities of how the bridge became haunted. Witness accounts say numerous visitors have reported hearing a woman's pain screams echoing through the covered bridge at night along with footsteps or rope tightening. Probably if she hung herself the rope tightening, that's kind of disturbing. But yeah, some drivers have found fresh scratch marks on their car after driving through the bridge, even when no one else was present.

So as a nail tech, I'm going to weigh in on this because most nails can't be digging into the paint when scratching. So I'm going to chalk that one up probably to animals. I'm going to interject right here before you finish. So Moon, as you all know, or if you're new to the podcast, you're going to learn.

She's my nail tech. And I know that she just did Velma's nails too, because we got pictures of them. And Moon told me something that is supposed to be my new monster. And I've known this for 15 years, because she's done my nails for 15 years.

15 years, can you believe that? Nails are jewels, not tools. Correct. There you go.

Correct. But yeah, like I do some sharps to let o's and I really don't see them like scratching up the paint. You need a key. You need something metal, you know?

I don't know. That one just was like, I don't know about that. So a few people claim to have felt invisible hands pulling on their clothes or the steering wheel, which car crash as they cross the bridge. There's also reports of being scratched and claims of neck pains.

Makes sense if she was hung, right? Paranormal to paranormal investigators have captured unexplained EVPs, which we all know is voices that you don't hear on a recording, right? And that's believed to be Emily's voice crying or calling out. And they've also got claims of orbs in photos.

But you know what I found is I did a little bit more research on this is somebody, some woman in the 70s claims that she made up the story because she wanted people to stay away from her area. So people are still experiencing things. So not to say that there's not something there, but I don't know if the story is completely legit like we were all hoping. Now, see, and I'm just a little bit of a...

Thank you, Chad. I'm a little bit of a paranormal romantic, so I'm just going to pretend like it's real because that's cool. But disregard what I just said if you want to live in that world. Exactly.

But you know, there is some juice of that. A lot of the paranormal, how much of it has just gone on for centuries that it's just hearsay. You know, and how much is real? Who knows?

Ruth. All right. So you've all heard of the Bermuda Triangle, right? So apparently in southwestern Vermont, there's something called the Bennington Triangle.

This was named by author Joseph A. Citro. And the Bennington Triangle is a mysterious area encompassing the areas of Glastonbury Mountain and some nearby towns. So the story goes between 1945 and 1950, there were five people that vanished.

No trace. And it wasn't just people. One of these people was actually an experienced hiker named Paula Weldon. And it was just really shocking that she would disappear because she was so experienced.

And because she disappeared, it just kind of brought on one of Vermont's largest search efforts trying to find her. There's a few witness accounts. And what they hear are eerie feelings of being watched. And these are given by hikers at a hike in the same area.

There's an eerie feeling of being watched. They describe moments where the forest falls completely silent. And if you've ever been in a forest or, you know, otherwise there's always going to be wind rustling the leaves or a bug or a bird tweeting. But this phenomenon, some people call the dead silence zone where there's just nothing.

There's a lot of people that live locally say that they seem to see strange lights in the sky. And they also see large shadowy figures moving through the trees. And some of that could be paralloped of paradoleum. Who knows?

We're paranoid. Or paranoia. Or paranoia. Or it could be a shadowy figure.

Who knows? Some believe that the area is a hotspot for interdimensional activities. So kind of like the skinwalker ranch of Utah just in Vermont. Other people say that the disappearances are connected to Native American legends.

So maybe indicating that the mountain is cursed perhaps or protected by Native Americans. Native American spirits. So because of this activity, there's been a lot of paranormal teams that have gone out there and investigated. And they report sudden equipment malfunctions.

Compass readings going all haywire and weird in specific spots within this triangle area. So that to me sounds very interesting. Again, if you live in Vermont and you live in or close to this area, I want you to get all of us.apps.wisps.contact.gmail.com and let us know what you got going on there. I think it's kind of cool that they've got kind of that triangle thing like the Bermuda Triangle where paranormal stuff happened.

Cool. So the Wilson Castle, it was built in the 1860s by wealthy physician and has since changed ownership a bunch of castles. The unique architectural blend of Gothic, Romanes, and Dutch influences is now open for tours and paranormal investigation. I think it sounds like a really cool place to go in old castle.

The 1860s. The witness accounts are visitors frequently. Her footsteps there in the hallways when no one is around at presence. When there's no one else there, they hear the doors opening and closing on their own.

A lot of stuff like that. Kind of some of the standard paranormal things that you have in old buildings and where there's things. Some guests have seen a woman in Victorian clothing gazing out of the windows and standing near the castle's music room. That would be kind of cool.

The paranormal groups have captured audio recordings and voices and reported scene shadow figures starting across the grand staircase. So there's a school grand staircase in there. Yeah, it'd be awesome to go and see this. A former caretaker claimed to have heard piano music playing late at night right in the empty room.

And that would be pretty awesome. I know sometimes my Alexa goes off and does weird things, but I don't think this is. So we have had piano music playing our house by spirit before. We've told this story a couple of times, but I was home alone.

My son walked in the house and the piano would have been between me and him. There's a wall where I couldn't see it, but I saw him walk in the house. I heard two or three notes on my piano play and he said, or I said to him, did you just play the piano? And he looked at me and he's like, Mom, you just saw me not to play the piano.

I said, is there anybody sitting at the piano? And he goes, no. I said, did you hear that? Or was it just me?

He goes, no. I don't know, playing in a castle. That would be way cooler than in my forever. I think they're both equally cool.

I don't know. If it was in your house, it would be way cooler than if it was in my house. Okay, so the next place we're going to talk about is called Battleboro Retreat, which in and of itself sounds cool. So Battleboro, Vermont.

This was a place established in 1834, and it was established as a progressive psychiatric hospital. Progressive for 1834. Keep that in mind. The Battleboro Retreat was one of the earliest institutions that treated mental illness with compassion.

I care about a lot of the places that they would treat early mental illnesses and they were given the bottomies and doing all sorts of shock therapy and things that just really sounded kind of barbaric. This actually was a place where they did it with compassion. And over time, some of the older buildings were abandoned for new facilities and whatever. But as the facility developed, it got a reputation for hauntings, as most abandoned buildings are going to do, or any place where they're treating mental illnesses or just any kind of illness or injuries really.

So as far as some things that have been reported, staff that work the night shift say that they see shadowy figures that move through locked rooms and along, there's like a tower there that's closed, and they'll see figures moving through the tower. A lot of the workers there will hear footsteps pacing above them, even though the upstairs is sealed off, and so there's no way that people could be up there. Paranormal investigators describe hearing whispers and muffled voices that seem to come from the walls. There's no people there that they could hear it from.

So just your regular, I don't want to say run of the mill, but just your disembodied voice when you're on an investigation. And it's an area that's really popular with urban explorers. And they like to go and visit abandoned buildings and just kind of see what's in there, which I really want to do too, but I'll go to that one one there. They have reported intense feelings of dread, disorientation, and unexplained temperature drops.

So as I'm listening to these, if I could only go to one place in Vermont so far I want to go to the castle, but this battleborough retreat, ooh, is a close second. Belma, what you got? So I wanted to talk about the Equinox Hotel in Manchester, Vermont. It was built in 1769, and it's had a lot of famous visitors, in particular four US presidents and one vice president.

They had President William Howard Taft, Ulysses S. Grant, Theodore Roosevelt, Benjamin Harris, and Vice President Jane Lescherman. Roosevelt even gave a campaign speech in front of the lawn there, but very famously it was Mary Todd Lincoln and her kids. So President Abraham Lincoln's wife visited the Equinox and her two sons were with her during the summer of 1864.

And they loved it so much that she made reservations to visit the following summer. A special suite was constructed for them in anticipation, but the president was assassinated at April 14th, 1865, so they never made it there. But Lincoln's son, Robert Todd Lincoln, loved the area so much they built his summer estate just down the road. And in this location, Gatsaw reported seeing the apparition of Mary Todd Lincoln walking the halls and appearing near the windows of the upper floors.

Hotel staff have heard the sound of children laughing and running in the hallways, even though no children were staying in the hotel at the time. And several visitors claimed it felt cold drafts, experienced flickering lights, or found furniture and it's quickly moved in their rooms. Paranormal investigators have documented EMF or Electromagnetic Fields readings and audio recordings of the Williams' voice of whispering names. So yeah, it'd be interesting to see a famous American history type of ghost there.

Well, and the interesting thing is Mary Todd Lincoln was so into the paranormal. I don't know exactly how it works. I don't want to find out any time soon. But where she was so interested in it, it wasn't surprising if she came back to places that were familiar to her or that she liked just to hang out and maybe give us the experience.

I don't know what her mind said is. It's just that her husband would join her there in the afterlife to enjoy all the stuff that she liked about it. Exactly. Come on, let's go hang out and talk to the ghost hunters.

Yeah. So, the final one we're talking about tonight. Yes I do, which is Norwich University in Northfield, Vermont. So Norwich University was founded in 1819.

It's the oldest private military college in the United States and has a longstanding reputation for paranormal activity, surprise. With its deep military roots and the intense emotional experiences associated with the site, it's honestly no surprise that ghost stories are woven into campus life there. Cadets have reported seeking the ghost of a man in 19th century military uniform, walking the halls of the oldest dormitories, particularly in the alumni hall and Dewey hall buildings. And some students have been woken in the middle of the night by the sensation of someone sitting on their bed only to find no one there.

I hate that feeling. I get that the few times I've had sleep paralysis and it's terrifying. I don't like it. Other things that have happened are footsteps and knocking sounds.

Those are commonly heard in empty rooms. And a few cadets claim to have seen chairs moving on their own in the old drill rooms. We've got security guards report that motion detectors are frequently triggered in locked unoccupied buildings with no physical explanation found on inspection. So you can say the University embraces its haunted reputation.

Those tours have become popular and both students and faculty have shared their chilling experiences for decades. I think it's really cool that a lot of these places embrace that. It's so hard sometimes to get really cool venues and all of these sound like amazing places to go and invest. And it's great that people are embracing the paranormal aspect of their history and their venues.

It's exactly what I was going to say. You get so many places. In fact, I called somewhere just a couple of weeks ago and it would have been a fantastic venue in the Salt Lake area. I explained what we wanted to do and they were very nice but they said, oh, that's not part of our business model.

It's a great place to go to something. People either are very, very wary of it or love it. I mean, there's not really any in between. And we are so grateful for those venues that do allow us to come, like the clubhouse to have a great investigation at.

We'll talk about it a little bit later. And the old family tree that is being redone where we can investigate their petitini, just a number of the venues that we are able to get into. We are so grateful to be able to ask those venues because they are terrific. We have some terrific, haunted venues here in the state.

We really do. So thank you. So that's not every haunted venue in Vermont. If you're from there, I know you might be thinking, well, what about this place?

What about that place? We're the supernatural hour, not the supernatural, five or six hours. So we just briefly talked about a few. And sometimes when you talk about hauntings, they really leave you with more questions and answers.

You have to ask yourself, like Moon said, are these ghost stories that are just passed down to make it scary and they've kind of blurred the lines between story and reality? Or are they ghosts? Are they spirits and echoes of real people who were here and they never left? We've talked about footsteps in the abandoned hospitals, lingering spirits in historic hotels, voices that call out from haunted bridges.

And just a reminder that there are some places whether you're in Vermont or anywhere in the world can hold memories that refuse to leave and whether that's because they're being held here by people that are still here or they don't want to leave. Who knows? But the next time you're in Vermont and you're wandering around, take a second, look around. Do you see something out of the corner of your eye?

Take some of the cold one with you. Say hello because you might not be alone. So again, if you're from the Green Mountain State and you've had an experience, share it with us and we will share it with our listeners. All right, I want to change gears and shout out the mystic frog, the place for all things spiritual, metaphysical and occult.

And that leads into our segment with Aurora. Where would you have for us today in the tech world? Okay, like I said, I always hope I come with something scenic, maybe not everybody's heard of, but I may be the only one. And again, if anybody has some, if you've ever used this before or feedback, I love it.

So this that I came across is called the Particle Counter and we've got the Orb Queen on here with us, Moon. Got to love Moon, the Orb Queen. And all of us are big on debunking, right? We always wanted to debunk and make sure truly and wholly what we have found is paranormal.

But what the Particle Counter does is a tool that determines the dust in the air. It literally just helps you decide the likelihood of it being an Orb in a photo or dust in a photo. It uses like laser scattering technology to measure the number and size of dust particles in the air. Has anybody heard of it?

Used it? Feedback? What do you think? I have not.

The only dust particle machine I've ever used is my eyeballs. Right? And it's a little so. Yeah.

And it says it can go really, really tiny. All the different sizes. It'll actually gauge the size of the dust particles. It's one of the ghost tube things with the videos.

I've taken some night videos on there. And it's very interesting because sometimes you can see the flow, the general flow of the dust in the night mode and how things are moving. And then the Orb's whiskey got a great one at that family tree last time we were there. It was like three in the morning after we were all gone.

You'd see the general flow of the air movement with dust particles and things like that. And then this Orb appeared and just completely came into existence and floated around and went from right to left against the air flow. And it was considerably brighter than the other dust particles. And then it just winked out.

It was a very, very cool, very cool video that whiskey had. You probably wouldn't even need a particle counter. That was amazing video. I was like, yeah, so I think it's an interesting piece of equipment again for people that are super, super into the tech and debunking and without a shadow of doubt.

Was it an Orb or was it a dust? I think it's an interesting piece of equipment that we might need to get and try out. So just curious. Sorry, I didn't mean to talk over here.

No, go ahead. What is the cost on this? So this one is a little bit pricier. The one I came across and you can find used ones I think available.

This one is just shy of 300. So we're sitting at around $275. That would be great though because you could kind of get the general size of any dust is all going to be different. But if you can determine the general size in one location and if you get an Orb that's a different size, that's an Orb that you can look at and go, hmm, nice.

Thanks Aurora. That was cool. Thank you. Alright, and now we are going to move it on to Raven and the Jockshore.

By the way, Raven, I did try to look up your TikTok and it seems pretty inactive. What's going on there? It's in school and now that I'm out of school, I just need to get back into it. So that's going to be on my list of things to do is to have a lot of cool stuff I need to get up on TikTok.

So if you are a TikToker, we will get our apps page with some new stuff on it. So, alright, our Jockshore which is sponsored by the Huey Shoeforming Arts and Cultural Events Center. So if you want to look at, I know they do karaoke on Wednesday nights. Open mic, open mic.

So they do not karaoke but open mic. I don't know what the difference of that is. Moon, can you put your mic? I can tell you.

What's your mic means? So that means, they'll just have a bunch of people and you just go and get your name on a list and they'll go through the list. So there's always a line for karaoke if you're going for karaoke. So yeah, open mic is just you're doing it with a bunch of people where there's other styles of karaoke that you can go into rooms and just do it by yourself and you don't have to wait for a bunch of people or you can bring a few friends and yeah, because sometimes the wait is long.

Like I gotta wait for an hour and an hour and a half. Sometimes at karaoke, if the other singers are good, I'm all about it. But if they're bad, it's painful, you know? When I just went to Puerto Rico, I wandered the streets a little tonight.

It was safe and it was old San Juan and I came across this like cute artsy little store and I had an open mic night in the back and looked like Harry Potter's like a little closet of art and they were just doing poetry and beautiful little songs, a little open night night. I was into it so. That sounds fun. But I'm a horrible singer.

I could go listen but I couldn't participate. Anywho. Alright, so our juncture, we are going to get a little bit into scandal, a little bit of politics, don't worry we'll stay neutral and a little bit of paranormal and we're going to put it all into one little bunch. So we've got haunted homes, ghostly tentacles, have to make sure I say that right.

And stormy Daniels. We all know stormy Daniels from her little debacle, right? Well apparently she has a tentacled shadow bean terrorizing her place and it's not just knocking over furniture, it actually shattered her ex's guitar. So this ghost has got some rage and apparently he likes a little bit of rock music.

So if you don't know who stormy Daniels is, she is an adult film actress, turned paranormal enthusiast. She claims that she was haunted in her New Orleans home by what she describes as a very, very dark non-human thing with tentacles. So according to her, this shadowy entity was captured on camera and she says that it just was far from nice. And so we're going to go back to her ex's guitar.

It shattered simply by this entity being near it. So Daniels also describes the presence of a sorrowful woman, spirit, who lost a child. And apparently this spirit stands in the kitchen. And the feeling that this entity put out could actually make stormy break into tears.

And so she had some mediums come and the mediums have said that the woman had self-harming tendencies. Daniel also feels watched by an old mirror upstairs. You know how I feel about mirrors? I don't doubt that at all.

And they believe that the spirit that is watching stormy Daniels is linked to a spirit of a lady of the night, which I think is ironic. And they said that this lady of the night feels protective of Daniels because she also has kind of a lady of the night background. I don't know if she was actually a prostitute, but she was an adult film actress. And anyway, so apparently she has maybe a protective spirit that watches her from a mirror.

So we all know that there was kind of a, this is where the politics comes in. Daniels testified in President Trump's, he wasn't president at the time. I don't believe Hush Money Trial. And so when she's talking about her paranormal claims, when she was in this trial, her paranormal claims came under fire because as we've talked about, some people think paranormal is really cool.

Other people think it's hokey and they're going to question your mental status. But even under cross-examination, she maintained that the spirit's physically attacked her boyfriend, though some of the phenomenon were actually debunked as an oversized possum. Opossum under the house. So there you go.

That's the thing they haven't oversized possum. And isn't that something like from Princess Bride, they're like creatures of unusual size? Ro-hose or something, the rats unusual size. Yeah, so when I think of oversized possums, that's the first thing that came to mind was Princess Bride.

And they look like a possums in them. Over-to-death. Great movie, great documentary. I grew up watching that show, I love it.

It's a very small. Yes. So when were they called it, the rats unusual size? Rodents.

Rodents of unusual size. Thank you. I literally watched that probably two or three months ago. They'll not just save the day.

Awesome. Okay, we had we've had two investigations since our last podcast. So the first one, we'll start out with, let's start out with the most recent one actually. We had Castle come out and do photos.

Sadly, some of us couldn't be there, so we could have to do another set of photos and then use this magic and make us look like we were all there on the same day. But we went hunting at, or they went hunting at Kwan's Park. It's up. Plosico.

For Canyon. The Battle Creek Canyon, I was going to call it Battle Creek Park. There's a whole fiasco there a couple years ago. Trying to get the name right.

So they did photos. I'm excited to see those. But it sounds like there's some really interesting stuff going on between an SLS and our own Aurora. So I wasn't there.

I had to be an Idaho to wedding. Do tell. I need to hear this. Oh, this is all Aurora's department.

Well, you guys were the ones watching it happens. I know that it is on my story. So I had the SLS looking around and the only thing I kept seeing was a stick figure like next to or near you. So I kept moving around to see if it was still there.

And then it stayed there and then just appeared. Because we had to scoot around yourself to see if you were in a different part of the wall because they're kind of sitting in the living room along the wall. We ended up going to Whiskey's grandma's house just because it was getting colder and dark. And I personally, for moon, I like to hunt inside better than outside just because of noise contamination and things like that.

There were some noisy partiers there also. Also, empire, like so smells and things. Everything was a little bit tainted. So we decided to go to Whiskey's grandma's house.

So continue. Well, it was one of the last times I ever got to go in there because they're renovating it and stuff. So I'm going to get one more time in. And so, you know, trying to eliminate some possibilities of the stick figure because of how you were sitting on the wall there.

So and that's when we see the stick figure just like on your head and like all over you. Well, the narration went like this. Oh my gosh, he's rubbing his hand on your head. Oh my gosh, he's scooting his butt to your face.

Oh my gosh, he's rubbing your butt in your face because I was recording it. But I played with SLS a little bit too. It's actually Christie's device. And so I'm not super duper familiar.

I know like it can map things that are just stationary objects and things like that. And so I was playing with it and if as it looks like the butt was rubbing its butt and Aurora's face, like the SLS had moved. And so I was playing with that later and then I noticed it move as well as I dragged it closer to Whiskey when I was recording near him by a mantle. And so I think it was the movement and not necessarily butt rubbing.

It was still near you, but maybe just not it's blood. Well, and the way SLS works for everybody knows about that stick figure, what I've kind of come to is kind of a creepier conclusion. So we're going to stick with the funny button face, I think. But because we can't tell if they were it did look like there was bending and I'm thinking it might have actually been bending towards me.

So instead of the butt towards me in a button face, I almost wonder if it wasn't bending towards me down to look me in the face because again with a stick figure and it's not necessarily three dimensional. Is it bending towards me? Is it bending away from me? But on that note, we did some of how some goes to words come across.

I believe Moon kept getting funny and I had buttocks for the first time come across mine. So I mean, it was maybe it was just being cheeky pun intended. Well, something that would really help with that sort of 3D issue is I wish I would have brought and it's XLS because then we could look at 3D space. So that's something we could like have an SLS and XLS and see if there's some comparisons for the future.

I think at the end of the day we can clear something was there, something was next to me. There was nothing for the bulk of the evening and for it to just appear and show up and do it, you know what I mean, just to show up. It was pretty funny and it was pretty awesome though, at the same time. But this is really exciting.

Dad came along with us and he partied with us and goes hunting with us. So I want to know Chad's experience with us. He was upstairs in a craft room with us. It used to be a craft room.

Now it's just empty. But did you have any experiences or think anything was funny? What did you think about all that, Chad? I was doing the ghost tube, the voice that came across them.

I was throwing them out as they came up and there were a lot of them. You kept getting with an Anna or Hannah? Anna. A lot.

I didn't get names, but I did get a lot of words. Some of which seem to be pretty relevant with what the discussions and the things that we were looking at and talking about. I do like the ghost tube products. They're pretty good.

You can get those to go out on to the internet and get them for free. I think they work on both Android and iPhone devices. You can get a free version of those. You can pay a very little bit of money and then you don't get some of the advertisement.

And I don't make any money saying that. But as phone apps go, I feel pretty good about those. And they've got an SLS equivalent in one of the ghost tubes apps and then some video and some other things. So if you're looking for a phone app, I highly recommend those.

I think other people on the team are also using those quite a bit. But as far as other things that went on, it was just a great time. We had a good time both up at the Battle Creek with the little get together, the potluck dinner that we had. And then we did have some people up there making a fire.

I actually took some pictures in case the mountain burned down to show that it wasn't us. We didn't have any fire, but there were some people up there that were making a pretty big fire. And I thought if this burns down, I don't want them to go. Well, it was a dense paranormal that rented the pavilion.

So I did take that, but apparently the mountain didn't burn down. So that's good. But we had a good time there. Castle did a great job with the photos as we talked about.

And all of you went up to, well, you started up to the water and a couple of you turned around and came back before there. I didn't even go up. I stayed and watched held down the forts, make sure that nothing got taken. I couldn't go all the way to the waterfall.

Listen, for the record, Phil and I made it. We made it to the football. I was going to get to that. I provided my degree to our guide whiskey.

Oh, I have. Okay. Y'all know I like bling. If you haven't heard, I like bling and rhinestones and all the pretty things in life, you know?

And I was wearing my bleep sandals because no one told me that we were going to go on a hike. Well, we all went up singing some songs, you know, walking up the mountain. And I don't know, me and Kristi got about halfway to the waterfall from what I'm understanding. Aurora is giving me a look like no, you didn't.

Maybe a third of the way. I don't know. And I was like, I don't like where. So we turned around and walked down because for when I was already sore from movement earlier that day, like dancing, not to be weird.

Movement didn't sound good. So I had like dance soreness from that day and I was wearing the wrong shoes. And I'm just like, this is life for me tonight. So, Vellin and Mel, didn't you say that Kristi and Moon bailed out about five yards before he actually got to the water?

Well, it was like a baby part of it. There was like a little bridgy waterfall section. And so we're like, oh, you missed on that. But we kept trying along until we got the slidey slate ground.

And even I was a little concerned, but Whiskey was like, it's fine. I'll be right behind you. We could catch you and like whatever gentleman he is. But I'll tell you this, last year, heart procedure, was definitely taking my time.

I'm not used to the hills and stuff. I'm in Florida, you know? And altitude. So you did make it up.

Mel and Whiskey and Velma did make it up to the waterfall in Battle Creek Canyon there in Pleasant Grove, right? Yep, and the sun was setting and the rocks looked all pretty. It was a great sunset. Hikes, boy scouts.

Like little like cup scouts to there. So it's not that bad. I don't want to say that. It wasn't telling me.

I don't want to say that. Older than both of you. And you're not old. You're trying to hike at altitude with like no air and dryness.

Yeah, I had a pause for breeding. And I didn't think about, I forget about the waterfall now with ghost hunting. I had remembered the waterfall. I would have mentioned something about that.

So Moon, just FYI on the Wisps.org site. There is a page that talks about what you should wear ghost hunting and there's a whole section on you should wear good shoes. And there's a picture of some shoe that someone actually wore on a ghost hunt. Right Raven?

That would be me. I may have worn heels on a ghost hunt once, but they were cute and they matched the Wisps shirt. So just just, just. But let me tell you.

The covers were the same. Yes, they were. Those were fantastic. I have to remember a lot of things.

I have to remember all my, I got two bags of equipment. I had to remember stuff for whiskey with our little biz and lots of stuff. I didn't think about my shoes until we were standing in the dirt. Moon was just thinking photos.

She just wanted to be cute for the photos and she was, she was amazing. All right. So the other investigation we went on was at the clubhouse. We were actually trying to get into a different venue, but that was taking a little longer than we wanted and we actually had to go to that investigation further out than I cared for.

But the clubhouse, we were able to get in there. No problem. They love us. We love them.

It's a fun venue. It's a beautiful venue. And it's huge. There are areas I still haven't had a chance to investigate yet, so we will be going there again eventually.

So I'll just start out with the clubhouse. I had a group of people that bless their hearts. They came clear from, I don't know what you remember, far away. They came from very far away.

Selina. They came from Selina. Selina. Selina and they were family.

I think they were in a journal or something. I think they were in a journal, Selina and a journal, which for context they're easily both two hours away roughly. So maybe two and a half hours up to Salt Lake. So they put some investment into this.

They came up and they had to spend the night. One of them graduated from high school, and so it was kind of like a high school trip for them. So they were in my group and they were so much fun. As far as activity, we had activity but it was pretty tame.

We had a few lights come on. We had a few relevant words come to the ITS machine, but we didn't have anything crazy. So ITC device. What did I say?

ITS. Oh, didn't let me tell you. Thank you for being so much more help than that. The ITC machine spit out a few relevant words.

We did some interesting things with the Dowsing Rods. But it was fun. It was fun. What did you guys experience?

I talked to Aurora. She was on my team and she actually had some fun stuff. Yeah, most definitely. So something about going a second time to a location.

It's almost like the spirits are like, hey again. All right, I know your eye. I'll talk. We had so many relevant words.

I don't know how to express it. We actually had the owners step in at one point, which I'm super thankful for because it was almost the right point at which he came because we got the word royal that came. We honestly didn't think too much of it until he told us that Eliza royal was the founder of the clubhouse and it was extremely relevant. And they believe that she's one of the spirits that haunts there.

But we were getting literally so many relevant words. All of us, like on our ghost tubes and everything. That's just like, I don't know. It's literally like they were just speaking through the devices and just telling us everything.

So a lot of them were either like almost like political type words. And by that, I mean like just like election and those type of things. But you've got to remember so many women's rights to vote, that type of stuff. So many like actual elections where people would go and vote.

The type of things happened there. And then the other weird thing was is we were getting other words that were like very nature-driven. We'd be like river or trees or flowers, literally nature. And then somebody got shapeshifter, which we found interesting.

And so we believe that there is certain native attachments to the land as well. And we almost wonder if that's like the darkness when it comes to the dark energy because people are pouring in feelings of darkness on there. Almost to the point of like potential skinwalkers that used to come through there or the path of the skinwalker potentially is what some of the answers came through for that. Which is creepy but not anything harmful to anybody.

Yeah, it is a great venue with the history there. Like you say, the women's suffrage. And a lot of people think suffrage. That's bad.

And the state of Utah was the first state to allow women to vote. But the women's literary club back in the late 1800s and early 1900s were very involved with that movement. And you would think that there would be the political energy that's around it because of that. A lot of important things for women's rights happened coming right out of that building and that location.

A lot of very positive in the- Especially for the state of Utah. Yeah, for the state of Utah especially I feel like. So we appreciate what those women did. And the state of Utah was the first state to, I think the first state to allow women to vote.

So there are some positive progressive things along there. But you can see at the same time, a lot of the women that would have been in this literary club were more of the secular women in the society. Not so much the women religious women who had their relief society and that kind of thing. They were doing this was more of the secular women's group and club.

And it was very cool, very historic. So just FYI, it was Wyoming that was the first state to let women vote. Cool. So I experienced I was a team with Kristian Huiski and we all crowded up on the room to the right of the stage and we got a lot of like stuff going on there.

I had my deadbell out and the deadbell was going off pretty regularly and not consistently timed. So that's always exciting because if it's not consistently timed, at least with that thing in my opinion, it's more likely to be paranormal. We had cat balls going off. One of the guys in my group, they were on the podcast I think two times ago.

They were standing by a door and the door kept opening on them. So he was not cool with us. He was scooted away from that. But yeah, we were getting some answers with our spirit communication light.

So that was good. So we felt like we were getting good activity up there and then we went upstairs where you can kind of outlook into the stage and different things like that in the big room. And I don't know, we got a little bit of activity, but not as much. And then we went, it was our turn to go in the basement and we were in the dark room the whole time and we did the spirit box, but we were doing the essence method.

So we were getting a lot of stuff and also the guy that was on the podcast. He could hear really well, I'm not one that can hear super well with the SUS method. I don't know if I don't zone out enough or what it is, but he was getting a lot of relevant things. And even as we're conversating, it felt like he was answering some of our questions as we were talking.

And so that was really exciting, but we didn't have a few different kinds of equipment going off. So yeah, we had a good time and hopefully our team had a good time with us. Awesome. And as always, we've only been there twice now.

Yeah, twice. When we investigate, the last time I was there, I had a lot more activity. The activity is going to change a little bit. Sounds like you guys had more activities than I did, but it's still beautiful building and still a lot of great activity.

Also I looked up because I was interested. In 1869, the Wyoming Territory Constitution granted women the right to vote and hold public office. In 1870, the Utah Territory gave full suffrage to women. So, yeah, so you've done a very similar timeframe.

Yes, but Utah gave full suffrage where Wyoming only gave partial. So technically, it would be the first to give. Yeah, and a lot of that happened at the clubhouse. A lot of that just everything, all the events around that happened at that clubhouse.

So super interesting. Very cool. Good, good info. Well, guys, now we're talking about karaoke.

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All right. You guys know what time it is? What time is it? What time is it?

It's moon tells a moon. Okay. So today I just wanted to brush up a little bit and talk about the moon in mya mythology. The moon was almost as important as a sun in ancient mya.

The mine astronomers analyzed and predicted super accurately the moon's movements. So they believed through many Mayan dynasties that people were descended from the moon, sun and planets. Did you have any idea? Oh, I have never heard of that before.

I find that fascinating. Just FYI listeners, Velma and I are sharing a mic so I keep trying to see if she wants to interject. But any way. Yeah.

So my mythology typically is associated the moon with a maiden, an old woman or a rabbit. The moon goddess name was Isch-Cho and she was very powerful and battled the sun and forced him to descend into the underworld every single night. So that's a little bit of Mayan history with the moon. So I found that little fascinating.

That's a lady and a little spooky. Yeah. Yeah. So Velma, what topic do you wish to grace us with today?

Okay. So being that I'm in Salt Lake City, Utah, I miss my cat. Okay. So I found out he's still a little sickly.

So I miss him very much. But I want to talk about it cat's conspiracy theory. So just quick little things keep in mind. What are your thoughts?

So cats are sent by aliens to secretly observe humanity, supposedly. Their pairing are allegedly a signal to their mothership. They have obsession with boxes because they're recharging stations. Those three am zoomies, they're synchronizing with the cosmic orbit and zooming around.

But if they're staring into nothingness, they're scanning alternate dimensions. And then the nine lives, each one stores intel from a different mission. So I don't know, man. Cats they do wild.

Oh, and by the way, when moon did my nails, I have space cats. I live in cats with Saturn. There's cats high-fiving. There's cats made from a constellation.

So we're all vibing here with space and cats and moons and stars. But in the movie, Men in Black, isn't the secrets of the universe on the cat's collar? Is it a cat collar? Yeah, cat's collar.

It was a little dog. It was a cat. But there was a bug that was part of the adventure, but it was a cat collar. The bug got shaken pretty severely.

But yeah, it was the cat of the little alien in the older guy's head. Okay. There was a cat in there somewhere. All right.

I was trying to be relevant, but I failed. The cat's name was Orion. And so the galaxy was on Orion's belt. Oh, okay.

See, I knew there was a cat in there somehow. All right. On that note, keep it creepy friends. Hey, have a good night.

Talk to you guys soon. Bye. Thanks again, guys. You've been listening to the Supernatural Hour at AdvancedArinormal.com.